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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 9:32am On Jan 25, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli:If you watched the game, SA actually out played Senegal. The penalty call was wrong but based on the ball of play SA were very impressive. Senegal started pressuring just 10mins to full time when after they got 1 goal. SA were also cheated in Burkina Faso. The referee gave Burkina Faso two controversial penalties in stoppage time before they could tie the game. They missed the first one. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 9:33am On Jan 25, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli: Are you saying that countries like Guinea-Bissau, Togo and Zimbabwe are better than Nigeria? That's why I said general assessment. Eg Algeria and Ivory Coast are out of the AFCON but they remain on my top 10 list. And it is not an issue "we must include Nigeria". AFCON or no AFCON Nigeria remains a power house in African football. We are assessing the teams based on their capability and strength. Eg forget that Algeria and Ivory are out of the AFCON they are still teams to be feared as far as African football in concerned. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 9:35am On Jan 25, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli:The only promising player I saw there was Franck Kessie. Even though he struggled due to big tournament experience. The other lot were just average. Kalou had a good tournament, I think. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Lazyerudite: 9:57am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Icon4s:You claim for us to be top 5 and yet we could not make it to the Nation's cup Going through my comment you would realise that i said we have players on the rise but we are still building a team. For now we are no there yet and I will not deceive myself but wait patiently for our time. For me this is our time to build so saying we are top 5 for me is premature, I don't live on past glory, but would rather face the present and hope for the future. If you were talking of the super falcons then I would agree but for the super eagles, I would not ready them top 5 yet. We can start by qualifying for the world cup first 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:04am On Jan 25, 2017 |
goldfish80:South Africa. A country that would bring their 'A' game when they face a very strong opposition. But you find them crumbling when they play teams like Mauritania, Sierra-Leone or Gambia. Morocco may not have done anything worthy of note in the last 10 years, just also like Algeria, Senegal, DR Congo, Mali and the likes. But if you are a very keen follower of African football, which I know you are, you will know what Morocco are capable of. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Lazyerudite: 10:06am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Icon4s:It is just like not making the champions league and you want to claim that you are one of Europe's best, I did not say win but at least participate, let's stop this idea that we are there but instead pray we keep improving, we have missed two consecutive nation's cup and you still want to rate us as top five Time has a way of sorting things out |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:09am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Lazyerudite: I am talking about the present. If it was this time last year (the past) I may not have put Nigeria in top 10. Are you undermining the quality that the Super Eagles has presently. The future is here and You are still talking about the future. Put the Current Senegalese, Algerian, Ivorian and Nigerian teams side by side and tell me we are not at par. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:11am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Lazyerudite: I am sure Algeria will make your top 5. But did we not beat them 3-1 in Uyo? I am sure you know why Nigeria didn't make this AFCON. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:22am On Jan 25, 2017 |
terzurum5: Nobody was saying some of these players should never be invited. The debate/search for a credible RB became strongest after the Zambia game in Ndola. Forgiveness in particular and not even the TheGoodJoe was the one who started the call for Brian Idowu's inclusion as we were preparing to face Algeria. I was one of those that kicked against his inclusion for that game that it may affect the balance of that defense. Playing a debutant in a game of that magnitude was not the ideal. I personally recommended Omeruo for that RB position as he had played that position on one or two occasions for the Super Eagles and also at his first club in Holland. We however all pointed out that after the Algeria game there would be room for friendlies and we can experiment with those new players. And so it is now. This is the right time to play Brian Idowu. So this is good news. One thing I observed from the current coaching crew is they minimize risks as much as possible. They only play tested players in very crucial games. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Lazyerudite: 10:24am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Icon4s:Again you have missed my point, you defeated Algeria wan Zambia which is by no means a small feat but don't let us get carried away, we have missed two nations cup consecutively and u still think we are top dog presently, players don't win competitions, teams do. We have players but we are still building a team. Don't get carried away by those victories, we have a tougher opponent in Cameroon who usually have their way with us. As I said I am hoping our progress will continue, even this team on the rise in yet to come back from being a goal or two down. With time they will blend and be formidable, we are even still searching for fullbacks ooo. Me, I will be patient. Top 5? No, can we get there, definitely |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 10:24am On Jan 25, 2017 |
goldfish80: add Laffour and Castro. The only South Africans that played a major role were Keegan Dolly and Percy Tau (whom i feel to be SA's best players at the moment). The big goals against Zamalek came from Laffour. Billiat scored them their all important goal in Zambia against Zesco. Onyango was a rock for them in goal. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Lazyerudite: 10:25am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Icon4s:We were simply not good enough, but now I think we are improving |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:33am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Lazyerudite: We are not there yet. I agree. But being there is a function of where you expect to be. Going by where we expect to be we are not there yet but going by countries we are competing with along the line to being were we expect to be we are there among the top 5. Yes, we have missed the last 2 AFCONs, henn but other African nations would not wish to be put in the same group with Nigeria in any competition. Nigeria missed the last 2 AFCONs but we were never down the ladders in African football. Name your top5 teams now and I would analyze the strength of those teams against Nigeria's. I am not just talking about individual talents but the TEAM as a whole. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Tarzaa(m): 10:35am On Jan 25, 2017 |
