Junia:


But Hebrews 7:2 says Abraham paid tithe

Read other translations....find out the greek translations....also find out scriptures that can relate with that scripture...remember "no scripture is of personal interpretation"....u must rightly divide the word of God by "matching" scripture with another related scripture....

dazzlingd:

pastors won't threaten you right? preach to you that tithe is freewill and not by force but read the book of Malachi to you how you are robbing God and how devourers will devour you if u don't pay...

Then give you many stories of how faithful tithe payers were miraculously saved from disasters and sudden calamities plus how unfaithful tithe payers are being devoured.
And if you like pay, if you like don't pay it's for your own good.. Lol, pls define threat to me because that's the height of emotional blackmail and threats

My brother, if your church preaches such, run away from that church and go to a bible leaving church. The pastor may be a wolf in sheep's clothing. In my church, tithe offerings and other offerings are done at the same time, no emphasis on tithe whatsoever and nobody places any undue pressure on anybody because you have not given any offering.

openmine:

Read other translations....find out the greek translations....also find out scriptures that can relate with that scripture...remember "no scripture is of personal interpretation"....u must rightly divide the word of God by "matching" scripture with another related scripture....

So what is the name given to what Abraham paid ??

Malolu:
Inasmuch as there are a lot of things we argue about in Christianity, we should always remember that the major purpose Jesus hasn't returned is for His news to be preached. The major chance He's giving us is to return to Him. For humanity to attain that spiritual perfection or "holiness" . Yes, a lot of things may have been mentioned by God through the law, it was all to make everything orderly as at that time, and show humans what do, how to live, how to be clean, how to relate with neighbors, with the ungodly and so on. It was all born out of a good intention from God. God wanted to see us perfect and living rightly. But it pained God's heart to see how burdensome this law was on human after all we are just flesh, He sent His son to us commanding to hear and obey Him so that we can attain that perfection which God always wanted even at Eden. If you like, continue living in deception and sin while you are giving and even "tithing". The eyes of God will never behold iniquity.
God is calling humanity back to repentance, perfection and holiness. That is the chief message. Let's not allow the enemy to distract. It's unfortunate one of these distractions is even pay tithe and receive financial gain from God. How many give to God's with a good intention, not showcasing. Let's all go back to God and His word through Christ for the sole purpose of that great commission!!!!

TRUE

openmine:

but thats exactly what u r implying...u r attributing ur success to the payment of ur tithes....u r in other words insinuating that God is giving u all the good things of life because you always pay ur tithes....non believers who read your statement will tag God as unjust and fraudulent...

Don't you think that is your imagination? If someone go out in a church to give testimony that God has been good to him, is that person mocking others in the same church that God has not been good to them?

kolaish:
I have not seen where pastors are threatening people to pay tithe, if there is any place like that let us know. Once again, it is voluntary (matter of choice). So, why the noise about tithe always. if your church is not following the bible as you presume, there are hundreds of churches around, simply move or better still, confront/ask your pastor the justification for tithe or are you afraid to confront your pastor about it? You bring up tithe matter always as if the church is all about tithe paying.

Tithe is not compulsory but if you dont pay!!!!! you know the devourer is awaiting you

see below what our con master, uncle Adeboye RCCG once sed.



“Go back and tell your members to stop robbing God. Tell them not to fail in the payment of their tithes and vows.
“The reason you must pay your tithes and vows,” he stressed, “is that nobody knows when trouble will come. When trouble comes, God has a defence for His people, but such defence cannot be extended to those who are disobedient to His Word.”

realmindz:


Tithe is not compulsory but if you dont pay!!!!! you know the devourer is awaiting you

see below what our con master, uncle Adeboye RCCG once sed.



“Go back and tell your members to stop robbing God. Tell them not to fail in the payment of their tithes and vows.
“The reason you must pay your tithes and vows,” he stressed, “is that nobody knows when trouble will come. When trouble comes, God has a defence for His people, but such defence cannot be extended to those who are disobedient to His Word.”

