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On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by Nobody: 10:52am On Feb 10, 2017 |
Hello MizMyColi, MizMyColi: Usually I would have avoided to air an opinion on an issue which was not addressed directly to me. But I regard you as one of the most beautiful souls around, and I can't refuse your polite invitation. I could not answer directly in the indicated topic (diary section), so I created a new one. Sarassin, who has greater expertise in this domain, may also give his analysis here. Above all, it is a good opportunity for us to exchange. Thank you for giving us this opportunity. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by Nobody: 11:19am On Feb 10, 2017 |
Zaynie: Salam, 1 Like |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by Nobody: 11:58am On Feb 10, 2017 |
Hello dear Zaynie, I read your writing and would like to offer my perception. You are welcomed to critically analyze its worth, or ask additional questions. First of all, I would like to say your dream and your understanding of it can be greatly distorted by preconceived ideas you have about "babalawos", spirituality in general and religion. I understand african movies, nollywood and others, have succeeded in presenting a false image of what true spiritual men are or should be. Real "babalawos" are not necessarily (and most of them are not) the typical herbalist, diviner stereotype. Secondly, true spirituality does not prevent one from exercising any given religion, especially islam. Most religions, and Islam in particular have deep spiritual truths and treasures, which are usually ignored by their partisan. In simple terms, you can be a deep spiritual person and remain faithful to your chosen religion. Both are not mutually exclusive. To come back to your dream, my understanding of it, is that you have started an initiatic journey in a previous life, which your "real" self would like to further in this life. If my understanding is correct, then you must have manifested disposition, interest, and falcuties right at infancy and they suddenly disappeared or at least considerably reduced. It could be that Fear and doubt prevented you in a former life to move to the higher sphere of your then chosen path, as courage and unbending intend are necessary for "piercing the veil". This could also explain, why you are a muslim in this lifetime, since islam carries the values of courage and mental strenght. My perception is that your dream has really nothing to do with being Babalawo or in your case mamalawo. This is, if I am correct, a distortion due to rational mind and the consensus of the society in which you grew up. Most people who pretend to be herbalists are not true spiritual men: at their best they just use formulas and rituals they saw, heard, received here and there. At worst, they just pretend. To sum it all up, I think you are being reminded not to forget your other side, that is, that you have to build your abilities. At the end it is for the good of your fellow human. No real spiritual man, follows the strenuous labor of becoming one, for money or fame purposes. Islam is a great religion, if you can remove the human additions and distortions and discover the treasures hidden therein. Greetings. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by Nobody: 12:02pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
So this is how those people learn their trade ![]() |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by MizMyColi(f): 3:17pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Thank you LoJ I feel honored really. In truth, I've had similar dreams which I cannot exactly recall. But I find that I do things which I am visibly incapable of in my present being. So I could relate with how she must have felt. I would also like to learn. Thank you again. Thank you for taking the time. |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by malvisguy212: 5:59pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Loj. The people you mention, they dream, strange dream. So, do you want to help them ? |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by Nobody: 6:37pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
malvisguy212:Which people are you referring to? |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by Nobody: 7:41pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
MizMyColi:Don't mention. It is possible to make spiritual progress without any formal assistance, but such progress shall be limited to the basics (character, intend, strength and a few abilities). At some point arises the need for a guide, a helper, a form of (human) teacher, who muss not of necessity be a guru. When we are ready to go beyond common boundaries, life places around us, effortlessly, such (a) teacher(s). In this the saying is true: "When the student is ready, the teacher comes". I am not however such a person. But hopefully there shall be, or there is already, one or many of this kind around you. Greetings. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by zaynie(f): 6:26am On Feb 11, 2017 |
Thank you Loj for your help. And you too, Mizmycoli. In most of these dreams, I am always unhappy or troubled. This is why I am quite content to stay put where I am. Of what use will it be to seek what might take away my happiness, family or my sanity? I do not want to be the cat curiosity killed. My 'mamalawo' jab was me lightening things up. I read it and it made me chuckle even in my fear. Thank you again for your help. God bless. 2 Likes |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by johnydon22(m): 4:00pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
LoJ:lol |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by ashjay001(m): 7:14pm On Feb 12, 2017 |
LoJ: Greetings I attended a fellowship(1st time), and didnt feel welcome. Is that normal? Almost, seem d members I approached where moving me on. |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by Nobody: 7:36pm On Feb 12, 2017 |
ashjay001:Hello ashjay001, which fellowship did you attend? What were your purposes? |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by ashjay001(m): 8:33pm On Feb 12, 2017 |
LoJ: Centrum lodge. Hoping on becoming a member. Ur use of 'greetings', makes me think u're a member? |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by Nobody: 9:36pm On Feb 12, 2017 |
ashjay001:I know the organisation you are refering to. No, I am not a member of that organisation. Of course there is nothing wrong with being a member. If you want to follow a "higher path", do not look for comfort and confidence in the way people treat you or look at you. Find your strength within yourself, as all you need is already within you. Greetings. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by ashjay001(m): 9:38pm On Feb 12, 2017 |
LoJ: Which other uses 'greetings', I tot it was unique to them? |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by Nobody: 9:41pm On Feb 12, 2017 |
ashjay001:I belong to no "formal" esoteric organisation. I practice and learn Tantra. Greetings. |
Re: On Spirituality And Religion: The Dream Of Zaynie by Nobody: 9:28pm On Jun 08, 2019 |
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