irokobest:


The example of Jezebel is enough to warn any group of Christians to refrain from permitting their women to peddle with the word of God. There are other good works women should do in support of God's work so as to be saved. Rev.2:20-23

Men like Moses, Joshua, Daniel, David, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah and a host of others were clearly shown in the Bible that they were ordained by God. But can you cite any instance to show that God appointed any woman at any time to lead or teach His people?

, St. Paul says: "Let all things be done decently and in order." God is against lawlessness, presumptuousness and confusion. 1 Corinthians 14: 33.40.

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felixomor:
@ the op, do you want to become a pastor?

There is nothing wrong with it.
Any sincere God-fearing pastor wont go to hell, man or woman.

Shalom

AgbenuAnna:
No





will any born again woman go to hell


no

Haphard:
In the spiritual realm, there is no gender bro, so far a woman is ready 2work 4God, ion think there is anytin wrong with that.. Not any woman, a woma full of the holy spirit...

joe4real12:
Fvck hell!
What da Fvck is hell? Cheap tool to deceive gullible people.

Laveda:
What if at the end of all these we find out there's no hell?

Oh well, do what is right, I don't think a woman being a pastor is bad tho..

samuelezekiel:


But we are not in the spiritual realm.

MaziOmenuko:
Paul was just a male-supremist who has little or no regard for women. At some point in the Bible, he was advising young unmarried men to be like him and remain single; then asking them to only get married if the konji becomes unbeaeable; what a dofus! So to him, the only reason for marriage is to fvck.

And the way he so wrote against relatnship in the Bible tells who he must be a sadist; no adultery, no funication, if u must kiss it ought to be a holy kiss; dude was just myopic.

MaziOmenuko:
Paul was just a male-supremist who has little or no regard for women. At some point in the Bible, he was advising young unmarried men to be like him and remain single; then asking them to only get married if the konji becomes unbeaeable; what a dofus! So to him, the only reason for marriage is to fvck.

And the way he so wrote against relatnship in the Bible tells who he must be a sadist; no adultery, no funication, if u must kiss it ought to be a holy kiss; dude was just myopic.

Milonis:


No, brother, that was never a case of worth. You need to find Bibles with commentary and read about women apostles

Lsofdk:
First to answer your question, they're safe and are not bound to go to hell for carrying and spreading the Word of Life, the third sentence in John 3: 16 assures them of that, of which they've stepped beyond believing to making others believe.

You see some female evangelist are also recorded in the new testament, Priscilla wife to Aquila, Phoebe to mention a few, you can't say that these women were mere silent listeners to have earned the commendation of Paul in Romans 16: 1

Paul's intentions in the passages you quoted shouldn't be digested directly. I think there's more to that

Lalasticlala what do you think?

obiorathesubtle:
Ive stopped trying to understand the Bible.




It doesn't really matter what sex you are, if you're found worthy, you'd make heaven..



Women, as well as men, are God's creation..

CentaurXXX:
Well now that I think about it... There was no Woman Prophet in the Bible. Hence, What He said in the scriptures is true. No Woman Should be allowed to preach or talk in church.

But now, It's all different. You've got Women Pastors, Prophets. Sure Jesus said "Go ye and preach the gospel..." But we should also remember those that were with him on that day. His disciples, The Men.

Lalasticlala.

samuelezekiel:


There was a woman prophet (prophetess) Deborah by name also a Judge... But the Bible never said she preached in a church.

Kagawa10:


Paul didn't acknowledge that it was coming from the Lord. He stated that Church should acknowledge his commandment from him as their leader. Note that Paul stated that we should listen to our leader and acknowledge them because they were ordained by God and their commandments are no different from that of God to set things straight. (Romans 13:1-5, Hebrews 13:17)

Like I stated earlier, Paul's admonition to the Ephesians, Corrithians etc were not wrong because in those age, few women were knowledgeable hence, principles were set down for them to put orders in the Church.

