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Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Nobody: 2:36pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
HardMirror: Bible orders to kill as quoted below: Numbers 31:16-18 Deuteronomy 17:3-5 Deuteronomy 13:6-16 Mathew 10:34 To mention but a few. 1 Like |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by ThinkSmarter: 2:41pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
HardMirror:I don't think fighting a noble cause like military /paramilitary as far as u exhibit professionalism in the course of discharging ur duties will take u to hell. For example, in the Bible[Old Testament ] ,God advised the Isrealites to pick the best of their able men from every tribe to make the Isreal Army. And God hv supported them to go to war in many occasions. I understand the angle u re viewing it, but if there is nothing like the law enforcement agencies, lawlessness would have been the other of the day, and crime would be committed with impunity. |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Sman37(m): 2:47pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
dallyemmy: ◄ Exodus 22:20 ► Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed. New Living Translation "Anyone who sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed. English Standard Version “Whoever sacrifices to any god, other than the LORD alone, shall be devoted to destruction. New American Standard Bible "He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the LORD alone, shall be utterly destroyed. King James Bible He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. Holman Christian Standard Bible Whoever sacrifices to any gods, except the LORD alone, is to be set apart for destruction." International Standard Version "Anyone who sacrifices to a god, except the LORD alone, is to be utterly destroyed. NET Bible "Whoever sacrifices to a god other than the LORD alone must be utterly destroyed. New Heart English Bible "He who sacrifices to another god, except to the LORD only, shall be utterly destroyed. GOD'S WORD® Translation "Whoever sacrifices to any god except the LORD must be condemned and destroyed. JPS Tanakh 1917 He that sacrificeth unto the gods, save unto the LORD only, shall be utterly destroyed. New American Standard 1977 “He who sacrifices to any god, other than to the LORD alone, shall be utterly destroyed. Jubilee Bible 2000 He that sacrifices unto any god, except unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. King James 2000 Bible He that sacrifices unto any god, except unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. American King James Version He that sacrifices to any god, save to the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. American Standard Version He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto Jehovah only, shall be utterly destroyed. Douay-Rheims Bible He that sacrificeth to gods, shall be put to death, save only to the Lord. Darby Bible Translation -- He that sacrificeth to [any] god, save to Jehovah only, shall be devoted to destruction. English Revised Version He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, shall be utterly destroye. |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by HardMirror(m): 3:01pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
africansunite:So christianity and islam are same. Good. |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by HardMirror(m): 3:03pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
solaere:Why can't God fight your battles? 1 Like |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by HardMirror(m): 3:04pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
mack111:Abeg, help me ask o |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Nobody: 3:22pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
HardMirror: May you never be in a kill or die situation. It's easier to just open mouth and talk, relocate to southern kaduna and tell scriptures to the marauders. |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by HardMirror(m): 3:26pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
Stupedinluv:You are the only christian making sense here. It's a shame many profess to be christians but are worse than infidels. I am not a christian anymore because of issues like this. There is simply no sincerity in the church. The bible is just a book of contradictions. When I was a christian, I knew Jesus could not be pleased with soldiers who kill. It does not just add up. See christians here defending killings, they do so out of their selfish nature. They profess God but don't trust him to protect them. 1 Like |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Tolupage(m): 3:32pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
dallyemmy: I see no further basis for this argument. if Jesus did not tell the soldiers to resign seeing it was a profession that involves killing (on the right side) then a soldier is entitled to fully carry out his occupational duty. Do violence to no man: avoid oppression and extra judicial activities. Neither accuse any man: Do not use ur position to pervert or oppress others.. be content with your wages: continue in the work as a soldier, and make a living of it without being corrupt. Being a soldier and killing in the line of duty ain't a sin |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by robbinn(m): 3:41pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
zionmade:uhhhmm.. I understand wat yhu re saying nd I vry much lyk dat... cus iz evrydy we learn.. bt I aint fightin wif any 1 dat wat I understood.... tanks fr shedin more lite fr mhe on diz topic....... nw to ur question. a centurion is a person highly respected and honoured by others... in m own knowledge.... nw ansa m question who iz d owner of ur lyf God or a. military man?who Ave been keeping u alive God or a military man?plz if u can't ansa it don't borda answering.... tanks |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Nobody: 3:45pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
joyeSeraph: You notice I used the term "unfolding" if you were to write the story of your life you might find that there are things that happened in your childhood that do not happen now BUT that does not invalidate your childhood or those experiences. People come to the Bible with the wrong approach. Sometimes this is out of intent ; to pick holes in it and sometimes it is out of ignorance. The Bible is story; historical, symbolic- prose and poetry. Like any story it is ascending. It is not a code or a manual with clauses. You should not start in the middle or at the end. Or start at the beginning and finish in the middle. It should be read through from beginning to end. This is a book that was written over a period of 1500 year by 40 writers many who never met each other and who lived hundred of years apart. Having laid that foundation; the blasphemy law in the Torah prescribes physical death when God was blasphemed, while in the writings of the disciples it led to spiritual death. “Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven” (Mt. 12:31) Both involved death. One physical, one spiritual. Which one is more severe? I would imagine the latter. Remember again the "progressive and unfolding but valid" theme I began this with. Death was valid then and death is valid now. The difference between Judaism and Christianity lies again in how they treat Jesus Christ and his death and resurrection. Judaism denies it. Christianity believes it. Again it is easy to see how this happened; once you codify the Torah it cannot unfold and if it does not unfold there can be no Jesus. Apart from this both faiths have a lot in common. But this difference is a major point of division. |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by robbinn(m): 4:06pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
