tbaba1234:


I do not think that it is a coincidence that Chelsea's form improved last year when Mikel became a regular again. That does not sound like an inconsequential player. Ask those who played with him all those years.

It is easy to notice Mikel when Chelsea have to defend as in the case of the champions League games. He is less noticeable when Chelsea are dominating. That is partly why he is underrated.

TheSuperNerd:
Loooolllll.... Just look at the monikers flooding the thread because of Mikel... Where have they been??

So saying Mikel is World Class gives y'all sleepless nights.....

Sorry folks.... You can't beat truth okay.

Berra take it up with Carlo Ancelloti, the most successful manager in the UCL and a world class manager who was also a world-class CM/DM back in his playing days.

Carlo labels Mikel in every way as "World Class" so make una go burn am.

Mourinho called him a genius in his postion and that it is a miracle if Mikel loses the ball.

World cup winning coach, Luiz Felipe Scolari said, "Mikel 'belongs' in the position"

Ray Wilkins, Roberto di Matteo and so many more spoke of the super qualities of Mikel.... Looolll

So I wonder who in the heavens are on the chelsea forum and here on NL who say otherwise.... Wetin una be for football circles to understand what these "men that matter in the game" are saying?


Even Real Madrid at a time was strongly linked To Mikel...... The foreign media NOT nigerian media covered that news coz it was authentic.

Mikel is world class..... Y'all can go sit down now or keep having sleepless nights bcoz of it. I care not..... Hahahahahahahahaha.....

TheSuperNerd:
It is not persecution complex! IT IS THE BLOODY TRUTH!!! Gosh! It is so obvious.

NL is a faceless forum and some people just wanna garner relevance here that adds nothing to their real lives. Goodness me!

If you insist the bolded is unnecessary then why do you hide away instead of speaking the truth as it is?? You see the newbies throw shades and make derogatory remarks and no one sees your moniker then. You only pop up when someone who has been on the thread replies such newbie to put him/her in his/her place (more like calling them to order). How fair of you indeed!!!

Nobody sees you correct the new monikers' foolishness and you dare speak of fairness. Just wonderful...



So much for you being "the man" and I "the boy"

Don't speak based on bias but speak the truth without fear.

If you being "the man" is afraid to sound out the truth... Then let "the boy" do this... Since you're not man enough.


This is the Super Eagles thread.... It is my keen passion that brings me here and not to hit on monikers OR make absurd arguments (without facts) like others do in the name of attention.

Every opinion is welcome but take note, most will not go without a sound debate.

The fact that expression on social media is free does not mean it should be abused.

irrefragable:
i was surprised when i logged in nairaland early this morning to see 5 mentions all directing back to this thread. Although i understand 'irrefragable' is a word and people use it all the time but I think as regards this issue it should be dropped.

I've moved on after the incidence putting everything behind me leaving the thread in the process and i think everyone should move on and forget something like this ever happened

The incidence really cast me in a bad light like I'm a bad tempered person waiting for the slightest chance to erupt which I'm not.

I understand you have a family thing going on here and family protects their own right? But i still think you should put a chiding word across to that lady.

I've been on nairaland for close to a decade mainly as a guest (though I've used a few monikers now and then) and I'm telling you i know that username. She is rude. She attacks people for no reason not just in sports section, other sections too.

A chastising word in her direction would do her a world of good so she isn't tempted to say thrash to the wrong guy in the streets someday and get her comeuppance.

And please I REALLY REALLY WISH my attention will not be drawn back to this thread by way of mentions. For the sake of God, if possible please substitute the word 'irrefragable' for 'irrefutable' they both mean the same thing.

BTW thumbs up guys, great analysis.

tbaba1234:


When it comes to individual honors Zlatan is miles ahead.. It is not even comparable.

Zlatan has won the league everywhere , he has gone apart from Man Utd.

He has won the Fifa club world cup which Costa has not won.

