dalaman:


Its always up to the person making the claim to prove his case. We know that people tell lies all the time. How can you make an extraordinary claim and then run away from it when asked to prove it? Refusing to give further information that will verify the authenticity of his claims simply means he is lying. If he isn't lying he will prove his point.

ilynem:

Following the actions of "Nigerian Christians" isn't Christianity. Following Christ is Christianity. If u can't fault Jesus teaches, you can't fault Christianity. How is loving your God and loving your neighbor as yourself bad for the society?

dalaman:


Because he didn't give further information doesn't mean he is lying. We can also apply your own principle here.

dalaman:


Its not a hasty generalization. It's something that is well documented. The NBC told pastors to make sure they come with verifiable proof of any miracle claim before it will be aired on national TV. Since then no televangelist has come forward and the broad cast of miracles stopped on national TV. That means that all.of there were making it up.

KingEbukasBlog:


That's a fallacy .

There are a thousand and one reasons why one could refuse to give out information about something . It does not mean he is lying . Let me give you a simple example .


Dalaman : Son , did you go for lectures today ?

Son : ***keeps quiet***

Dalaman : Did you ?

Son : ***Remains silent***

Dalaman : I know you didn't go to school , if you had gone to school , you would have responded .

The conclusion right there is false because his son was silent . Its a common fallacy we make in our everyday convos with people so I understand why you have to refused to change your view

See snippet below :

RR2J:



Sure belief, faith and being without sin doesn't guarantee (2 corinthians 12-7-10)... even the scripture never states that jesus healed everyone who was ever brought to him during his lifetime.... btw there isnt only one God i'd say, judging from the beliefs that accompanies it.

dalaman:


We are talking about a real situation not a hypothetical one. If I ask my son if he goes to school. He will answer. He won't keep quiet. So your analogy has failed. It's silly and of no use to me and any reasonable person.

In the case of your man he said he raised a peon from the dead, when asked he said he doesn't want to reveal the person's identity because it's a private matter. If it's private why bring it up in the first place? When pressed he kept bringing diffrent excuses.

It's the same thing you are trying to do here. You just made up some story out of your head involving a nameless person with a nameless lab and you are trying to use it to promote your religion. You even said no body has refuted it. How can we refute lies you just made up?

KingEbukasBlog:


I hope you realize you are not making any sense . An argument from silence still stands : Its illogical to draw a conclusion based on the silence of the opponent, when the opponent is refusing to give evidence for any reason.

A fallacy remains a fallacy whether you like it or not

There is no proof anyone is lying in the first place . Its your own conclusion which is illogical .

KingEbukasBlog:


Placebo effects don't work on everyone and the results are ephemeral - the pain or whatever will always come back again . So stop appealing to placebo when you don't understand how it works.

Pidgin2:


Lord have mercy, your case is serious

randomperson:

Well.. Those claims are still unverified. His silence notwithstanding

KingEbukasBlog:


How does viewing a website grant you healing ?

Anyway , I shared this testimony here not too long ago and no one was able to disprove it . I observed that you are skilled at questioning miracles but not the non existent evidence of Mark Zuckerberg's atheism or of an eternal universe so this is your shtick -impugning testimonies- I guess . Here is the testimony :

Lennycool:

What do you mean?
I just explained why pascals wager makes no sense

Lennycool:

Are you saying God could only take away the pain without healing the scar. Does God have limits now

KingEbukasBlog:


We are talking of placebo effects which you claimed could be the possible reason for the pain going away . And I told you that placebo don't work on everyone and the results are not lasting .

God can expedite the healing process . I've heard testimonies of swellings reduce instantly . So its nothing new .

Prayers work I tell you .

KingEbukasBlog:


We are talking of placebo effects which you claimed could be the possible reason for the pain going away . And I told you that placebo don't work on everyone and the results are not lasting .

God can expedite the healing process . I've heard testimonies of swellings reduce instantly . So its nothing new .

Prayers work I tell you .

Lennycool:


Then carry out the experiment next time you have an injury.
See if God will heal you

Lennycool:

Two easy explanations.
1.) He's lying, all you have is an anecdote. They are highly unreliable.

Lennycool:
2.) Unexplained healing not restricted to Christianity, you can't just say other cases of healing come from the devil, that's dishonest, you can't tell a Muslim he was healed by Satan, neither can you say that to a Buddhist or atheist.
Miracles are not restricted to Christianity, chalk it up to luck and coincidence.
Heal several amputees if you want real acknowledgment of a miracle.

RR2J:



[b][/b]supposing you were praying for a big job(lets not use pray let us say you were wishing to have a job) and surprisingly you got the job, exactly the position you wanted to be. What do you call that? coincidence?

KingEbukasBlog:


So all this preaching of argument from silence can't sink in ba . This rules out this explanation - evidently illogical




What the heck is luck and coincidence ? How can you pray for diabetes and hepatitis to be cured and it happens and you claim is luck ? What luck ? Do you know what luck or coincidence is , or have been programmed to regurgitate answers you learnt from somewhere ?

