this morning, i was in a hurry to go out, but i could not find my keys, which means, i could not start my vehicle,and i could not back home to open my door, since i was living by myself.

thus, i must find them out. i decided a way to challenge God.

i searched my house, which had 5 rooms , one by one. i searched each pile of clothes, each stack of odds and ends, no place was not under my search,in another word , i searched my rooms systematically, instead of a rampage. however, i still could not find them.

why? was god a lier? how can he make logic not available? how can he slap his own face by saying , the logic , by which he created the world , now is not right?

i love god, i did not want him to fail, so i searched my room twice, and suddenly , i found the keys, just under a pile of trinkets i have already searched.

how could this be?

sorry ,god, i was a mean person, i forced you to make a mistake under my nose.

imagine, a little boy, playing with an ant, by lifting its food above its head, since ant is a 2 dimensional creature, it has no idea of human being , who are living in 3 dimensional world, and thus it has no idea where its food is, and that boy-god just drops down the food, and the ant finds it at last.

Don't play yourself.

Am I the only one who can't make sense of this?

You are living by yourself in a 5 bedroom house?

do you know the computer procedure writers? or the programmers?

god is a programmer in the 4 dimensional world, we could guess his existence , by our 6th sense, but we could never witness it directly by our senses in the 3 dimensional world.

and by the way, a computer programmer is rather a boring and low-paid job in the developed countries. he will creat the roles in the web games, he will make computer think in human way. to computer, a programmer is GOD

AlfaSeltzer:
You are living by yourself in a 5 bedroom house?

i am an oyinbo,and not in nigeria now

the great philosopher, KANT, in 17th century, argued that, can human being sense something beyond himself by his given organs? i mean , by his eyes, his nose, his ears, his mouth and tongue, and his skin, his BODY.

and nowadays, the question is the same, can human being know something which is destined to be unknown, such as afterdeath,by help of the so called high tech laboratory equipment?

the answer to these two questions is a big NO.

KANT said, suppose you are a frog , sitting in the bottom of a well, the size of well is a round one, so , the sky to you , is a round sky. if you are born with a yellow color glasses on your eyes, the whole world is yellow.

human are born ,essentially in a set way, so we can never jump out of our skin, to be another form of intelligence.

and god is no more than a low paid computer programmer in the 4 dimensional world,he is no better, just like , as a human being , you are not happier than an ant, at least ant can have a full belly, although an ant can never view the world in your way.

What on earth is this all about?
I've read this write up 3 times and I still can't make anything of it...

nigeriasmack:


i am an oyinbo,and not in nigeria now

And so what

urheme:



And so what

that means, i love philosophy and science debate more than focus on RACISM.

I am at a loss here.
I read the post from the beginning to the last word, but I can't place my hand on what Op is trying to communicate. He should come and clear the air.

Gracious007:
I am at a loss here.
I read the post from the beginning to the last word, but I can't place my hand on what Op is trying to communicate. He should come and clear the air.

do you have the experience of finding something? and at last you found it in a place where you were definitely sure it should not be there.

how can you explain this?

if you have not such experience. just keep in mind my experiment , and one day if you are searching something , try to search in a systematical way, one place after another, and see what will happen. you are forcing god to lie.

like, you are a computer programmer, you find out a bug in the game, which will cause some plots illogical , so you bungling youself to correct it by reprogramming , to stealthly put that bunch of keys to a place he assumes the computer game roles will not find out.

nigeriasmack:


do you have the experience of finding something? and at last you found it in a place where you were definitely sure it should not be there.

how can you explain this?

if you have not such experience. just keep in mind my experiment , and one day if you are searching something , try to search in a systematical way, one place after another, and see what will happen. you are forcing god to lie.

like, you are a computer programmer, you find out a bug in the game, which will cause some plots illogical , so you bungling youself to correct it by reprogramming , to stealthly put that bunch of keys to a place he assumes the computer game roles will not find out.

