Junia:



Who told you that our pastors represent those levites in our country ??
Do you know the duties of the priests ??
Christ has already offered the sacrifises required in the law ....
Which of them is the pastor doing now ??

1 Timothy 5:17-18:Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer deserves his wages.”
1 Corinthians 9:14: In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.
1 Corinthians 9:9-14: For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? Does he not speak entirely for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more? Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? ...

kolaish:
Basically leading the congregation is the duty there. In addition, they (priest and pastors) solicits for God's mercy and blessing on the land and upon their members. So, what is so different and peculiar in the duties of the priest and the pastors?

The priests served as the mediator between God and man because the people couldnt go to God themselves ... now Christ is our mediator not our pastor
When a priest sinned, he brought guilt not only upon himself, but also upon the whole people ... when a pastor sins, he will accout for his sin alone and his sin doesnt bring anything on other Christians
The priests also interceded on behalf of the people before God .. now Christ is the one who interceds on our behalf and not pastors
Service began at the age of 25 (though later changed to 20 under King David) and continued until they reached the age of 50 ... now you can serve at any age

kolaish:
1 Timothy 5:17-18:Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer deserves his wages.”
1 Corinthians 9:14: In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.
1 Corinthians 9:9-14: For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? Does he not speak entirely for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more? Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? ...

Note the scripture well
It says those who proclaim the gospel
Meaning any one at all
Not only pastors
I also proclaim the gospel .. should i take tithe ??
Certainly No ..
This scripture was fulfilled through gifts
The Church provided gifts and not tithe
The best scripture to use is Galatians 6:6 and not Malachi 3:10 .. to provide for pastors

openmine:

Bro u make me laugh
I dont need to eat my tithe because am no tither...only tithers are meant to eat of their tithe every year ...and i guess thats some thing u just knew today....its in the bible bro....am not the one that put it there...
Am happy that you actually took time to read that scripture....now compare it to wat u have been doing and see if its the same ...

If you are not a tither, why are you hell bent on convincing me on eating tithe, even when I have given you reason why I pays my tithe regularly and all have went well for me. So, why are you more particular about eating tithe, when you yourself don't even eat it or even observe it.

kolaish:
The levites were the tribes chosen to serve in the house of God and to offer sacrifices and solicits for the forgiveness of the sins of the israelites. Our pastor here represent those levites in our country. Some of them were chosen to lead the congregation and render similar duties just like the levites. So, I do not think there is anything wrong with that.

If jesus the high priest and head of church came from a tribe not worthy to officiate as priests that is "tribe of judah" There is no justification for pastors to claim that they are priest entitled to receiving TITHE. Remember That high priest Aaron was a levite so also all other priests then are all Levites. So you think that you can force anything as a precedence on the scriptures? Where did the bible says today pastors replaces the Levites, at least the Levites do not just act on their own volition but rather they acted on "a written Authority that authorized them in form of commandment "to receive tithe". Read below; HEBREW 7: 5. AND INDEED THOSE WHO ARE OF THE SONS OF LEVI, WHO RECEIVE THE PRIESTHOOD, [size=14pt]HAVE A COMMANDMENT TO RECEIVE TITHES[/size] FROM THE PEOPLE ACCORDING TO THE LAW, THAT IS, FROM THEIR BRETHREN, THOUGH THEY HAVE COME FROM THE LOINS OF ABRAHAM;

14 FOR IT IS EVIDENT THAT ]OUR LORD AROSE FROM JUDAH, OF WHICH TRIBE MOSES SPOKE NOTHING CONCERNING PRIESTHOOD]

Junia:




Note the scripture well
It says those who proclaim the gospel
Meaning any one at all
Not only pastors
I also proclaim the gospel .. should i take tithe ??
Certainly No ..
This scripture was fulfilled through gifts
The Church provided gifts and not tithe
The best scripture to use is Galatians 6:6 and not Malachi 3:10 .. to provide for pastors

"Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? Who employed you for temple service? Or are you an elder in the church? Please read those verses again to know who is deemed qualified (Pastors)

So you can't be. Catholic than the pope! Simple

kolaish:
If you are not a tither, why are you hell bent on convincing me on eating tithe, even when I have given you reason why I pays my tithe regularly and all have went well for me. So, why are you more particular about eating tithe, when you yourself don't even eat it or even observe it.

bro U said u tithe but u r not even doing so according to scripture but based on wat the pastor of the church u attend told you....wat i simply did was to challenge d validity of ur tithe beliefs am not convinced that u have prior knowledge of wat u r practicing.....
Cos the tithe u r practicing is not even in the bible....?
If u tink am lying,show scriptures to prove that a pastor must receive ur tithe on behalf of God
And yes...i don't tithe....!

