With the little time I have spent on this forum I have looked at the constant attacks the Islamic religion gets from their foster sister religion Christianity. Note I do believe that both religions are bullshit that should have stayed in the stone age where they belong but we really need to call a spade a spade people
I mean the hypocrisy is too damn high
The christians are basically the most hypocritical bunch in the 3 Abrahamic religions and the most tolerable is the original actual Abrahamic religion that was not ripped off from any other: Judaism
Why would a christian like truthman2012 and 4evergod make anti Islamic threads or analice107 uses derogatory terms when speaking with Muslims but cry foul when their religion is being put under scrutiny by athiests?
Isn't this double standard
Note I was not brought up in the Islamic religion so I may not have a deep knowledge or be as versed in it as muslim turned athiest would but i do know that the religion is as morally backward as Christianity
For one thing apostasy is punishable by death which is a crime against humanity. Basically everybody has a right to believe what you want. The Muslims have apologetics as well for their share of violence in the Quran the same way the christians play the jesus card
But the thing is:
-a muslim does a terrible thing- used to describe the Islamic community
-an athiest does a terrible thing- used to describe the entire atheistic community
-a christian does a terrible thing- the person was never a christian
Do you know what this is called
Double standard!
A radical christian group can come up and use Mathew chapter 11:12 to cause mayhem around the world
I honestly believe that everyone should have the right on what and what not to believe. I am not anti religious nor do I believe that exterminating religion is the best thing for humanity but I do believe that it has served much of it's purpose and we really do not need to rely on irrefutable methodology anymore.
Basically if you look throughout history there were things that thought would have never changed
-slavery
-LGBT rights
-racial equality
We aren't completely there yet but honestly humanity has come a long way and all these were established without the self righteousness, bigotry and cockiness of religion specifically the Abrahamic religions
Basically there is no other continent that needs outspoken secular humanists like Africa and the middle east
But the truth is basically the christians do not play fair.
They never have. That's why I don't take them seriously when the whine and cry about athiests criticizing thier beliefs on the internet but they portray worse intolerance to people that don't share thier religious views. They also portray intolerance to people not in the same denominations!!
Smh
Maybe when they actually practise what they preach they would be taken seriously
Also it's quite funny christians see the abnormalities on the Quran but have a blind spot when it's thier religion the same way Muslims see biblical idiocy but are somewhat stupefied when their religion is involved
Lol

Let me kack here

Cowards since 1969

I remember a thread where a person listed Christian terrorist groups and the Christians were saying they were not true Christians..
Double standards and Christianity go hand in hand.

randomperson:
I remember a thread where a person listed Christian terrorist groups and the Christians were saying they were not true Christians..
Double standards and Christianity go hand in hand.

Do you even mind these guys? A Christian was calling allah a wicked demon, because of his commands in the Quran.. But if you call yahweh or Jesus hateful names, these same Christians will tell you that you are persecuting them, and that you should leave them to their beliefs...

Christians scream "persecution, persecution", whereas in the real world, Christians are the real persecutors, persecuting gays up and down..

I saw posts on nairaland where Christians were praising Trump for removing the "Muslim agenda" by Obama, and replacing them with "Christian values"... Like what sort of double standards is that??

Christians are the most idiotic and hypocritic amongst the three abrahamic faiths, and I don't give bat sh-it when Christians shout" persecution ", 'Cause they seriously need to be persecuted..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmXpJuEnNnw

Sums it all up

both religion are same sheet in different closet

one does not simply become a christian without being a hypocrite....

jonbellion:
With the little time I have spent on this forum I have looked at the constant attacks the Islamic religion gets from their foster sister religion Christianity. Note I do believe that both religions are bullshit that should have stayed in the stone age where they belong but we really need to call a spade a spade people
I mean the hypocrisy is too damn high
The christians are basically the most hypocritical bunch in the 3 Abrahamic religions and the most tolerable is the original actual Abrahamic religion that was not ripped off from any other: Judaism

Typical of atheists...Insult christian while the islamic religion disripting world peace is left alone by them simply because they know allah is their master satan.

jonbellion:

Why would a christian like truthman2012 and 4evergod make anti Islamic threads or analice107 uses derogatory terms when speaking with Muslims but cry foul when their religion is being put under scrutiny by athiests?
Isn't this double standard
Note I was not brought up in the Islamic religion so I may not have a deep knowledge or be as versed in it as muslim turned athiest would but i do know that the religion is as morally backward as Christianity
For one thing apostasy is punishable by death which is a crime against humanity. Basically everybody has a right to believe what you want. The Muslims have apologetics as well for their share of violence in the Quran the same way the christians play the jesus card
But the thing is:

Pls, just state it that it is only christianity you want to bash, cos i wonder why you would overlook the death for apostasy law of islam.

jonbellion:

-a muslim does a terrible thing- used to describe the Islamic community
-an athiest does a terrible thing- used to describe the entire atheistic community
-a christian does a terrible thing- the person was never a christian

Dont you get it by now? The christians that do terrible things never tell you that they did those things in the name of their religion. It's just like a group of people who are christians go rob a house and killed the occupant. If caught, they will never tell you it was done in the name of their God or the bible commands it. They will tell you they did it simply because of greed and laziness- thats what it is.