First of all, the idea behind searching for a lost item is that you are sure where it should be cos you placed it there, not necessarily where it definitely shouldn't be if you happen to not find it where it ought to be because one can only be sure of his actions. That's how it works.

You can't tell what's responsible for that item changing its position, unless of course there was a precise pattern as to how you kept that item and that would explain why you would be suprised to recover it in a remote area in the surrounding given that possibilities are boundless.

But the last portion of your post quite explains everything.

Gracious007:



First of all, the idea behind searching for a lost item is that you are sure where it should be cos you placed it there, not necessarily where it definitely shouldn't be if you happen to not find it where it ought to be because one can only be sure of his actions. That's how it works.

You can't tell what's responsible for that item changing its position, unless of course there was a precise pattern as to how you kept that item and that would explain why you would be suprised to recover it in a remote area in the surrounding given that, possibilities are boundless.

But the last portion of your post quite explains everything.

i can tell my keys are 100% in my house, because ,i am using logic,

i came home last night, i never went out,if without the keys, i could not open the door to come home.

so the keys must be in the room.

not because of your " you are sure where it should be cos you placed it there", i am totally not sure , no matter consciously or sub-counsciously

Gracious007:



First of all, the idea behind searching for a lost item is that you are sure where it should be cos you placed it there, not necessarily where it definitely shouldn't be if you happen to not find it where it ought to be because one can only be sure of his actions. That's how it works.

You can't tell what's responsible for that item changing its position, unless of course there was a precise pattern as to how you kept that item and that would explain why you would be suprised to recover it in a remote area in the surrounding given that possibilities are boundless.

But the last portion of your post quite explain everything.

by the way , you say "possibilities are boundless", but what possibilities?

now , i am not talking about memory, or how tricky my memory is.

i am matter of fact, let past be past, i am getting down to find the keys, which should be 100% in the house.

so let facts reveal everything

there is another fun theory, about slumber.

what is sleep? to upload our minds (containing daily events and thoughts) to god, and that tricky god is downloading some fake info into our minds.

what if yesterday, i was your boss, i was a 1 day boss to you, but after sleeping, god downloads fake info to all of us, and today, you are my boss, and in your memory, you "remenber" everyday before, you have always been my boss.

and all the other guys' memory , have been adjusted by god too, during the sleeping downloading.so all the other guys yesterday regard me to be your boss, and today, they totally have no idea of what really happened yesterday , and regard you to be my boss.

our memory could be just 24 hours

nigeriasmack:


i can tell my keys are 100% in my house, because ,i am using logic,

Of course you can. But you cannot tell the definite place said item is. Even at that, don't you think banking on 100% certainty is a bit extreme and of the top of your head? You can't be too sure.

i came home last night, i never went out,if without the keys, i could not open the door to come home.

so the keys must be in the room.

not because of your " you are sure where it should be cos you placed it there", i am totally not sure , no matter consciously or sub-counsciously

Still too extreme. If you aren't sure, then who kept the keys where they are before you started looking for them?

nigeriasmack:


by the way , you say "possibilities are boundless", but what possibilities?

now , i am not talking about memory, or how tricky my memory is.

i am matter of fact, let past be past, i am getting down to find the keys, which should be 100% in the house.

so let facts reveal everything

By possibilities, I meant intervening factors. Since the person who supposed dropped the keys in where it should be didn't eliminate elements that might interfere, something out of the ordinary is bound to occur. Get it?

Gracious007:


Of course you can. But you cannot tell the definite place said item is. Even at that, don't you think banking on 100% certainty is a bit extreme and of the top of your head? You can't be too sure.



Still too extreme. If you aren't sure, then who kept the keys where they are before you started looking for them?

before i really found the keys, i believe they were in the house, by the only thing i can rely on, my logic.

if logic could be wrong, then by what kind of rules god created men?

of couse, i 100% trusted logic, which told me that the keys should be in the house.

but i did not know where they were, maybe this was also a trick done by god, to make my mind murky, in order to do more tricks on me

so i searched my keys in the house, i was searching room by room, corner by corner, systematically.god had better reveal them for the first time when i searched. or else, he was making trouble for his own logic.