Normally, we are no more under any law but under grace which is sufficient enough to help us live right in Christ Jesus however, principles are bound to be laid down by every Church leaders and the Church are advised to obey them. And I asked, is Paul your Church's leader?

saintmark88:


This one don twist Bible o..... I just put out there verse he clearly stated that the command was from the Lord (L) in capital letter, and ur twisting it to suit what u want to believe...... He never said they should acknowledge that the command was coming from him, he said the Lord.... So why r u now ascribing that Lord to mean Paul, or is Paul the Lord.... I will like you to quote 1corr 14:37....from ur Bible let's c, weda it was from d Lord or from Him

Kagawa10:


Paul stated that they should acknowledge it's coming from the Lord! He never said it's coming from the Lord. You're the one doing the twisting bro!

saintmark88:


Pls enlighten me, I seem to have lost touch with English language...... Wen some one askes u acknowledge that a command is coming from the Lord, pls how is it differnt from its coming from the Lord??...enlighten me

fromnigeria:
There is thetefore no Jews nor Gentile, Circumsized nor Uncircumcized.

makydebbie:



So back to this day..... I have a question that need an answer or answers.....

In the light of everything said here and said in the Bible and seen in the Bible and in the light of the fact that we have reputable and influential Women ministers who are doing great things or who seem to be doing great things in the world today...

enigmatique:

God bless you bro! That's the point. There isn't any discrimination or divide anymore. (Galatians 3:28)

I really believe that those commands by Paul were time and culture specific. It was just like the command to Timothy to drink alcohol for his illness. Do we do that today? No. So, this issue of women not leading is misguided at best and due to male ego at worst. Either way, it's wrong.

randomperson:
Op, Deborah and Esther never preached in church. Deborah was a judge while Esther was a queen. The bible was clear when it said that women should be quiet... It was reiterated in other places too, all in the new testament...
The only reason the church and Christians allow women to preach now is because the church is trying to modify it's principles to align with the general ideals of this time and age. When the bible was written, women were not considered equal to men... In fact the bible explicitly says woman was made for man and not man for woman.
This just goes to show that the bible and it's principles are not infallible and not for all times and purposes

MaziOmenuko:
Paul was just a male-supremist who has little or no regard for women. At some point in the Bible, he was advising young unmarried men to be like him and remain single; then asking them to only get married if the konji becomes unbeaeable; what a dofus! So to him, the only reason for marriage is to fvck.

And the way he so wrote against relatnship in the Bible tells who he must be a sadist; no adultery, no funication, if u must kiss it ought to be a holy kiss; dude was just myopic.

makydebbie:
This issue of women/female pastors is a very delicate one and I want to know something once and for all....

Now I know views may differ but we all know the Bible is our absolute "as Christians."
But again in this same Bible we can find some paradoxical situations/scenarios and please before you get me wrong, by "paradoxical" I specifically refer to:

"A claim that two apparently contradictory ideas are true" or.

"An unanswerable question or difficult puzzle, particularly one which leads to a deeper truth."


I don't deal with the self-contradictory angle of paradox here.... Just wanted to be clear on that.



Now sometimes ago, I visited this church and the pastor that day preached like someone who was spoiling for a fight.... Well maybe because he was talking about women or probably it is because he was just being passionate about his preaching..... Whatever it was, that's not the issue.


The issue is what he preached about, "Women pastors and the place of women in the Kingdom of God especially in the church..."


The pastor said that any woman who is found behind the pulpit preaching as an ordained Pastor or preacher is in error and in total disobedience to God's Word and because God hates disobedience, these women will end up in hell.

Boyyy! He went on and on and even gave scriptures which I will drop here soon.

Now my mind started to wander to all the reputable women preachers I know.... From the Karthryn Kuhlmans of the past to the late Bimbo Odukoyas of the recent past and to the Arch-Bishop Margaret Idahosa, and even Pastor Paula White of the present.... Any for the future? (Time will tell)


Now, The Holy scriptures in the book of 1Corinthians chapter 14 vs 34 says, "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak but they are to be submissive to, as the law also says."

Now we know it was the apostle Paul speaking here and he went on to add in verse 35 of same scripture, the following,

"And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church."



In verses 36, 37 and 38, Apostle Paul said strong words which makes me ask.......

