I love how much Democrats try to convince themselves that a few protesters at town hall meetings represent the majority..




The midterm elections will shock them

Timbuktuo:


Perhaps, CNN doesn't have the recordings in question? AFAIK, only the DOJ and some other intelligence outfits are in position of the recordings.

Well, if the media is bias then they deserve nothing short of destruction. The beauty of the freedom of the press is in their ability to stay objective and keep the other arms of government honest. The moment they begin to shill for a politician and take sides they become a threat to democracy. An example is CNN not being impartial enough to at the very least, suggest tat Hillary resign from her race considering the evidence of her collusion with the DNC leaders to cheat Sanders out of a nomination. The DNC primaries were rigged to defeat Sanders , and the whole world knows this. This reason reason Hillary lost, Sanders supporters either crossed over to Trump or outrightly refused to vote. What did CNN do? Act like it was nothing. Because it was her turn. . The press today is nothing more than PR for globalist agenda, a mere campaign mouthpiece for side-of-beef Hillary. If Trump wants to declare war on them to bring back objectivity and ethical journalism, I say 'ride on'. Anybody who opposes this should take a long hard look at the facts and review their decision.

I dey here. I no go anywhere.

I do not know who told you that journalists cannot express opinions but it's total bollocks. That's in fact what we call the freedom of the press. Learn to distinguish between factual news reports and opinions.

Timbuktuo:
So, Mindfulness, what do you make of the happenings in Swesden? Grenade-throwing parties and such?

I will tell you when you tell me what happened in Sweden last weekend.

Mindfulness:


I will tell you when you tell me what happened in Sweden last weekend.

I will tell you when you answer the question I asks first.

Mindfulness: I do not know who told you that journalists cannot express opinions but it's total bollocks. That's in fact what we call the freedom of the press. Learn to distinguish between factual news reports and opinions.

I do not know who told you that journalists should be pandered to despite bandying about ill-formed opinions but, it's total bollocks. That's, in fact, what we call accountability and journalistic ethics. Learn to distinguish between opinions based on fact and logic and bias reporting/opinionating.

Timbuktuo:


I will tell you when you answer the question I asks first.

No, thank you. We all know what happened. Nothing! We are still in a state of shock. Je suis Sweden. #prayforSweden

I do not know who told you that journalists should be pandered to despite bandying about ill-formed opinions but, it's total bollocks. That's, in fact, what we call accountability and journalistic ethics. Learn to distinguish between opinions based on fact and logic and bias reporting/opinionating.

Since you have had access to the Western media for like 5-10 years at best, I can understand why you do not understand the concept of the freedom of the press.

So please do not tell me anything about journalistic ethics. Journalists are supposed to tell the truth (not lies like Donald who promised to reveal his tax returns but never did ). This does not mean that journalists cannot have an opinion and publish it. Utter rubbish!

Even newspapers are divided into different sections, some meant to report objectively and others to express views.

They have been doing it for decades, left and right, and it has not destroyed any democracy. You can't know. You haven't had access to free media for a very long time. Not your fault.

Timbuktuo:

Enlighten yourself! Knowledge is available and free nowadays.

Typically the paper is divided into sections for each of those major groupings (labeled A, B, C, and so on, with pagination prefixes yielding page numbers A1-A20, B1-B20, C1-C20, and so on). Most traditional papers also feature an editorial page containing editorials written by an editor (or by the paper's editorial board) and expressing an opinion on a public issue, opinion articles called "op-eds" written by guest writers (which are typically in the same section as the editorial), and columns that express the personal opinions of columnists, usually offering analysis and synthesis that attempts to translate the raw data of the news into information telling the reader "what it all means" and persuading them to concur. Papers also include articles which have no byline; these articles are written by staff writers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper

freedom of the press definition

The right to circulate opinions in print without censorship by the government

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/freedom-of-the-press

“The press was to serve the governed, not the governors.”

—U.S. Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black in New York Times Co. v. United States (1971)

The freedom of the press, protected by the First Amendment, is critical to a democracy in which the government is accountable to the people. A free media functions as a watchdog that can investigate and report on government wrongdoing. It is also a vibrant marketplace of ideas, a vehicle for ordinary citizens to express themselves and gain exposure to a wide range of information and opinions.

https://www.aclu.org/issues/free-speech/freedom-press

Mindfulness:


No, thank you. We all know what happened. Nothing! We are still in a state of shock. Je suis Sweden. #prayforSweden




Since you have had access to the Western media for like 5-10 years at best, I can understand why you do not understand the concept of the freedom of the press.