But muslims do evil and back it up with the quran. Heck, they even scream allahu akbaaar when perpetrating it. You really need to read their quran to see that all the evil they do are commanded in the book.

jonbellion:

Do you know what this is called
Double standard!
A radical christian group can come up and use Mathew chapter 11:12 to cause mayhem around the world
I honestly believe that everyone should have the right on what and what not to believe. I am not anti religious nor do I believe that exterminating religion is the best thing for humanity but I do believe that it has served much of it's purpose and we really do not need to rely on irrefutable methodology anymore.

Any christian that takes mathew 11:12 and commits violence with it is obviously an illiterate like you. The verse is talking about THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, not earth. Maybe thats why no christian group has ever committed violence with it.

Mathew 11:12

From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it.

jonbellion:

Basically if you look throughout history there were things that thought would have never changed
-slavery
-LGBT rights
-racial equality
We aren't completely there yet but honestly humanity has come a long way and all these were established without the self righteousness, bigotry and cockiness of religion specifically the Abrahamic religions
Basically there is no other continent that needs outspoken secular humanists like Africa and the middle east
But the truth is basically the christians do not play fair.
They never have. That's why I don't take them seriously when the whine and cry about athiests criticizing thier beliefs on the internet but they portray worse intolerance to people that don't share thier religious views. They also portray intolerance to people not in the same denominations!!
Smh

What about the right to have sex with 2 month old babies?

jonbellion:

Maybe when they actually practise what they preach they would be taken seriously
Also it's quite funny christians see the abnormalities on the Quran but have a blind spot when it's thier religion the same way Muslims see biblical idiocy but are somewhat stupefied when their religion is involved
Lol

Whatever you see in the bible is either taken out of context. Maybe thats why no christian commits evil using those verses.

But muslims know too well that the commands in the quran are for all times, mostly for this period. Thats why they are on a rampage. I wonder why i would take a verse out of context then go blow myself up alongside innocent people.

benzics:

Do you even mind these guys? A Christian was calling allah a wicked demon, because of his commands in the Quran.. But if you call yahweh or Jesus hateful names, these same Christians will tell you that you are persecuting them, and that you should leave them to their beliefs...

Christians scream "persecution, persecution", whereas in the real world, Christians are the real persecutors, persecuting gays up and down..

I saw posts on nairaland where Christians were praising Trump for removing the "Muslim agenda" by Obama, and replacing them with "Christian values"... Like what sort of double standards is that??

Christians are the most idiotic and hypocritic amongst the three abrahamic faiths, and I don't give bat sh-it when Christians shout" persecution ", 'Cause they seriously need to be persecuted..

Pls keep shut. Is USA not a country founded on christian ideology? The white will allow muslim symbols only when saudi arabia allows the building of churches. Islam cant have what it deprives others of.

When are you satanic atheist going to bash the islam that is killing innocent people instead of bashing christians that dont kill you?

Both do not play fair, OP. This is something I've noticed. If you've lived in the north, you'd see the same hypocrisy exhibited by these christians, being displayed right before your eyes.

Jonbellion,you are what I call the fortunate atheist,if you lived in a Muslim dominated country you type this shit(believe me),let's start with northern Nigeria ,The M.E ,Pakistan to the moderate ones like turkey no one you will rather live in,this is a religion that literal throw gays off the roof,behead non Muslims (atheist and Christian),the Christians are actually the most persecuted religious group in the past two years (where are these persecutors coming from?)predominantly Muslim countries ,why is that ,then why do group of I'd*it's shout "islamphpbia" when a religion that is responsible for many modern problems is called to reform,enlighten,like the others(Christianity, Judaism),I watch a video of these Isis it what full with comment of atheist saying stupid stuff like "Christian are just as bad" are you f*cking kidding me,it means most of you f*cking militant atheist see your hatred of religion as primary hatred for Christianity ,women march protesting trump in LA ,will not protest when young girls are married in the middle east oo,it seems you guys are also bigger hypocrite

