hammerF:



Well, the entire middlebelt is gradually being islamised. The question u ask urself is after that, will their be peace, as it is in the middle east?

The second thing is that, Igbo has more reason not to trust the middle-belt and some SS minorities. The Middle Belt and SS have no reason not to trust the igbos.

As for the fear of uncertainty, once igbo exit with or without the middle-belt and ss, ur matters will get worst, then u guys will understand the true meaning of domination at the hands of the North supported by the South west.

Thirdly, we are not after the middle-belt, we have select those we share culture and religion with and not the entire middle-belt. Yes the Igala and Idoma are the lucky ones. Maybe the Ebira too. I hope they request to join as they are not included.

Fourthly, their is no history of igbo dominating anybody. Actually it is the other way round and a major propaganda used to divide the SE during the Biafra war. The ijaw and middle belt have apologized for their errors and we have forgiven them and even invited two middle belt groups to Biafra.
http://thebridgenetworkonline.com/they-tricked-us-into-fighting-igbos-during-civil-war-middle-belt-group/

I think u igbos are just being selfish or trying to play too smart which will not work.
U cannot just handpick the minority groups you want to go with you to Biafra. It will never work that way. You have go first of all gain some form of regional unity and acceptance through a united system and quality leadership with these minority groups before these minority groups would be able to entrust themselves to you. Nobody would want to jump from the frying pan to the fire.

Do u remember late Maj Gideon Orkar? He was a middlebelter who believed that a united middlebelt and southern Nigeria without the core-north would be a very succesful country and believe me, truly it would have been as we all know that the core-northernerns (hausa-fulani and kanuris) are the ones dragging Nigeria bakckwards in a lot of ways.

If Gideon Orkar's coup had succeeded, be rest assured that hausa-fulanis would have been together with Niger republic by now. Gideon never fought for the middlebelt alone but for both the middlebelt and the south.
A united south and middlebelt is the only cure to hausa-fulani madness and hegemony, believe me. The british empowered these people a lot and as long as they are in Nigeria, getting Biafra will never be possible unless through a very bloody war.

Redbonesmith1:


I tried posting links to two articles. Spambot hid my post and banned me. If you still want to see the articles, it has to be by e-mail as Spambot seems to have a problem with me posting links.

You want one word? I'll give you dozens.

1. Two is eji in both languages.
2. Three is eta in both languages.
3. Six is efa in both languages.
4. Eight is ejo in both languages.
8. In-law is ana in both languages.
12. Ear is eti in both languages
14. Hand is owo in Yoruba and Igala
17. Urine is ito in both languages
20. Water is Omi in both languages.
21. Day is ojo in both languages.
25. Flower is ododo in both languages.
26. Farm is oko in both languages.
28. Snake is ejo in both languages.
30. He-goat is obuko in both languages.
31. Fish is eja in both languages.
33. Oil is ekpo in both languages.
34. Kolanut is obi in both languages.
37. Boat is oko in both languages.
38. Hunger is ebi in both languages.
39. Shadow is ojiji in both languages.

The list doesn't end! You should have known this if you had 'researched' as you said.

IANSWEET ABEG CONFIRM THAT THIS IS CORRECT.

@Redbonesmith1, SO 4 UR MIND BECOS OF THESE FEW SIMILAR WORDS IGALA NOW SOUND YORUBA?

MY ADVICE TO U, IS TO ACTUALLY GO ON YOUTUBE AND LISTEN TO WAT IGALA ACTUALLY SOUNDS LIKE.

THEN LISTEN TO YORUBA.

ianSweet:


I think u igbos are just being selfish or trying to play too smart which will not work.
U cannot just handpick the minority groups you want to go with you to Biafra. It will never work that way. You have go first of all gain some form of regional unity and acceptance through a united system and quality leadership with these minority groups before these minority groups would be able to entrust themselves to you. Nobody would want to jump from the frying pan to the fire.

Do u remember late Maj Gideon Orkar? He was a middlebelter who believed that a united middlebelt and southern Nigeria without the core-north would be a very succesful country and believe me, truly it would have been as we all know that the core-northernerns (hausa-fulani and kanuris) are the ones dragging Nigeria bakckwards in a lot of ways.

