Gombs:


i didn't insult you, besides, one of you "team" members called us swindlers, you sure didn't see that, right?

weldone o

I don't have any team member bro gombs...its a thread where everyone expresses his or her opinion....but dat sud b done with respect...must u give back an insult because sum one insulted?
wat does it say about u and ur beliefs?
wat will atheists say?
let discus without insults.... I know dat remark wasn't intended 4 me but don't reply an insult wit an insult...it doesn't speak well of u...

Junia:


Tithing is CONTAINED in the law of Moses my friend

FIXED... yeaah, true.

Jesus called it a lighter part of the law

because it was contained in the law na..not created by the law

Who are you to say it is not a law ??

I should ask you same? Who told you it was the law of Moses?

petra1:

Quote where Jesus said tithe is law

Wait and see answer

Gombs:


Did Paul teach about Honoring parents? What was quoting?

He quoted a commandment from the law but this law was carried into the law of Christ. Christ also carried the law of loving into His commandment

Junia:



Why practise something doesnt justify you
The law of tithing made provision for the poor .. widow .. levite priests .. eating it during festivals
So why tithe to a church ??

Don't you know the children of Israel was the first church? They failed ...because they couldn't obey the law and they law couldn't justify anyone. That's why Jesus had to come, and He first redeemed the old church, and established the new..forever.

Gombs:

FIXED... yeaah, true.


because it was contained in the law na..not created by the law


I should ask you same? Who told you it was the law of Moses?

Who received the laws Is it not Moses ?? Aside the law of Christ which other law is in the Bible ??

dsaynt:


Point of correction ...I don't agree with saying that Tithes pre existed the levites. What Abram gave was not tithe. He gave out of his spoils of war and not from his income (he had flocks of animals he also traded on), also it was a one off. Tithes were specific to the Levites.

So you are on the right track just that part sha. Lol

So, in war times, if a nation defeats another, the slaves and properties taken aren't income to the nation who won? Should i define income for you?

anyways, that's not my point..when Jacob tithed, what did he use?

Gombs:


Don't you know the children of Israel was the first church? They failed ...because they couldn't obey the law and they law couldn't justify anyone. That's why Jesus had to come, and He first redeemed the old church, and established the new..forever.

Give me scriptures concerning old church. I have never heard of any old church

openmine:

I don't have any team member bro gombs...its a thread where everyone expresses his or her opinion....but dat sud b done with respect...must u give back an insult because sum one insulted?
wat does it say about u and ur beliefs?
wat will atheists say?
let discus without insults.... I know dat remark wasn't intended 4 me but don't reply an insult wit an insult...it doesn't speak well of u...

did you see someone call me a swindler or not? did you reprimand him?

my point is, no need being hypocritical. I didn't insult you or anyone here too

Junia:


He quoted a commandment from the law but this law was carried into the law of Christ

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why?

i thought the law has been abolished? Paul must have been a fraud....ah!

Christ also carried the law of loving into His commandment

Love is God..God is love... it's been so since the foundation of the earth. Nothing was carried over here.

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Junia:

Who received the laws
Is it not Moses ??

Are you saying Moses was the one who brought about the idea of tithing?

Aside the law of Christ which other law is in the Bible ??

it's like asking "Aside the parts of Ferrari, what other parts is in the Ferrari?"

Gombs:




Wait and see answer

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The pharisees choose the lighter part of the law and ignored the weightier part of the law

Gombs:


Are you saying Moses was the one who brought about the idea of tithing?



it's like asking "Aside the parts of Ferrari, what other parts is in the Ferrari?"

It was God who gave Moses the commandment
And all the commandments are known as the Mosaic law

Gombs:
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why?

i thought the law has been abolished? Paul must have been a fraud....ah!



Love is God..God is love... it's been so since the foundation of the earth. Nothing was carried over here.

But Christ got His commandment from the law and that is love
Will you dishonour your parents if you love them

Junia:


Give me scriptures concerning old church. I have never heard of any old church

Study bro..

“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 15:24).

