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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dmcdad: 10:46am On Jan 19, 2017 |
Greatihex:The same way Iniesta is no longer good enough to start, right? Smh for you. So when a coach decides to rest a player because of the running-fixtures every 3 days, it's now the talk of the town. Besides, it was a good time to rest him as we played a lowly placed side, at home for that matter. If you can't rest him in such a match and give others playing time, then I wonder when he would be rested. Plus, the last time he didn't start a game (in the league) was over a year ago barring injuries or like when he was at the Olympics. So you guys should take a chill pill. Suárez was taken off 30 minutes before the end of the game too. Just watch and see, if we can kill our game tonight, then I can bet Suárez and even Messi would be rested in the return fixture at the Camp Nuo next week. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dmcdad: 10:48am On Jan 19, 2017 |
CONTEDDICTED:Una don start again... Ahh! Hazard has got nothing, I mean absolutely nothing on Neymar! Neymar's bad spell is Hazard's best, come to think of it. Tell me what Hazard has done that Neymar has not done better... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 11:11am On Jan 19, 2017 |
Ibime:The truth is this, it is the first time Pep is 100% handling transfer dealings. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 2:23pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
CONTEDDICTED:lol |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 2:43pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
hensben: Pep isn't 100% handling transfer dealings. Basically City are actively aping the Barcelona model. They signed a former Barca vice-president to be their CEO and former Barca Director of Football 4 years ago to start shaping the club in the image of Barca tactically and in the transfer market. Pep is really just the head coach- though he has a say in who gets bought, Soriano and Gbegiri-stain are the key men in player acquisition. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nitlad: 2:57pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Nihilist: In other words, they were building the team in his direction. Preparing the ground for him. Yet, here they are. . . |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 3:01pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
dmcdad:how can you rest someone who just came back from a break. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 3:15pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
nitlad: Exactly... It's not really Pep's fault that City started the season with four 30+ year old fullbacks, Virtually no DM, and only one serviceable centre-back.. Pep's main mistakes have been Hart/Bravo, and insisting on playing a style that he doesn't seem to have the legs for. I don't think I can blame him for City's failings in the market. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dmcdad: 4:07pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Greatihex:Come on bro, don't be myopic, you should know better than this. Accumulated fatigue is the answer bro. I need not preach much on that, as much as I know, you know what accumulated fatigue is, hence no point overflogging this. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 4:45pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Nihilist: How exactly is it not peps fault city started the season with 30+ fullbacks with no Dms? I mean this guy knew for months he was heading to manCity. He made stones his only option not minding the 30+ full backs plus CBs in mangala, otamendi and Kompany. There is no excuse for Pep bruv. None..... 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 4:46pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
dmcdad:why is he the only one being rested? Why is messi nt being rested? How many matches has he played since returning from break? If that is how serious a threat the accumulated fatigue can pose, what then is the fate of players in the epl who play in three or four competitions without a break? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 4:58pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Nihilist: Pep knew about the man city's job, months before his arrival. I dont think he wouldn't have informed city the players he needed to add before the season started. For a coach who advised chelsea to add 11 players, i dont think he would have accepted city's offer without telling them his targets to execute his plans. His problem was that he underrated the epl. May be, seeing leicester winning the league gave him a wrong impression and confidence, that was baloney. He was informed about the importance of second balls very late, among other stuffs. He personally forced hart out and brought bravo in. He is mainly responsible for the failure. 12 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 5:20pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
airmark: diggz: Of course Pep knew the squad he was going to be working with. Marti Perenau followed Pep around for one full year at Bayern Munich when he was writing his book on the Bald Spaniard. He was allowed on to the training field, into the gyms and dressing rooms and into the players’ restaurant. This is what he has to say: Pep took on the job because he knew that he would be able to work without feeling that he was shattering long-established customs and practices. City was a blank canvas and he would be free to create as he saw fit. If this account is to be believed, then it's not like Pep did not go in there and not ask for new fullbacks or other players. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dmcdad: 6:17pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Greatihex:Seriously? Was he the only one benched? Was Iniesta not benched too? Haba na... Talking about accumulated Fatigue, tell me any EPL player who has played more matches than Neymar in the last 2 years. You forget we progress in lotta competitions that we end up playing many more matches than even clubs from the EPL. Now tell me, Madrid played two-legged matches against Sevilla a fortnight ago and the return leg last week and Ronaldo didn't play any. Imagine playing an opponent like Sevilla, yet Ronaldo was benched both home and away. From what you have been gasping on, it is safe to say Ronaldo is being benched now. Right? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 6:50pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Nihilist: There's every possibility that during pre-season when he evaluated the players on ground, he changed his mind on his earlier list. He reprioritised and contented with sagna and others. Also, just as conte chased some targets unsuccessfully in summer, it is possible pep might not be successful with his targeted full backs. Not having new full backs is not enough to say he wasn't allowed to run the market. What we are very sure of is, he personally brought stones, bravo,gundongan,sane, jesus, nolito and favoured iheanacho pushed bony out on loan. A great manager will still bring out the best out of what is on ground, that he has failed to do.