terzurum5:His inclussion may be a plus. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:35am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Lazyerudite: So Guinea-Bissau, Togo and Zimbabwe are better than Nigeria ba? Because they are good enough to play this year's AFCON abi? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:36am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Tarzaa: I like that word 'may'. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Tarzaa(m): 10:45am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Icon4s:Hahahaha! I've never seen him in action so I don't know how he'll combine with the current people. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 10:45am On Jan 25, 2017 |
BascoVanVeli:Close to 90% of the Sundown team are South Africans. Even their coaching crew. Billiat, the Liberian guy and Onyango were the only foreigners who started that finals. The rest were South Africans. You cannot compare them with TP Mazembe who starts 8 foreigners in their starting 11. SA are a few tweaks from hitting the top in Africa. If not for the murder of the formidable keeper/captain Senzo, they would have been much closer to the top. It appears they have moved on after all from that terrible loss. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by terzurum5(m): 10:48am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Icon4s: Icon4s:Your view is in line with TheGoodJoe's. That's what am saying in essence. If you had said anything other than this, you would have invited trouble. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:49am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Tarzaa: We need more of your inputs on this forum. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Lazyerudite: 10:49am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Icon4s:If you can't come out of a qualifying group that has Chad, Tanzania and Egypt who by the way were hit by turmoil in their country then how can you be rated as top dog. When that group was first made I am sure a lot of Nigerians were sure of qualification. We are not as good as you are portraying it. The FIFA ranking might not be fair but it gives us an insight to what is on ground. We did not qualify because we were not good enough, I think the next draws has Libya, south Africa and another country. We have to qualify first then we take it up from there. The second leg of the match against Egypt exposed us seriously and made me calm down. Togo and Zimbabwe with all due respect qualified by defeating teams like Nigeria so we were simply not good enough |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:52am On Jan 25, 2017 |
terzurum5: Who in his right senses would want to kick against his invitation for the Senegal friendly when we don't have a trusted RB? 4 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Lazyerudite: 10:56am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Icon4s:Before our recent victories against zambia and Algeria, We were being called super chicken because why, we played lethargic football and teams like Congo ran us raggered, we even lost to Sudan so I think you still think we are super. We lost some respect over the years and even South Africa has started stepping up their game. So that fear factor about Nigeria had be removed until recently. That still does not take away the fact that we are still premature. Rohr has not tasted defeat so we can't say how mentally strong his team is. Time has a way of sorting things out |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 10:57am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Lazyerudite: I am sure u know Chad's withdrawal dealt a great blow to our qualification. We lost only one game which was against Egypt and you recall how we conceded the equalizer to Egypt in Kaduna. Nigeria were simply unlucky in that qualifiers. That is why I have not made my judgment based on AFCON and AFCON qualifiers alone. Ok, Algeria and Ivory Coast are out of the quarter finals of the on-going AFCON would you now say they are no longer among the top 8 rated teams in Africa? 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Lazyerudite: 11:04am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Icon4s:These are just excuses, maybe Salah should have buried the last minute chance he had so we would not have to discuss this issue of qualifies again. They drew with us in Naija and defeated and outplayed us in Egypt. We can come up with all the excuses of this world but I will still maintain we were not good enough 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:07am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Lazyerudite: You are judging with just one encounter. That is what I am trying to point against. We need a general assessment. Recall that same Egypt beat Ghana 2-0 in November. Morocco beat Ivory Coast last night you would now rate Morocco higher than Ivory Coast right? 4 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 11:35am On Jan 25, 2017 |
@lazyerudite i think you are underestimating the current strength of the super eagles. yes we failed to qualify for this year's AFCON but like icon said we were slightly unlucky against the egyptians a last minute loss of concentration cost us a win in kaduna. mind you these same egyptians beat a highly fancied ghana in the WC qualifiers. yes congo and sudan beat us but you didn't add that we later rallied to defeat them. don't let failure to qualify for AFCON be the main determinant of our team's level remember we didn't qualify for the 2012 edition but went on to win the next one 4 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 11:40am On Jan 25, 2017 |
i feel man for man ghana has slightly better players than egypt. the only thing going for the egyptians is that the coach plays them to their strength which is defensive counter attacking play Icon4s: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by promzyphyno(m): 11:44am On Jan 25, 2017 |
goldfish80: They missed d two penalties,d goal came frm a goal mouth scramble |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:53am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Icon4s:I agree with your first paragraph however, I feel their game have evolved having watched them over the past few years. Your second paragraph, some of those countries you mentioned have achieved more than Morocco in recent past. Mali have made a couple of semi finals appearances and U17 WC finals. Algeria qualified for 2010/14 world cups. DRC are the Chan defending champions and they won the first edition. TP Mazembe are perennial African champions. The success their national team have enjoyed is as a result of their Chan and champions league achievements. Senegal have been Senegal, they have always made it to the later stages of Afcon. Morocco on the other hand have not made it past the group stage of Afcon since 2004. That's a solid 11 years. That's damn to long. It's a pity how much they've declined. I don't consider them a force in African football anymore. Yes dry bones shall rise again but till then. 4 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Tarzaa(m): 11:57am On Jan 25, 2017 |
Icon4s:okay, thanx. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zicky(m): 11:57am On Jan 25, 2017 |
goldfish80:we should forget the bad officiating against Senegal but point to the one against S/A(are you for real?). I think the list has to do with national team and not club football, so I don't see where sundown come into play, if we go your angle then England should be in World top 5 team. |
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