If Gideon Orkar's coup had succeeded, be rest assured that hausa-fulanis would have been together with Niger republic by now. Gideon never fought for the middlebelt alone but for both the middlebelt and the south.
A united south and middlebelt is the only cure to hausa-fulani madness and hegemony, believe me. The british empowered these people a lot and as long as they are in Nigeria, getting Biafra will never be possible unless through a very bloody war.

MIND U THEIR IS NO MIDDLE-BELT AS FAR AS THE AREWA ARE CONCERNED. JUST SAYING...

BESIDES, YORUBAS ARE GOING WITH THE HAUSAFULANI, WE DONT WANT SABOTEURS...

hammerF:


IANSWEET ABEG CONFIRM THAT THIS IS CORRECT.

@Redbonesmith1, SO 4 UR MIND BECOS OF THESE FEW SIMILAR WORDS IGALA NOW SOUND YORUBA?

MY ADVICE TO U IS TO ACTUALLY GO ON YOUTUBE AND LISTEN TO WAT IGALA ACTUALLY SOUNDS LIKE.

THEN LISTEN TO YORUBA.

Boy, go and rest. You asked for a word. One word. I gave you over 40. You come back and say it is few. Do you want a dictionary? Go online or to a freaking library and read about how West African languages are classified, and the constituent languages in the Yoruboid language cluster. In the 21st century, no enlightened Nigerian should still be questioning whether Igala is Yoruboid or not.

Redbonesmith1:


Boy, go and rest. You asked for a word. One word. I gave you over 40. You come back and say it is few. Do you want a dictionary? Go online or to a freaking library and read about how West African languages are classified, and the constituent languages in the Yoruboid language cluster. In the 21st century, no enlightened Nigerian should still be questioning whether Igala is Yoruboid or not.

WELL, SORRY TO DISAPPOINT U, I AM QUESTIONING THAT CLAIM TO THE LATTER.

WE HAVE SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES WITH IGBO AND BINI, BUT U DONT HEAR ANYBODY CALL BINI AN IGBOID LANGUAGE DO U?

I INSIST THAT U GO ON YOUTUBE AND LISTEN TO IGALA SPEAKERS AND THEN LISTEN TO YORUBA.

I UNDERSTAND YORUBA AND COULD NOT HEAR A SINGLE WORD IN IGALA. IGALA SOUDS MORE SIMILAR WITH IDOMA.

WAT U DID WITH IGALA LANGUAGE AND YORUBA, COULD BE REPEATED WITH IGBO AND YORUBA.

THERE ARE MANY WORDS IN BOTH LANGUAGES THAT ARE THE SAME.

HERE IS JUST A FEW.

English: Ear
Yoruba: Eti
Igbo: Ntị


English: Nose
Yoruba: imú
Igbo: Imi

English: Stone
Yoruba: Okuta
Igbo: Okute

English: Amen
Yoruba: Ase
Igbo: Ise

English: A Twin
Yoruba: Ejire
Igbo: Ejime/Ejima

English: What
Yoruba: Kini
Igbo: Gini

English: He/she said
Yoruba: Oso
Igbo: Osi

hammerF:
WAT U DID WITH IGALA LANGUAGE AND YORUBA, COULD BE REPEATED WITH IGBO AND YORUBA.

THERE ARE MANY WORDS IN BOTH LANGUAGES THAT ARE THE SAME.

HERE IS JUST A FEW.

English: Ear
Yoruba: Eti
Igbo: Ntị


English: Nose
Yoruba: imú
Igbo: Imi

English: Stone
Yoruba: Okuta
Igbo: Okute

English: Amen
Yoruba: Ase
Igbo: Ise

English: A Twin
Yoruba: Ejire
Igbo: Ejime/Ejima

English: What
Yoruba: Kini
Igbo: Gini

English: He/she said
Yoruba: Oso
Igbo: Osi

I feel like telling you how Yoruboid-Edoid-Igboid are related languages, which are in turn related to Nupoid-Oko-Idomoid, but I know I will be wasting my time because, clearly you do not know anything in the field of African linguistics.

Yoruba's relatedness to Igala (a Yoruboid language) is much more closer than its relatedness to Igbo (a non-Yoruboid language). Just like Bini's relatedness to Urhobo (an Edoid language) is much more closer than its relatedness to Igbo (a non-Edoid language). On a more removed plane, all these languages are ultimately distantly related.