Cusdamato:★u miss undastood wat i met. I didn't mean wrong in d sense of wrong.. I meant a military man nd also a Christian shuld flw d Scripture.. lyk in d Bible it said **do nt shed one anoda blood *** lyk som soldiers re heartless dey dont show mercy.. all dey want iz 2 be praised **dats wat I meant abt christain soldier nt indulging in tins lyk dat **wrong**hope u undastand nw?? |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Dareomo(m): 4:16pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
A Christian can be a soldier, since it was never counted sin for David when he killed Goliath and during his war front, thereby a christian soldier who kills in the war front following the rules of engagement will still make heaven. |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oglalasioux(m): 4:34pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
NevetsIbot: Everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:13). If you need more let me know. |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by onos217(m): 4:36pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
OOOS:You asked who will defend their territory from oppressors and aggressors .I tell you God will defend them. His promises are there if you read his word. And his promises never fail.He is defender to the defenceless. |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by NevetsIbot(m): 4:42pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
oglalasioux:and did you read the whole story?, dyu know under what canopy jesus puts us under now?....... Its funny to see you referring to the old testament. |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by SmartyPants(m): 4:43pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
HardMirror: Read your bible more. Romans 13:4 4For he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not carry the sword in vain. He is God’s servant, an agent of retribution to the wrongdoer. You see, God hates wrongdoing so much that hell is not the only consequence of wrongdoing, and in fact, He has given us ministers to execute retribution. Of course you know very well that a sword is not used for flogging but for slicing through disobedient flesh. Jesus himself flogged certain disobedient people. |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oglalasioux(m): 4:47pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
NevetsIbot: You are now rejecting the old testament but your pastor uses verses from the same testament to extort money from you every month. Christians and doublespeak are (please who has that Zuma picture). |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by zionmade(m): 4:54pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
robbinn: Point of correction a centurion is a soldier who has hundred soldiers under him. God owns my life God protects me God feeds me God teaches me everything i know God takes care of my health But how will God do dat if there are no soldiers, if there are no farmers and parents, if there are no doctors Everything God does for me he does through other persons He is d creator of medical substances and he gave man d knowledge to apply it He is d one who gave man d idea to create weapons for their defense (note D fact dat sex has caused a lot of havoc doesnt mean God didnt create sex) 1 Like |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by NevetsIbot(m): 4:56pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
oglalasioux:if you were not so ignorant, you'd understand me...... The old testament is 'Jesus concealed'... New testament is 'Jesus revealed'..... The laws ofthe old testament were nullified by jesus in d new testament, thus, the new testament it was xtians should use as a watchword. However, some principles in the old testament still works... Tithing, nd giving for example. By the way. Good bye |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by NevetsIbot(m): 4:58pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
zionmade:Smart. But they'll still remain unmoved |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by oglalasioux(m): 5:00pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
NevetsIbot: Lol. Jesus nullified all laws in the old testament but left out tithing. Pastor spotted. |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by NevetsIbot(m): 5:04pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
oglalasioux:correction.... And Giving........ I'm no pastor. Neither am i a staunch christian brother but the 'tithing,giving,mantle,annointing,blood sprinkling,feet washing' are all mysteries that work. Tithing nd giving is a universal thing. -..... Like you're saying thank you....... |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Nobody: 5:04pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
HardMirror:You are not more disappointed than myself. I am really but far from surprised. Still a Christian but I have quietly excluded myself from church activities and resolved to study the Bible myself in my own space until I am mature enough to withstand the modern church. I have a strong conviction that Christianity is true but I understand when people are in doubt. Doubt happens when we read the Bible or try to understand God through people...gullible, selfish people (including us) |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Cusdamato(m): 5:07pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
robbinn:ok thanks 4 explaining now my head is back to default settings |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by AngelsAndStars(m): 5:16pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
Stupedinluv:. |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by OOOS: 5:39pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
Stupedinluv:From what HardMirror wrote he has taken a stance and he's probably searching for fellow birds. He even said the bible is full of contradiction, I think he shouldn't be taken seriously. Now, you said you don't go to church again probably because of some yahoo pastors, but there are still decent churches around. Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembly of ourselves together, as the manner of some is.... |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Nobody: 5:42pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
OOOS: Thank you o Examples of these decent churches Pls? |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by admus14(m): 5:43pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
somebody open Exodus 22: 20 |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by OOOS: 5:46pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
Stupedinluv:I still respect pastor Sam Adeyemi. I won't probably be able to recommend, but trust me, there are a lot if you look around |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by felixomor: 5:48pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
OOOS: The guy is an atheist who was once bursted for telling lies in his threads, here on Nairaland. It was a pathetic scenario. He is trying to resurrect his career of telling lies. |
Re: When Are christians Permitted to KILL and Can A Christian Be A Soldier? by Nobody: 5:49pm On Feb 05, 2017 |
OOOS:Is Sam Adeyemi a church? If they are a lot, you should readily tell me one. |
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