Mujtahida:

I respect everyone here and bear no one any grudge. I visit this thread every other day and I enjoy the debates save for when arguments become insults. We all share more or less the same passion. Some say Mikel is world class, others against the run of popular opinion here say he is a good player but not world class. I say to each his own because arguments of this nature often do not change opinions irrespective of facts or statistics. I do not think it is hatred to say Mikel is not world class. It's nothing more than just an opinion.

Nihilist:


Carlo Ancelotti won the title in 2010. I was very particular in pointing out that Mikel has literally not Ben relevant in the post-Ancelotti era.

And even then he wasn't world class, though he was decent enough. Any Chelsea fan would tell you that Lampard and Ballack were the real MVPs that year.

Mikel first got kicked out the Chelsea team aged 24 when he should have been approaching his peak. He spent the 5 prime years between the age of 24 and 29 mostly on the bench, and was shipped out to China before he turned 30...that's a damning indictment on any opunion suggesting that Mikel could be world class.

Finally, if you take anything Jose says as the truth, then more fool you. Jose talks anyhow. Instead of showing us what Jose said, you should tell us what Jose actually did - hint (He doesn't trust Mikel enough to be a consistent starter in midfield)

TheSuperNerd:
Nice one but sorry bruv....

I will always take the words of Top Football minds like Carlo ancelloti, Felipe Scolari and co above the words you just spilled.

#HappyWeekend

TheSuperNerd:
We all share what same passion?? The Super Eagles? You wanna tell me some of the monikers trooping in here don't have strong foreign clubs allegiances which they value more than the super eagles?? Anyway... Let's place that aside. Loollll


My own is this:
It is your duty as "the man" to also pop up when one throws the first punch or when one starts chaos here.

But you are only seen when it has to do with "defence" of the newbies.

You are not very good at viewing the whole picture of an issue here which is why I find your first comment so biased and hypocrisy-filled.


Everyone has an opinion, good... then express it without throwing shades and subtle insults.... You didn't see that huh?

Also express it with good facts and points... [/b]Not with character assassination of the mikel personality[b]. Such approaches make the argument absurd.


Ohhh and of course... [/b]And you surely didn't see the manner in which mikel was being addressed[b]. And you still call it an opinion and not hate?

Oga... Keep deceiving yourself you hear.

I'm done with this conversation so please don't bother quoting me. Thanks

TheSuperNerd:
Loooolllll.... Just look at the monikers flooding the thread because of Mikel... Where have they been??

So saying Mikel is World Class gives y'all sleepless nights.....

Sorry folks.... You can't beat truth okay.

Berra take it up with Carlo Ancelloti, the most successful manager in the UCL and a world class manager who was also a world-class CM/DM back in his playing days.

Carlo labels Mikel in every way as "World Class" so make una go burn am.

Mourinho called him a genius in his postion and that it is a miracle if Mikel loses the ball.

World cup winning coach, Luiz Felipe Scolari said, "Mikel 'belongs' in the position"

Ray Wilkins, Roberto di Matteo and so many more spoke of the super qualities of Mikel.... Looolll

So I wonder who in the heavens are on the chelsea forum and here on NL who say otherwise.... Wetin una be for football circles to understand what these "men that matter in the game" are saying?


Even Real Madrid at a time was strongly linked To Mikel...... The foreign media NOT nigerian media covered that news coz it was authentic.

Mikel is world class..... Y'all can go sit down now or keep having sleepless nights bcoz of it. I care not..... Hahahahahahahahaha.....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Ancelotti

A world-class midfielder, he was known for his leadership and organisational skills and is regarded as one of the best Italian midfielders of his generation.

Although he lacked pace, as well as notable
physical and athletic characteristics, he was a
hard-working, combative and tenacious team-
player, who was competent defensively, and who also possessed excellent technical ability, tactical intelligence, vision and passing range

Nihilist:


Carlo Ancelotti said Mikel was a good Young player with good technique. He never said Mikel was world class.

That's a description that would fit almost all young players in the EPL today.

So if you're arguing that Mikel was good based on Ancelotti's statement, you would be correct.