Do you understand this simple explanation?

ianSweet:


I think u igbos are just being selfish or trying to play too smart which will not work.
U cannot just handpick the minority groups you want to go with you to Biafra. It will never work that way. You have go first of all gain some form of regional unity and acceptance through a united system and quality leadership with these minority groups before these minority groups would be able to entrust themselves to you. Nobody would want to jump from the frying pan to the fire.

Do u remember late Maj Gideon Orkar? He was a middlebelter who believed that a united middlebelt and southern Nigeria without the core-north would be a very succesful country and believe me, truly it would have been as we all know that the core-northernerns (hausa-fulani and kanuris) are the ones dragging Nigeria bakckwards in a lot of ways.

If Gideon Orkar's coup had succeeded, be rest assured that hausa-fulanis would have been together with Niger republic by now. Gideon never fought for the middlebelt alone but for both the middlebelt and the south.
A united south and middlebelt is the only cure to hausa-fulani madness and hegemony, believe me. The british empowered these people a lot and as long as they are in Nigeria, getting Biafra will never be possible unless through a very bloody war.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM, EVERYBODY SCARED OF IGBOS, BUT DID THE THOUGHT EVER CROSS UR MINDS THAT U GUYS HAVE GIVEN IGBOS MORE REASON TO BE SCARED OF THE LOT OF YOU?

U THINK IGBOS WILL RISK FURTHER ASSOCIATION WITH YORUBAS AFTER WAT THEY DID IN BIAFRA AND GEJ? EVEN THE MIDDLE-BELT, U THINK IGBOS WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE COUNTRY WITH GOWON PEOPLE AND DANJUMA PEOPLE?

WE ARE MORE SCARED OF THE LOT OF U THAN U ACTUAL THINK. THAT IS Y WE HAVE SELECTED A HANDFUL THAT ARE OUR NEIGHBOR AND SHARE CULTURES WITH US. THEY DECIDE WHETHER TO JOIN OR NOT, IT IS NOT MANDATORY.

WITHOUT BIAFRA WAR, NNAMDI AZIKIWE AGREED TO GIVE SADAUNA (AHMADU BELLO) A MAJORITY IN PARLIAMENT, SO THEY CAN AGREE TO BE NIGERIANS. WE ALL KNOW, HOW THAT TURNED OUT. TODAY, IGBOS ARE NOT PREPARED TO TAKE SUCH RISKS AGAIN, WE TOO DEY FEAR.

Redbonesmith1:


I tried posting links to two articles. Spambot hid my post and banned me. If you still want to see the articles, it has to be by e-mail as Spambot seems to have a problem with me posting links.

You want one word? I'll give you dozens.

1. Two is eji in both languages.
2. Three is eta in both languages.
3. Six is efa in both languages.
4. Eight is ejo in both languages.
5. Ten is ewa and egwa in Yoruba and Igala respectively.
6. Mother is iya/iye in Yoruba/Igala.
7. Child is omo/oma in Yoruba/Igala
8. In-law is ana in both languages.
9. Face is oju/eju in Yoruba/Igala.
10. Eye is oju/eju in Yoruba/Igala
11. Nose is imu/imo in Yoruba/Igala
12. Ear is eti in both languages
13. Tooth is eyi/ehi in Yoruba and enyi in Igala.
14. Hand is owo in Yoruba and Igala
15. Shoulder is ojika in Yoruba and ejika in Igala
16. Liver is edo in Yoruba and odo in Igala
17. Urine is ito in both languages
18. King is Olu in Yoruba and Onu in Igala
19. Friend is Oluku in some Eastern Yoruba dialects and Onukwu in Igala
20. Water is Omi in both languages.
21. Day is ojo in both languages.
22. Evening is ale in Yoruba and ane in Igala.
23. Year is Odu in Yoruba and odo in Igala.
24. Fire is ina in Yoruba and una in Igala.
25. Flower is ododo in both languages.
26. Farm is oko in both languages.
27. Crocodile is oni in Yoruba and onyi in Igala
28. Snake is ejo in both languages.
29. Frog is akere in Yoruba and akele in Igala
30. He-goat is obuko in both languages.
31. Fish is eja in both languages.
32. Palm-oil is okpe in Yoruba and ekpe in Igala.
33. Oil is ekpo in both languages.
34. Kolanut is obi in both languages.
35. Corpse is oku in Yoruba and okwu in Igala
36. Cough is iko in Yoruba and uko in Igala
36. Market is oja in Yoruba and aja in Igala
37. Boat is oko in both languages.
38. Hunger is ebi in both languages.
39. Shadow is ojiji in both languages.
40. White is fufu in Yoruba and efufu in Igala.
41. Black is dudu in Yoruba and edudu in Igala.
42. Red is kpukpa in Yoruba and ekpikpa in Igala
43. Smaller is kekere in Yoruba and kekele in Igala