So please do not tell me anything about journalistic ethics. Journalists are supposed to tell the truth (not lies like Donald who promised to reveal his tax returns but never did ). This does not mean that journalists cannot have an opinion and publish it. Utter rubbish!

Even newspapers are divided into different sections, some meant to report objectively and others to express views.

They have been doing it for decades, left and right, and it has not destroyed any democracy. You can't know. You haven't had access to free media for a very long time. Not your fault.

Of course, lobbing a grenade into a police station is trivial when compared to a misspeak by Trump. Never mind that said lobbing happens 24hours after the misspeak. Never mind that Swedish citizens are increasingly speaking up on Swedish government turning a blind eye o the migrant crisis. Trump may have misspoken but Sweden does have a migrant crisis.

Actually, I only started watching western media this year, so I have till 2030 before I can even begin to think of forming an opinion on how it works. Congratulations on defeating your own stars man argument. Never mind the act, that [b]you don't actually know how much contact I've had with western media[/ b]. Obviously, you had, at least, a hundred years of western media contact and analysis. . So, your argument is that I have very little knowledge and experience on western media and as such cannot possibly tell you, a veteran watcher how it operates. . Queen Solomon.

For someone who claims to know what freedom of press is, you don't sound very knowledgeable or intelligent if you think press freedom is license to publish rubbish. Do journalists and press houses not get sued and pay for libelous reporting? Is that an infringement on press freedom? Oya, answer, o ye inventor of the press and the freedom it enjoys.

Well, thank God for press freedom and the publishing of Trump's refusal to release tax returns. Impeaching proceedings are underway unless said returns are released. Thank God for press freedom. Hahahaha.

Aww, thanks for breaking down how newspapers are sectionalised. Now I understand.

I can see why you're siding with journalists making up stuff to publish. You, yourself, are prone to pulling out shiit from your ass and passing it off as fact. First, it was your "factual" quip about how much exposure I have to western media, then it's about how I've never been exposed to a free press. Hmm, Mindy, who's going to win the European Champions League, I need for divination skills to place a huge bet.

Timbuktuo:

Of course, lobbing a grenade into a police station is trivial when compared to a misspeak by Trump. Never mind that said lobbing happens 24hours after the misspeak. Never mind that Swedish citizens are increasingly speaking up on Swedish government turning a blind eye o the migrant crisis. Trump may have misspoken but Sweden does have a migrant crisis.

Actually, I only started watching western media this year, so I have till 2030 before I can even begin to think of forming an opinion on how it works. Congratulations on defeating your own stars man argument. Never mind the act, that [b]you don't actually know how much contact I've had with western media[/ b]. Obviously, you had, at least, a hundred years of western media contact and analysis. . So, your argument is that I have very little knowledge and experience on western media and as such cannot possibly tell you, a veteran watcher how it operates. . Queen Solomon.

For someone who claims to know what freedom of press is, you don't sound very knowledgeable or intelligent if you think press freedom is license to publish rubbish. Do journalists and press houses not get sued and pay for libelous reporting? Is that an infringement on press freedom? Oya, answer, o ye inventor of the press and the freedom it enjoys.
Well, thank God for press freedom and the publishing of Trump's refusal to release tax returns. Impeaching proceedings are underway unless said returns are released. Thank God for press freedom. Hahahaha.

Aww, thanks for breaking down how newspapers are sectionalised. Now I understand.

I can see why you're siding with journalists making up stuff to publish. You, yourself, are prone to pulling out shiit from your ass and passing it off as fact. First, it was your "factual" quip about how much exposure I have to western media, then it's about how I've never been exposed to a free press. Hmm, Mindy, who's going to win the European Champions League, I need for divination skills to place a huge bet.

My husband and I have been very critical of media bias for years but for you to claim that journalists must not express their views is nonsense. I am sorry, I do not know how to say it more politely.