BERNIMOORE:
If jesus the high priest and head of church came from a tribe not worthy to officiate as priests that is "tribe of judah" There is no justification for pastors to claim that they are priest entitled to receiving TITHE. Remember That high priest Aaron was a levite so also all other priests then are all Levites. So you think that you can force anything as a precedence on the scriptures? Where did the bible says today pastors replaces the Levites, at least the Levites do not just act on their own volition but rather they acted on "a written Authority that authorized them in form of commandment "to receive tithe". Read below; HEBREW 7: 5. AND INDEED THOSE WHO ARE OF THE SONS OF LEVI, WHO RECEIVE THE PRIESTHOOD, [size=14pt]HAVE A COMMANDMENT TO RECEIVE TITHES[/size] FROM THE PEOPLE ACCORDING TO THE LAW, THAT IS, FROM THEIR BRETHREN, THOUGH THEY HAVE COME FROM THE LOINS OF ABRAHAM;

14 FOR IT IS EVIDENT THAT ]OUR LORD AROSE FROM JUDAH, OF WHICH TRIBE MOSES SPOKE NOTHING CONCERNING PRIESTHOOD]

Good talk, but sincerely speaking, 85% of those who are speaking against tithe are just making "much ado about nothing" and don't even pay normal offerings, not to talk of tithe. Those paying tithe do not make noise and some don't see it as something special, but a normal requirement in life.

kolaish:
"Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? Who employed you for temple service? Or are you an elder in the church? Please read those verses again to know who is deemed qualified (Pastors)

Why did you ignore the end part of my post
They are not to receive tithes but gifts
Paul and the apostles needs were met by the people by supplying for them
They didn't pay tithe to them
If you actually pay tithes to a pastor .. you are actually not practisin the tithe in the Bible
Pastors are not priests .. priests are levites
Because no pastor replace the priests .. poor .. widow etc

openmine:

bro U said u tithe but u r not even doing so according to scripture but based on wat the pastor of the church u attend told you....wat i simply did was to challenge d validity of ur tithe beliefs am not convinced that u have prior knowledge of wat u r practicing.....
Cos the tithe u r practicing is not even in the bible....?
If u tink am lying,show scriptures to prove that a pastor must receive ur tithe on behalf of God
And yes...i don't tithe....!

Tithe goes to the house of God and not pastor, get that straight. In my church, there is a church council that determines how the tithe is administered; to the poor, needy and others. Stop making a mistake thinking that every tithe goes to the pastor.

kolaish:
Good talk, but sincerely speaking, 85% of those who are speaking against tithe are just making "much ado about nothing" and don't even pay normal offerings, not to talk of tithe. Those paying tithe do not make noise and some don't see it as something special, but a normal requirement in life.

Which scriptures call tithe a normal requirement ??
The tithes people are paying now is not even in the Bible ..
I dont know where they got it from

kolaish:
Tithe goes to the house of God and not pastor, get that straight. In my church, there is a church council that determines how the tithe is administered; to the poor, needy and others. Stop making a mistake thinking that every tithe goes to the pastor.

Wow ..
If it is given to the poor .. needy etc then its good
But wait .. you have moved to the law of tithing when you do that because there was a tithe given to widows .. the poor etc ..
If you choose one part of the law of tithing
Then fulfill all
Look for levites and pay tithe to them
Eat your tithes during feasts

kolaish:
1 Timothy 5:17-18:Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer deserves his wages.”
1 Corinthians 9:14: In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.
1 Corinthians 9:9-14: For it is written in the Law of Moses, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain.” Is it for oxen that God is concerned? Does he not speak entirely for our sake? It was written for our sake, because the plowman should plow in hope and the thresher thresh in hope of sharing in the crop. If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? If others share this rightful claim on you, do not we even more? Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right, but we endure anything rather than put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings? ...

you simply ignored the last part of the verse where Paul says: 15 But I have used none of these things, nor have I written these things that it should be done so to me; for it would be better for me to die than that anyone should make my boasting void. 18 What is my reward then? That when I preach the gospel, I may present the gospel of Christ[b] without charge, that I may not abuse my authority in the gospel.

Junia:


Which scriptures call tithe a normal requirement ??
The tithes people are paying now is not even in the Bible ..
I dont know where they got it from

you actually sustained your points throughout, kudos bro!

BERNIMOORE:
you actually sustained your points throughout, kudos bro!

