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Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by lawani: 9:41pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: YOU KEEP HAMMERING ON SLAVES, WHAT ABOUT SETTLERS? IT WAS THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION THAT CHANGED THE GAME, YOU UNDERSTAND? YORUBA WERE MOVING TO THE AMERICAS IN EQUAL PROPORTION TO ANY EUROPEAN GROUP. COLUMBUS WAS IN WEST AFRICA BEFORE CROSSING THE ATLANTIC. HE DEFINITELY HAD WEST AFRICANS IN HIS CREW. YOU ARE RIGHT THAT THE TRADE PEAKED IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE 19TH CENTURY BUT MANY YORUBAS ARRIVED SOUTH AMERICA AS LANDOWNERS AND CHIEFS AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE ENTRENCHED THERE LIKE EUROPEANS. PEOPLE USED TO GO BACK AND FORTH. YORUBA MADE CLOTHES WERE EXPORTED THERE. PEOPLE GREW RICH ON THAT. PEOPLE WENT TO SOUTH AMERICA ON BUSINESS, SETTLED THERE AND ETC. SO, NOT ONLY SLAVE TRADE. A NATION LIKE HAITI AS OGUN AS THE NATIONAL TUTELARY DEITY. THEN YORUBAS ARE THE FIRST PREFERENCE OF SLAVE DEALERS BECAUSE BEING USED TO CITY LIFE AND ORGANISATION, THEY ARE EASIER TO DEAL WITH THAN OTHERS, THEY ALSO HAVE MULTIPLE BIRTHS. A YORUBA COST MORE THAN OTHERS BACK THEN AND EFIK PEOPLE CLAIM MOST SLAVES SOLD THROUGH THEIR PORTS WERE YORUBAS. BUYERS ASKED FOR YORUBAS BEFORE OTHERS. IGBO LAND WAS NOT IN TURMOIL AND MANY YORUBAS ENROUTE TO THE CALABAR PORT DISAPPEARED INTO IGBO LAND BOUGHT BY IGBOS FOR FARM WORK. THEY ARE NOW OSUS. |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by bigfrancis21: 10:04pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
lawani: Hahaha. The difference between you and I is that I deal in facts, you deal in fantasy. Until you come up with proof to back up your 'fantasy', goodbye Akin the dreamer. |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 10:28pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
bigfrancis21:Go and do research on it. You were called Igbos BY YOUR FOREFATHERS. THE WHITES DIDNT KNOW ANY TRIBE OR ETHNICITY BUT THE LOCALS IDENTIFY THEMSELVES ACCORDING TO THEIR GROUPING. YORUBA HAD ALWAYS USED THE WORDS “IGBO"LONG BEFORE CONTACT WITH IBOS AND BEFORE THEY BEGAN TO USE IT IN 20th century . IN FACTS I DON'T DONT REFER TO YOU PEOPLE AS IGBO BUT IBOS. CHECK ALL MY WRITE UPS. JUST AS EDOS CAME UP AND COOKED A VERSION FOR ODUA THAT HE AND HIS GROUP WERE WEARING ROBE DURING THEIR TIME AS BEEN ONE IZODUWA FROM OGODOMIGODO WHO REMAIN UNKNOWN .AND AND ALMOST LAY CLAIM TO THE WORD OBA UNTIL THE CURRENT OBA RECOGNISED HIS ANCESTORS ORANMIYAN AS THE FIRST OBA IBINU/UBINU AND NOT OWOKA/OWO-MI-KA(EWEKA).THE WORD OBA THAT'S BEEN PART AND PARCEL OF YORUBA NATION FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. OBATALA /OBALUFON ETC. EVEN YORUBA BIBLE WRITTEN SINCE 1844 USED THE OBA IN THE YORUBA VERSION OF THE BIBLE SEVERAL TIMES. YOU PEOPLE JUST LOVE TO TWIST HISTORY TO SUIT YOUR INTEREST. |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by lawani: 10:54pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: YOU ARE UNEDUCATED AND IGNORANT. I SHOULD NOT BE BANTERING WORDS WITH YOUR KIND. YOU IGBOS FAIL TO REALISE, THE BULK OF YOU ARE NEW ENTRANTS ON THE WORLD STAGE. AS AT MID 19TH CENTURY. IGBOS WERE AT THE LEVEL OF ADVANCEMENT OF THE KOMA PEOPLE RECENTLY DISCOVERED IN ADAMAWA. YET YOU EXPECT TO BE OF SAME PEDIGREE AS PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN AT NATION BUILDING SINCE TIME BEGAN? THAT MAKES NO SENSE!. ANCIENT IGBOS CONFINED THEMSELVES TO THEIR VILLAGES. HOW CAN YOU COMPARE THEM TO YORUBAS WHO KNEW AND RELATED WITH OTHERS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS?. YOU BETTER STOP EXHIBITING YOUR IGNORANCE. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Probz(m): 11:04pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
lawani: Not that your whole post isn't total bull but the emboldened jumped out to me. On what planet is being easier to sell into slavery a good thing? You're actually saying it's better to be all-trusting and naive than stubborn and rebellious (aka Igbo slaves) in the face of being dragged away from your homeland and stripped of your identity. I'd rather be less easy to deal with if it meant not being sold to masters across the Atlantic and subjected to nothing short of inhumanity but that's just me. Just be careful what you type and how intelligent it makes you sound when you blow your omo Yoruba propaganda. 1 Like |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by lawani: 11:10pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
Probz: TO BE A SLAVE WAS NOT A NEW THING FOR YORUBAS. YOU GET?. A TYPICAL HOUSEHOLD CONSISTS OF SLAVES AND FREEBORNS WORKING ALONGSIDE EACH OTHER. SLAVES AND FREE BORNS INTERMARRY FREELY. SLAVERY WAS TO MAKE EVERYBODY BELONG SOMEWHERE, CHIP IN SOMEWHERE. IF I AM A SLAVE IN A PROSPEROUS HOUSEHOLD, I MIGHT BE RICH AND IF I AM OFFERED FREEDOM, I WONT TAKE IT BECAUSE I ENJOY THE RANK OF MY MASTER IN PUBLIC. PEOPLE FEAR ME BECAUSE OF MY MASTER. SO WHY WILL I HATE SLAVERY? ABEG WISE UP! A TYPICAL YORUBA CITY CONTAINED 80 PERCENT SLAVES. ALL WERE SLAVES EVEN. |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Probz(m): 11:13pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
lawani: Na wow for this guy. Chineke. 1 Like |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by lawani: 11:50pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
Probz: FORTUNES DO CHANGE IN AN INSTANT. THAT IS OYA!. IF YOUR FORTUNE IS REVERSED FROM ROYALTY TO SLAVE, THEN YOU PRAY FOR A GOOD MASTER AND YOUR ORI WILL LEAD YOU THERE. YOU WILL MAKE IT THERE. IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. 1 Like |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Probz(m): 12:37am On Jan 19, 2017 |
lawani: Double na wow. Oloshi. |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by bigfrancis21: 1:20am On Jan 19, 2017 |
Probz: |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 12:37pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
lawani:FACTS TO BEHOLD |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 12:56pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
