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Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by whoyoube: 1:54pm On Jan 19, 2017
This explanation is to demonstrate, not to those who know that Ponzi schemes are fraudulent, and attempt to cash out before its inevitable collapse (leaving later participants to lose everything), but to those who actually believe such a system is sustainable. Those who say things like "if these people hadn't been so greedy", "if the media hadn't scared everyone away", "if...", "if...", "if..."

ONCE AGAIN, the intended audience of this lecture is not for those who understand the fraudulent and unsustainable nature of Ponzi schemes, but to educate those who do not.

In this very simplistic example, there are no referral bonuses, no one running away and stealing money from the system, no "media or government interference" affecting victim participant confidence.

Most Ponzi schemes pretend to invest in some odd commodity, to give a plausible reason to investors for the growth of their investments. But in reality, the only monetary input comes from new investors. For this reason, it is IMPOSSIBLE to sustain indefinitely, as there is a FINITE number of humans on this planet. Even if newborn babies were recruited into the scheme as they were being born, the exponential growth of the debt incurred by paying old investors with the investments of new investors is impossible to keep up with.

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by whoyoube: 1:55pm On Jan 19, 2017
For a more comprehensive mathematical proof and explanation, feel free to read this analysis by the CEO of the Actuarial Society of South Africa, Mike McDougall:

Mathematical proof Ponzi, pyramid schemes will fail
May 30 2016 13:29


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Cape Town - Faced with empty wallets and rising costs, thousands of South Africans are placing their faith in “get rich quick” schemes that lure desperate consumers with promises of unrealistic investment returns.

However, whether a Ponzi or a pyramid scheme, it can be mathematically proven that such schemes will eventually collapse and leave investors with nothing.

Ponzi and pyramid schemes are essentially the same, with both relying on contributions from new investors to pay existing investors the promised returns. These are usually totally unrealistic and not comparable to returns achieved by legitimate savings and investment products.

While investors in a pyramid scheme know that they need to recruit new members to maintain the flow of funds, Ponzi schemes claim to make legitimate investments but instead use the funds to enrich founders rather than for any legitimate business purposes.

Given the current furore around MMM, described as a social financial network, Mike McDougall, CEO of the Actuarial Society of South Africa, was motivated to do some number crunching to show in simple, yet no uncertain terms, why such schemes are destined to fail.

“It can be stated with absolute certainty that these schemes will eventually collapse, leaving many people financially destitute, while only the founders and a few early participants make considerable gains,” he said.

“There are essentially two reasons for this. Firstly, if a scheme is paying out more than is being earned, it will run out of money. Secondly, such schemes need continuing growth in new members to sustain payments to existing members, and the reality is that they will ultimately run out of new investors,” he said.

“The only uncertainty is when the collapse will happen, which depends on how quickly the fund is growing and how much bigger the declared yields are than the actual investment earnings on the funds invested.”

Example of scheme

To demonstrate, McDougall points to the simple example of a scheme that begins with 100 members who each invest R1 000 with a promised return of 30% per month. Every month 100 additional members join the scheme and each invests the same amount until the scheme collapses. Members receive their first payment the month after they make their investment.

In this example, the scheme begins with 100 members and total funds of R100 000. In the second month, there are 200 members and the fund closes with R170 000 after paying dividends of R30 000 to the founding members.

The total dividends paid rapidly escalate each month as the membership base increases, until the scheme reaches its seventh month. In its seventh month, the scheme begins with R70 000 and receives an additional R100 000 from new investors. However, the scheme must now pay total dividends of R210 000 to its numerous members, leaving it in debt of R40 000. Instead of R300 each investor only gets R243 and the scheme collapses.

Table: From hero to zero



Propping the scheme up

“With more rapid growth in members or lower pay-outs, the scheme would continue for longer, but the result would ultimately be the same,” notes McDougall.

As pyramid schemes rely on snaring new members, he emphasised that you should be wary of being dazzled by testimonies of high returns by people already in a scheme.

“The reality is that by the time you join a scheme, you may just be propping the scheme up so that early joiners can profit at your expense. You and other new investors may never recoup even your initial capital amount, let alone make a return on your investment,” he warns.

Using the same example of a scheme as above, McDougall put the numbers together to demonstrate the difference in returns between early joiners and late joiners of a pyramid scheme.

If you were a member who entered the scheme at its inception with an investment of R1 000, you would have earned total returns of R2 043 by the seventh month when the scheme fails. This means that your return would have totalled an overwhelming 22% per month.