But why do we still have Highly anointed women ministers being used by God to wrought miracles globally and take the gospel to many?

Why isn't God limiting their power or influence if they are to keep shut in the church? Or am I missing something?


Okay here is another scripture about this issue:

I Timothy.2v 8-15 says a lot but I will pick the key verses which is verses 11 and 12....


"Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman TO TEACH or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence"

This was Paul writing to Timothy who was pastor of the Ephesian church.

The scriptures above said that women are not allowed to teach.... But then what happened in the case of Kathryn Kuhlman?? She was mightily used of God and taught the bible in ways that influenced many Christians till this day........


Did God make an exception of her here? Or am I still missing something?


We also have seen that in the same Bible that harbors the two key scriptures above, there was a woman named Deborah.... **quite a coincidence is it?**


Deborah was judge over all Israel... She was a prophetess and a Judge meaning she was spiritual leader and Also Ruler of Israel in those days. This could also mean that she taught the people God's ways and we know in the new testament that a woman is not to teach or have authority over the man.

Why was Deborah's case different? Even Queen Esther is another example... She was kinda a leader figure to her fellow Jews in her days with Mordecai as her guardian and mentor.

She (Esther) played her role well. So well in fact that Hamann, Israel's enemy was destroyed and Israel saved from annihilation.

The stories of Deborah and Esther can be found in the books of Judges chapters 4 and 5 And Esther chapters 1 to 10.


So back to this day..... I have a question that need an answer or answers.....

In the light of everything said here and said in the Bible and seen in the Bible and in the light of the fact that we have reputable and influential Women ministers who are doing great things or who seem to be doing great things in the world today...

poik:





A preacher once said, if its a Bible question, it has a Bible answer.

To begin with, and to answer your question point blank, a woman has absolutely NO business behind the pulpit preaching to men.
First, the position of pastor, teacher, evangelist, prophet, and apostle ie the ascension gifts of Ephesians 4.11 is the new testament equivalent of the priests of the Levitical days. there were NEVER women holding that office.

Secondly, an express reason was given by apostle Paul for prohibiting a woman from teaching the Word: she was in the transgression, not the man ie referring to Eve. 1 Timothy 2.9-11
The Deborah and Esther people are talking about were judges, Esther was not even a leader even though she played a pivotal role in saving her people. We are talking about priestly offices here, bringing Gods mind to people directly from the throne of grace by inspiration. it is NEVER a woman's place. Deborah even as a judge did not lead Israel to war. Remember, at that time Israel had gone apostate worshipping idols and God did that to provoke them to jealousy. Read Isaiah 3.

Again, about Apostle Paul. Under inspiration, he said, I am an apostle to the Gentiles and I magnify my office. That is not just the bragging rights of an overzealous, selfseeking preacher. it is a statement of gospel fact given under direct inspiration from the heavens. Remember that he was the replacement from God directly, for Judas who went to perdition. in Galatians 1.8 he said, if we, or an angel from heaven come to preach any other gospel other than that which which we have preached, let him be accursed. this is no mere fluke. This is exactly Gods mind.

This is not an attempt to undermine the female gender, but there are certain pronouncements in the Scriptures that will not change until the Millenial reign of Christ in righteousness. the underlying curse Eve received was that because she listened to the serpent instead of her husband, the man WILL RULE OVER HER. She was not in a position to be equal to the man, but to be in perpetual subjection. check the various census figures in the Scriptures. Women were not included. God is meticulous and detailed in His dealings, through to the end.
The fact that they may be doing great things is NOT Gods business. Remember the Bible account of the people who will be shut out of His Kingdom despite doing mighty things in His name? God is not sentimental. To the law and the testimony, if they speak not according to this Word, it is because there is no light in them- Isaiah 8.20

Another thing. the heaven we are going to has the apostles as its foundations, according to Revelation. This doctrine of women preaching is a core foundational doctrine of the apostles. as a matter of fact approaching there with any practice that has no apostolic backing in the Scriptures spells doom, if u ask me.

PaulKillerman:
that is the only use of women, to be forked...

jmoore:

So which apostle supports adultery and fornication?