And nobody said that the media should publish nonsense, all I say is that they are free to do so. This is why we distinguish between quality press and tabloids. Google it.

stanech:
A grim milestone! Chicago sees deadliest day of shootings so far this year; 7 killed including a pregnant woman

Blame profiling when black teenagers are killing other black teenagers. Where is Blacklivesmatter in all of these or those 7 dead their lives dont matter

Mindfulness: The right to circulate opinions in print without censorship by the government

Yes. Yes. Please, show me exactly who's is censoring the media right now.

Meanwhile:

Five Principles Of Journalism:-

http://ethicaljournalismnetwork.org/who-we-are/5-principles-of-journalism

Truth and Accuracy
Journalists cannot always guarantee ‘truth’, but getting the facts right is the cardinal principle of journalism. We should always strive for accuracy, give all the relevant facts we have and ensure that they have been checked. When we cannot corroborate information we should say so.

Mindy, were the press truthful and accurate when they called the recent travel ban a ban on Muslims? [/ b]

[b]Independence
Journalists must be independent voices; we should not act, formally or informally, on behalf of special interests whether political, corporate or cultural. We should declare to our editors – or the audience – any of our political affiliations, financial arrangements or other personal information that might constitute a conflict of interest.

Mindy, were the press independent when they said they'd stay "Dem-focussed"? Did CNN tell their audience they were pro-Clinton during per/post election news coverage?

Fairness and Impartiality
Most stories have at least two sides. While there is no obligation to present every side in every piece, stories should be balanced and add context. Objectivity is not always possible, and may not always be desirable (in the face for example of brutality or inhumanity), but impartial reporting builds trust and confidence.

Mindy, were the press fair and impartial when they called the recent grave ban a war on Islam? And racism? Even though Islam is no a race but, a religion?

Humanity
Journalists should do no harm. What we publish or broadcast may be hurtful, but we should be aware of the impact of our words and images on the lives of others.

Mindy, were the press being humane and aware when they labelled Trump supporters and voters, racist, misogynist, homophobes with low IQ? I mean CNN called Trump's election victory a whitelash. Hahahaha.

Accountability
A sure sign of professionalism and responsible journalism is the ability to hold ourselves accountable. When we commit errors we must correct them and our expressions of regret must be sincere not cynical. We listen to the concerns of our audience. We may not change what readers write or say but we will always provide remedies when we are unfair.
EJN supporters do not believe that we need to add new rules to regulate journalists and their work in addition to the responsibilities outlined above, but we do support the creation of a legal and social framework, that encourages journalists to respect and follow the established values of their craft.
In doing so, journalists and traditional media, will put themselves in a position to be provide leadership about what constitutes ethical freedom of expression. What is good for journalism is also good for others who use the Internet or online media for public communications.

Biko, Mindy, have the press stopped calling the travel ban a Muslim ban, or war on Islam? If they have, have they retraced the use of such inaccuracies in any previous publications?

Mindfulness:


My husband and I have been very critical of media bias for years but for you to claim that journalists must not express their views is nonsense. I am sorry, I do not know how to say it more politely.

And nobody said that the media should publish nonsense, all I say is that they are free to do so. This is why we distinguish between quality press and tabloids. Google it.

Erm, your post-nairaland activities are no concern of mine.

What is nonsense is you misrepresenting my comments which you are free to go back to if you don't understand the first time you read it. Better yet, get an interpreter. What I have said is that, the press is not immune from criticism. If they err in their duties, they can and should be called out. Simple engirish.

If someone is bent on correcting false news reporting of his affairs, they within their rights to do so and that is in no way censoring the press. Capisce?

Timbuktuo:


Yes. Yes. Please, show me exactly who's is censoring the media right now.

Meanwhile:

Five Principles Of Journalism:-

http://ethicaljournalismnetwork.org/who-we-are/5-principles-of-journalism

Truth and Accuracy
Journalists cannot always guarantee ‘truth’, but getting the facts right is the cardinal principle of journalism. We should always strive for accuracy, give all the relevant facts we have and ensure that they have been checked. When we cannot corroborate information we should say so.

Mindy, were the press truthful and accurate when they called the recent travel ban a ban on Muslims? [/ b]

[b]Independence
Journalists must be independent voices; we should not act, formally or informally, on behalf of special interests whether political, corporate or cultural. [size=18pt]We should declare to our editors – or the audience – any of our political affiliations, financial arrangements or other personal information that might constitute a conflict of interest.[/size]

Mindy, were the press independent when they said they'd stay "Dem-focussed"? Did CNN tell their audience they were pro-Clinton during per/post election news coverage?