The list doesn't end! You should have known this if you had 'researched' as you said.

Most of these words are correct.
Igalas share many words in common with yoruba but we also share so many words in common with the igbos too and the shift is gradual. The more southern u go in Igala, the more igbo the words become due to our boundary with Igbos.
I am not so fluent with igala because i grew up in the north speaking more of hausa but i can also make a very long list of similar igbo and igala words.

Do u know that we southern igalas (Ibaji people) are called ORLU? because we are riverine people and this is exactly the name for riverine Igbos.
Igala and igbos share the same market days with exactly the same names for instance.

Abacha is Cassava in Igala/Igbo
Osikapa is rice in igala/igbo
Oko, Okoro/Okolo is same in Igala/Igbo
Akpati is box in igala/Igbo
Ajogwu is warrior in both igala/igbo
Atama is used as chief priest in both lang
Achadu/Asadu means same thing in both lang

Infact if u compare Igala and Enugu dialects of Igbo especially, the similarities in words are innumerable. Not to talk of similarities in names with Igbos. Most igala names sound igbo, however many also sound like Yoruba too.
In terms of language, Igala sounds more like yoruba but as u shift into southern igala, it starts sounding more like Igbo, by the time u enter Anambra/Enugu and hear Igala speakers there it is almopst sounding like Igbo and infact most igalas there are becoming Igbonized.
In terms of culture, Igbo and igala share so much similarities, infact u may not be able to differentiate Nsukka igbos and Igalas, the masquerades we use are almost the same.

The truth is that Igalas are the connectors (bridge) between yoruba and Igbo cultures and languages and should be appreciated by both, we shared boundary with both yorubas and Igbos for centuries until the Igbirras came and cut us off with the yorubas. That is why u see that Egbirras do not have much in common with yorubas except in clothes.

Redbonesmith1:


I feel like telling you how Yoruboid-Edoid-Igboid are related languages, which are in turn related to Nupoid-Oko-Idomoid, but I know I will be wasting my time because, clearly you do not know anything in the field of African linguistics.

Yoruba's relatedness to Igala (a Yoruboid language) is much more closer than its relatedness to Igbo (a non-Yoruboid language). Just like Bini's relatedness to Urhobo (an Edoid language) is much more closer than its relatedness to Igbo (a non-Edoid language). On a more removed plane, all these languages are ultimately distantly related.

Do you understand this simple explanation?

BRO, I KNOW WE ARE RELATED TO YORUBA AND THE MIDDLE-BELT, BUT THE WAY THEY HAVE TREATED US, IS NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT.

THAT IS Y WE WILL BE DISTANT COUSINS AFTER NIGERIA. IGBOS NO GO EVER AGREE TO JOIN COUNTRY WITH YORUBA. WE WILL BE TWO PARALLEL LINES THAT WILL NEVER MEET.

AS FOR THE MIDDLE-BELT WE WILL HELP LIBERATE THEM FROM HAUSA-FULANI BUT THEY MUST BE ON THEIR OWN. WE MIGHT HAVE FORGIVEN THEM BUT WE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN WAT THEY DID. PARTICULARLY THE MILITARY MEN AMONGST THEM THAT HELD OFFICE OF INFLUENCE DURINGTHE BIAFRA WAR.

THE IGALA AND IDOMA ARE A DIFFERENT CASE, PEOPLE ALWAYS FORGIVE THEIR BROTHER. EVEN IF HE KILL U.

hammerF:


MIND U THEIR IS NO MIDDLE-BELT AS FAR AS THE AREWA ARE CONCERNED. JUST SAYING...

