The Similarities in thier dressing , language and Culture looks so Edo!

This Ika issue's being discussed on my thread as of now. They're more of a hybrid of Edo and Igbo linguistically at least and that's led to an ethnic identity crisis with them.

Urhobo and Isoko are definitely Edoid and they're both classified as Edoid languages.

Probz:
This Ika issue's being discussed on my thread as of now. They're more of a hybrid of Edo and Igbo linguistically at least and that's led to an ethnic identity crisis with them.

Urhobo and Isoko are definitely Edoid and they're both classified as Edoid languages.

Ika language sounds more edoid to me with borrowed igbo words

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfxHP_AHlAk

nengibo:

Ika language sounds more edoid to me with borrowed igbo words

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfxHP_AHlAk

Language-wise, Ika language is closer to Igbo than to Edo. There are many lines in that song that I understand. I wonder if an Edo person can understand as much as I did.

RedboneSmith:



Language-wise, Ika language is closer to Igbo than to Edo. There are many lines in that song that I understand. I wonder if an Edo person can understand as much as I did.

What does the song mean

nengibo:

What does the song mean

I don't understand every line, but from what i understand the song is calling on people to rep their land/hometown/village wherever they may be, because one's land is the source of one's existence. Then towards the end he was calling out and hailing prominent Ika people.

RedboneSmith:


I don't understand every line, but from what i understand the song is calling on people to rep their land/hometown/village wherever they may be, because one's land is the source of one's existence. Then towards the end he was calling out and hailing prominent Ika people.

Okay

RedboneSmith:



Language-wise, Ika language is closer to Igbo than to Edo. There are many lines in that song that I understand. I wonder if an Edo person can understand as much as I did.

Yes. Ika language is obviously closer to Igbo than Edo. but what do you mean by having many lines you can understand? Ain't you an Anioma man anymore? Edo person will be lost in this song. Benin people understand only a little Esan even though Esan understand Bini. It's same with Urhobo and Isoko.

The video is not a cultural Ika song. I don't know what to call it. The language and lyrics is very poor. maybe some guys forcing themselves into music.


And can all those shameless Igbos peddling lies how Ika people has majority Igbo names listen to the names the musician is calling?

gerg:
Yes. Ika language is obviously closer to Igbo than Edo. but what do you mean by having many lines you can understand? Aint you an Anioma man anymore.

I am Oshimili o, bros. Ika is linguistically distinct from how we speak in Oshimili. We don't automatically understand everything Ika people say. Oshimili is quite close to how they speak in some parts of Anambra.


I like the song sha. I've been singing the parts I understand since yesterday.

RedboneSmith:


I am Oshimili o, bros. Ika is linguistically distinct from how we speak in Oshimili. We don't automatically understand everything Ika people say. Oshimili is quite close to how they speak in some parts of Anambra.


I like the song sha. I've been singing the parts I understand since yesterday.

I disagree with you on Oshimili being closer to how they speak in Anambra than Ika. Anioma ethnics are basically one language with different intonation. Enuani happens to lean more towards Igbos than the others but that doesn't make it closer to them than it is to other Anioma groups.

Take for instance, language formation in all Aniomas are the same. One quick example that came to my mind is the eradication of consonants in the possessive pronoun. and even the ones that retained the consonants is basically similar between all Anioma groups. Please ignore my poor local writing. find if difficult writing some local words. Most Igbos woul say Nke ya for his own but we in Anioma say Nke e. Nke gi is Nkeiii in Anioma. Obum mu (ie, it's me) is Mu do in Enuani and Me ro in Ika. Obuya is Ya do in Enuani, ya ro in Ika. I can go on and on. Language formation in Anioma is basically the same. same words but different intonations. sometimes, it's almost exactly same intonation

gerg:
I disagree with you on Oshimili being closer to how they speak in Anambra than Ika. Anioma ethnics are basically one language with different intonation. Enuani happens to lean more towards Igbos than the others but that doesn't make it closer to them than it is to other Anioma groups.