Just imagine .

I told you I needed a reasonable response , you failed twice egregiously

HardMirror:

It is better to keep silent and let people assume you a fool, than talk and confirm to everyone that u are actually a fool.
Address the OP, when u have headache you pray and feel better, when u get a cut, why don't you pray and get healed?

Lennycool:
The experiment goes like this, next time you have a physically visible injury (I insist on visible because most so called healings are just placebo effects that alter our mental state, if its visible no matter how well you feel the cut would still be there, your altered mind has little effect on the physical) , like a cut on your skin, a burn e.t.c you should pray to God to heal you. If prayer really worked you should be healed in a matter of minutes or atmost an hour.
But many reading this already know the prayer won't work and might already be coming up with these excuses

Faith: If it doesn't work most might come up with the excuse that they don't have enough faith, yet Jesus said that if only you possess faith as small as a mustard seed you should be able to move mountains, so that much faith shouldn't be required for a simple injury.

Testing God: Again most might come up with the excuse that they are testing God, but again this would be wrong, you have an injury and you're in pain, you ask your heavenly father to heal you. How is this testing God?

God has his own time:,Another excuse might be that God takes his time, but again this is just another attempt to deny the obvious, why should God wait that long to heal you of something that is presently causing you pain?

You can't deny the obvious, the prayer won't work because no one is answering them.

The Templeton foundation has even carried out research on prayers, and found them even detrimental to the health of sick patients.

Lennycool:
The experiment goes like this, next time you have a physically visible injury (I insist on visible because most so called healings are just placebo effects that alter our mental state, if its visible no matter how well you feel the cut would still be there, your altered mind has little effect on the physical) , like a cut on your skin, a burn e.t.c you should pray to God to heal you. If prayer really worked you should be healed in a matter of minutes or atmost an hour.
But many reading this already know the prayer won't work and might already be coming up with these excuses

Faith: If it doesn't work most might come up with the excuse that they don't have enough faith, yet Jesus said that if only you possess faith as small as a mustard seed you should be able to move mountains, so that much faith shouldn't be required for a simple injury.

Testing God: Again most might come up with the excuse that they are testing God, but again this would be wrong, you have an injury and you're in pain, you ask your heavenly father to heal you. How is this testing God?

God has his own time:,Another excuse might be that God takes his time, but again this is just another attempt to deny the obvious, why should God wait that long to heal you of something that is presently causing you pain?

You can't deny the obvious, the prayer won't work because no one is answering them.

The Templeton foundation has even carried out research on prayers, and found them even detrimental to the health of sick patients.

randomperson:

If a Muslim prayed about diabetes and got cured, does it mean Islam is true?

KingEbukasBlog:


So all this preaching of argument from silence can't sink in ba . This rules out this explanation - evidently illogical

What the heck are luck and coincidence ? How can you pray for diabetes and hepatitis to be cured and it happens and you claim is luck ? What luck ? Do you know what luck or coincidence is , or have been programmed to regurgitate answers you learnt from somewhere ?

Just imagine .

I told you I needed a reasonable response , you failed twice egregiously

Image123:


This is most ignorant on what the meaning of healing is, healing is not necessarily a miracle. What sort of placebo effect restored my failing eyesight after prayer, or healed a woman i know who was blind already, deteriorated eyesight who only knew someone is coming but didn't know who. Went for Bonnke crusade and came back seeing since about 14years ago. Or the fellow with one leg shorter than the other and the legs were made same after prayer. i like such a placebo effect, i wish for more of it. The kind that stopped an operation of over a million naira and the man is okay till date since last year. Please OP, you will be more useful to your generation if you could provide this ordinary placebo effect instead of eternal grumblings on nairaland.

KingEbukasBlog:



If the same thing happens in other religions which I strongly doubt , then from a Christian perspective their powers are from the wicked one - Satan whose purpose is to deceive people into thinking that have found truth in false religions

2 Corinthians 11:14–15
14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

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The last crusade I publicized here which I attended , the Muslim who testified said that the experience he had was never undergone when he was a Muslim . He acknowledged that Christianity is totally different . He also lamented about the persecution he faced from his Muslim family and the threats he received .

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Even in Christianity , false pastors use false means - juju - to perform miracles . Miracles do happen but the source should be the contentious issue .

Lennycool:

Dude, I'm simply canonizing this stuff.
Eliminate the impossible and whatever remains however implausible must be correct.

What is more impossible
That he lied
Or that he got miraculously cured

The latter has no supporting evidence, so I have to go with the former

randomperson:

Great!! So Christianity has as much claim to bring the true religion as every other religion that has supernatural occurrences. Nothing special about Christianity then.

randomperson:

Or if u have a serious injury and u are bleeding profusely, don't go to hospital or look for medical help... Just pray!