Brother tithing is a law

Junia:

God calls tithing a law

Where did he call it a law? Quote pls

My master didn't tell me to tithe

He did
Luke 11:42 WEB
But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every herb, but you bypass justice and God’s love. [b]You ought to have done these,(tithing)[/b]and not to have left the other undone.

Neither did the early Church

They did .

Tithing was not even money but Agricultural products

It's both . Did Abraham tithe agric produce

Thats why Jesus didn't tithe Because He wasn't involved in agriculture

If he encouraged it ,then he's a tither . Secondly people gave cash and wither items as tithes and offering.

Can I ask you a question? A man who sells dogs how does he give his tithes and offerings ?

realmindz:


Tithe is not compulsory but if you dont pay!!!!! you know the devourer is awaiting you

see below what our con master, uncle Adeboye RCCG once sed.



“Go back and tell your members to stop robbing God. Tell them not to fail in the payment of their tithes and vows.
“The reason you must pay your tithes and vows,” he stressed, “is that nobody knows when trouble will come. When trouble comes, God has a defence for His people, but such defence cannot be extended to those who are disobedient to His Word.”

Why not channel your complain/grievance to Adeboye and his church; I am very sure the G.O. and his church is on social media. For me, I have not seen anywhere in the bible where I have an obligation to challenge pastors on offerings generally. My obligation as given by the bible is to give and that is what I am commited to.

Junia:


So what is the name given to what Abraham paid ??

King jalmes version sais he gave "a tenth part. Even though tithe defined 'tenth part' but that of Abraham never fit's into The Main Definition of tithing as instituted with Israelite law that God actually gave as order to his people to follow

Junia:


So what is the name given to what Abraham paid ??

sorry for being rhetoric... if I came back from a far place and u offered me food and wine...in a show of goodwill,I also gave u wat I came with...wat u call dat?
now notice that Abram wud have given Melchizedek more than 10%,u wud have given much more than that...but he gave a tenth of the war spoils,of which he wasn't in any way compelled or forced to give....

so ur question.... it was simple and kind gesture by Abraham to give a 10th of the war spoils....not tithe!

but if I may ask....what is tithe?
and can you relate or match ur definition with wat transpired btw Abraham and Melchizedek in genesis?

MuttleyLaff:
The law of the Spirit has made tithe and offering redundant
Offering is not money, offering has to do with animal sacrifices, which are about Levitical offerings
You are conflating offering with collection
Am quite sure, you dont partake in animal sacrifices

You're lying or just being ignorant.

Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.


The Greek word for offering there is Prosphora which means the act of offering, a bringing to that which is offered, a gift, a present.

The same word was used in Ephesians 5:2
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

As you said offering has to do with animal sacrifices, it clearly shows you're in ignorance because the Bible said offering and a sacrifice... Two different things. Now, the word used there is prophora.

Heb 10:14
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Same word phosphora

That word was used in Hebrews 10:5, Hebrews 10:10 etc.

But in Hebrews 10:8 Paul used another word for "offering". In fact he used the two words together

Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;


Offering was clearly different from burnt offering (which Greek word is holokautōma). This shows you're very wrong to say

Offering is not money, offering has to do with animal sacrifices, which are about Levitical offerings

Then for those who say it's called collection and not offerings, they err.

Collections was used only once in the Bible (or at least new testament) and it's in 1 Corinthians 16:1 the Greek word is logia and it means money gathered for the relief of the poor... To say monies given in services is called collection is a huge lie and this is to make sure they don't call offerings as what they are prosphora, which is a gift or present (to God as an act of worship)

openmine:

Read other translations....find out the greek translations....also find out scriptures that can relate with that scripture...remember "no scripture is of personal interpretation"....u must rightly divide the word of God by "matching" scripture with another related scripture....

Hello.. Remember me?

I'm about to give you a heartache

petra1:


Where did he call it a law? Quote pls



He did
Luke 11:42 WEB
But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every herb, but you bypass justice and God’s love. [b]You ought to have done these,(tithing) [/b]and not to have left the other undone.




They did .



It's both . Did Abraham tithe agric produce



If he encouraged it ,then he's a tither . Secondly people gave cash and wither items as tithes and offering.