Fairness and Impartiality
Most stories have at least two sides. While there is no obligation to present every side in every piece, stories should be balanced and add context. Objectivity is not always possible, and may not always be desirable (in the face for example of brutality or inhumanity), but impartial reporting builds trust and confidence.

Mindy, were the press fair and impartial when they called the recent grave ban a war on Islam? And racism? Even though Islam is no a race but, a religion?

Humanity
Journalists should do no harm. What we publish or broadcast may be hurtful, but we should be aware of the impact of our words and images on the lives of others.

Mindy, were the press being humane and aware when they labelled Trump supporters and voters, racist, misogynist, homophobes with low IQ? I mean CNN called Trump's election victory a whitelash. Hahahaha.

Accountability
A sure sign of professionalism and responsible journalism is the ability to hold ourselves accountable. When we commit errors we must correct them and our expressions of regret must be sincere not cynical. We listen to the concerns of our audience. We may not change what readers write or say but we will always provide remedies when we are unfair.
EJN supporters do not believe that we need to add new rules to regulate journalists and their work in addition to the responsibilities outlined above, but we do support the creation of a legal and social framework, that encourages journalists to respect and follow the established values of their craft.
In doing so, journalists and traditional media, will put themselves in a position to be provide leadership about what constitutes ethical freedom of expression. What is good for journalism is also good for others who use the Internet or online media for public communications.

Biko, Mindy, have the press stopped calling the travel ban a Muslim ban, or war on Islam? If they have, have they retraced the use of such inaccuracies in any previous publications?

You have just shot yourself in the foot.

Read the highlighted sentence. We should declare our affiliations means that affiliations are acceptable but must be made transparent.

Are you still claiming that journalists are not allowed to express their views?

By the way, the Muslim ban was a Muslim ban.

Mindfulness:


You have just shot yourself in the foot.

Read the highlighted sentence. We should declare our affiliations means that affiliations are acceptable but must be made transparent.

Are you still claiming that journalists are not allowed to express their views?

By the way, the Muslim ban was a Muslim ban.

So, I take it they informed the audience of their affiliation and support of Clinton? Lol. Please a recording of such would come in handy right now.

Please point out where I have claimed they aren't allowed to express their views.

And CNN is not fake news.

Timbuktuo:



Erm, your post-nairaland activities are no concern of mine.

What is nonsense is you misrepresenting my comments which you are free to go back to if you don't understand the first time you read it. Better yet, get an interpreter. What I have said is that, the press is not immune from criticism. If they err in their duties, they can and should be called out. Simple engirish.

If someone is bent on correcting false news reporting of his affairs, they within their rights to do so and that is in no way censoring the press. Capisce?

A president declares a war on the media that is critical of him and Tim defends it.
There is no hope for you and you have the country that you deserve.

Timbuktuo:


So, I take it they informed the audience of their affiliation and support of Clinton? Lol. Please a recording of such would come in handy right now.

If the media is known to be left-leaning, they will tend to support the Democrats and if it is known to be right-leaning, they will tend to support Trump. No secret, just your recent discovery.

Please point out where I have claimed they aren't allowed to express their views.

"The beauty of the freedom of the press is in their ability to stay objective and keep the other arms of government honest. The moment they begin to shill for a politician and take sides they become a threat to democracy."

An opinion is what? Subjective!

So you are now diverting from your 'the media must remain neutral and objective at all times'?

And CNN is not fake news.

Is it? Prove it.

Mindfulness:


A president declares a war on the media that is critical of him and Tim defends it.
There is no hope for you and you have the country that you deserve.

As usual, you spout your emotional, sophistical talking points. First of all, he declared war on fake news. Fake news. A term which the corrupt media conjured from their rectum. Are you not aware that President Trump has included even more media outfits in the white house press corp? CNN didn't tell you this? I'm shocked.

Just a pointer that seems to elude you, nobody has any duty to listen to and believe CNN and their make news agenda. In fact, every right thinking person should call them out whenever they split rubbish.

Mindfulness:


If the media is known to be left-leaning, they will tend to support the Democrats and if it is known to be right-leaning, they will tend to support Trump. No secret, just your recent discovery.