Godstraight:
Jonbellion,you are what I call the fortunate atheist,if you lived in a Muslim dominated country you type this shit(believe me),let's start with northern Nigeria ,The M.E ,Pakistan to the moderate ones like turkey no one you will rather live in,this is a religion that literal throw gays off the roof,behead non Muslims (atheist and Christian),the Christians are actually the most persecuted religious group in the past two years (where are these persecutors coming from?)predominantly Muslim countries ,why is that ,then why do group of I'd*it's shout "islamphpbia" when a religion that is responsible for many modern problems is called to reform,enlighten,like the others(Christianity, Judaism),I watch a video of these Isis it what full with comment of atheist saying stupid stuff like "Christian are just as bad" are you f*cking kidding me,it means most of you f*cking militant atheist see your hatred of religion as primary hatred for Christianity ,women march protesting trump in LA ,will not protest when young girls are married in the middle east oo,it seems you guys are also bigger hypocrite

Don't mind the silly atheist. They prefer to walk on christianity while the murderous and bckward islam walks free.

Dude its way more funny that u don't see all the flaws in atheism.

Richirich713:
Dude its way more funny that u don't see all the flaws in atheism.

tell us those flaws

hopefulLandlord:


tell us those flaws

I have, so has many others. U guys just deny everything or use the same tactics.

Richirich713:



I have, so has many others. U guys just deny everything or use the same tactics.

you have but we deny everything?

lay them out let me trash the ones I can but I can't trash anything related to Argumentum ad ignorantum

hopefulLandlord:


tell us those flaws

one of such flaws is wasting your time arguing about something you believe doesn't exist, when you ought to use your precious time to watch porn

hopefulLandlord:


you have but we deny everything?

lay them out let me trash the ones I can but I can't trash anything related to Argumentum ad ignorantum

weren't u denying the universe had a beginning the other day? I think u said it was just speculation and guesses? In one of benzics threads.

u guys even deny that atheism is the belief that God does not exist.

Richirich713:


weren't u denying the universe had a beginning the other day? I think u said it was just speculation and guesses? In one of benzics threads.

prove the universe has a beginning

what we have proof of is that the universe started "EXPANDING"

that it has a beginning is pure guesses and I stand by it till I get a good reason to accept its not

mind you, I'm not denying it has a beginning or not, just like I'm not denying you have over $1M in your account

my stand is that we don't know for sure if it has a beginning or not except guesses and extrapolations; same way I don't know for sure if you have $1M or not

do not misrepresent my views

hopefulLandlord:


prove the universe has a beginning

what we have proof of is that the universe started "EXPANDING"

that it has a beginning is pure guesses and I stand by it till I get a good reason to accept its not

mind you, I'm not denying it has a beginning or not, just like I'm not denying you have over $1M in your account

my stand is that we don't know for sure if it has a beginning or not except guesses and extrapolations; same way I don't know for sure if you have $1M or not

do not misrepresent my views

Here we go with u raising the skeptometer as high as possible when ur atheism feels threaten. U guys dont do the same thing to stuff like abiogenesis

Do u accept Vilenkin theorem?

Richirich713:


Here we go with u raising the skeptometer as high as possible when ur atheism feels threaten. U guys dont do the same thing to stuff like abiogenesis

Do u accept Vilenkin theorem?

pls, I use your god take beg you; do this, search for anywhere I ever claimed that the universe does NOT have a beginning; one thing I pride myself over is my ability to be consistent when arguing

My inability to totally deny the universe having a beginning does not make it true that the universe has a beginning just like my inability to deny you having $1M in your account doesn't mean you definitely do, I hope we are communicating?

as for "Vilenkin theorem", I'm still studying wide on it so my stand is still not made yet; I have several studies on it which I'm still going through

I'm also studying several other theories on cosmology

hopefulLandlord:


pls, I use your god take beg you; do this, search for anywhere I ever claimed that the universe does NOT have a beginning; one thing I pride myself over is my ability to be consistent when arguing

I never said u said that, I asked u if u denied the universe had a beginning in another thread.

hopefulLandlord:

My inability to totally deny the universe having a beginning does not make it true that the universe has a beginning just like my inability to deny you having $1M in your account doesn't mean you definitely do, I hope we are communicating?

Analogy doesn't work, u have no evidence that I have 1Million in the bank, OTOH there is evidence that the universe had a beginning, it's not just a guess or speculation as u claim.

hopefulLandlord:


as for "Vilenkin theorem", I'm still studying wide on it so my stand is still not made yet; I have several studies on it which I'm still going through

I'm also studying several other theories on cosmology

Then u shouldn't call it just speculation or guesses, if u haven't made ur stance on vilenkin theorem then u shouldn't tell theists they just speculating when they use theorem to support their arguments.

Richirich713:


I never said u said that, I asked u if u denied the universe had a beginning in another thread.



