jeebz:
Another thread looking to condemn private christian universities.

1. Quality education is not cheap anywhere in the world. Check Harvard, Princeton and similar universities.
2. I believe that the church would have a scholarship scheme for bright students who are members and non-members of the church.
3. Remember, this is a second private university in Lagos.

We can only give them say a ten period before we judge.

jeebz:
Another thread looking to condemn private christian universities.

1. Quality education is not cheap anywhere in the world. Check Harvard, Princeton and similar universities.
2. I believe that the church would have a scholarship scheme for bright students who are members and non-members of the church.
3. Remember, this is a second private university in Lagos.

We can only give them say a ten period before we judge.

BiafranBushBoy:
Which private school is cheap?

How will they pay the professors and lecturers?

How will they equip the school?

Or will the money fall from sky?

#Proud Deeperlifer

L0velyn:
how do you mean

BiafranBushBoy:

Will you reply my pm if I answer you?

Timothy3113:
please what reason is the university established, is it for profit making or to help the people??

walexsho:

Mr Gramarian, I want to to see your corrections on my use of Tense..
hello past tense of Lecturer is what? as I'm no longer an Undergraduate but a Graduate.
The real message I'm trying to pass is that the Lecturers in Public Universities still Lectures in 2 or more private Universities to have there share of the National offering and Tithe

Jennifer89:



you dey shout offering money oooo how much you dey put for offering seff?

jumpandpas:


If the church said no student should pay fees, can you volunteer to teach without collecting salary?.

Timothy3113:
Bro you never answered my question??

Is the university established for the purpose of profit making or for the masses.


Ask yourself these questions why is it always that it is only the church owned university school fees that is highly critised??


A church is non profitable, charitable organisation, so what happens when a member of a non profitable organisation contribute to a project and it is not serving the purpose of the organisation.

I think am in support of the new FRCN law.

L0velyn:
i am a deeperlifer

pavy:



Is it compulsory for a church to own a University? Whose child do they hope to train at the university if their members can't afford the tuition fee for their kids? Children of corrupt politicians? Think about the message they will be passing across.

pavy:






you are missing the point, its not a question of weda a private university is expensive to run. The point is, what is the motive for establishing a private university in the first place? For a church, I would like to think that their motive should be to provide a better alternative to the public schools. We all know that our public versities is a hub of all form of social vices like cultism and indecent dressing. Therefore, a church owned university should be a place of high moral and educational standards, where members can send their kids to without the fear of them being corrupted or initiated into cult groups.

Therefore, a church should not bother to set up a university if over 90% of its members can't afford to send their kids to such a school. Whose kids do they hope to train, when they setup the versity and fix such a high price as tuition fee? in a country where over 60% of Nigerians live below $1 per day.

Somebody made mention of quality education being free in Germany. It is true. What that person failed to mention is the fact that most of these schools abroad get constant donations from ex-students, organizations, and wealthy citizens to maintain the standard of the school. Unfortunately in Nigeria, instead of donating to our public universities to improve the standards, our politicians and other wealthy Nigerians set up their own schools to compete with the public schools, thereby worsening their ratings and standard further. It is disheartening to see that even churches have joined in this trend.

A church should not concern itself with building schools, their plates are full already as it were. Millions of people still haven't heard of Jesus, and according to Mark 16:15-16, evangelism is the only commission Jesus gave to the church.

Bottom line is that churches should not be building universities to compete with our public universities, they can use the fund to donate equipments, and fund research work in our schools. But if for any reason they set up a university, it should be for the benefit of its members and for the furtherance of the gospel of Christ. Anything contrary to this is unacceptable. Unless the schools were set up to make profit.

BiafranBushBoy:


I know you are lying... but kwantinue

emmasege:
You are absolutely wrong. There's no free quality education anywhere in the world. Someone or some people are paying for it. If only you knew the running cost of standard universities in Nigeria, you would understand that no church no matter how rich they are, is buoyant enough to provide quality university education in Nigeria at no or low tuition fees. The best they can do is to come up with scholarship schemes for their own members or individuals they adopted through mission works. And I think Pastor Kumuyi would be thinking along this line.

valuedammy:

Atleast they got the money used in building this uni from the offerings and tithe of members then they should also expect to get the money that will be used in running this uni from same members not by requesting to pay so much for the tuition fee. Who is deceiving who?

Daboywizzy:
Let kumuyi continue to mislead people with a doctrine from hell.

dicefrost:


The tithe and offering can very well run the school

L0velyn:
i am a deeperlifer

Kennydoc:


Some of you guys talk without thinking.
First, how do you know the church is making profit from the fees? Do you know how many students they have as at now versus staff on their payroll?