lawani:NOT TRUE TO 80% SLAVE IN YORUBA CITY OR ANCIENT TIME. THOUGH IT WAS TRUE THAT ONE'S MASTER NAME GIVES PRESTIGE TO THE SLAVE WHEREVER SUCH GOES. HOWEVER, EVERY ONE KNOW HIS/HER POSITION IN SUCH HOUSEHOLD. OKO KI WA KO NI ALA BABA ATI OMO. EVEN FREEBORN HAVE CATEGORIES. KINGLY HOMES,NOBLE HOMES, AND CITIZENS WHILE POSITION OF SLAVES VARIES ACCORDING THE SAME RANKS. IN THE ANCIENT TIMES NON OF YORUBA CLANS HAD SLAVES EXCEPT FOREIGNERS ESPECIALLY PEOPLE FROM HAUSA/FULANI/EBIRA/TAPA/AGATU etc to tend to their farms and cattles . I STILL KNOW A SERVING FULANI MAN BEING WILLED TO A FAMILY FRIEND OF MINE EVEN IN TODAY'S NIGERIA. 1 Like |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by lawani: 1:08pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Olu317: IN THE PAST, ALL YORUBA BELONG TO AN AGBO ILE AND A TYPICAL TOWN IS MADE UP OF SEVERAL AGBO ILES OF WHICH THE KING'S COMPOUND MAY BE THE BIGGEST, BUT MANY AGBO ILE MAY BE ROYAL IN THESAME TOWN, HOWEVER ALL AGBO ILES HAVE THEIR TITLE HOLDER OR BAALE, OFTEN THE OLDEST PERSON THERE. IT CAN BE POSSIBLE FOR A SLAVE TO BE BAALE IF WELL RESPECTED BUT IF THE AGBO ILE HAS A SPECIAL TITLE, IT MAY NOT BE SO. OUTSIDE THAT MEMBERS OF THESAME AGBO ILE WHETHER SLAVE OR FREE BORN ARE BRETHREN. THEY DONT MARRY EACH OTHER SINCE THEY ARE FAMILY. IF THEY TRAVEL OUT, THEY HELP EACH OTHER AND BRING UP EACH OTHERS CHILDREN. YOU CAN MARRY FROM A DIFFERENT AGBO ILE. SLAVE CAN MARRY FREE BORN AND PEOPLE TRAVEL FOR BUSINESS AND TRADE. NO MOVEMENT RESTRICTION. HOWEVER, ONLY FREE BORNS ARE OGBONI MEMBERS SO AS TO REDUCE CROWD BUT A HIGH RANKING AND WELL RESPECTED SLAVE MAY ATTAIN OGBONI STATUS AS A RESULT OF CONTRIBUTION TO SOCIETY. WHEN YOU ADD EVERYTHING TOGETHER, YOU FIND THREE QUARTERS OF THE PEOPLE ARE SLAVES. NO BIG DEAL THERE AND SOMETHING SIMILAR WAS THE CASE ACROSS THE GLOBE TO ENSURE FULL EMPLOYMENT UNDER COMMUNISM WHERE NO ONE IS LEFT BEHIND. |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by lawani: 4:10pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Olu317: NDI IN IGBO IS LIKE IDI IN YORUBA. IT IS THESAME WORD MEANING HOME BASE. NDI OWERRI MEANS OWERRI PEOPLE, NDI ONITSHA MEANS ONITSHA PEOPLE, NDI ANAMBRA IS ANAMBRA PEOPLE. SO, WHEN THEY GATHER, THEY ADDRESS THE GATHERING AS NDI GBO WHICH MEANS EVERYBODY. THAT IS HOW NDIGBO WAS ARRIVED AT. IT MEANS EVERYBODY. 1 Like |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Obalufon: 9:51pm On Sep 18, 2017 |
Olu317:you right 100% |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 7:02am On Oct 02, 2017 |
Obalufon:Hello bro, how are you doing? |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by ademijuwonlo(f): 11:27pm On Mar 11 |
dejavski: Most of Yoruba peoples migrated from Ife and olokun is celebrated in ile-ife. |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by ademijuwonlo(f): 11:54pm On Mar 11 |
dejavski: Even Ibadan has different monarchy system from the other Yorubas . |
Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by lawani: 8:06am On Mar 12 |
ademijuwonlo: You people always shoot over the pole. Benin was no different from IJESA,Owo or Itsekiri in the past by language and etc. They were the same people and Yoruba was the language of the Benin empire. If they rebuild the empire as it was, do you think they will be speaking Edo?. Of course not. Edo was spoken only in the suburbs of Benin city. It was never spoken inside the city in the past and the city was a large city of that era. The Edo who own the land re entered the city when the empire collapsed. 1 Like |
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