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How The Chronicler Undermines The Exodus Story: Ephraimite Genealogy by alchemist13: 7:10pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Apart from the fact that the Exodus story has been thoroughly discredited by archeology, there are droplets of evidence in the Bible itself that show that the were other stories of how the loose confederation of tribes that would later become the nation of Israel emerged. At IsThatInTheBible blog, the author presents a compelling case: The Story of Ezer and Elead (and What It Means for the Exodus) |
Re: How The Chronicler Undermines The Exodus Story: Ephraimite Genealogy by alchemist13: 7:29pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
In 1 Chr. 7 : 20 - 24, Ephraim, his father, his brothers and his children live in Canaan completely unaware of the migration of the sons of Jacob to Egypt. Obviously this cannot be reconciled with the more popular Joseph-in-Egypt story. |
Re: How The Chronicler Undermines The Exodus Story: Ephraimite Genealogy by alchemist13: 7:29pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
In 1 Chr. 7 : 20 - 24, Ephraim, his father, his brothers and his children live in Canaan completely u aware of the migration of the sons of Jacob to Egypt. Obviously this cannot be reconciled with the more popular Joseph-in-Egypt story. |
Re: How The Chronicler Undermines The Exodus Story: Ephraimite Genealogy by felixomor: 8:05pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
If u cared to read the article, u even referenced, u wouldnt even reference it. Its funny when people are trying to diaprove a book and at thesame time have over 80 percent of their knowledge coming from what they want to disprove. Its funny. |
Re: How The Chronicler Undermines The Exodus Story: Ephraimite Genealogy by alchemist13: 8:08pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
felixomor: What is wrong with the article? |
Re: How The Chronicler Undermines The Exodus Story: Ephraimite Genealogy by felixomor: 8:12pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
alchemist13: Firstly, An article u say is thorough has its number one reference as the books of the bible. That is not impressive. Secondly, within the articles The tenses are so much in "hearsay" tenses. Just as u have also used hearsay tenses. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How The Chronicler Undermines The Exodus Story: Ephraimite Genealogy by sonofthunder: 8:47pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
hmmm... verse 21... Zabad his son, and Shuthelah his son. [During Ephraim's lifetime, his sons] Ezer and Elead were slain by men of Gath born in the land, who had come down to steal the cattle [of the Ephraimites, probably before the Israelites left Egypt]. |
Re: How The Chronicler Undermines The Exodus Story: Ephraimite Genealogy by sonofthunder: 8:48pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
probably before the
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Re: How The Chronicler Undermines The Exodus Story: Ephraimite Genealogy by Scholar8200(m): 9:12pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
20 And the sons of Ephraim; Shuthelah, and Bered his son, and Tahath his son, and Eladah his son, and Tahath his son, 21 and Zabad his son, and Shuthelah his son, and Ezer, and Elead, whom the men of Gath that were born in that land slew, because they came down to take away their cattle. 22 And Ephraim their father mourned many days, and his brethren came to comfort him. 23 And when he went in to his wife, she conceived, and bare a son, and he called his name Beriah, because it went evil with his house. 24 (And his daughter was Sherah, who built Beth-horon the nether, and the upper, and Uzzen-sherah.) 1 Chronicles 7:20-24 Now this is where you referenced. Consider the fact that: 1. Joseph was thirty when he got married Genesis 41:46,45 2. He had his sons about that time Genesis 41:50 3. Joseph died age 110 years Genesis 50:26 (meaning when Joseph was 90, his sons Ephraim and Manasseh were about 60) 4. Egyptian bondage started after Joseph's death not during his lifetime. 5. Gath is a city in the land of the philistines. Note that it was Ephraim's deceased sons , not Ephraim that went there; meaning Ephraim remained in Egypt while his sons who went to Gath perhaps to feed cattle were killed. QED 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: How The Chronicler Undermines The Exodus Story: Ephraimite Genealogy by alchemist13: 8:33pm On Jul 08, 2022 |
Scholar8200:Why in God's name will Ephraim's sons remain in Canaan while the rest of their family be in Egypt to avoid a famine |
Re: How The Chronicler Undermines The Exodus Story: Ephraimite Genealogy by alchemist13: 8:42pm On Jul 08, 2022 |
Wait guys... I think we are forgetting something here... Ephraim, in the Genesis narrative is the son of Joseph. So how can the grandsons of an Egypt prime minister be stealing cattle up in Gath? Most of the responses here have assumed Ephraim was born in Canaan! Ephraim was born in Egypt, the son of the prime minster and his mother, the daughter of a priest, was personally handpicked by Pharoah for Joseph. We are talking about a child of high priviledge born in the most aristocratic family of the richest country in the world! Y'all can't be serious |
Re: How The Chronicler Undermines The Exodus Story: Ephraimite Genealogy by alchemist13: 8:45pm On Jul 08, 2022 |
sonofthunder: Why will the grandsons of a former prime minister be rading cattles in Gath? Besides the very next chapter has a daughter of Ephraim bulding towns in Canaan. Clearly this is a story of a settled people in Canaan not people moving between Egypt and Canaan. |
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