"The beauty of the freedom of the press is in their ability to stay objective and keep the other arms of government honest. The moment they begin to shill for a politician and take sides they become a threat to democracy."

An opinion is what? Subjective!

So you are now diverting from your 'the media must remain neutral and objective at all times'?



Is it? Prove it.

They are to support the ideology and process by which Democrats conduct their affairs, in this case, socialism, or centre-leftism. Smh. They are not supposed to blindly support Democratic Party operatives. Duh. You need to start paying for free lessons. If they truly supported the Democratic Party, Hillary's name wouldn't even smell the ballot. For a network that claims to pursue and report nothing but the truth, as CNN claims, their operations increasingly look like shilling than any objective reporting.

Lesson 2: Opinions can be both subjective and objective. Even with my Nigerian education, I was taught this in JSS2 in English Comprehension class. Smh. Na wa o.

If a journalist wants to shill, thy should identify as shills. You cannot identify as neutral and truthful and shill to the highest heavens. That is a direct violation of journalistic ethics.

I will when you prove the travel ban was, in fact, a Muslim ban.

Timbuktuo:

As usual, you spout your emotional, sophistical talking points. First of all, he declared war on fake news. Fake news. A term which the corrupt media conjured from their rectum. Are you not aware that President Trump has included even more media outfits in the white house press corp? CNN didn't tell you this? I'm shocked.

The precise wording of Trump was: "As you know, I have a running war with the media". So stop spreading your alternative facts here.
He should have accurately said: 'I am at war with the media that is critical of me' because that's what he is. Like an autocrat!

Just a pointer that seems to elude you, nobody has any duty to listen to and believe CNN and their make news agenda. In fact, every right thinking person should call them out whenever they split rubbish.

And it's rubbish when Trump and you do not like it, right?

Yeah, let us fight them until they only say what we want to hear. Heil Hitler!

Mindfulness:


The precise wording of Trump was: "As you know, I have a running war with the media". So stop spreading your alternative facts here.
He should have accurately said: 'I am at war with the media that is critical of me' because that's what he is. Like an autocrat!



And it's rubbish when Trump and you do not like it, right?

Yeah, let us fight them until they only say what we want to hear. Heil Hitler!

Like I said, opinions can be subjective and you are fully entitled o tour own subjective opinions. I have schooled you. You are welcome.

Timbuktuo:



Like I said, opinions can be subjective and you are fully entitled o tour own subjective opinions. I have schooled you. You are welcome.

Mindfulness:


The precise wording of Trump was: "As you know, I have a running war with the media". So stop spreading your alternative facts here.
He should have accurately said: 'I am at war with the media that is critical of me' because that's what he is. Like an autocrat!



And it's rubbish when Trump and you do not like it, right?

Yeah, let us fight them until they only say what we want to hear. Heil Hitler!

Like I said, opinions can be subjective and you are fully entitled o tour own subjective opinions. I have schooled you. You are welcome.

Timbuktuo:

They are to support the ideology and process by which Democrats conduct their affairs, in this case, socialism, or centre-leftism. Smh. They are not supposed to blindly support Democratic Party operatives. Duh. You need to start paying for free lessons. If they truly supported the Democratic Party, Hillary's name wouldn't even smell the ballot. For a network that claims to pursue and report nothing but the truth, as CNN claims, their operations increasingly look like shilling than any objective reporting.

You should first check the definition of the word socialism and the word neoliberalism and come and talk again.

Lesson 2: Opinions can be both subjective and objective. Even with my Nigerian education, I was taught this in JSS2 in English Comprehension class. Smh. Na wa o.

Congratulations! I disagree.

If a journalist wants to shill, thy should identify as shills. You cannot identify as neutral and truthful and shill to the highest heavens. That is a direct violation of journalistic ethics.

They have been identified to follow an agenda for a long time now but you and Trump act like you have discovered a new planet.

I will when you prove the travel ban was, in fact, a Muslim ban.

Read the full transcript of the court's ruling against the Muslim ban.
Trump does not even know how to pass an executive order that does not violate the law.

Timbuktuo:

Like I said, opinions can be subjective and you are fully entitled o tour own subjective opinions. I have schooled you. You are welcome.