If you're trying to build an argument that Mikel is/was world class based on that innocuous statement, then there is a degree of cognitive dissonance involved.

Mujtahida:

Easy, guy, easy. As far as I recall nobody few threads back attacked Mikel's personality nor was his person addressed in any ill manner. Some just hold the opinion that he is not world class.it's an opinion for godsakes. Others say he is world class. It's still an opinion. In fact guys here are not even unanimous on what is world class. Let the two angles be debated, let views and counterviews be taken in decorum, in graciousness. That's just my angle.

TheSuperNerd:
Ohhh... Some people did subtly attack Mikel's name.

And as for debate... It had been done... Facts from both divides have been given and it is obvious whose facts is more cogent and more convincing.

I have left links and quotes and facts... What more more do you want?




P.S: (this P.S. message is not for you, Mujtahida)

Sorry if I ignore any mention by anyone trying to incite me.... So sorry me ignoring you shows the level of stupidity in that post... I am kind like that

TheGoodJoe:


Is Chidi due for a work permit in England? I do not think so.

goldfish80:

What class is Diego Costa? Premier league class? Or local class? You must be kidding me.

goldfish80:

Kante in his present form is world class. Griezman in his present form without winning any major trophy is world class. Dmitry Payet have produced world class performances over the past few years in a world class league, he is world class.
If the aforementioned players form drop then we can safely say they are no longer world class. It is that simple.

TheSuperNerd:
According to Jose Mourinho, Mikel is 'a genius in
his position', to the extent it is 'a miracle if he
loses the ball'. The Portuguese, who signed the
Nigerian seven-and-a-half years ago and is now
managing him again, is not alone when it comes to those who have sung Mikel's praises since he moved to west London.

Luiz Felipe Scolari said 'he belongs in the
position'.

Carlo Ancelotti likened Mikel's style to his
own, a compliment not to be taken lightly
considering the Italian's own glittering playing
career.

Ray Wilkins, a lieutenant of both
Ancelotti's and Guus Hiddink's before that, and an exceptional former midfielder himself, hailed Mikel as a player who 'reads the game exceptionally well, is as strong as an ox and has a lovely range of passing'. Andre Villas-Boas admired his 'amazing mental toughness' when he played on despite the abduction of his father in Nigeria, and, following our epic run to the Champions League final in 2012, Roberto Di Matteo stressed the significance of the 'vital' role he played throughout the latter stages of that glorious European campaign, highlighting disciplined defensive performances against Barcelona and Bayern Munich.

Source: http://www.chelseafc.com/news/features/words-with--john-mikel-obi.html


Happy weekend

P.S: Carlo was a world-class Midfielder in his playing days in the exact same mould of Mikel.... Read about his playing style here...





Carlo = Worldclass = Same style with Mikel = Achievements and world class performances on the biggest stages of the game = Mikel..

Carlo = Worldclass = Mikel .EOD.

Wingback:




Anyone can be exceptional when they have steroids and Drugs so far up they muscles...I said two more years not two years and Leicester isn't Top flight...... So ama change that to 2 years of Solid displays against champions league teams...His clock starts counting when he holds his own against Vidal, Busquet etc...

TheSuperNerd:
According to Jose Mourinho, Mikel is 'a genius in
his position', to the extent it is 'a miracle if he
loses the ball'. The Portuguese, who signed the
Nigerian seven-and-a-half years ago and is now
managing him again, is not alone when it comes to those who have sung Mikel's praises since he moved to west London.

Luiz Felipe Scolari said 'he belongs in the
position'.

Carlo Ancelotti likened Mikel's style to his
own, a compliment not to be taken lightly
considering the Italian's own glittering playing
career.