Analogy doesn't work, u have no evidence that I have 1Million in the bank, OTOH there is evidence that the universe had a beginning, it's not just a guess or speculation as u claim.



Then u shouldn't call it just speculation or guesses, if u haven't made ur stance on vilenkin theorem then u shouldn't tell theists they just speculating when they use theorem to support their arguments.

I thought you watch debates?

hopefulLandlord:


I thought you watch debates?

I didn't, I just remember there was a thread where some of guys were saying that the universe having a beginning was just speculation.

Richirich713:


I didn't, I just remember there was a thread where some of guys were saying that the universe having a beginning was just speculation.

the BVG theorem is based on assumptions, and only if those assumptions hold does the theorem follow. For example, it assumes that expansion is positive along any past geodesic. However, this assumption is violated and doesn't hold in loop quantum cosmology. Also, not all contracting models entail an unstable universe that wouldn't make it to the expansion phase. Read "Singularity Resolution In Loop Quantum Gravity" by Abhay Ashtekar, his describes a model which is plausible.

hopefulLandlord:


the BVG theorem is based on assumptions, and only if those assumptions hold does the theorem follow. For example, it assumes that expansion is positive along any past geodesic. However, this assumption is violated and doesn't hold in loop quantum cosmology. Also, not all contracting models entail an unstable universe that wouldn't make it to the expansion phase. Read "Singularity Resolution In Loop Quantum Gravity" by Abhay Ashtekar, his describes a model which is plausible.

If u don't have a stance on this theorem u shouldn't be saying theists are just speculating when they say the universe had a beginning. U suppose to be suspending judgment.

When something worth protesting happens and you would expect Muslims to protest - none of them ever will. take for instance the incessant killing by Extreme Islamic terrorist groups like BH, ISIL and others, the murder of Charley Hebdo and countless others. no Muslim was seen in the street demonstrating their strong disapproval of such actions.

but when a cartoon of Muhammed was Drawn, even muslims in Nigeria protested such trivial matter as drawing a cartoon of a long dead man..

The rightly placed fear people feel for Islam and Muslims is very well placed since no muslim has demonstrated that they don't secretly support the actions of the Jihadists.

so forgive us when we feel fearful near you, you have not given us any reason to feel otherwise.

Richirich713:


If u don't have a stance on this theorem u shouldn't be saying theists are just speculating when they say the universe had a beginning. U suppose to be suspending judgment.

it seems you don't understand deeply my reasons for suspending judgement

I suspend judgements till I study wide enough on something and not just "scratch the surface with Google and make your conclusion" kinda thing most Nairaland theists and atheists seems to engage and encourage

so far that's my stance BUT it may change as I study it more deeply, I have lots of PDF files on it on my iPad and have read a lot but not - on a personal level - enough to make my final stance and to buttress my point further i recommended a book for you showing i study wide and not narrow

I'm now gone past the time I try to argue to Win, I now argue to learn although its still more fun arguing to win and I still engage in it but I've derived some level of emotional maturity since I ignored winning for learning

I hope I'm clear enough

benzics:

Do you even mind these guys? A Christian was calling allah a wicked demon, because of his commands in the Quran.. But if you call yahweh or Jesus hateful names, these same Christians will tell you that you are persecuting them, and that you should leave them to their beliefs...

Christians scream "persecution, persecution", whereas in the real world, Christians are the real persecutors, persecuting gays up and down..

I saw posts on nairaland where Christians were praising Trump for removing the "Muslim agenda" by Obama, and replacing them with "Christian values"... Like what sort of double standards is that??

Christians are the most idiotic and hypocritic amongst the three abrahamic faiths, and I don't give bat sh-it when Christians shout" persecution ", 'Cause they seriously need to be persecuted..

how will you feel when a boko haram slaughter your mother, shouting allauh akbr in the name of defending blood sucking gods?. Because you sit down at the corner of your room to type poo as you like! Can you even mention the word gay in muslims country talkless of doing it you will find your head rolling on the floor. You are the worst hypocrite.

jcross19:
how will you feel when a boko haram slaughter your mother, shouting allauh akbr in the name of defending blood sucking gods?. Because you sit down at the corner of your room to type poo as you like! Can you even mention the word gay in muslims country talkless of doing it you will find your head rolling on the floor. You are the worst hypocrite.

Islam like Christianity is a shitty religion!! Both religions are for cunts!!

But if you think boko haram represents Islam and you don't think kkk or the crusaders represents Christianity, then you are a hypocrite!!

Islam teaches violence, Christianity teaches violence, some/most Muslims are violent, some/most Christians are violent, that is the truth, there is no difference between you two except Muslims cause more mayhem than Christians, but they both cause mayhems! You can't overlook the stupidity of one, you must consider them both.. Bullshit religions!