We should understand Jesus’ words here not as an outright rejection of the Gentiles—moments later, He heals the Cannanite woman's daughter (Matthew 15:28)—but as a fulfillment of prophecy, a setting of priorities, and a test of the woman’s faith.

In Jeremiah 50:6, God calls Israel His people and “lost sheep.” The Messiah, spoken of throughout the Old Testament, was seen as the one who would gather these “lost sheep” (Ezekiel 34:23-24; Micah 5:4-5). When Jesus presented Himself as a shepherd to Israel, He was claiming to be the fulfillment of Messianic prophecy (Mark 6:34, 14:27; John 10:11-16)

It was through the Jews that God issued His Law, preserved His Word, and sent His Son. This is why, elsewhere, Jesus tells a Samaritan that “salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22). In Matthew 15, when the Jesus says that He was sent to “the house of Israel,” He is simply connecting His presence with God’s purpose in Old Testament history. Christ was “born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law” (Galatians 4:4-5).

Junia:


Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The pharisees choose the lighter part of the law and ignored the weightier part of the law

I talk am

so, Justice, mercy and faith are of the law? Why aren't they abolished as tithing (assuming tithing was of the law)

Junia:


It was God who gave Moses the commandment
And all the commandments are known as the Mosaic law

so, because Moses' law made tithing compulsory..it is then proof that tithing came as a result of the law?

Gombs:


Study bro..

“I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 15:24).

We should understand Jesus’ words here not as an outright rejection of the Gentiles—moments later, He heals the Cannanite woman's daughter (Matthew 15:28)—but as a fulfillment of prophecy, a setting of priorities, and a test of the woman’s faith.

In Jeremiah 50:6, God calls Israel His people and “lost sheep.” The Messiah, spoken of throughout the Old Testament, was seen as the one who would gather these “lost sheep” (Ezekiel 34:23-24; Micah 5:4-5). When Jesus presented Himself as a shepherd to Israel, He was claiming to be the fulfillment of Messianic prophecy (Mark 6:34, 14:27; John 10:11-16)

It was through the Jews that God issued His Law, preserved His Word, and sent His Son. This is why, elsewhere, Jesus tells a Samaritan that “salvation is of the Jews” (John 4:22). In Matthew 15, when the Jesus says that He was sent to “the house of Israel,” He is simply connecting His presence with God’s purpose in Old Testament history. Christ was “born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law” (Galatians 4:4-5).

Did you find church in there
The Church is actually used for Christians only and not isralites
Why deceiving yourself ??

Junia:

But Christ got His commandment from the law and that is love

he didn't get it from the law, please.

Will you dishonour your parents if you love them

bro...Paul quoted the law severally..like petra1 said, the law is good... trying to get justification by it is wrong. Paul even said the law is holy and good.

Gombs:


I talk am

so, Justice, mercy and faith are of the law? Why aren't they abolished as tithing (assuming tithing was of the law)

Am i the one saying it
Didnt Jesus clasify them as the weightier part of the law ??
If you love (law of Christ) .. wont you practise them
Who can say he or she loves but practise wickedness ??

Gombs:


he didn't get it from the law, please.

Will you dishonour your parents if you love them

bro...Paul quoted the law severally..like petra1 said, the law is good... trying to get justification by it is wrong. Paul even said the law is holy and good.

But note that he said we shouldn't walk in the law because we cant obey all the laws

Gombs:


so, because Moses' law made tithing compulsory..it is then proof that tithing came as a result of the law?

It is God who made it a law .. not me
So if God has made it a law
Then it is actually a law

Junia:

Did you find church in there

lol...see line of argument abeg. the term CHURCH there ...what did you think i meant?

The Church is actually used for Christians only and not isralites

James was the head of the Christians in Jerusalem..they all worshiped and met a the synagogue...why not a church, since the church is actually used for Christians and not Israelite? Why did Chirstians use a synagogue made for Jewish religion?

Why deceiving yourself ??

you're sorely confused... I'd leave you at this juncture.



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Gombs:


lol...see line of argument abeg. the term CHURCH there ...what did you think i meant?