BESIDES, YORUBAS ARE GOING WITH THE HAUSAFULANI, WE DONT WANT SABOTEURS...

Even the so called geo-political zones are not constitutional, it was something started by Babangida which Nigeria is now overblowing. Check our constitution, no geo-political zones.
Middlebelt is just ethnically diverse just like Niger delta and that is why it is difficult for all the ethnic groups to fully unite under a common voice.

You cannot fight a powerful force without joining forces. Even among u Igbos, there will be saboteurs.

ianSweet:


Most of these words are correct.
Igalas share many words in common with yoruba but we also share so many words in common with the igbos too and the shift is gradual. The more southern u go in Igala, the more igbo the words become due to our boundary with Igbos.
I am not so fluent with igala because i grew up in the north speaking more of hausa but i can also make a very long list of similar igbo and igala words.

Do u know that we southern igalas (Ibaji people) are called ORLU? because we are riverine people and this is exactly the name for riverine Igbos.
Igala and igbos share the same market days with exactly the same names for instance.

Abacha is Cassava in Igala/Igbo
Osikapa is rice in igala/igbo
Oko, Okoro/Okolo is same in Igala/Igbo
Akpati is box in igala/Igbo
Ajogwu is warrior in both igala/igbo
Atama is used as chief priest in both lang
Achadu/Asadu means same thing in both lang

Infact if u compare Igala and Enugu dialects of Igbo especially, the similarities in words are innumerable. Not to talk of similarities in names with Igbos. Most igala names sound igbo, however many also sound like Yoruba too.
In terms of language, Igala sounds more like yoruba but as u shift into southern igala, it starts sounding more like Igbo, by the time u enter Anambra/Enugu and hear Igala speakers there it is almopst sounding like Igbo and infact most igalas there are becoming Igbonized.
In terms of culture, Igbo and igala share so much similarities, infact u may not be able to differentiate Nsukka igbos and Igalas, the masquerades we use are almost the same.

The truth is that Igalas are the connectors (bridge) between yoruba and Igbo cultures and languages and should be appreciated by both, we shared boundary with both yorubas and Igbos for centuries until the Igbirras came and cut us off with the yorubas. That is why u see that Egbirras do not have much in common with yorubas except in clothes.

Sis, I do not dispute anything you have said. Igala no longer shares geographical continuity with Yorubaland. They have been in direct contact more with Igbo and Idoma than with Yoruba for many centuries. As a result, their language has been undergoing modification under Igbo and Idoma exposure. I am aware of many words shared in common with the Igbos, especially the Igalas of Ibaji area. I also know that in Aguleri, they call Ibaji Olu people. Ibaji and Aguleri are in fact, practically kin.

So i am in no way denying southern Igala's connection with Igbo. Despite this, the overall structure of Igala language is basically Yoruboid.

Attama and Asadu are not Igbo words. Nsukka people borrowed it from Igala. You will not find them outside Nsukka area. Igala and Igbo borrowed or corrupted osikapa from Hausa shinkafa. But I do get your point. I don't dispute the main premise of your write-up.

blues20:

The dude is a confused jack. He keeps going back and fort without definite direction or position. Its a known fact that the Aniomas are western Igbos that got mix up with Benin, Igala and even Yoruba migrant, the case of Ogbodu - Olukumi - comes to mind. I once met an Ogodu guy in Awka sometime last year on project. He told me clearly his people migrated from Ondo, but are currently in Delta like century ago. He is bilingual, both in his native Delta Igbo and the very distant Yoruba he speaks. So you could see that this guys retain their language and also adopted the Igbo language because of lasting interaction.
In conclusion, you can succinctly say that Anioma is mixture of different ethnic group, but with Igbos having the majority due early migration patter and aboriginal right. The Igbos were already well settled in Western Side of the Niger before this new wave of migrant from the West trouped in. This is why the Igbo language, culture, names and tradition prevailed over the rest, because onye we' ali is a complete diali.
This is my opinion.

I got him

ianSweet:


Most of these words are correct.
Igalas share many words in common with yoruba but we also share so many words in common with the igbos too and the shift is gradual. The more southern u go in Igala, the more igbo the words become due to our boundary with Igbos.
I am not so fluent with igala because i grew up in the north speaking more of hausa but i can also make a very long list of similar igbo and igala words.

