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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by Lokoyen(m): 10:06am On Feb 25, 2017
Onyochejohn:
that's not true, those that doubled gaskets are the less priviledge who can not afford to replace Top cylinder, when overlapping occur due to excessive over heating, the Top must be replace, but not all fingers are equall, due to kazeem vast experience, he can therefore suggest to the poor owner to do a reboil grinding on the Top cylinder, in the process left extral gap for compressing leakages, the gasket must be doubled. Note, these said set of cars must be outdated that need complete replacement, so all these non professional marketers dig more hole to your pockets as they endup calling on the condemned Kazeem to solve many of there problems . the different is kazeem repair, while them professionals replaced . in situation you don't have money to replace, your car stays donkey years in there workshop .

Thanks and God bless you.

Am tired of all these marketers here. They condemn everything. Kazeem knows how to repair but u gys can only replace. Its not everyone that can afford part replacement.

My fuse box got damaged and my so called kazeem (a knowledgeable one) Got it fixed without affecting my brain box at a fraction of replacement cost.

Note: Not all kazeem are bad, even so-called professionals go to them for practicals. In my case my own kazeem even use a scanner to detect wiring issues.

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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by Lokoyen(m): 10:10am On Feb 25, 2017
honmusa:

You dont deserve to own a car if you dont have money to maintain .Cars is not a basic necessities of life .
If you got a warped cylinder ,change it .If you dont have money ,use molue .
Very soon ,nigeria safery standard will soon upgrade to the level of impounding kazeem surgically operated car like your own because of not meeting up to safety and emmssson standard

Muumu talk. Its only in Nigeria we see car as luxury outside the country ur luxury cars are used for taxis and police patrol car.

Car is a necessity and not luxury oponu.

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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by Lokoyen(m): 10:13am On Feb 25, 2017
OlujobaSamuel:

abeg, u be mechanic? i never jamn this kind lady before, i think sey lady no sabi pass pinging
kudos, you tried

She is intelligent. Imagine stating her point without passing insults. Kudos to u jare.

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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by acevic: 10:13am On Feb 25, 2017
honmusa:

You dont deserve to own a car if you dont have money to maintain .Cars is not a basic necessities of life .
If you got a warped cylinder ,change it .If you dont have money ,use molue .
Very soon ,nigeria safery standard will soon upgrade to the level of impounding kazeem surgically operated car like your own because of not meeting up to safety and emmssson standard

I'm still finding it difficult to believe someone actually typed this. This is one of the problems Nigeria face at the moment. Leaders that have no interest in how less privileged citizens live.
Do you know that in some parts of Nigeria, some drivers provide for their family members with this surgically operated vehicles? What happens to them when Nigeria got impound their vehicles?

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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by Lokoyen(m): 10:55am On Feb 25, 2017
acevic:


I'm still finding it difficult to believe someone actually typed this. This is one of the problems Nigeria face at the moment. Leaders that have no interest in how less privileged citizens live.
Do you know that in some parts of Nigeria, some drivers provide for their family members with this surgically operated vehicles? What happens to them when Nigeria got impound their vehicles?
I don't expect such from Honmusa at all. He is respected here.

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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by Nobody: 11:08am On Feb 25, 2017
This is why I hate overheating
Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by xfay(m): 11:35am On Feb 25, 2017
Kazeem is also human, he is working within the bounds of his knowledge and experience..why not educate him. How many machine shops in Nigeria can properly skim an overheated head to proper tolerance hence the makeshift solution. people who add aftermarket turbos to there stock engnes often do something similar so while it will reduce the compression( lower performance) i doubt it will destroy the engine

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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by bizzibodi(m): 2:59pm On Feb 25, 2017
honmusa:

Doubling the headgasket means you are altering the compression ratio .
By the time you finish the job ,your car will never give out the same performance .
If you are doing this because of hidden overheating issue ,i will advice you flee away from the kazeem before he dug a pit in your pocket .
Overheating is a symptons of a issue ,resolve the issue and the overheating will go away .The crude surgical operation your kazeem want to do on your car is called supressing the overheating which will spell doom for your engine .
If i were you,i will patronise a professional that knows his onion who will charge more but will give your car a permanent resolution than pay 1000 naira fee to kazeem that will destroy my expensive engine .
Abeg honmusa btw corrola 2005 vs camry 2000 with one has a strong & durable engine?
Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by PERFECT2(m): 4:26pm On Feb 25, 2017
rusher14:


Should we then say RIP?

grin

Linus M will brief us shortly. Until then.......
Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by adanny01(m): 4:46pm On Feb 25, 2017
Onyochejohn:
that's not true, those that doubled gaskets are the less priviledge who can not afford to replace Top cylinder, when overlapping occur due to excessive over heating, the Top must be replace, but not all fingers are equall, due to kazeem vast experience, he can therefore suggest to the poor owner to do a reboil grinding on the Top cylinder, in the process left extral gap for compressing leakages, the gasket must be doubled. Note, these said set of cars must be outdated that need complete replacement, so all these non professional marketers dig more hole to your pockets as they endup calling on the condemned Kazeem to solve many of there problems . the different is kazeem repair, while them professionals replaced . in situation you don't have money to replace, your car stays donkey years in there workshop .