Gracious007:


By possibilities, I meant intervening factors. Since the person who supposed dropped the keys in where it should be didn't eliminate elements that might interfere, something out of the ordinary is bound to occur. Get it?

let us make it more simple

there are 100 boxes in front of me , i close my eyes, i throw my key into one of them , although i close my eyes, i trust logic, which tells me that, the key must be in one of these 100 boxes.

i open my eyes, i search each box, but none of them has my key!

i try again, i find the key in one of them

explain this!

there is another fun theory , which is called "if you love god, never test him"

it is common that many religious people will pray god for giving them something they wish, this is dangerous, what if god fails to give you? which situation is quite normal.

if anybody can get a BMW by praying, this world will be a hell.

of course , these religious guys are NOT religious at all, they think: well, if god can fulfill my pray, it would be good, but if not, it is still ok, just a pray,free of charge, i can do anytime i want.

so, shift your position to that of god, what if a guy thinking in this repulsive way？ he should be the first one to go hell

the conclusion of this theory is : do not pray. or , if a religion supporting or encouraging praying, this religion could be a fake one

nigeriasmack:


let us make it more simple

there are 100 boxes in front of me , i close my eyes, i throw my key into one of them , although i close my eyes, i trust logic, which tells me that, the key must be in one of these 100 boxes.

i open my eyes, i search each box, but none of them has my key!

i try again, i find the key in one of them

explain this!

The simple explanation I can come up with is that you are human, and being human means you are very flawed. You are likely to respond differently to situations due to the fact that your overall make-up is not always constant. You ain't a robot, are you?

Read my previous comment again and you would get the point.

Gracious007:


The simple explanation I can come up with is that you are human, and being human means you are very flawed. You are likely to respond differently to situations due to the fact that your overall make-up is not always constant. You ain't a robot, are you?

Read my previous comment again and you would get the point.

1) i have reduced the case to so explicit, and you still have problem?

2) dont split hairs,

3) of course, i am a flawed human, but , as to my example of 100 boxes, can you explain? in the frontal way.

4)since you are diverging to another topic, about human and robot, i have something more to say here

5) just because human are more prone to make mistakes, human are forever the master of machine. all great thoughts, all great human contributions were/are coming from errors.

6)some smart scientist seemed to make a mistake, he observed that the light speed was not always 30000000km/second, and based on which his theory seemed wrong too. or this phenomenon can not be explained by logic? robot can never answer this, but man could, and that man's name was EINSTEIN, and from this flaw of his theory, he invented another more famous theory, the RELATIVITY

Gracious007:


The simple explanation I can come up with is that you are human, and being human means you are very flawed. You are likely to respond differently to situations due to the fact that your overall make-up is not always constant. You ain't a robot, are you?

Read my previous comment again and you would get the point.

i am not talking about why i can not find my key for the first time, dont tell me i have a murky mind, and that is why i can not find it out in a precise place in a rummage.

i am talking about my second search, which is based on my first systematical search.

nigeriasmack:


1) i have reduced the case to so explicit, and you still have problem?

2) dont split hairs,

3) of course, i am a flawed human, but , as to my example of 100 boxes, can you explain? in the frontal way.

4)since you are diverging to another topic, about human and robot, i have something more to say here

5) just because human are more prone to make mistakes, human are forever the master of machine. all great thoughts, all great human contributions were/are coming from errors.

6)some smart scientist seemed to make a mistake, he observed that the light speed was not always 30000000km/second, and based on which his theory seemed wrong too. or this phenomenon can not be explained by logic? robot can never answer this, but man could, and that man's name was EINSTEIN, and from this flaw of his theory, he invented another more famous theory, the RELATIVITY

I am sorry but you haven't made any sense so far. Robots have no mind of their own as they only act the way they have been programmed to by the producer. Humans the world over accomplish incredible feats everyday as our intelligence keeps evolving. Nevertheless the constituents of the human body are constantly in motion interacting with the environment so I don't comprehend how you could believe we mustn't function differently when we partake in an activity for many times despite the fact that the world changes second after second and we change along with the world. Your comments are out of context. Adding numerous irrelevant facts to the discourse only further expose your weak argument. Learn to own up when you are clearly wrong.