However, if you had only joined the scheme in its sixth month, you would only have earned R243 back on your investment, representing a loss of 76%. If you had entered in the seventh month as the scheme collapsed, you would have lost your entire investment.

Table: How to lose your investment



“Those entering the scheme early can therefore make spectacular returns despite losing all their capital, while those joining later lose money. It’s a classic example of robbing Peter to pay Paul. The people who get in early are usually the founders of the scheme and those close to them,” he said.

How to identify a Ponzi scheme

McDougall emphasised that you as an investor must learn to recognise the warning signs that a company is promising the impossible. “As the saying goes, if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is,” he said.

He notes that the online world particularly has enabled a potentially devastating unregulated digital pyramid scheme market to flourish, demonstrated by the recent collapse of the Republic of Bitcoin arm of MMM Global.

“In seductively worded websites, a lack of control and regulation and the risk of losing everything are presented in a way that seems inconsequential and liberating – even when there are warnings to only invest ‘spare’ cash,” he said.

He adds that some of these unregulated pyramid schemes have no formal structure or central control, relying only on the continuing donations and investments of an expanding community of loyal supporters.

He notes that with the collapse of, among others, two infamous Ponzi and pyramid schemes in the last few decades, there has been a tightening of regulatory and control environments. “But even these cannot be an absolute guarantee against fundamentally crooked or high-risk operations, especially online,” he said.

These two schemes were Ponzi scheme Masterbond and pyramid scheme Bernie L. Madoff Investment Securities.

Masterbond claimed falsely to be a bank where deposits were guaranteed by the South African Reserve Bank, promising investors high returns from real estate developments. Prominent businessman Bernie Madoff’s United States-based investment firm also appeared to consistently outperform the market index and competitors.

“While the honeymoon lasted, members were paid better than market returns on their funds. In reality, very few investments were actually made by Masterbond, and Madoff inflated returns. Investors eventually lost everything,” he explained.

Always ask these questions:

Before entering into an investment, or making an ‘online donation’ with the hope of high returns, McDougall therefore suggests you ask the following questions:

1. How are returns generated? Legitimate investment schemes are transparent. You should be able to understand the scheme’s underlying assets. Even when derivative structures are used, you should be given enough information to understand your risks and potential returns.

2. How aggressively are you being pursued to join? Legitimate investment schemes generate returns from invested assets, where fraudulent schemes rely heavily on funds from new members to pay existing members.

3. How do returns compare with other similar products? If returns are unusually high, be very cautious.

4. How is the scheme regulated and audited? Regulators and auditors are not foolproof, but the lack of a solid regulatory structure means that no one can hold your scheme accountable for its practices or returns.

He said that if you are not comfortable with any of the answers to your question, you should rather walk away from the scheme.

“This is your hard-earned money, so treat it with care. Do your research and do not simply choose to believe what people promoting a scheme and their website tell you.”

http://www.fin24.com/Money/Investments/mathematic-proof-ponzi-pyramid-schemes-will-fail-20160530

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Nobody: 2:10pm On Jan 19, 2017
Highly educative

Mods should move this to fp

Cc Lalasticala

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by AntiWailer: 2:18pm On Jan 19, 2017
It is actually common sense that does not need plenty Mathematics.

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Nobody: 2:21pm On Jan 19, 2017
AntiWailer:
It is actually common sense that does not need plenty Mathematics.

Some people need unequivocal proof or they will continue to come up with excuses for why it failed

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by VictorRomanov: 2:35pm On Jan 19, 2017
kalindaminda:


Some people need unequivocal proof or they will continue to come up with excuses for why it failed


Even with the proof, some persons still won't learn. I've come to see that greed can overshaddow all sense of reasoning and logic. I know some persons who were initially against MMM. They knew it was a Ponzi scheme. However, immediately they heard people were buying cars, or getting married through MMM, greed set in and they abandoned all their preaching. The key word here is Greed and not necessarily ignorance.

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Nobody: 2:38pm On Jan 19, 2017
VictorRomanov:



Even with the proof, some persons still won't learn. I've come to see that greed can overshaddow all sense of reasoning and logic. I know some persons who were initially against MMM. They knew it was a Ponzi scheme. However, immediately they heard people were buying cars, or getting married through MMM, greed set in and they abandoned all their preaching. The key word here is Greed and not necessarily ignorance.

You're actually right. Sadly, they're the ones who lose the most money.

