Cire80:
I pity your teacher. You seem like a special needs student that requires special attention before you understand simple write up. Even after drawing your attention to 'some' and 'almost all' you still go back asking the same thing. do you think Ika is a single Kingdom that was founded the same time? I give up on you

Your Bini brethren gave up on you long time ago...so who am I to give a Bleep on someone who's deficient on a history he claims to know
Am no longer interested in the Ika history you claim to know but its clear you don't
Do you still have the old Ika word list??

laudate:


You did a survey among all the Igalas in Kogi, Benue etc down to the border communities of Enugu & Anambra states, to be able to ascertain this? shocked Please, stop your tales by moonlight....abeg! cheesy

All three tribes were birthed(established) in that location. Unlike the Bini that is a product of migration from Nri.

hammerF:
Dude up North, Igala, Idoma and Igbo share ancestry.

hammerF:
All three tribes were birthed(established) in that location. Unlike the Bini that is a product of migration from Nri.

How interesting! Tales by moonlight!

laudate:



How interesting! Tales by moonlight!

All doubting Thomas, will at the end believe. E go clear 4 una eye once Trump enter and IPOB start.

We told dem Trump will be President but they doubted us, we told them Biafra will be actualised but they think it is a joke.

We told dem that all igbo and igboid groups(SS/SE AND IGALA/IDOMA) will make up Biafra they doubted us.

hammerF:
All doubting Thomas, will at the end believe. E go clear 4 una eye once Trump enter and IPOB start.

We told dem Trump will be President but they doubted us, we told them Biafra will be actualised but they think it is a joke.

We told dem that all igbo and igboid groups(SS/SE AND IGALA/IDOMA) will make up Biafra they doubted us.

Like...seriously??! You believe Igala and Idoma will follow you into your Biafran enclave?? Come, what have you been smoking? You are definitely high on something! Has that Ogbaru girl been whispering some romantic lyrics into your ears, again?

hammerF:


I HOPE U ARE NOT REFERING TO "SLAVE RAIDS" AS RULE OVER. YES, AT SOME POINT ENTIRE SETTLEMENTS WERE CAPTURED, I DONT DISPUTE THAT.

BENIN BECAME POWERFUL IN THE 15TH CENTURY AFTER THE ARRIVAL OF THE PORTUGUESE. YES! NOBODY DISPUTES THAT FACT.

EARLIER, I POINTED OUT THAT BENIN WAS THEN ABLE TO INVADE TERRITORIES TO THE SOUTH, EAST, WEST AND NORTH.

THE BENIN KINGDOM TRADED WITH BOTH THE PORTUGUESE AND THEIR SUBSEQUENT BRITISH REPLACEMENT IN SLAVES AND AGRICULTURE PRODUCE FOR GUNS AND OTHER MANUFACTURED GOODS.

THE HISTORY I AM REFERRING TO IS PRECOLONIAL AND U CAN EVEN TERM THE AGE AS "HUNTER GATHERING", WEN PEOPLE WERE CONSTANTLY MOVING AND SETTLING IN UNINHABITED LAND.

if u want to tell me how people migrated u have tell me first how blacks and white came into beign and were they were at first including ur own race how they came about if not u dont have anytin to profe to me .and about how the benin became strong wasnt only because of the white men they were already civilized before the british came it was thier civiliztion and thier power in west africa that made britsh find them and then in benin according to history all chiefs were soliders i mean all and as u know they were also jazed up have u read how the benis defeated usman danfo dio or the war the war the benis conquered kogi they nevered used gun then but swords bow nd arrow and as well jazzed so the portuguese just did little effort to stimulate thier alreadly made power the portuguese brought guns at thier arrival and thought the benin how to make one and they learnt it but d benin couldnt make gun power thats was thier failure to conqure beyound west africa

gregyboy:


if u want to tell me how people migrated u have tell me first how blacks and white came into beign and were they were at first including ur own race how they came about if not u dont have anytin to profe to me .and about how the benin became strong wasnt only because of the white men they were already civilized before the british came it was thier civiliztion and thier power in west africa that made britsh find them and then in benin according to history all chiefs were soliders i mean all and as u know they were also jazed up have u read how the benis defeated usman danfo dio or the war the war the benis conquered kogi they nevered used gun then but swords bow nd arrow and as well jazzed so the portuguese just did little effort to stimulate thier alreadly made power the portuguese brought guns at thier arrival and thought the benin how to make one and they learnt it but d benin couldnt make gun power thats was thier failure to conqure beyound west africa

ARO CONFEDERACY WERE MORE POWERFUL THAN THE BENIN, SIMILARLY THE OYO AND ASHANTI.

