jln115:

Im with @Henry240 on this one.....Those Jaguars are nothing more than scrape metal, it would literally cost more to get them operational than it would to buy a brand new F7!

What Nigeria need now are dedicated COIN aircraft like the Tucano......although i would much prefer NAF striking a deal with Paramount for the Mwari!!

Hrmnn:


I'm not as well informed on the Jaguar as some of the other aircraft enthusiasts on this forum, but I'd like to point out that the only reason Iran could keep its Western aircraft airworthy was because it purchases the (predominantly US made) parts for them on the black market at exorbitant prices. Some countries that are retiring old US aircraft probably allow their remaining inventories of spares to be sold to Iran through back channels.

I once read an interesting book about the Iran-Iraq War in which it mentioned the Iranian military has always had to spent several times the normal market price on spare parts for everything due to sanctions.

You can only cannibalise so many parts before you run out, indigenous manufacturing is impossible without the blueprints or the right tooling equipment, and black market parts are also quite expensive. Iran only did the latter because it had no choice. With the amount of money it spent on keeping those old aircraft operational, it could have purchased more brand new aircraft that were far superior.

darknetcom:
but its better to dont scrape the jaguars...

just try to maintain down on low cost..

you can never know when those socalled superpowers attack us in the future because we pissed them off they way they did with ghadaffi...

we will not have time to purchase whatever...

atleast we would have enough jets protecting our airspace..

loosing air supremacy today is a desaster for ground forces...

tdayof:

i don't know why but I find you to be hilarious.

tdayof:
Do your assignments well. Air tractor won't get to Nigeria. The super Tucano is the best we can get knowing fully Nigeria also signed a MOU on UAV production with a Brazilian company then the reason for going for the Tucano is obvious.

Hrmnn:


I'm not as well informed on the Jaguar as some of the other aircraft enthusiasts on this forum, but I'd like to point out that the only reason Iran could keep its Western aircraft airworthy was because it purchases the (predominantly US made) parts for them on the black market at exorbitant prices. Some countries that are retiring old US aircraft probably allow their remaining inventories of spares to be sold to Iran through back channels.

I once read an interesting book about the Iran-Iraq War in which it mentioned the Iranian military has always had to spent several times the normal market price on spare parts for everything due to sanctions.

You can only cannibalise so many parts before you run out, indigenous manufacturing is impossible without the blueprints or the right tooling equipment, and black market parts are also quite expensive. Iran only did the latter because it had no choice. With the amount of money it spent on keeping those old aircraft operational, it could have purchased more brand new aircraft that were far superior.

MikeCZA:
To me the Air tractor is a flying coffi...n doesn't even have ejection seats.


I'd rather acquire more attack or gunship helicopters.

jakeporeshenko:
Angolan Aw-109

Odunayaw:
same with me Jock
I would love d success of the Mwari

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Odunayaw:
while u r at it Steve, u mind telling any aircraft better than the super tucano in d market?

jln115:

Im with @Henry240 on this one.....Those Jaguars are nothing more than scrape metal, it would literally cost more to get them operational than it would to buy a brand new F7!

What Nigeria need now are dedicated COIN aircraft like the Tucano......although i would much prefer NAF striking a deal with Paramount for the Mwari!!

africaken254:
because AH-64 Apache has an ejection seats and what the difference between attack and gunship helicopter you were so enlighten to quote !?

MikeCZA:
To me the Air tractor is a flying coffi...n doesn't even have ejection seats.


I'd rather acquire more attack or gunship helicopters.

MikeCZA:
Nope.

The Air tractor doesn't have ejection seats like others I it's class.

Should have said dedicated attacked helicopter.

Utility helicopters mounted with weapons to attack ground targets like the Oryx gunship.

tdayof:
Do your assignments well. Air tractor won't get to Nigeria. The super Tucano is the best we can get knowing fully Nigeria also signed a MOU on UAV production with a Brazilian company then the reason for going for the Tucano is obvious.

africaken254:
because AH-64 Apache has an ejection seats and what the difference between attack and gunship helicopter you were so enlighten to quote !?

africaken254:
so they should install ejection seats to suit your class !?

andrewza:
no but like all milltary helcopters you stand a better chance of surviving a crash in a AH64 than a light air craft. By the way why pic a insanly costly AH64


Gunship and attack are the same thing really

africaken254:
so they should install ejection seats to suit your class !?

MikeCZA:
Conclusion: There are better aircraft in it's class.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFWEaNJxnW4

overhypedsteve:
i know what you are talking about. like i said earlier " poorer nations have fought wars with better assets" how can you even put the words cost effective together and use them to describe an aircraft that we have been trying to procure for years without success(even at the high point of the insurgency when we needed them urgently, costing us our pride in the international scene, whereby because of this said Aircraft our Armed forces have been described as unprofessional, human right abusers. fielding the Aircraft might be cost effective but procuring one has cost us a lot as a sovereign state in terms of National pride.

overhypedsteve:
no dude, to save lives

darknetcom:
but its better to dont scrape the jaguars...

just try to maintain down on low cost..

you can never know when those socalled superpowers attack us in the future because we pissed them off they way they did with ghadaffi...

we will not have time to purchase whatever...

atleast we would have enough jets protecting our airspace..

loosing air supremacy today is a desaster for ground forces...

africaken254:
because helicopters are designed to crush but not what you call light aircraft !? do you even the gross empty weight with armour and without weapons of an AU-802 ISR(attack aircraft) !?

andrewza:



Yes helcopters are built to crash. Firstly it is easier to do a emergency landing in a helcopter. Second they have shock absorbing seats. It not about weight or armour it all about the seats.


So easier to do a emergency landing and better seats.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx5YeqTBcDI