Take for instance, language formation in all Aniomas are the same. One quick example that came to my mind is the eradication of consonants in the possessive pronoun. and even the ones that retained the consonants is basically similar between all Anioma groups. Please ignore my poor local writing. find if difficult writing some local words. Most Igbos woul say Nke ya for his own but we in Anioma say Nke e. Nke gi is Nkeiii in Anioma. Obum mu (ie, it's me) is Mu do in Enuani and Me ro in Ika. Obuya is Ya do in Enuani, ya ro in Ika. I can go on and on. Language formation in Anioma is basically the same. same words but different intonations. sometimes, it's almost exactly same intonation

It is very easy to pick a perspective and leave out other perspectives. Ika and Enuani do have many similarities due to interrelations and common linguistic influence from Benin, no doubts there.

On the other hand, I can point out many, many points of convergence between Oshimili and Anambra dialects like Idemmili. Even 'nke i' instead of nke gi which you pointed out is common throughout Idemmili area and beyond.

One obvious common trait is that Enuani and Anambra uses n to replace l in Ika. So Enuani and Anambra say Ani and not ali like in Ika, and enu and not elu as in Ika.

Anambra and Enuani also use l to replace r in Ika. So Enuani/Anambra say ala while Ika will say era.

Ika will use e where Anambra and Enuani will use a. Ekwa/Akwa, ekwukwo/akwukwo, ekpa/akpa etc.

I can actually go on and on. I do not believe Anioma is one language like you said because evidence does not suggest so.


Anambra people communicate much more easily with us than they can communicate with Ika folks.

gerg:
I disagree with you on Oshimili being closer to how they speak in Anambra than Ika. Anioma ethnics are basically one language with different intonation. Enuani happens to lean more towards Igbos than the others but that doesn't make it closer to them than it is to other Anioma groups.

Take for instance, language formation in all Aniomas are the same. One quick example that came to my mind is the eradication of consonants in the possessive pronoun. and even the ones that retained the consonants is basically similar between all Anioma groups. Please ignore my poor local writing. find if difficult writing some local words. Most Igbos woul say Nke ya for his own but we in Anioma say Nke e. Nke gi is Nkeiii in Anioma. Obum mu (ie, it's me) is Mu do in Enuani and Me ro in Ika. Obuya is Ya do in Enuani, ya ro in Ika. I can go on and on. Language formation in Anioma is basically the same. same words but different intonations. sometimes, it's almost exactly same intonation

I know it's more complex for Ika and Ukwuani but Enuani's classed as an Igbo dialect, not even an 'Igboid language' and from what I've heard it does sound more Onitsha/Ogidi than anything else.

Most Igbos woul say Nke ya for his own but we in Anioma say Nke e. Nke gi is Nkeiii in Anioma.

This is same in Idemili.

I have heard Ika before, it doesn't sound this way, including Ukwuani/Ndokwa. Only Enu-ani sound this way.
Only Enu-ani speaking Ika people like Igbodo sound that way too.

RedboneSmith:


It is very easy to pick a perspective and leave out other perspectives. Ika and Enuani do have many similarities due to interrelations and common linguistic influence from Benin, no doubts there.

On the other hand, I can point out many, many points of convergence between Oshimili and Anambra dialects like Idemmili. Even 'nke i' instead of nke gi which you pointed out is common throughout Idemmili area and beyond.

One obvious common trait is that Enuani and Anambra uses n to replace l in Ika. So Enuani and Anambra say Ani and not ali like in Ika, and enu and not elu as in Ika.

Anambra and Enuani also use l to replace r in Ika. So Enuani/Anambra say ala while Ika will say era.

Ika will use e where Anambra and Enuani will use a. Ekwa/Akwa, ekwukwo/akwukwo, ekpa/akpa etc.

I can actually go on and on. I do not believe Anioma is one language like you said because evidence does not suggest so.


Anambra people communicate much more easily with us than they can communicate with Ika folks.

Now, this is good.
If only you would sound this way more often.

Igboid:




Now, this is good.
If only you would sound this way more often.

If tomorrow you people start talking about things you don't know, I will still sound the way you will not like.

RedboneSmith:


If tomorrow you people start talking about things you don't know, I will still sound the way you will not like.

Lol! And you won't be seeing our good side either when your Igbophobic/ Igalaphilic side rears it ugly head, we would be here to put it in check, So, it's a two way thing. Takes two to tangle, you know.

Igboid:


Lol! And you won't be seeing our good side either when your Igbophobic/ Igalaphilic side rears it ugly head, we would be here to put it in check, So, it's a two way thing. Takes two to tangle, you know.