Gracious007:



I am sorry but you haven't made any sense so far. Robots have no mind of their own as they only act the way they have been programmed to by the producer. Humans the world over accomplish incredible feats everyday as our intelligence keeps evolving. Nevertheless the constituents of the human body is constantly in motion interacating with its environment so I don't comprehend how you could believe we mustn't function different when we partake in an activity for a many times despite the fact that the world changeds second after second and we change along with the world. Your comments are out of context. Adding numerous irrelevant facts to the discourse only further expose your weak argument. Learn to own up when you are clearly wrong.

1)it is you who diverge the topic to discuss something between human and robot. i just humor you.

2)ok, explain this: what if i find my key under a pile of clothes which i have checked just 1 minute ago. my memory is so fresh, and you don't even need to ply logic to say "god is cheating now"

3)dont tell me i dont know how to check a pile of clothes, if i am that stupid, i am really flawed

nigeriasmack:


1)it is you who diverge the topic to discuss something between human and robot. i just humor you.

2)ok, explain this: what if i find me key under a pile of clothes which i have checked just 1 minute ago. my memory is so fresh, and you don't even need to ply logic to say "god is cheating now"

3)dont tell me i can not even check a pile of clothes, if i am that stupid, i am really flawed

Is a human a perfect being?

Is our world stagnant? Answer these questions and then you would realise the absurdity smeared all over your posts. "God is cheating now" could be interpreted in another way as "environmental forces at play".

Nigeriasmack i don't mean to offend you but are you by any way_naijadeyhia?

Gracious007:

Is a human a perfect being?

Is our world stagnant? Answer these questions and then you would realise the absurdity smeared all over your posts. "God is cheating now" could be interpreted in another way as "environmental forces at play".

is our world stagnant or not anything to do with my lost and refound key?

your point is, the wooden chair, on which there were a pile of clothes and my key , swallowed my key into the wood texture when i searched it for the first time, and the second time, it regurgitated it out.

i am not nigerian , let alone a magician , by help of a wooden chair.

Gracious007:

Is a human a perfect being?

Is our world stagnant? Answer these questions and then you would realise the absurdity smeared all over your posts. "God is cheating now" could be interpreted in another way as "environmental forces at play".

1)you keep saying human has flaw, will make mistakes

2)you never answer my question in the frontal way

3)if i found that bunch of keys after i rummaged my room for 3 times, i could still say, i was careless, i paid no attention to "changing enviroment"(although i have no idea what this means actually)

4)but the situation here was: i checked every nook of my room , and i would marked the place i have checked by a signal, so you can imagine how surprise i would be , after 2 minute for my second check , i found my keys in a marked place.

5) kindly explain how the enviroment changes made me could not find the keys

Gracious007:


By possibilities, I meant intervening factors. Since the person who supposed dropped the keys in where it should be didn't eliminate elements that might interfere, something out of the ordinary is bound to occur. Get it?

i am not talking about how i could not find my keys,

i am talking about, how i found my key in a place i already checked 1 minute before.

of course , your enviromental power is so powerful that, you may enumerate tons of possibilities, such as, my eyes were bad, my keys just being at an agle not easy to be seen for the first time.......

if things turned out to be this mundane, i would not post any thread here.

Gracious007:
Nigeriasmack i don't mean to offend you but are you by any way_naijadeyhia?

you are just a quack theologist

hiding behind gothicly sententious words, just a hundrum sentence:"your eyes not good, no wonder you need to find twice!"

why not say it in simple and easy english? your low-brow thought needs no beautiful gramma to express.