ALL OF DEM, ALONGSIDE THE BINI WERE TRADING SLAVE FOR GUNS.

IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO LOCATION. BINI IS CENTRALLY POSITIONED IN THE SOUTH AND THAT WAS Y THE COLONIALIST CHOOSE THEM TO CONDUCT SLAVE RAIDS IN ALL DIRECTIONS(N,S,W,E)

Ngozi123,(Ngo) how u dey? Notice u haven't said much today.

laudate:


Like...seriously??! You believe Igala and Idoma will follow you into your Biafran enclave?? Come, what have you been smoking? You are definitely high on something! Has that Ogbaru girl been whispering some romantic lyrics into your ears, again?

U are a Toad!

Cire80:
Nri has nothing to do with our Ekumeku war. What concerns Nri and Ekumeku?

That'd lead us to another bout of history which you've shown not to be your forte...can you check up some words for me on that old Ika word list that you've?

hammerF:
U are a Toad!

lol!

hammerF:
Ngozi123,(Ngo) how u dey? Notice u haven't said much today.

I am fine thank you. How about you? I've just been following the thread to see if anything interesting comes up.

cheruv:

Your Bini brethren gave up on you long time ago...so who am I to give a Bleep on someone who's deficient on a history he claims to know
Am no longer interested in the Ika history you claim to know but its clear you don't
Do you still have the old Ika word list??

I would advise everybody to ignore these people. He doesn't know history. So it's you and your brothers that PROPAGATE (in your own words) history that know history?

As for Ekumeku war of the Anioma I have read a lot about it, I've been told a lot about it by people that witnessed it and I personally know the family of some of the commanders of that war and no where have I ever heard of any Nri influence on the war. I'm sure you just propounded this theory from the figment of your imagination. Or did another of your propagators help in propagating this?

ehikwe22:
I would advise everybody to ignore these people. He doesn't know history. So it's you and your brothers that PROPAGATE (in your own words) history that know history?

As for Ekumeku war of the Anioma I have read a lot about it, I've been told a lot about it by people that witnessed it and I personally know the family of some of the commanders of that war and no where have I ever heard of any Nri influence on the war. I'm sure you just propounded this theory from the figment of your imagination. Or did another of your propagators help in propagating this?

ROFLMAO!! Chisos!!

Ngozi123:


I am fine thank you. How about you? I've just been following the thread to see if anything interesting comes up.

Am good dear, it is always nice to hear ur contributions. Did u have a great Sunday?

hammerF:


PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME ON THE BOLDED.