Do u know that we southern igalas (Ibaji people) are called ORLU? because we are riverine people and this is exactly the name for riverine Igbos.
Igala and igbos share the same market days with exactly the same names for instance.

Abacha is Cassava in Igala/Igbo
Osikapa is rice in igala/igbo
Oko, Okoro/Okolo is same in Igala/Igbo
Akpati is box in igala/Igbo
Ajogwu is warrior in both igala/igbo
Atama is used as chief priest in both lang
Achadu/Asadu means same thing in both lang

Infact if u compare Igala and Enugu dialects of Igbo especially, the similarities in words are innumerable. Not to talk of similarities in names with Igbos. Most igala names sound igbo, however many also sound like Yoruba too.
In terms of language, Igala sounds more like yoruba but as u shift into southern igala, it starts sounding more like Igbo, by the time u enter Anambra/Enugu and hear Igala speakers there it is almopst sounding like Igbo and infact most igalas there are becoming Igbonized.
In terms of culture, Igbo and igala share so much similarities, infact u may not be able to differentiate Nsukka igbos and Igalas, the masquerades we use are almost the same.

The truth is that Igalas are the connectors (bridge) between yoruba and Igbo cultures and languages and should be appreciated by both, we shared boundary with both yorubas and Igbos for centuries until the Igbirras came and cut us off with the yorubas. That is why u see that Egbirras do not have much in common with yorubas except in clothes.

Nice analysis

Lets all of us quit this argument its 37 page alreay abeg

hammerF:


THIS IS THE PROBLEM, EVERYBODY SCARED OF IGBOS, BUT DID THE THOUGHT EVER CROSS UR MINDS THAT U GUYS HAVE GIVEN IGBOS MORE REASON TO BE SCARED OF THE LOT OF YOU?

U THINK IGBOS WILL RISK FURTHER ASSOCIATION WITH YORUBAS AFTER WAT THEY DID IN BIAFRA AND GEJ? EVEN THE MIDDLE-BELT, U THINK IGBOS WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE COUNTRY WITH GOWON PEOPLE AND DANJUMA PEOPLE?

WE ARE MORE SCARED OF THE LOT OF U THAN U ACTUAL THINK. THAT IS Y WE HAVE SELECTED A HANDFUL THAT ARE OUR NEIGHBOR AND SHARE CULTURES WITH US. THEY DECIDE WHETHER TO JOIN OR NOT, IT IS NOT MANDATORY.

WITHOUT BIAFRA WAR, NNAMDI AZIKIWE AGREED TO GIVE SADAUNA (AHMADU BELLO) A MAJORITY IN PARLIAMENT, SO THEY CAN AGREE TO BE NIGERIANS. WE ALL KNOW, HOW THAT TURNED OUT. TODAY, IGBOS ARE NOT PREPARED TO TAKE SUCH RISKS AGAIN, WE TOO DEY FEAR.

Well, goodluck, but be rest assured that it would be an impossible task.

Redbonesmith1:


Sis, I do not dispute anything you have said. Igala no longer shares geographical continuity with Yorubaland. They have been in direct contact more with Igbo and Idoma than with Yoruba for many centuries. As a result, their language has been undergoing modification under Igbo and Idoma exposure. I am aware of many words shared in common with the Igbos, especially the Igalas of Ibaji area. I also know that in Aguleri, they call Ibaji Olu people. Ibaji and Aguleri are in fact, practically kin.

So i am in no way denying southern Igala's connection with Igbo. Despite this, the overall structure of Igala language is basically Yoruboid.

Attama and Asadu are not Igbo words. Nsukka people borrowed it from Igala. You will not find them outside Nsukka area. Igala and Igbo borrowed or corrupted osikapa from Hausa shinkafa. But I do get your point. I don't dispute the main premise of your write-up.

Hmm, you really know so much about both igalas and igbos. Are u igbo?

gerg:
90% of Anioma migratory stories traces their origin to Bini. All your talks of aborigine is mere speculation and concoction. I never seen anybody bring out solid prove to igbo aborigines in Anioma area. All the oldest Anioma kingdoms said they came from Bini. So you want to tell me Anioma people don't know where their founders come from?