Indeed, you have.
Now we all know that the freedom of the press does not include that journalists express their opinions.

'You finally have a president!':




President Trump fires up CPAC crowd with vow to pursue agenda and reforms

Where the White House doors used to be closed, they are now wide open – open for the People’s Business. But, most importantly, we are translating these meetings into action.

One by one, we are checking off the promises we made to the people of the United States. And we will not stop until the job is done.

✔️We will reduce taxes.
✔️We will cut regulations.
✔️We will support our police.
✔️We will defend our flag.
✔️We will rebuild our military.
✔️We will take care of our Veterans.
✔️We will fix our trade deals.
✔️We will cut wasteful spending.
✔️We will promote our values.
✔️We will rebuild our inner cities.
✔️And we will bring back our jobs and our dreams.

The forgotten men and women of America will be forgotten no longer. That is the heart of this new movement – and the future of the Republican Party.

The GOP will be the party of the American Worker. We will not answer to donors or lobbyists or special interests – but we will serve the citizens of the United States of America. Global cooperation is important. But there is no such thing as a global anthem, a global currency, or a global flag.

There is one allegiance that unites us all, and that is our allegiance to America. No matter our background, or income, or geography – we are all citizens of this blessed land. And no matter our color, we all bleed the same red blood of patriots.

We all salute the same American Flag. And we are all made equal by the same Almighty God.

As long as we have faith in each other, and trust in God, then there is no goal beyond our reach. There is no dream too large, no task too great. We are Americans. And the future belongs to us.

The future belongs to all of you. And America is about to come roaring back – Bigger and Better and Stronger than ever before.

Thank you, God Bless You, and God Bless the United States of America.

Mindfulness:


Indeed, you have.
Now we all know that the freedom of the press does not include that journalists express their opinions.

You don't have to lie or misinterpret my comments. Could you point out to where I have stated this comment you attribute to me?

raumdeuter:


Blame profiling when black teenagers are killing other black teenagers. Where is Blacklivesmatter in all of these or those 7 dead their lives dont matter

One word ...


Democrats

Mindfulness:


You should first check the definition of the word socialism and the word neoliberalism and come and talk again.




Congratulations! I disagree.



They have been identified to follow an agenda for a long time now but you and Trump act like you have discovered a new planet.



Read the full transcript of the court's ruling against the Muslim ban.
Trump does not even know how to pass an executive order that does not violate the law.

You disagree that opinions can be subjective, as well as objective? . OK, ma. . No further comment.

Stop weeping because we are bold enough to call them what they are. Liars. . Even if we have just discovered that, they're still liars who spin news to fit an agenda instead of reporting as is.

How about you paste the full transcript here. It's your job to do so.

"A few days ago, I called the fake news the enemy of the people, and they are." –@POTUS #CPAC2017

#Breaking News - President Trump signs executive order on regulatory reform.

Timbuktuo:


You disagree that opinions can be subjective, as well as objective? . OK, ma. . No further comment.

Stop weeping because we are bold enough to call them what they are. Liars. . Even if we have just discovered that, they're still liars who spin news to fit an agenda instead of reporting as is.

As long as you do not provide any evidence, your rants remain what they are ... rants. Free speech, I discovered, also includes hate speech. Alas! People like Trump will take that away too. After the freedom of the press, follows the freedom of speech. Then you can rejoice in co-misery.

How about you paste the full transcript here. It's your job to do so.

Easy!

Here is the video:

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/01/22/trump-declares-running-war-with-media.cnn/video/playlists/trump-and-the-media/

Next thing we will here is that 'the fake news media' broadcasted Trump's double / look-alike / doppelganger.

Mindfulness:


As long as you do not provide any evidence, your rants remain what they are ... rants. Free speech, I discovered, also includes hate speech. Alas! People like Trump will take that away too. After the freedom of the press, follows the freedom of speech. Then you can rejoice in co-misery.



Easy!

Here is the video:

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2017/01/22/trump-declares-running-war-with-media.cnn/video/playlists/trump-and-the-media/

Next thing we will here is that 'the fake news media' broadcasted Trump's double / look-alike / doppelganger.

You mean Trump could. Merkel already has.

Timbuktuo:


You mean Trump could. Merkel already has.

Quickly and quietly. Trump should watch and learn. Amateur!