Can I ask you a question? A man who sells dogs how does he give his tithes and offerings ?

Why did you choose the WEB version
Matthew 23:23
Lets go to King James for better understanding
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

From here you can clearly see that Jesus called tithe a lighter part of the law
The pharisees and scribes chose the lighter part of the law and eschewed the weightier part of the law
And Jesus said they should do both

Did Jesus say Christians should tithe
Why didnt He tell His disciples to tithe but the pharisees

Abrahams tithe was from war booty
How many times did he even tithe ??
Is it not only once
Why didn't he continue doing it

Cash was given as tithe only when the giver wants to keep his produce
The money was again used to and buy the produce

No one paid tithe with a dog
We don't pay tithes with dogs

Junia:


Brother tithing is a law

It's before the law

Gombs:


You're lying or just being ignorant.

Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.


The Greek word for offering there is Prosphora which means the act of offering, a bringing to that which is offered, a gift, a present.

The same word was used in Ephesians 5:2
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

As you said offering has to do with animal sacrifices, it clearly shows you're in ignorance because the Bible said offering and a sacrifice... Two different things. Now, the word used there is prophora.

Heb 10:14
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Same word phosphora

That word was used in Hebrews 10:5, Hebrews 10:10 etc.

But in Hebrews 10:8 Paul used another word for "offering". In fact he used the two words together

Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;


Offering was clearly different from burnt offering (which Greek word is holokautōma). This shows you're very wrong to say



Then for those who say it's called collection and not offerings, they err.

Collections was used only once in the Bible (or at least new testament) and it's in 1 Corinthians 16:1 the Greek word is logia and it means money gathered for the relief of the poor... To say monies given in services is called collection is a huge lie and this is to make sure they don't call offerings as what they are prosphora, which is a gift or present (to God as an act of worship)

Thank you
You have made me understand it better

Junia:




Why did you choose the WEB version
Matthew 23:23
Lets go to King James for better understanding
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

From here you can clearly see that Jesus called tithe a lighter part of the law
The pharisees and scribes chose the lighter part of the law and eschewed the weightier part of the law
And Jesus said they should do both

Did Jesus say Christians should tithe
Why didnt He tell His disciples to tithe but the pharisees

Abrahams tithe was from war booty
How many times did he even tithe ??
Is it not only once
Why didn't he continue doing it

Cash was given as tithe only when the giver wants to keep his produce
The money was again used to and buy the produce

No one paid tithe with a dog
We don't pay tithes with dogs

Did Jesus condemn tithing?

Junia:


Thank you
You have made me understand it better

You're welcome bro

openmine:

sorry for being rhetoric... if I came back from a far place and u offered me food and wine...in a show of goodwill,I also gave u wat I came with...wat u call dat?
now notice that Abram wud have given Melchizedek more than 10%,u wud have given much more than that...but he gave a tenth of the war spoils,of which he wasn't in any way compelled or forced to give....

so ur question.... it was simple and kind gesture by Abraham to give a 10th of the war spoils....not tithe!

but if I may ask....what is tithe?
and can you relate or match ur definition with wat transpired btw Abraham and Melchizedek in genesis?

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The Hebrew and Greek words for “tithe” both simply mean “a tenth.
A tenth of everything is tithe

kolaish:
Don't you think that is your imagination? If someone go out in a church to give testimony that God has been good to him, is that person mocking others in the same church that God has not been good to them?

As Christians we must endeavor 2 show the very nature of God through the help of Christ...God sent Christ to the world to preach LOVE.....no matter who u are...
ur testimony must be based exclusively on the grace of God not wat u did.....wen u credit ur tithes as reasons for God's blessings upon u,two things are involved...You are indirectly making God appear as a casino or kalo-kalo master....and U r also taking away d glory from God by attributing ur work,in dis case,tithes as reasons behind getting ur blessings....

BERNIMOORE:
was Abraham tenth% to Melchizedek"an increase from his farm or income or a recovery of stolen goods by by pagans"

Stop deviating.
Abraham gave a tithe... Jacob did (obviously learn from Isaacs)... My point is its before the law.