Thanks

bro, do what the bible ask u to do n leave judgement for God. as for me, i will pay my tithe n careless about who spend it. to be frank, since when i started paying my tithe, believe me, i can account for the remaining 90& unlike when i skippd a month, chaii that month was terrible

dose things you quoted as being reasons why pastors receive tithes only validates my point about tithers...
All dose expenses u listed can b taken care of with a simple contribution weekly....Paul did it with the Corinthians,so I don't see any reason why it can't work now..
the early Christians in acts did the same....so I don't understand why it can't b possible without tithes...
..wen contributions are made with d right intentions,genuine and benevolent Christians will give almost "every thing" they have...
never underestimate d heart of a generous giver....[/quote]

captainrock:
bro, do what the bible ask u to do n leave judgement for God. as for me, i will pay my tithe n careless about who spend it. to be frank, since when i started paying my tithe, believe me, i can account for the remaining 90& unlike when i skippd a month, chaii that month was terrible

dose things you quoted as being reasons why pastors receive tithes only validates my point about tithers...
All dose expenses u listed can b taken care of with a simple contribution weekly....Paul did it with the Corinthians,so I don't see any reason why it can't work now..
the early Christians in acts did the same....so I don't understand why it can't b possible without tithes...
..wen contributions are made with d right intentions,genuine and benevolent Christians will give almost "every thing" they have...
never underestimate d heart of a generous giver....

You have a good point
But tithing itself is a law
When you use if for another reason aside the one in the Bible, you have actually created your version of tithing which scriptures doesnt support
You made a point that you tithe but you dont actually care what the Church uses it for
The moment you pay tithe, you go back to the law
Aa Paul said if you circumcise, you have gone back to the law and by so doing, Christ is of no benefit to you

Gombs:


How many times did Abraham pray?

And what does Abraham prayer has to do with the Simple question: how many times did Abraham tithe ? is it weekly and monthly as done in todays Churches ?



are u tithing from spoils of war as Abraham did ?

Na wa o. You guys have been busy. Only a few hours gone and it's gone on to several pages.

Let's restate these things again
1. Tithes are for Levites and our pastors are not Levites and therefore unqualified to receive tithes.
2. Abraham didn't give a tithe. He gave a tenth of his WAR SPOILS not from his earnings or flock. And he did it just once as that occasion warranted .
3. Jacob didn't give tithes o! Unless you guys now think that making a deal or agreement with God is now a tithe. He said that IF God did something THEN he would give a tenth.
4. Paul never paid tithes nor did he say anything about how we must pay tithes. What he asked us to do was to give freewill offering so that the Kingdom of God may be expanded .
5. We should give FREEWILL offerings whether it's 2%, 5%, 10%, 10% etc. with this the church would be maintained and the gospel would be spread . Our dear pastors spreading the gospel is to spread it to places that need d light not the places that brought the light to dark Africa. So pls don't open branches in London and New York. Open it in Somalia or Congo basin or some other place that needs it. While you are at it don't buy private jet to go there. Use our giving to spread the word not throw parties in Dubai or buy private jets or buy gucci bags etc. Lol.

So my dear people of God ...let's give to the spreading of the Gospel ...as much as we can but please stop calling it Tithe. We can give 99% if we can sef. And pls question your pastor if you see that your church isn't doing much evangelism but instead na new cars and private jets the church dey acquire.

#TestEverything

Shalom

dsaynt:
Na wa o. You guys have been busy. Only a few hours gone and it's gone on to several pages.

Let's restate these things again
1. Tithes are for Levites and our pastors are not Levites and therefore unqualified to receive tithes.
2. Abraham didn't give a tithe. He gave a tenth of his WAR SPOILS not from his earnings or flock. And he did it just once as that occasion warranted .
3. Jacob didn't give tithes o! Unless you guys now think that making a deal or agreement with God is now a tithe. He said that IF God did something THEN he would give a tenth.
4. Paul never paid tithes nor did he say anything about how we must pay tithes. What he asked us to do was to give freewill offering so that the Kingdom of God may be expanded .
5. We should give FREEWILL offerings whether it's 2%, 5%, 10%, 10% etc. with this the church would be maintained and the gospel would be spread . Our dear pastors spreading the gospel is to spread it to places that need d light not the places that brought the light to dark Africa. So pls don't open branches in London and New York. Open it in Somalia or Congo basin or some other place that needs it. While you are at it don't buy private jet to go there. Use our giving to spread the word not throw parties in Dubai or buy private jets or buy gucci bags etc. Lol.

So my dear people of God ...let's give to the spreading of the Gospel ...as much as we can but please stop calling it Tithe. We can give 99% if we can sef. And pls question your pastor if you see that your church isn't doing much evangelism but instead na new cars and private jets the church dey acquire.

#TestEverything

Shalom

God bless you brother
You have said it all
What the Church is practising now and calling it tithe is not understandable because its not scriptural
Again .. God bless you

Junia:


You must contribute to the the church and charity .. its good
But tithe is a law
And you must not follow the law
Galatians 3:10-12
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”


Since you cannot abide by all thing written in the law
You are actually inviting curses for yourself
And note ... no one is justified by the law

Please go and pray about it

Wow thanks for this divine message. Since we have to obey the law.. i hope i dont catch my wife cheating because i would take her to her dad's place and stone her to death as it is commanded by the holy book.. i dont want to invite curses o.