You don't have a good side. I am used to you the way you are.

Igboid:
Most Igbos woul say Nke ya for his own but we in Anioma say Nke e. Nke gi is Nkeiii in Anioma.

This is same in Idemili.

I have heard Ika before, it doesn't sound this way, including Ukwuani/Ndokwa. Only Enu-ani sound this way.
Only Enu-ani speaking Ika people like Igbodo sound that way too.

What is this one saying? Idemili and environs are affiliated with Anioma so they speak like Anioma in some occasions. but what do you mean Ika and Ukwani don't sound that way?

gerg:
What is this one saying? Idemili and environs are affiliated with Anioma so they speak like Anioma in some occasions. but what do you mean Ika and Ukwani don't sound that way?

Ika and Ukwuani sound less light and fluent, unlike Enu-ani and Idemili.
Ika and Ukwuani are highly tonal with your non observance of the rule of "Ndakorita Udaume" , which Redbonesmith had done justice on with that his post.

Both Ika and Ukwuani sound like dialect clusters found in Imo state.
Ika more than Ukwuani.

RedboneSmith:


It is very easy to pick a perspective and leave out other perspectives. Ika and Enuani do have many similarities due to interrelations and common linguistic influence from Benin, no doubts there.

On the other hand, I can point out many, many points of convergence between Oshimili and Anambra dialects like Idemmili. Even 'nke i' instead of nke gi which you pointed out is common throughout Idemmili area and beyond.

One obvious common trait is that Enuani and Anambra uses n to replace l in Ika. So Enuani and Anambra say Ani and not ali like in Ika, and enu and not elu as in Ika.

Anambra and Enuani also use l to replace r in Ika. So Enuani/Anambra say ala while Ika will say era.

Ika will use e where Anambra and Enuani will use a. Ekwa/Akwa, ekwukwo/akwukwo, ekpa/akpa etc.

I can actually go on and on. I do not believe Anioma is one language like you said because evidence does not suggest so.


Anambra people communicate much more easily with us than they can communicate with Ika folks.

of course, Anambra folks communicate better with you guys than us. that's a fact. I'm not talking about Enuani-Anambra Ika-Anambra similarities but I'm talking about Enuani-Anambra Enuani-Ika relationship.

The N to L like in Ani and Ali and L to R differences you gave is inconsequential. Anybody that understands what Ani means will understand what Ali mean. so also Ekwa and the era example. But the example I gave is more diverse. Somebody that's not from the Anioma (including the Anambra part) can never understand what I mean by Nkei, Nke eh. Only the Anioma axis of Anambra and their neighbors which they influenced will understand this. Which shows it's an Anioma form of speaking. What is it is Ki ro in Ika and Ki do in Enuani as against Ogini used in the East. The Anambra folks don't understand this by default except they've lived among the Aniomas. There are many examples I can give but you will only understand this if you've lived among the three groups which I'm sure you have. just that you never noticed this or thought about it from this perspective. The Enuani-Anambra relationship is not as deep as the Enuani-Ika relationship. this is just my point. There is some slight differences between the Enuanis of Delta and those in Anambra. but there are many similarities as well. Enuani guys sounds so much like the Anambra on the surface (especially those guys related to Anioma and to some extent those around them) but it's more like Ika and Ukwani than it is to Anambra guys.

Igboid:


Ika and Ukwuani sound less light and fluent, unlike Enu-ani and Idemili.
Ika and Ukwuani are highly tonal with your non observance of the rule of "Ndakorita Udaume" , which Redbonesmith had done justice on with that his post.

Both Ika and Ukwuani sound like dialect clusters found in Imo state.
Ika more than Ukwuani.

I understand what Redbonesmith was talking about but I don't understand you at all. The example I gave is more Ika than it is Enuani but you said Ikas don't speak like that? maybe you just didn't know. I suspect

gerg:
of course, Anambra folks communicate better with you guys than us. that's a fact. I'm not talking about Enuani-Anambra Ika-Anambra similarities but I'm talking about Enuani-Anambra Enuani-Ika relationship.