AGAIN KINDLY TELL US"THE ORDER OF PRIESTHOOD JESUS IS OF" as you claim oya

Go study your Bible. Hebrews chapters 7 & 8

Gombs:

It's before the law

Why did Jesus call it a law ?? Jesus is God He existed before everything Do you know more than him ??

Gombs:


Did Jesus condemn tithing?

going round the tables again, 42But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. DO YOU SEE "YES You Should TITHE" in this passage of the oldest bible? It was only smuggled recently by controversial scholars who wrote WEB AND NLT TRANSLATION

Gombs:


Did Jesus condemn tithing?

No because He was yet to die ??
How can He condemn the same law He came to fulfill
After His death ... we were instructed not to live by the law because Christ has already fulfiled the law

Junia:
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The Hebrew and Greek words for “tithe” both simply mean “a tenth.
A tenth of everything is tithe

tell that to your gullible members! Freewill giving is the acceptable practice of the apostles

BERNIMOORE:
tell that to your gullible members! Freewill giving is the acceptable practice of the apostles

Did i say you should tithe ??
Im against tithing
And tithing is a law

Gombs:

Hello.. Remember me?
I'm about to give you a heartache

Mr heartache, how many times did Abraham give tithe ?

openmine:

As Christians we must endeavor 2 show the very nature of God through the help of Christ...God sent Christ to the world to preach LOVE.....no matter who u are...
ur testimony must be based exclusively on the grace of God not wat u did.....wen u credit ur tithes as reasons for God's blessings upon u,two things are involved...You are indirectly making God appear as a casino or kalo-kalo master....and U r also taking away d glory from God by attributing ur work,in dis case,tithes as reasons behind getting ur blessings....

Purify the thoughts of your heart please and stop reasoning negatively. I never said God has been good to me because I have been paying my tithe. What I said for emphasis is that "GOD HAS BEEN GOOD TO ME IN ALL AREAS, SO WHY WOULD'NT I SERVE HIM WITH ALL MY SUBSTANCES"

Junia:

Jesus called tithe a law

Same Jesus that was there when Abraham gave tithe and when Moses got the law? Really?

Jesus simply was speaking about the law not necessarily saying tithing was of the law... For Moses' law instituted tithing with many clauses. So, if the law is abolished, it couldn't have abolished what came before it... Would it?

We are no longer under the law
Infact Jesus is God
Do you know more than Jesus

I asked you same.. Was Jesus not wise enough to know the law didn't begat tithing?

Didn't Jesus see Abraham tithing before He called it a law ??

He was talking to THE PHARISEES.. Do I need explain why they are and why Jesus refereed to their laws?

How many times did Abraham even tithe ??

By your logic I can also ask, How many time did Jesus even attend a wedding sef? Or how many times did Abraham give offerings to God!

Point is, they both did the said event and NO ONE condemned it, the frequency is not a point for you just because it was recorded once... But you saw his grandson do same... Would you want to say they all did it once?

Didn't you see this in the Bible?

Hebrews 7
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

In other words...

by the priests in his family (Levi's), Levi gets the tenth part from the people (Israelites) . But we can say that, by Abraham, Levi also paid a tenth part to Melchizedek.

This is because Levi was Abraham’s grandson. Levi was not yet born when Melchizedek met Abraham.


That's the Easy English Translation

kolaish:
Purify the thoughts of your heart please and stop reasoning negatively. I never said God has been good to me because I have been paying my tithe. What I said for emphasis is that "GOD HAS BEEN GOOD TO ME IN ALL AREAS, SO WHY WOULD'NT I SERVE HIM WITH ALL MY SUBSTANCES"

Your pastor = God ?

Junia:
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The Hebrew and Greek words for “tithe” both simply mean “a tenth. A tenth of everything is tithe

tithes according to scriptures Leviticus 27:30

Junia:


Why did Jesus call it a law ??
Jesus is God
He existed before everything
Do you know more than him ??

I already explained this...

Was Jesus not wise enough to know Tithe came before moses?