Where do you get your 90% statistic from Mr Man

ianSweet:


Hmm, you really know so much about both igalas and igbos. Are u igbo?

Illah. Delta State. My people claim dual origin - Igbo and Igala. You can call me Igbo, i really don't mind.

blues20:

Where do you get your 90% statistic from Mr Man

I'm Anioma and I know the history of my people. 90% Anioma generally and 99% in Ika axis. GIve me your own statistics.

gerg:

I'm Anioma and I know the history of my people. 90% Anioma generally and 99% in Ika axis. GIve me your own statistics.

Why should I? I'm not from that axis of the country. But I'll take you serious if you can engage Osita Mordi in a debate on this issue. You can join their group "Proudly Anioma, Proudly Igbo" on Facebook. Mind you, Osita Mordi is an Ika fellow.
As for the time being, I'll take your statistic as mere exaggeration.
This is a faceless forum; anybody can claim anything.

Redbonesmith1:


Illah. Delta State. My people claim dual origin - Igbo and Igala. You can call me Igbo, i really don't mind.

Are you from Ebu?

blues20:

Are you from Ebu?

I just mentioned my community up there. Illah

Redbonesmith1:


I just mentioned my community up there. Illah

Oh, my apology, please. This solidify my position on the fact that Delta Igbos are migrant from different direction, but Igbos having the upper hand because of proximity, early aboriginal movement and population. So, ibu diali.

blues20:

Oh, my apology, please. This solidify my position on the fact that Delta Igbos are migrant from different direction, but Igbos having the upper hand because of proximity, early aboriginal movement and population. So, ibu diali.

there's no aboriginal movement by the Igbo in Anioma. If there is any upper hand, it's population. Igbos population and influence is far far higher than Edo's and Igala's put together. And Igbos are known for exporting their language and culture wherever they go. And colonialism, Christianity and music, movies have a role to play.

blues20:

Oh, my apology, please. This solidify my position on the fact that Delta Igbos are migrant from different direction, but Igbos having the upper hand because of proximity, early aboriginal movement and population. So, ibu diali.

Actually, Illah's name is from the Igala word is Alla, which means temporary settlement. Probably because it was originally a stop-over post for Igalas travelling up and down the river. The fact that the name of the town is Igala indicates that Igalas were there first. Igbo elements came later.

ianSweet:


Well, goodluck, but be rest assured that it would be an impossible task.

The people that should be more concerned are those left behind. Everything they fear would happen to dem.

Igbo was once like them, very trusting and we paid the price heavily, now we are wiser.

U urself said the middle belt is chaos of many small groups that are not united. We want to avoid that.

The yorubas, we would have loved to share country with, if for nothing, at least our properties in Lagos.

But experience have taught us that is a bad idea, we will sacrifice Lagos for the stability we will gain in the long run.

Mind u, there are also negotiation to bring in Southwest Cameroon into Biafra, they also want to leave Cameroon.

There will be more than enough groups to balance Igbo population. We will have written agreement in our constitution on power rotation and also laws to protect minority languages. Unless u have other group in middlebelt u cannot do without. (Ebira are welcomed but they should ask.)

I dont know wat u lot are scared of, becos our intentions are good, not bad.

Cire80:
there's no aboriginal movement by the Igbo in Anioma. If there is any upper hand, it's population. Igbos population and influence is far far higher than Edo's and Igala's put together. And Igbos are known for exporting their language and culture wherever they go. And colonialism, Christianity and music, movies have a role to play.

You, ehn, you talk like a sissy sometimes... what makes you think Igbos are not aborigine to places like Asaba, Onistha, Oshimili and the rest, before the arrival of other group? Have you read the narrative of Oluada Equino..... researchers have drawn conclusion, that he was actually from Western Igbo. He made references to Idu influences on his people and other practices that are prevalent in places like Ndokwa of today.
Don't forget that Oluada referred himself as an Igbo in his write-up.
This was before anything like Nigeria came into existence.

blues20:

You, ehn, you talk like a sissy sometimes... what makes you think Igbos are not aborigine to places like Asaba, Onistha, Oshimili and the rest, before the arrival of other group? Have you read the narrative of Oluada Equino..... researchers have drawn conclusion, that he was actually from Western Igbo. He made references to Idu influences on his people and other practices that are prevalent in places like Ndokwa of today.
Don't forget that Oluada referred himself as an Igbo in his write-up.
This was before anything like Nigeria came into existence.