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 6:59pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Wait oh!!! Are we saying sagna,zabaleta,clichy and kolarov are right offs bcuz they are 30+? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 7:18pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
dmcdad:ok, let me just agree that you have won. We still dy here. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 7:23pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
diggz: They are only just 30 for the most part. Peak age for defenders is 28-32. No mind those excuses. These are serviceable fullbacks for any other club. How old are Antonio Valencia, Gary Cahill, Monreal sef? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 7:28pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
airmark: That's entering the world of speculation. You don't know if he changed his mind to become content with those players. The key thing being debated is how culpable for man city's failings in the market. The only thing that we know for sure is that Pep specifically asked for fullbacks from his team - He did not get them. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 7:34pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
diggz: Sagna is decent. The other 3 have been writeoffs since only God knows when. Kolarov has never even been a decent defender in his life. Anyway, another manager might have found away to hide the deficiencies of his defenders by putting them in community defence like Cahill, Luiz, etc. Pep decided that he still wants to play a particular brand of football with players that definitely cannot play that style - That's where I feel he got it wrong. But I can't see how he can be blamed in the transfer market. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dmcdad: 7:36pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Greatihex:If in a crunch tie like tonight's him no play, then you can say whatever and I wouldn't go against it. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 7:44pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Nihilist: Failing to get those full backs may be caused by other factors, other than what you thought of. Anyways, that doesn't mean that he was not the one handling the signings, which was the crux of arguement. If no one could stop him from ejecting hart, i dont think anyone would have stopped him from getting those full backs, if he didn't change his mind. Two of his signings, have performed woefully and brought man city to her knees. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 7:49pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
For me, the only reason pep is nt doing as expected is because he underrated epl, because i think he can do beta than he is doing currently. As for bravo, wat is happening to him is normal of what happens to almost every keeper that comes to the epl at first. Courtious, de gea and many others experienced it. He will come good. I believe that. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 7:54pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Greatihex: De Gea was never this bad nor was Courtois...Bravo is just shite and Guardiola is even shittier for putting Bravo in place of Hart. How can two teenagers Lookman and Davies use your nEt shine in the same game....Did he come to The EPL to play Tiki Taka or save shots?... ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 7:58pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
airmark: I can only blame Pep for Bravo if I'm being completely honest... and i said as much in my original post.We all know that Pep chased Hart away for Claudio Basket. I can't blame Pep for Stones - Stones was always going to go to a big club last summer. There was too much hype around him being a young English ball playing defender. We bid 40m for the boy if you recall. Manyoo and Barca were also reportedly chasing him too. City were just the only ones willing to pay Maga money for the boy, otherwise he would have been some other team's problem by now. So it's not as if Pep had identified him as one badass defender...he was quite simply a HYPE buy, like Sterling the year before. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 8:11pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Nihilist: I understand , but pep still fell for the hype at 50m and that's no fault of anyone other than his. May be conte would have 'taught him tackles' and improved just as luiz improved pre-aguero's lunge. Pep went for a defender with footworks, with no interest in improving his defensive ability and now he is reaping the bad fruits. He is responsible for it bro and even shows he is not as great a coach as some thought. Just as bravo has forgotten how to use his hands to save shots, stones is playing terribly defensively. He will become worse, because his coach ''don't train tackles, what is tackle?''. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Havilah93(m): 8:19pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Senegal looks the real deal. They are definitely through to the QF. As long as Sadio Mane is off Liverpool grounds until further notice. How far do Senegal need to go to keep Mane off the Liverpool team to face us? Quarters or Semis? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CONTEDDICTED: 8:25pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Where is Brester?? Long time Cute girl with nice footy knowledge ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 8:26pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
airmark: Pep doesn't have access to the Man City Bank Account - He is not the one that decides whether Stones is worth 50 million pounds. All he can do is recommend in the same way Jose did. The difference is that guy holding the purse string at Chelsea decided that Stones was worth 40m max - while at City that is being bankrolled by State Budget, Money is really no object - They are the same people that bought Mangala for 35m. You're coming back to pragmatism in the second half of your post, and that is something I agree with having stated in my original post: Pep's main mistakes have been Hart/Bravo, and insisting on playing a style that he doesn't seem to have the legs for. We can all see that these players don't have the legs to play the kind of demanding football that Pep wants to play. He might be able to succeed in his chosen style if he had gotten new defenders in the market which he didn't for whatever reason. Its his refusal to switch up the style and work to the tools that he has that I can blame him for. He's trying to be Picasso with Children's Crayons. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 8:38pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Brightwood:true. Courtious and de gea were never this bad, but the barcelona bravo could at least save shots to save his life. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Spy360(m): 8:41pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
diggz:My brother I tire o... Only City has this luxury of 4 experienced fullbacks. Now some pessimist turn it to 4 oldmen because na Pep. They only need to look at Liverpool to have their senses sorted. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Spy360(m): 8:45pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Nihilist:lol So Pep is the best coach with the best players? Put another way,... Pep is an average coach with average players. ![]() |
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