Junia:


You must contribute to the the church and charity .. its good
But tithe is a law
And you must not follow the law
Galatians 3:10-12
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”
12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”


Since you cannot abide by all thing written in the law
You are actually inviting curses for yourself
And note ... no one is justified by the law

Please go and pray about it

Woow thanks for this divine message. Since we have to obey the law.. i hope i dont catch my wife cheating because i would take her to her dad's place and stone her to death as it is commanded by the holy book.. i dont want to invite curses o.

Junia:


Lighthouse Chapel International
They pay tithes tho .. but i don't

. Cool,I attend BLW.

kolaish:
Tithe goes to the house of God and not pastor, get that straight. In my church, there is a church council that determines how the tithe is administered; to the poor, needy and others. Stop making a mistake thinking that every tithe goes to the pastor.

not according to the bible...
Cos according to my bible,you being a tither sud eat ur tithe every year while you supply ur tithes every three years to the levites,the homeless and strangers....unfortunately,Ur pastor receives the tithes on behalf of christ.....Which is unknown to you.....
Am not stopping you from tithing but for christ sake take up that bible and study it....dont always allow ur pastor tell u the scripture to open...haba

Scalord:


Woow thanks for this divine message. Since we have to obey the law.. i hope i dont catch my wife cheating because i would take her to her dad's place and stone her to death as it is commanded by the holy book.. i dont want to invite curses o.

And if you do that too you have actually aliented yourself from Christ

Peacefullove:


And what does Abraham prayer has to do with the Simple question: how many times did Abraham tithe ? is it weekly and monthly as done in todays Churches ?



are u tithing from spoils of war as Abraham did ?

you just deflated his Ego and caught him like a craddle robber, his best way to treat issues is to make wild and irrelevance comparison to distract you, but. If you are stubborn he ignore you for a while then tag you with bad name, don't defend that but keep your focus then he will be defeated. Congrats

Peacefullove:


And what does Abraham prayer has to do with the Simple question: how many times did Abraham tithe ? is it weekly and monthly as done in todays Churches ?



are u tithing from spoils of war as Abraham did ?

If you don't get the logic as it relates to your question, then, sorry.. I can't help you.

Junia:



I now get you

Spread the word

Junia:


We are not under it
We just love as we are commanded
And not to select some of the law to live by it

So, Paul that now quoted one of the 10commandments nko? Ephesians 6:1-2...he must have 'selected' it and discarded the rest?

Junia:


You have a good point
But tithing itself is a law
When you use if for another reason aside the one in the Bible, you have actually created your version of tithing which scriptures doesnt support
You made a point that you tithe but you dont actually care what the Church uses it for
The moment you pay tithe, you go back to the law
Aa Paul said if you circumcise, you have gone back to the law and by so doing, Christ is of no benefit to you

Lol

I have asked you tire ... Is it that Jesus Didn't know that tithing was before the law of Moses or you're being ignorant?

You simply said "Jesus said it was the law"

I now asked if tithing is the law and has being discarded then faith, justice and mercy too are discarded since they are weightier matters of the law (since you claim Jesus said it's the law)

You said "am I the one that said it?"

Keep deceiving yourself.

BERNIMOORE:
you just deflated his Ego and caught him like a craddle robber, his best way to treat issues is to make wild and irrelevance comparison to distract you, but. If you are stubborn he ignore you for a while then tag you with bad name, don't defend that but keep your focus then he will be defeated. Congrats

If you were smart you'd see my point.

How many times Abraham paid tithes? It was recorded once... Doesn't mean it was the only time.

Then I asked, how many times Abraham prayed? Aside Gen 20:17 and maybe one other place (not exactly a prayer sef), I haven't seen or read him pray. If then his prayer was once recorded, does it mean he wasn't a man of prayer, considering the life he lived and faith he demonstrated?

Point is the frequency is immaterial, and asking about spoils of war.. Did Jacob go to war before giving tithes? See, I've had several tithe discussions here and you these current crop are learners... Those before you have failed woefully... Ever wondered why tithe threads don't frequent the section unlike 5years ago? Ever wondered why others don't bother coming here to join band wagons with y'all?

I'd tell you what, only a negligible percentage of Christians on NL religion section don't pay tithes and that percentage includes atheists, pagans, and their likes and then your type.

If you don't want to pay tithe, fine... Please don't disturb those doing, you lot aren't smarter than the rest paying tithes... It is not Compulsory, just like nothing in Christ is "by force"

Cheers.