Now, let's do a little calculation.
Let's assume they have 1000 students as at now (it's still a new university) and each student pays an average tuition of 600k per annum, in one year, the school will generate 600 million naira. This is their main source of income.
Now imagine they have only 100 lecturers across the 3 faculties, and each lecturer earns an average of 250k per month. It means each lecturer will earn an average of 3 million naira per annum. So 100 lecturers will earn about 300 million naira per annum, out of 600 million.
We haven't talked about non-academic staff, cost of equipping the labs, maintenance of facilities etc.

Guy, running a university is freaking expensive. University tuition cannot be cheap.
You probably compare these church owned universities with their federal counterparts. That's an unfair comparison.
The FG pays the salaries of all the workers in federal unis and still gives the schools money for running the institutions, in form of subventions. Such money never gets to private unis, as they have to source for all their funds through tuition.
Were FG not paying salaries and providing for the running of the universities, I can bet you that the minimum fees Nigerians would have been paying in federal universities won't be less than 400k. Same applies to state owned universities.

Again, it isn't really the poor people in the churches that provide for the needs of the churches. How much do they have? There are people that sow seeds in tens of millions. People donate hundreds of thousands to make things work in the churches. It's mainly the financial contributions of these ones that cause mighty projects to be executed, not people that give 20k and nobody will hear again.

Nobody says your child must attend your church's university cos you contributed in building it. If you can't afford the tuition, choose a cheaper school. Even at 150k, many people still cannot afford it, so will the church now make it free?
What do you personally consider as affordable fees?
I work in a hospital where staff get drugs at cost price, but because the cost prices of the branded drugs sold in the hospital sometimes outweigh the prices of non-branded alternatives sold in pharmacies outside, sometimes I go and buy drugs from outside instead of buying from our hospital.

Please, you guys should stop criticising for the fun of it. Try and be more reasonable.

Statsocial:

First, tithes are not used to build universities in most cases. Most churches call for special donations when they want to build universities. A church already has numerous expenses like pastor salaries, outreach that is funded by tithe/offering, adding a university to it would be too heavy. Btw churches still grant funds to the universities to help subsidize it. E.g Caleb university proprietors grants 500 million naira to d university yearly inspire of 350k worth of school fees that students pay. Bells university, AUN, lead city, baze uni are low ranking in comparism to Covenant university n redeemers uni yet both CU and RUN are far cheaper than the secular schools. Btw even Islamic schools that are of poor rankings e.g Crescent university charges 500k and above.

seguno2:


Have you heard of subsidised fees like what the oyinbo missionaries did for their primary schools, which people like Kumuyi must have attended in addition to subsidised government university and maybe oyinbo scholarship for his post graduate studies?
Did the oyinbo missionaries not use the offerings of their church members to provide the subsidised schools and scholarship back then?
Why is it difficult for Kumuyi to replicate this for his own school?
Moreover how many primary schools are owned by his church?

Ermacc:
Education is not the gateway out of ignorance!

Timothy3113:
Bro you never answered my question??

Is the university established for the purpose of profit making or for the masses.


Ask yourself these questions why is it always that it is only the church owned university school fees that is highly critised??


A church is non profitable, charitable organisation, so what happens when a member of a non profitable organisation contribute to a project and it is not serving the purpose of the organisation.

I think am in support of the new FRCN law.

pavy:






you are missing the point, its not a question of weda a private university is expensive to run. The point is, what is the motive for establishing a private university in the first place? For a church, I would like to think that their motive should be to provide a better alternative to the public schools. We all know that our public versities is a hub of all form of social vices like cultism and indecent dressing. Therefore, a church owned university should be a place of high moral and educational standards, where members can send their kids to without the fear of them being corrupted or initiated into cult groups.

Therefore, a church should not bother to set up a university if over 90% of its members can't afford to send their kids to such a school. Whose kids do they hope to train, when they setup the versity and fix such a high price as tuition fee? in a country where over 60% of Nigerians live below $1 per day.

Somebody made mention of quality education being free in Germany. It is true. What that person failed to mention is the fact that most of these schools abroad get constant donations from ex-students, organizations, and wealthy citizens to maintain the standard of the school. Unfortunately in Nigeria, instead of donating to our public universities to improve the standards, our politicians and other wealthy Nigerians set up their own schools to compete with the public schools, thereby worsening their ratings and standard further. It is disheartening to see that even churches have joined in this trend.

A church should not concern itself with building schools, their plates are full already as it were. Millions of people still haven't heard of Jesus, and according to Mark 16:15-16, evangelism is the only commission Jesus gave to the church.

Bottom line is that churches should not be building universities to compete with our public universities, they can use the fund to donate equipments, and fund research work in our schools. But if for any reason they set up a university, it should be for the benefit of its members and for the furtherance of the gospel of Christ. Anything contrary to this is unacceptable. Unless the schools were set up to make profit.

L0velyn:
serious! the only church tat preaches about salvation actually..

Daboywizzy:
Let kumuyi continue to mislead people with a doctrine from hell.

Daboywizzy:
Let kumuyi continue to mislead people with a doctrine from hell.