Asaba was founded by Igala, Onitsha was by Bini, there is no place like Oshimili, many towns in Oshimili say they're from Bini and most of the Ndokwas say they're from Bini and other Bendel groups including Esan, Urhobo/Isoko, Ijaw, and Anioma areas.

As for Oludua of a guy, nobody knows where he's from. I even read a debate by Osita Mordi and some Igbos where they were analysing this topic. Many of the things he wrote about didn't add up. If you're vast in Igbo history you'll understand what I mean. He was too young to have known most of the things he wrote about.

And Oludua never called himself Igbo. He said he was Ebo. If actually he is Aboh, then Aboh is what he meant by Eboh because the real name of Aboh is Eboh. The name is still in use in the Ndokwa Ukwani area till date

Cire80:
Asaba was founded by Igala, Onitsha was by Bini, there is no place like Oshimili, many towns in Oshimili say they're from Bini and most of the Ndokwas say they're from Bini and other Bendel groups including Esan, Urhobo/Isoko, Ijaw, and Anioma areas.

As for Oludua of a guy, nobody knows where he's from. I even read a debate by Osita Mordi and some Igbos where they were analysing this topic. Many of the things he wrote about didn't add up. If you're vast in Igbo history you'll understand what I mean. He was too young to have known most of the things he wrote about.

And Oludua never called himself Igbo. He said he was Ebo. If actually he is Aboh, then Aboh is what he meant by Eboh because the real name of Aboh is Eboh. The name is still in use in the Ndokwa Ukwani area till date

Dude, your own version of history ehn, I wonder where you are pulling 'em out from. Eboh is the old way of spelling Igbo. This just metamorphosis of words over time. So if Oluada is not Igbo, why did he mention ichi marks wore by the nri nobility? Why do you guys like twisting history just to suit your political purpose?
And how do you mean Asaba and Onitsha was founded by the Binis and Igalas? Please, forward your historical record and let see. Not those stupid folklore story you deceive yourselves with.

blues20:

Dude, your own version of history ehn, I wonder where you are pulling 'em out from. Eboh is the old way of spelling Igbo. This just metamorphosis of words over time. So if Oluada is not Igbo, why did he mention ichi marks wore by the nri nobility? Why do you guys like twisting history just to suit your political purpose?

read and balance my comment. Igbos concluded that Eboh was the old way of spelling Igbo because of Equano's book but they may be wrong or right. I don't know if there's any other proof of that being the old way of spelling Igbo. But I can tell you categorically that Eboh is the right spelling of Aboh. That's how the Ukwanis and surrounding areas pronounce it. Reason some people are of the opinion that the Ebo he talked about was Aboh and not Igbo.

But as for the Ichi marks, that's one of the reason some scholars said he's not from Aboh because many of the things he wrote about don't t exist in Aboh. Some ascribe different origins to him and me that knows little about the subject find it hard to know which version to go for because all of them have valid points. Now you see how confusing it all is? So don't try to use this as a valid argument of Anioma Igboness. He never called himself Igbo. That's just my point

Cire80:


read and balance my comment. Igbos concluded that Eboh was the old way of spelling Igbo because of Equano's book but they may be wrong or right. I don't know if there's any other proof of that being the old way of spelling Igbo. But I can tell you categorically that Eboh is the right spelling of Aboh. That's how the Ukwanis and surrounding areas pronounce it. Reason some people are of the opinion that the Ebo he talked about was Aboh and not Igbo.

But as for the Ichi marks, that's one of the reason some scholars said he's not from Aboh because many of the things he wrote about don't t exist in Aboh. Some ascribe different origins to him and me that knows little about the subject find it hard to know which version to go for because all of them have valid points. Now you see how confusing it all is? So don't try to use this as a valid argument of Anioma Igboness. He never called himself Igbo. That's just my point

I just modified my response to you.... can you throw more light on the founding of Onitsha and Asaba by the Binis and Igala. Please, use historical records, not tales by moonlight.

Could be that Oluadah is Igbo from the Western part of the Niger with knowledge on the Inri culture.