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by izzy4shizzy(m): 9:47pm On Jan 19, 2017
I haf tire
Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by worlexy(m): 9:47pm On Jan 19, 2017
Some of them are lamenting that MMM failed in its promise not to freeze their accounts in December, I asked them if they don't understand what Jesus meant when he said his second coming will be "like a thief in the night". You think the organizers are foolish to have told you the time their scam will collapse? Take heart, the collapse has simply come like a thief in the night

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by FellepHq(m): 9:48pm On Jan 19, 2017
I wanted someone to do this maths proof since, thanks alot.

I knew mathematically it was not sustainable, but I didn't pay attention to my advance calculus very well, so I was finding it had to create a mathematical expression to show the regression and pile up of debt.

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Nobody: 9:48pm On Jan 19, 2017
Lol.
If say my money dey MMM ehn, I for done deactivate by now_ before Seun and NL give me high-bp.

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by zinachidi(m): 9:48pm On Jan 19, 2017
they won't hear.

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by siegfried99(m): 9:48pm On Jan 19, 2017
MMM

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by helphelp: 9:49pm On Jan 19, 2017
Together we change the world indeed...

Awon weyrey

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by STFUand4kMeHARD(m): 9:49pm On Jan 19, 2017
grin Chuddy and his crooks are on Nairaland. They will still come up with lame posts to keep milking the brainless greedy goats. cheesy

maGREEDians are Nitwits wink
maVRODians are brainless grin

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Nobody: 9:50pm On Jan 19, 2017
Now where is the scammer after scamming the scammers? wink

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by dingbang(m): 9:50pm On Jan 19, 2017
Even at dat, people still do such....

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Nobody: 9:51pm On Jan 19, 2017
It's disappointing when I hear educated people say a ponzi scheme is sustainable or can change the world.

But then, not every educated person is smart or intelligent.

MMM: MILKING MILLIONS OF MUGUS

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Lennylinconlee(m): 9:51pm On Jan 19, 2017
simple analysis.....
Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by dayleke: 9:51pm On Jan 19, 2017
Sorry o
Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by babseg(m): 9:53pm On Jan 19, 2017
ABEG NOW ENOUGH OF THIS MMM

I HAVEN'T STILL RECOVERED YET

I DONT EVEN WANT TO COME ON NAIRALAND ANYMORE

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Nobody: 9:53pm On Jan 19, 2017
Nairaland, you guys have really tried

honestly, you have played your part in trying to alert people which is what every patriotic Nigerian should do.

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Havilah93(m): 9:53pm On Jan 19, 2017
NNN Nigeria is the new craze... And I thought it was a joke too until I googled it and found out that they present 35% in 21 days grin grin grin

They say "Navro" instead of "Mavro"

I don't know if I should laugh or shake my head sad

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by satowind(m): 9:54pm On Jan 19, 2017
Nairaland is now mmm tutorial class is OK they have heard or u want them to commit suicide first
Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Olasco93: 9:54pm On Jan 19, 2017
Anything created out of human wisdom is bound to fail. That's the very reason why God is regarded as Almighty. His own financial principle never fail.

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Olateef(m): 9:54pm On Jan 19, 2017
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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Silentscreamer(f): 9:56pm On Jan 19, 2017
Even with dis mathematical proof, mmm zombies will still come and refute it. #Saynotogambling

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Nobody: 9:57pm On Jan 19, 2017
Rubbish post. Ponzi is the easiest way of making cash. It all depends on luck. Nobody is forcing you, so stop hating and allow the courageous ones to try their luck. You dont have any idea of what being broke means

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by Ekakamba: 9:57pm On Jan 19, 2017
Have you tried OOO? 419% a month. Quote me for more details.

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Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by BiafranBushBoy: 9:57pm On Jan 19, 2017
FellepHq:
I wanted someone to do this maths proof since, thanks alot.

I knew mathematically it was not sustainable, but I didn't pay attention to my advance calculus very well, so I was finding it had to create a mathematical expression to show the regression and pile up of debt.

You've done well, I will have to copy your graph for reference purpose please.

Go and develop your own. Copy Copy
Re: Why Ponzi Schemes Always Fail (Graphic And Mathematical Proof) by noskeybaba: 9:59pm On Jan 19, 2017
You no do the calculation and equation since the thing start last year, now wey people money don loss, you come dey give them high bp. Infact the thunder wey Go fire una dey come from Buhari's 2017 budget. angry

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