The N to L like in Ani and Ali and L to R differences you gave is inconsequential. Anybody that understands what Ani means will understand what Ali mean. so also Ekwa and the era example. But the example I gave is more diverse. Somebody that's not from the Anioma (including the Anambra part) can never understand what I mean by Nkei, Nke eh. Only the Anioma axis of Anambra and their neighbors which they influenced will understand this. Which shows it's an Anioma form of speaking. What is it is Ki ro in Ika and Ki do in Enuani as against Ogini used in the East. The Anambra folks don't understand this by default except they've lived among the Aniomas. The Enuani-Anambra relationship is not as deep as the Enuani-Ika relationship. this is just my point. Enuani guys sounds so much like the Anambra on the surface (especially those guys related to Anioma and to some extent those around them) but it's more like Ika and Ukwani than it is to Anambra guys.

Bros, believe me when i tell you that anyone who doesn't code what nkei means does not understand Igbo at all.

Also, not everybody says ogini in the east. I hear many easterners say K'iyoo all the time (a contraction of 'Kee iye o') and this is cognatically related to ki ro and ki do.

gerg:
of course, Anambra folks communicate better with you guys than us. that's a fact. I'm not talking about Enuani-Anambra Ika-Anambra similarities but I'm talking about Enuani-Anambra Enuani-Ika relationship.

The N to L like in Ani and Ali and L to R differences you gave is inconsequential. Anybody that understands what Ani means will understand what Ali mean. so also Ekwa and the era example. But the example I gave is more diverse. Somebody that's not from the Anioma (including the Anambra part) can never understand what I mean by Nkei, Nke eh. Only the Anioma axis of Anambra and their neighbors which they influenced will understand this. Which shows it's an Anioma form of speaking. What is it is Ki ro in Ika and Ki do in Enuani as against Ogini used in the East. The Anambra folks don't understand this by default except they've lived among the Aniomas. The Enuani-Anambra relationship is not as deep as the Enuani-Ika relationship. this is just my point. Enuani guys sounds so much like the Anambra on the surface (especially those guys related to Anioma and to some extent those around them) but it's more like Ika and Ukwani than it is to Anambra guys.

Bros, believe me when i tell you that anyone who doesn't code what nkei means does not understand Igbo at all.

Also, not everybody says ogini in the east. I hear many easterners say K'iyoo all the time (a contraction of 'Kee iye o') and this is cognatically related to ki ro and ki do.

RedboneSmith:


Bros, believe me when i tell you that anyone who doesn't code what nkei means does not understand Igbo at all.

Also, not everybody says ogini in the east. I hear many easterners say K'iyoo all the time (a contraction of 'Kee iye o') and this is cognatically related to ki ro and ki do.

I'm an Ika man and I've been with Igbos from different parts of the East. Many of the things we talk in Anioma (Enuani, Ukwani and Ika) is not easily understood by those guys in the East. Ki ro, Ki do and Nkei, Nke ee and many others. I answer call in the presence of those Easterners. I can't imagine having this debate with someone from Anioma

gerg:
I'm an Ika man and I've been with Igbos from different parts of the East. Many of the things we talk in Anioma (Enuani, Ukwani and Ika) is not easily understood by those guys in the East. Ki ro, Ki do and Nkei, Nke ee and many others. I answer call in the presence of those Easterners. I can't imagine having this debate with someone from Anioma

Okay, there seems to be a miscommunication here, so i will quickly restate my points.

I did not say an easterner will automatically understand ki ro and ki do. I am sure they will not. I only pointed out that easterners don't always say ogini, but say things like K'iyoo which is close to ki ro and ki do.

I maintain that any easterner who does not understand nkei is not grounded in Igbo language. As for nke eh, I can imagine some (or even many) easterners not being able to understand it.

You make calls in front of Igbos and they don't understand you. Of course, I don't expect them to. The linguistic distance between Ika and many Igbo dialects is quite substantial.

Lastly, what started this little argument was my statement that Oshimili is close to what they speak in (parts of) Anambra. I am still here wondering why anyone would want to dispute that.

What RedboneSmith said. I myself don't know what to think about Ika and Ukwuani people but the Enuani clan as about as authentic and central Igbo gets in linguistic terms at the least. Asaba Igbo is just an off-shoot of the Onitsha dialect and it's easier to understand than (aside from the obvious Izzi-Ezza/Waawa) the dialects they speak in Abia State and most parts of Imo State. No one grounded in Enuani matters would even dispute that.

RedboneSmith:


Okay, there seems to be a miscommunication here, so i will quickly restate my points.