After the Berlin conference of 1884 in which the Brits were awarded the Niger area.... They moved in to consolidate their gains. The Igbo country was of course under their purview so they sent in troops to invade and conquer our country. The first Igbo state to fall casualty was Opobo in 1887...its King was tricked and forced into exile. By 1900 almost all of the princely states in the Igbo country(onicha, abō, oguta) had accepted British suzerainty. The gerontocracies were the next and these were very difficult because unlike the princely states, decision here was made by the oha. Some gerontocracies like Ndoki, Oroata surrendered without a fight, others especially the Eastern Igbos decided to rather die in battle than surrender to the British.
It was in this chaotic state that the princely states of Western Igboland formed an alliance somewhere in present day aniocha in the 1890s and declared war on the British. This war was called "Agha Ekwumekwu" translated literally as the don't talk war or the silent war. They attacked British outposts and assassinated collaborators among themselves. It was during this ekwumekwu war that the British attacked and conquered Idu, exiling its emperor in 1897...when the ishans that were marching out to aid Idu against the British heard the Brits had sacked Benin, they quickly surrendered to the British but the Ikas and the Oru that were allied to them in the Ekwumekwu alliance kept up the war.
The British, thinking that Arochukwu was the capital of the Igbo country attacked the city in 1900. After a series of battles lasting for almost a year and captured the city in 1902. Still the destruction of Arochukwu didn't pacify the Igbo country.... The Brits noticed that they needed to conquer a place like three or four times before they stopped rebelling, moreover the acephalous nature of the Igbo country made things more complicated.
So I don't know how the Brits got to know of the spiritual power of the Eze Nri and then sent soldiers to capture him. As you know,Nri for a thousand years never had an army so they couldn't resist British aggression militarily. Moreover, after his coronation the Eze Nri goes into seclusion and is not seen till he dies and reincarnates in another being. This added an air of mystery around him coupled with the fact he was the one that handled the spirituality of the whole Igbo, Idu and Igala/Idoma countries.
So when the British came to Nri, they forced the Eze Nri to handover his "ofo" and renounce his powers to the British. He refused initially so they brought him out for the people to see.It was said that the people fled when they heard the Eze Nri was coming out bkos he doesn't come out to start with. The Brits then humiliated him and seized the ofo from him..I heard the ofo is still in Britain till now.
After the humiliation of 1911, the Brits noticed that the reoccurring rebellions stopped while the Ezaa of present day Ebonyi who gathered to do battle with the British were so decisively beaten that no two Ezaa warriors could be found together. Sequel to the humiliation of 1911,the Brits started making progress in the silent war, capturing or killing its leaders. By 1914, Anioma resistance had collapsed and the British were then able to amalgamate Nigeria.
So you can see that the conquest lasted from 1887 to 1914 and after the conquest, the British seized all the guns in the Igbo country and burned them all,prohibiting them from carrying arms[I heard that's why till now in Nigeria the govt no matter what doesn't permit citizens to carry guns unlike in other places].
Bro...that's what happened

ehikwe22:
I would advise everybody to ignore these people. He doesn't know history. So it's you and your brothers that PROPAGATE (in your own words) history that know history?

As for Ekumeku war of the Anioma I have read a lot about it, I've been told a lot about it by people that witnessed it and I personally know the family of some of the commanders of that war and no where have I ever heard of any Nri influence on the war. I'm sure you just propounded this theory from the figment of your imagination. Or did another of your propagators help in propagating this?

Enyi am tired of discussing Ika history with him...he doesn't know anything in that regard
My interest is in the Ika word list he talked about... Do you know any old ika terms that might have been Igbonized??
There some terms I'd want to check up on

cheruv:

After the Berlin conference of 1884 in which the Brits were awarded the Niger area.... They moved in to consolidate their gains. The Igbo country was of course under their purview so they sent in troops to invade and conquer our country. The first Igbo state to fall casualty was Opobo in 1887...its King was tricked and forced into exile. By 1900 almost all of the princely states in the Igbo country(onicha, abō, oguta) had accepted British suzerainty. The gerontocracies were the next and these were very difficult because unlike the princely states, decision here was made by the oha. Some gerontocracies like Ndoki, Oroata surrendered without a fight, others especially the Eastern Igbos decided to rather die in battle than surrender to the British.
It was in this chaotic state that the princely states of Western Igboland formed an alliance somewhere in present day aniocha in the 1890s and declared war on the British. This war was called "Agha Ekwumekwu" translated literally as the don't talk war or the silent war. They attacked British outposts and assassinated collaborators among themselves. It was during this ekwumekwu war that the British attacked and conquered Idu, exiling its emperor in 1897...when the ishans that were marching out to aid Idu against the British heard the Brits had sacked Benin, they quickly surrendered to the British but the Ikas and the Oru that were allied to them in the Ekwumekwu alliance kept up the war.
The British, thinking that Arochukwu was the capital of the Igbo country attacked the city in 1900. After a series of battles lasting for almost a year and captured the city in 1902. Still the destruction of Arochukwu didn't pacify the Igbo country.... The Brits noticed that they needed to conquer a place like three or four times before they stopped rebelling, moreover the acephalous nature of the Igbo country made things more complicated.
So I don't know how the Brits got to know of the spiritual power of the Eze Nri and then sent soldiers to capture him. As you know,Nri for a thousand years never had an army so they couldn't resist British aggression militarily. Moreover, after his coronation the Eze Nri goes into seclusion and is not seen till he dies and reincarnates in another being. This added an air of mystery around him coupled with the fact he was the one that handled the spirituality of the whole Igbo, Idu and Igala/Idoma countries.
So when the British came to Nri, they forced the Eze Nri to handover his "ofo" and renounce his powers to the British. He refused initially so they brought him out for the people to see.It was said that the people fled when they heard the Eze Nri was coming out bkos he doesn't come out to start with. The Brits then humiliated him and seized the ofo from him..I heard the ofo is still in Britain till now.
After the humiliation of 1911, the Brits noticed that the reoccurring rebellions stopped while the Ezaa of present day Ebonyi who gathered to do battle with the British were so decisively beaten that no two Ezaa warriors could be found together. Sequel to the humiliation of 1911,the Brits started making progress in the silent war, capturing or killing its leaders. By 1914, Anioma resistance had collapsed and the British were then able to amalgamate Nigeria.
So you can see that the conquest lasted from 1887 to 1914 and after the conquest, the British seized all the guns in the Igbo country and burned them all,prohibiting them from carrying arms[I heard that's why till now in Nigeria the govt no matter what doesn't permit citizens to carry guns unlike in other places].
Bro...that's what happened

now this theorem of Eze Nri being the priest/king of Igbo, Edo and Igala is slowly gaining popularity among the Igbos. Very strange people.

After all you've tried to formulate, I still haven't seen how Nri influences Ekumeku war. Ekumeku war started as a result of Edo and Delta (Benin/Warri/Aboh division) politics of that time

cheruv:

Enyi am tired of discussing Ika history with him...he doesn't know anything in that regard
My interest is in the Ika word list he talked about... Do you know any old ika terms that might have been Igbonized??
There some terms I'd want to check up on

I know of many of such words but I will have to compile them which I'm not sure I have the time to do now.

hammerF:


ARO CONFEDERACY WERE MORE POWERFUL THAN THE BENIN, SIMILARLY THE OYO AND ASHANTI.

ALL OF DEM, ALONGSIDE THE BINI WERE TRADING SLAVE FOR GUNS.

IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO LOCATION. BINI IS CENTRALLY POSITIONED IN THE SOUTH AND THAT WAS Y THE COLONIALIST CHOOSE THEM TO CONDUCT SLAVE RAIDS IN ALL DIRECTIONS(N,S,W,E)

funny,do u wonder y the portuguese sited benin first when they came to nigeria no u dont in nigeria benin was the only place the portuguese visited and the second in west africa after the gold coast i.e ghana now do u wonder they left ghana and just came to benin i will tell u bcus the ghana told tales of how strong the benin empire was i guess u are aware that the portuguese were not only traders but missionaries nw at a time christinity was fading at a time in the world and islam was rising the king in portugal had to send missionaries round the world to spread christinity to place to were it could really make influence in the world at then they sailed to noth america ,south america ,asia,euro africa and as result when the came to west africa they searched for benin so b4 u all start talking in this thread u all gat to research

ehikwe22:
now this theorem of Eze Nri being the priest/king of Igbo, Edo and Igala is slowly gaining popularity among the Igbos. Very strange people.

After all you've tried to formulate, I still haven't seen how Nri influences Ekumeku war. Ekumeku war started as a result of Edo and Delta (Benin/Warri/Aboh division) politics of that time

And whenever Igala traditions & folklore are recited by Igala people themselves, there is no reference as to how Eze Nri or Nri itself, is connected to Igala ancestry or history! Am yet to see an Igala make reference to it! Not even among the Bini/Edo folks, too!

hammerF:


ARO CONFEDERACY WERE MORE POWERFUL THAN THE BENIN, SIMILARLY THE OYO AND ASHANTI.