Ray Wilkins, a lieutenant of both
Ancelotti's and Guus Hiddink's before that, and an exceptional former midfielder himself, hailed Mikel as a player who 'reads the game exceptionally well, is as strong as an ox and has a lovely range of passing'. Andre Villas-Boas admired his 'amazing mental toughness' when he played on despite the abduction of his father in Nigeria, and, following our epic run to the Champions League final in 2012, Roberto Di Matteo stressed the significance of the 'vital' role he played throughout the latter stages of that glorious European campaign, highlighting disciplined defensive performances against Barcelona and Bayern Munich.

Source: http://www.chelseafc.com/news/features/words-with--john-mikel-obi.html


Happy weekend

P.S: Carlo was a world-class Midfielder in his playing days in the exact same mould of Mikel.... Read about his playing style here...





Carlo = Worldclass = Same style with Mikel = Achievements and world class performances on the biggest stages of the game = Mikel..

Carlo = Worldclass = Mikel .EOD.

TheGoodJoe:


Stop paying attention to some of these guys. You end up repeating your points. If it is so difficult for them to get that playing at a top level for a long time is World Class, how do you think you can convince them?

irrefragable:
i was surprised when i logged in nairaland early this morning to see 5 mentions all directing back to this thread. Although i understand 'irrefragable' is a word and people use it all the time but I think as regards this issue it should be dropped.

I've moved on after the incidence putting everything behind me leaving the thread in the process and i think everyone should move on and forget something like this ever happened

The incidence really cast me in a bad light like I'm a bad tempered person waiting for the slightest chance to erupt which I'm not.

I understand you have a family thing going on here and family protects their own right? But i still think you should put a chiding word across to that lady.

I've been on nairaland for close to a decade mainly as a guest (though I've used a few monikers now and then) and I'm telling you i know that username. She is rude. She attacks people for no reason not just in sports section, other sections too.

A chastising word in her direction would do her a world of good so she isn't tempted to say thrash to the wrong guy in the streets someday and get her comeuppance.

And please I REALLY REALLY WISH my attention will not be drawn back to this thread by way of mentions. For the sake of God, if possible please substitute the word 'irrefragable' for 'irrefutable' they both mean the same thing.

BTW thumbs up guys, great analysis.

zoboizee:
@ Forgiveness, i think your list is ok but with the present synergy in the team, i will rather suggest we tweak the team a bit.

In central defense, we may test ken otigba for option.

We can test either of ebuehi, idowu or odubajo(if fit & switched) on our full backs & see where they perfectly suits the team- whether leftback or rightback.

Defensive midfielder to be weighed should be either esiti, ogu, raheem or mikel agu. We already have onazi, ndidi & shehu in that order. Though personally i will prefer mikel first.

Central/attacking midfield. We may test either henry onyekuru, sone, success or samuel kalu. They seem to have been the most impressive talents i have seen of recent of nigerian origin. Though this position is already loaded because we have Oghenekaro Etebo,Mikel Obi, victor Moses, Ahmed Musa, Alexander Iwobi & Moses Simon.

In attack, i think either of aaron samuel, Adi or young gun like osimhen (if fit) or abraham (if switched) will be a good addition to be tested along our strike force of kelechi, brown & ighalo.

Nihilist:


Technically by your own definition, Mikel is most definitely not world class as he's hardly even been playing for almost a decade...let alone at top level.

TheGoodJoe:
Not a World class player.

safarigirl:
Please can we leave this Mikel debate? Nothing irks me more than seeing a bunch of faveless people on a forum discrediting another person's pain and sweat simply because they can.

Mikel is not world class to you, no wahala, but he's world class by Nigerian standards and in a Nigerian jersey, that is what matters to us as Nigerians and fans of the Super Eagles. Now, can some of us stop giving Mikel haters more reason to bash the guy? He gets enough stick from these people on a normal basis

Imagine one fellow even has the guts to call Mikel a nonentity, who the f-uck are you and what is your contribution to the Nigerian society that gives you the right to call him that @ nihilist? What sports article have you written? How many football-related accolades do you have? What makes you an authority on football that you will sit in one corner and boldly call Mikel a nonentity?

goldfish80:

What class is he?

TheGoodJoe:


Not a World class player.