I did not say an easterner will automatically understand ki ro and ki do. I am sure they will not. I only pointed out that easterners don't always say ogini, but say things like K'iyoo which is close to ki ro and ki do.

I maintain that any easterner who does not understand nkei is not grounded in Igbo language. As for nke eh, I can imagine some (or even many) easterners not being able to understand it.

You make calls in front of Igbos and they don't understand you. Of course, I don't expect them to. The linguistic distance between Ika and many Igbo dialects is quite substantial.

Lastly, what started this little argument was my statement that Oshimili is close to what they speak in (parts of) Anambra. I am still here wondering why anyone would want to dispute that.

Easterners don't understand Nkei and nke eh and some other exclusive Anioma words and expressions. I've tried speaking Ika to many Easterners. I never argued Oshimili being close to what they speak in some parts of Anambra. What I don't agree on is Oshimili being closer to what they speak in Anambra than it is to Ika. The Enuani-Anambra similarities are mostly some central Igbo words which every Igbo person understand but the Enuani-Ika similarities are deeper. Only Anioma and other affiliated people can understand them.

Too much ignorance in this thread,somebody who dosent knw dat all parts of Igboland have their own dialects acting like an authority on igbo language,I am from ANAMBRA based in OWERRI,there is a mountain of difference btw what i speak nd what they speak in IMO
Let me gve some examples
To laugh is ichi ochi in Owerri but in my side its 'Imu Amuu',an Imolite who av never interacted with my side of Ndi anambra can never understand that

We will say gini,some nnewi will say gunu,while owerri is NINI

We say kitaa for now,an owerri will say ugbulaka
We say iteghete for nine,they will say itolu

We say EBEA For here,they say NGA

These are few of the diff btw idemili and owerri,we also have diff in FOOD
If u dont knw asj and stop making mockery of urself

agadez007:
Too much ignorance in this thread,somebody who dosent knw dat all parts of Igboland have their own dialects acting like an authority on igbo language,I am from ANAMBRA based in OWERRI,there is a mountain of difference btw what i speak nd what they speak in IMO
Let me gve some examples
To laugh is ichi ochi in Owerri but in my side its 'Imu Amuu',an Imolite who av never interacted with my side of Ndi anambra can never understand that

We will say gini,some nnewi will say gunu,while owerri is NINI

We say kitaa for now,an owerri will say ugbulaka
We say iteghete for nine,they will say itolu

We say EBEA For here,they say NGA

These are few of the diff btw idemili and owerri,we also have diff in FOOD
If u dont knw asj and stop making mockery of urself

the ignorance is coming from you. You do not understand where an argument is coming from before you started commenting out of context. Who doesn't know all south Easterners don't speak the same?

gerg:
the ignorance is coming from you. You do not understand where an argument is coming from before you started commenting out of context. Who doesn't know all south Easterners don't speak the same?

Then knowing all Southeasterners don't speak same,you should also have known that majority Anambra communities understand,and some speak,nkei and nke e.
You are the one being ignorant here.
@Redbonesmith,some communities in Orumba and Aguata say ekwukwo for akwukwo.
@Agadez007,we say fundua for now.

Dhugal:

Then knowing all Southeasterners don't speak same,you should also have known that majority Anambra communities understand,and some speak,nkei and nke e.
You are the one being ignorant here.
@Redbonesmith,some communities in Orumba and Aguata say ekwukwo for akwukwo.
@Agadez007,we say fundua for now.

Who's debating that? Do you know that there are some Anioma affiliated groups in Anambra? But the're just a minute number so using that as an example doesn't count in this instance. I can as well say they are Enuani people even if their Enuani is adulterated. And the funny thing is they all claim Benin origin. Is it a coincidence that all Anioma groups and Anioma related groups claim Bini origin irrespective of what State they are from?

Ekwokwo and Akwokwo are exactly the same thing. same as Ali/Ani and Ara and era. That example is very inconsequential here. Stressing vowels to replace consonants is an entirely different thing. it alters the sound completely that others not conversant with it get lost to what the speaker is saying.

gerg:
the ignorance is coming from you. You do not understand where an argument is coming from before you started commenting out of context. Who doesn't know all south Easterners don't speak the same?

twas you dat said u aniomas say ki do or ki ro while easterners say Ogini,dats wat am trying to correct,owerri people speak nini not gini