ALL OF DEM, ALONGSIDE THE BINI WERE TRADING SLAVE FOR GUNS.

IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO LOCATION. BINI IS CENTRALLY POSITIONED IN THE SOUTH AND THAT WAS Y THE COLONIALIST CHOOSE THEM TO CONDUCT SLAVE RAIDS IN ALL DIRECTIONS(N,S,W,E)

what a fuckery there was nothing like oyo empire are u still been fooled

cheruv:

After the Berlin conference of 1884 in which the Brits were awarded the Niger area.... They moved in to consolidate their gains. The Igbo country was of course under their purview so they sent in troops to invade and conquer our country. The first Igbo state to fall casualty was Opobo in 1887...its King was tricked and forced into exile. By 1900 almost all of the princely states in the Igbo country(onicha, abō, oguta) had accepted British suzerainty. The gerontocracies were the next and these were very difficult because unlike the princely states, decision here was made by the oha. Some gerontocracies like Ndoki, Oroata surrendered without a fight, others especially the Eastern Igbos decided to rather die in battle than surrender to the British.
It was in this chaotic state that the princely states of Western Igboland formed an alliance somewhere in present day aniocha in the 1890s and declared war on the British. This war was called "Agha Ekwumekwu" translated literally as the don't talk war or the silent war. They attacked British outposts and assassinated collaborators among themselves. It was during this ekwumekwu war that the British attacked and conquered Idu, exiling its emperor in 1897...when the ishans that were marching out to aid Idu against the British heard the Brits had sacked Benin, they quickly surrendered to the British but the Ikas and the Oru that were allied to them in the Ekwumekwu alliance kept up the war.
The British, thinking that Arochukwu was the capital of the Igbo country attacked the city in 1900. After a series of battles lasting for almost a year and captured the city in 1902. Still the destruction of Arochukwu didn't pacify the Igbo country.... The Brits noticed that they needed to conquer a place like three or four times before they stopped rebelling, moreover the acephalous nature of the Igbo country made things more complicated.
So I don't know how the Brits got to know of the spiritual power of the Eze Nri and then sent soldiers to capture him. As you know,Nri for a thousand years never had an army so they couldn't resist British aggression militarily. Moreover, after his coronation the Eze Nri goes into seclusion and is not seen till he dies and reincarnates in another being. This added an air of mystery around him coupled with the fact he was the one that handled the spirituality of the whole Igbo, Idu and Igala/Idoma countries.
So when the British came to Nri, they forced the Eze Nri to handover his "ofo" and renounce his powers to the British. He refused initially so they brought him out for the people to see.It was said that the people fled when they heard the Eze Nri was coming out bkos he doesn't come out to start with. The Brits then humiliated him and seized the ofo from him..I heard the ofo is still in Britain till now.
After the humiliation of 1911, the Brits noticed that the reoccurring rebellions stopped while the Ezaa of present day Ebonyi who gathered to do battle with the British were so decisively beaten that no two Ezaa warriors could be found together. Sequel to the humiliation of 1911,the Brits started making progress in the silent war, capturing or killing its leaders. By 1914, Anioma resistance had collapsed and the British were then able to amalgamate Nigeria.
So you can see that the conquest lasted from 1887 to 1914 and after the conquest, the British seized all the guns in the Igbo country and burned them all,prohibiting them from carrying arms[I heard that's why till now in Nigeria the govt no matter what doesn't permit citizens to carry guns unlike in other places].
Bro...that's what happened

or u just formulating this story bcus oba ovoramwen died in1914 and now u saying the igbo and british war ended that year and why that year u story looks sucipious and is it benin u regard as idu

gregyboy:


or u just formulating this story bcus oba ovoramwen died in1914 and now u saying the igbo and british war ended that year and why that year u story looks sucipious and is it benin u regard as idu

Ovoramwe Nogbaiši was deposed in 1897...that's the year British attacked and destroyed Idu, and yes Idu is what we call Benin in Igbo. Before then the Western Igbos had already been engaged in a war against the British. Ovoramwe was exiled Calabar(Atakpa in Igbo) and he died there, though I don't remember sha the year he died

You guys should keep up the debate. Its interesting.....@ehikwe22: Why not tell us your own version of the Ekumekwu war? Why do you think Cheruv's version is not correct.

blues20:
You guys should keep up the debate. Its interesting.....@ehikwe22: Why not tell us your own version of the Ekumekwu war? Why do you think Cheruv's version is not correct.

