chkil:
Oldies. Mil Mi-4 Hound exposed in a airbase , Algeria ( in service 1962)

africaken254:
so you want to tell us rotary aircrafts are designed by aliens but fixed wing aircraft are designed by aircraft engineers

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx5YeqTBcDI

egypt army Panthera T6 APC's

Henry240:


The problem i have with the Mwari is, it is a brand new platform which hasn't been tested in combat. We don't have that luxury to be a test bed for a new platform. In every development cycle of a new asset, problems are bound to arise. What we need is an airplane that has proven record of combat delivery. Records available show that in a LICW or COIN threat environment the Tucano has been more effective than fast jets, that thing can loiter for 8 hours, more than many attack helicopters.

With the Mwari, we can get co-production rights which is a good thing down the line, but we cannot be a test bed.

africaken254:
so you want to tell us rotary aircrafts are designed by aliens but fixed wing aircraft are designed by aircraft engineers

chkil:


maybe he talk about the autorotation , helicopter can land safely without his engine in case of engines problems

the Kamov 50 have also ejection seats

tchadien public security minister in visit in algeria , police

africaken254:
actually a fixed wing aircraft can also use its wings to glide incase of an engine failure and crush land

africaken254:
because AH-64 Apache has an ejection seats and what the difference between attack and gunship helicopter you were so enlighten to quote !?

Nok234:

Look Kenya is a bitch being bleeped in every single Hole by US. You have no dignity, your soldiers are actors for al shabab propaganda videos. NIGERIAN ARMED FORCES SAVED MILLIONS OF LIVES, Killes thousand and thousand of muder Bleep, you guys are the GODS OF RETREAT, your top soldiers always being captured always crying they dont want to die ohhh some video almost make me cry, your armed forces cant even fight against Civilian Joint Task of Maiduguri.
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=5DFaDg8KNhI

Henry240:


Let me respond to this. I'll like to stay on topic and not talk about politics.

We flew 6777 hours of combat sorties in the first 10 months of 2016. Costing us billions in Naira. We could probably have flown more if we had an aircraft like the Tucano. The A-29 doesn't need you or i or anybody here to like it. It is a necessity, we need to be able to do more for less, taken into account our current threat environment.

This is not to say we don't need more modern 4 GEN fighters, we do and that is why we have an initial order for 3 x JF-17. This number is expected to rise to 18 at the very least.

We have been trying to procure the Tucano since 2014 without success, however we are talking about an aircraft which has the best combat record in a LICW environment. We would also get good financing from the US if we are to eventually get it from them. Until then, we have ordered 3 x Super-Tucanos from Brazil and could still get 3 x more while we wait for the US deal.

I'm confident we would not have problems with the Tucano because, if the US decides to slap us a sanction on the Turboprop we would simply fabricate the parts we need, no problem. We've done this with the 4 x Alpha Jets we procured from the US, we've weaponised 2 x MI-17 complete with FLIR, we have done this with both our MI-24 and MI-35 attack helicopters. If it is Avionics, we would build Avionics, we have done this with some of our Air Bettles, which the NAF turned into UAVs. We can also buy civilian parts for the Turboprop, or we go to Embrear in Brazil.

No issues.

We have set into motion our Military Industrial Complex, a significant amount of the equipment used to prosecute our Insurgency is locally made. We have put back into service 178 units of armour. The Nigeria of today is not the same Nigeria we had in the 80s.

So, I'm confident. We should endeavour to purchase the Super Tucano.

Patented:
By all Means lets be a test bed, we were for the CH3. We could order a couple of units and still buy the Tucano. the benefit of the Mwari is greater in the sense that we get to learn a whole lot about air -craft design and production. The knowledge gained will be invaluable in future.

jln115:

Im with @Henry240 on this one.....Those Jaguars are nothing more than scrape metal, it would literally cost more to get them operational than it would to buy a brand new F7!

What Nigeria need now are dedicated COIN aircraft like the Tucano......although i would much prefer NAF striking a deal with Paramount for the Mwari!!

Patented:
By all Means lets be a test bed, we were for the CH3. We could order a couple of units and still buy the Tucano. the benefit of the Mwari is greater in the sense that we get to learn a whole lot about air -craft design and production. The knowledge gained will be invaluable in future.

tdayof:


The truth is if we want huge advantage in aircrafts production, NAF has to employ Aerospace engineers ( I'm not talking about those sent on course to the UK).
Those from AFIT are doing well too but we currently need people with vast knowledge in different areas.

Aircraft manufacturing is something tough and the best is for NAF is to employ foreign guys first. I have seen some Nigerians with Aerospace engineering degrees from top universities like MIT and others

darknetcom:
but its better to dont scrape the jaguars...

just try to maintain down on low cost..

you can never know when those socalled superpowers attack us in the future because we pissed them off they way they did with ghadaffi...

we will not have time to purchase whatever...

atleast we would have enough jets protecting our airspace..

loosing air supremacy today is a desaster for ground forces...