James was the head of the Christians in Jerusalem..they all worshiped and met a the synagogue...why not a church, since the church is actually used for Christians and not Israelite? Why did Chirstians use a synagogue made for Jewish religion?



you're sorely confused... I'd leave you at this juncture.

The Church is the body of Christ
Are the israelites the first Church (body of Christ)

kolaish:
Does the bible says that I will not make heaven if I am paying my tithe to the church? NO. Therefore, I don't have any problem paying it.

You amuse me, you are doing it wrongly oga! Why can't you all read Deuteronomy 14!

Even if you want to continue paying your tithe, just know that Doing it wrongly means disobeying God's directive and you know God doesn't like disobedience. If you must pay tithe, pay it the right way!!

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Am i the one saying it

So, Jesus is saying that Justice, mercy and faith are of the law...He now asked us to forget the law and yet tells us to ask and live by faith?

Didnt Jesus clasify them as the weightier part of the law ??

you are sorely confused...

If you love (law of Christ) .. wont you practice them

so i should practice the weightier because of the law of Christ (love)...but the lighter (tithe, assuming it is of the law)i should ignore, abi? keep shooting your foot o

Who can say he or she loves but practice wickedness ??

so, tithing is wickeness?

Junia:


But note that he said we shouldn't walk in the law because we cant obey all the laws

So, is the law totally abolished/discarded?

Junia:

The Church is the body of Christ

ah.....see who i'm discussing with ooooooo

that's what you think i meant when you know i was talking of OT stuff?

Are the israelites the first Church (body of Christ)

ahhhhhhhh...i really have to let this go oooooo

Acts 7:38
King James Bible
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Gombs:


did you see someone call me a swindler or not? did you reprimand him?

my point is, no need being hypocritical. I didn't insult you or anyone here too

If he says they are not together . Maybe they are not together na.

openmine:

Hebrews 7:11 -12
11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

Hebrews 7:18
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Hebrews 7:28
28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.

Remember....without a new law,dere can never b a new priesthood or covenant....wen Christ became high priest,a new covenant which had a new law was given....
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If you observe . The only condemnation of the law is it's inability to make a man righteous. The law is good . Because it's a document of right and wrong, you can't know what sin is without the know,edge of the law. But you don't get justified by it , that's all. The moral law is still kingdom moral principle . You don't go into immorality because you are not under the law. It's as simple as that
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What Of Church Building, renovation, maintenance, fuel for d generator, for example my church used to rent the land we use and we pay monthly before we bought the land. all dis offering we give and we still ask questions about whr it went to is nt genuine offering. u shud give from ur heart n forget about it, afterall its nt by force. tithe is ordained frm God n we ought to pay because pastors are God messengers who solicit for us sometimes and 10& to be honest is nt too much if God bless d remaining 90%.

What do they do with the offerings, prophet seed, first fruit and the rest?? [/quote]

petra1:



If you observe . The only condemnation of the law is it's inability to make a man righteous. The law is good . Because it's a document of right and wrong, you can't know what sin is without the know,edge of the law. But you don't get justified by it , that's all. The moral law is still kingdom moral principle . You don't go into immorality because you are not under the law. It's as simple as that
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1 Timothy 1:9
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,

if u think the law is good,why are you not obeying other laws?
why are you only obeying and keeping one while u leave the rest?

according to hebrews 7,the law was never good cos it made nothing perfect....it was also useless because it never showed or depicted d true picture of God our father...
true d law was good but it was never meant for a believer...
Ephesians 2:14
Colossians 2:6 - 23
Romans 10:4


Galatians 3:19 - 25

19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Children of God
23 Before the coming of this faith, j we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

the law was only meant to lead us to Christ...but once we have been led to Christ,d dictates and practices of the law has no effect on us....

dere used to be a popular illustration....if u are travelling to Lagos from portharcourt.... and u needed two buses to get dere.....let's say d first bus will take you to Edo state,and u board Anoda bus to Lagos....
the bus from portharcourt to Benin has already completed its mission....now a different bus will have to take u to Lagos....d law was meant to lead us 2 Christ by showing us our sins,but wen Christ was revealed,d law no longer had an effect on us...in other words,we are no longer meant to abide by those laws any more...