I've noticed that what these Idu people do is claim that i propagate propaganda... Now give us your own version they're all mum
Anyway am tired of discussing Ika history with people who claim to know but they don't...my interest is the Ika wordlist they talked about, if only they can compile it let's see how Ika is been Igbonized

cheruv:

I've noticed that what these Idu people do is claim that i propagate propaganda... Now give us your own version they're all mum
Anyway am tired of discussing Ika history with people who claim to know but they don't...my interest is the Ika wordlist they talked about, if only they can compile it let's see how Ika is been Igbonized

I know about the European Scramble for Africa... but my knowledge on the Ekumekwu war is very shallow. I have come across brief articles on the topic, but they are not in-dept. Do you have any book you can recommend? A digital copy will be fine.
Don' bother about anybody not agreeing with you view... counter view is welcomed. That is what makes the debate healthy.

cheruv:

I've noticed that what these Idu people do is claim that i propagate propaganda... Now give us your own version they're all mum
Anyway am tired of discussing Ika history with people who claim to know but they don't...my interest is the Ika wordlist they talked about, if only they can compile it let's see how Ika is been Igbonized

Yes, all you people do is propound theories that doesn't have any evidence to be up. Ekumeku Movement wasn't a single movement. The only p
Outsiders that played any roles were the Esans and Binis that we shared same province with. Please stop rewriting people's history but cry foul when someone else write about your Igbo history. Isn't that hypocrisy?

hammerF:


Am good dear, it is always nice to hear ur contributions. Did u have a great Sunday?

Yes, thank you. You guys should keep up the debate; there's some interesting theories being discussed here.

Cire80:
Yes, all you people do is propound theories that doesn't have any evidence to be up. Ekumeku Movement wasn't a single movement. The only p
[s]Outsiders that played any roles were the Esans and Binis that we shared same division with[/s]. Please stop rewriting people's history but cry foul when someone else write about your Igbo history. Isn't that hypocrisy?

Its obvious this Bini bias of yours won't allow you to be objective
I've read like three to four sources from different parts of Anioma concerning the Ekumeku war and none of them I mean NONE mentioned any Ishan or Idu town as participant to the war of resistance. The westernmost town of the alliance was Agbor while Onicha Ado was the easternmost town of the ekumeku military alliance. During the war, two British commanders Crewe and Chapman lost their lives at Owa and Ogwanshi Ukwu respectively.
I think you're the one trying to rewrite our history to fit with your Benin bias but thank God the records are there for everyone to see

cheruv:

Its obvious this Bini bias of yours won't allow you to be objective
I've read like three to four sources from different parts of Anioma concerning the Ekumeku war and none of them I mean NONE mentioned any Ishan or Idu town as participant to the war of resistance. The westernmost town of the alliance was Agbor while Onicha Ado was the easternmost town of the ekumeku military alliance. During the war, two British commanders Crewe and Chapman lost their lives at Owa and Ogwanshi Ukwu respectively.
I think you're the one trying to rewrite our history to fit with your Benin bias but thank God the records are there for everyone to see

Bini and Ishan didn't participate in the war but some Bini/Agbor /Owa politics of that era influenced the war. If you know about Anioma history you would understand what I mean. It's obvious you don't know about it so I'll ignore you

Cire80:
Bini and Ishan didn't participate in the war but some Bini/Agbor /Owa politics of that era influenced the war. If you know about Anioma history you would understand what I mean. It's obvious you don't know about it so I'll ignore you

My observation: Your counter is not base on factual records. I don't want to point out the fact that you're a little bit emotional.... Can you present your facts with written records to back your claims?
The Ekumeku war, seems to be the last resistance to British incursion into Southern Nigeria. If the Ishan and Binis influenced the movement, as you claimed, please do justice by presenting facts.