Nok234:


They will not attack us, the thing they can is a proxy war. Helping rebel group or secessionist group like in the past of the country or what is happening in Syria...

africaken254:
during the iran/iraq war the main concern of iranian islamic regime was finding ammo and pilots,who could fly those jet.considering that most pilot were jailed due to suspicion of close links with the previous regime and some had even fled.with recent defence reports from iran,show they have being able to indigenously manufacture most part they would require to fly their western jets.to show how of good quality western aircraft have,during the iran/iraq war iran bought copies of mig-21 from china but they ground due quality standard while america made aircraft were still dogfight with iraq airforce jets

qaddafi was santioned by the west for more than a decade,but still today libya Mirage F1ED jet, Chinook Helicopters are still airworthy and being used by libya nation army in the on going conflict in libya

Patented:
True and Duly noted. if the Mawri fails we learn, if it succedds we use it and we still learn. we dont have to be able to design and produce an entire aircarft initially. A lot goes into an aircraft and every company that makes them subcontracts parts to other companies. we can start with parts here and there, guidance systems etc and the knowledge gained will have uses beyond aerospace.

darknetcom:
but its better to dont scrape the jaguars...

just try to maintain down on low cost..

you can never know when those socalled superpowers attack us in the future because we pissed them off they way they did with ghadaffi...

we will not have time to purchase whatever...

atleast we would have enough jets protecting our airspace..

loosing air supremacy today is a desaster for ground forces...

darknetcom:


better be ready than sorry...

darknetcom:


better be ready than sorry...

Nok234:


But still we need air supremacy but only within Nigeria territory. Jets are use for many other things, interception is one od the current requirment for the air force ... Because seriously an Air force need jets that can fight... Huge number of commercial planes fly accross within Nigeria. To defend Nigeria against terrorist act on/or using commercial planes we dont need something that will kill the defence budget JF-17 can do that job & i dont see the need for f-16 for that. Meanwill we are going to need something for foreign affairs, to do some "diplomacy" if required or protect our citizens, companies, ( Interest ) for that I see a ground attack jet (Su34 like that) since in Africa their are no air power, + some cargo C-130H can still do that job. but where we must focus now is on the Navy for sure we loose many billions due to piracy, so many weapons enter the country from there so if we dont want some Biafra II, or some Boko II, we must be ready over there.
The only way we are going to go for real air supremacy will be if we remain on the side of sahara oriental ... And not maroc ( between the two we see a partner for agriculture they are rich in phosphat and must choose the good one to back our love for jollof can triger a war lol) at that moment we will have some problem because they are very well equip. I dont know the current position of Nigeria but GEJ & PMB all bavk sahara oriental cause.
For me the next senario is if we want to continue what we started with Jammeh, at that moment we will hav many targets so we will need something to really scare dictators ( and I will be in support of it since those guys dont let our companies oparate and give everything to us, france etc... To mainten ther power). and in some country they are back by france like cameroun or gabon...
All depends on our foreign policy, the only way to stay like this without air superiority is to be pacifist & accept everuthing western or easter countries will tell us, being pacifist means no Giant of Africa... But since we cant chill, history shows that, I think we should wait for 5 or 10 years before seing air superiority in our inventory.
Whats for sure right now, we are going to have an interceptor, a baddes ground attack jet.

Hrmnn:


I think you're underestimating what it takes to indigenously manufacture the parts to a turbofan aircraft engine 100% from scratch.

South Africa could not do this in the early 1990s when it was still trying to build the Atlas Carver. And it had the most advanced aerospace industry in sub-Saharan Africa at the time, worth billions of rand.

It is easy to manufacture a copy of a rifle. It's a little more difficult to copy and mass produce the parts of a tank. It's very difficult to manufacture the parts for a complete jet aircraft, especially something as complex as an F-14 Tomcat.

You need the right tooling equipment. You need blueprints and diagrams.

Most countries that build indigenous parts for their foreign sources aircraft have these things. They also had the company which sold them those aircraft help them set up the factory and train the people working there. That is how Pakistan was able to make spare parts for its Mirage IIIs and keep them flying.

Iran has none of the above.

I'm not saying they haven't found some way to do it, just that I find it very hard to believe for the reasons above.

As for Libya they did not make their own parts for their Mirage F1s, either. The Mirages were all grounded due to lack of spares until 2011 when the NTC took over.

The Mirages were then restored to service as part of a 2012 defence cooperation agreement with France, which also provided new parts.

Source: http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=24052:france-to-modernise-libyan-mirage-f1s&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107