I, on the other hand think both of you are correct.

The reason mechanics double gasket is to compensated for a warped head cylinder. The warping is compensated for by the double gasket which allows the head cylinder to close perfectly without changing or machining the head cylinder. This is true for your position.

The negative effect of that is what the other poster captured. The double gasket creates a little more clearance in the cylinder effectively increasing the cubic capacity of the cylinders. This increase is not compensated by the air fuel ratio mix and other engine management systems. Eventually leading to less performance.

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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by Nobody: 8:36pm On Feb 25, 2017
xfay:
Kazeem is also human, he is working within the bounds of his knowledge and experience..why not educate him. How many machine shops in Nigeria can properly skim an overheated head to proper tolerance hence the makeshift solution. people who add aftermarket turbos to there stock engnes often do something similar so while it will reduce the compression( lower performance) i doubt it will destroy the engine

Two thumbs up, way up cool

Doubling a cylinder head gasket will never damage an engine but the vehicle may not run due to loss of compression.

It's amazing that people limit their internet data usage to only Nairaland angry

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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by sultaan(m): 9:56pm On Feb 25, 2017
acevic:


I'm still finding it difficult to believe someone actually typed this. This is one of the problems Nigeria face at the moment. Leaders that have no interest in how less privileged citizens live.
Do you know that in some parts of Nigeria, some drivers provide for their family members with this surgically operated vehicles? What happens to them when Nigeria got impound their vehicles?

He is right if you a your emotions away from owning a car.

The Nigerian govt and system treats a car as luxury with duty up to 70%

Look at the customs code from section 8703-8704

https://www.customs.gov.ng/hscode/resulthscode.php?TYPE=DESC&HSCODE=&MODE=ALL

in other parts of the world things are clearer

https://www.cbp.gov/trade/basic-import-export/importing-car

cars 2.5%(+5%-7% state sales tax) trucks 25% which is why all japanese truck are built in areas that qualify as US (i.e Mexico or Canada)

Why I gave this data is your house, education, family, and car are the things you will spend most of your earning on, the more money you put in these the better value you get except your car.

You can't afford a car when you start taking resources away from other things to keep it running.

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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by adanny01(m): 10:07pm On Feb 25, 2017
EgunMogaji:


Two thumbs up, way up cool

Doubling a cylinder head gasket will never damage an engine but the vehicle may not run due to loss of compression.

It's amazing that people limit their internet data usage to only Nairaland angry

Compression definitely reduces but not bad enough to stop the engine from running well unless the car previously had compression problems.
Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by Nobody: 1:31am On Feb 26, 2017
adanny01:


Compression definitely reduces but not bad enough to stop the engine from running well unless the car previously had compression problems.

If not done well, the car won't even start because of potential leaks between the gaskets.
Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by honmusa(m): 5:42am On Feb 26, 2017
acevic:


I'm still finding it difficult to believe someone actually typed this. This is one of the problems Nigeria face at the moment. Leaders that have no interest in how less privileged citizens live.
Do you know that in some parts of Nigeria, some drivers provide for their family members with this surgically operated vehicles? What happens to them when Nigeria got impound their vehicles?
In everythig we do ,we must consider safety to our enviroment first and safety to our self .Countless number of life have been lost dueto road crash caused by using these '' kazeem surgically operated vehicle'',alot of incident of vehicle fire disaster caused by kazeem wrongly bridging the wiring system ,even the rich are not spared when it happens .what about the late minister that lost his life due to over inflated tyre .This what you get if you have society that refuse to set a standard and regulation of important sector like automobile .Instead the industry is dominated by illiterates that i cannot even trust my 2 year daughter toy car with .
Poverty mentality has clouded our thinking faculty !!!! Using this kazeem surgically operated vehicle is just a going for a suicide mission that any of its essential component can suffer failure anytime. And if you want to kill yourself cause of ignorance and poverty , must you also also take some innocent road user with you .
Anytime i am fixing an electrical issue on car ,there is nothing that is more fustrated than trying to correct an electrical issue that another kazeem has previosly done on car .More time and effort is done to undo all these 'rewiring' than even the actual failure on the car .
I still stand by it that very soon all these moving disaster cars will be taken off from all our roads to create a safer enviroment for others .
Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by honmusa(m): 6:10am On Feb 26, 2017
Lokoyen:


Muumu talk. Its only in Nigeria we see car as luxury outside the country ur luxury cars are used for taxis and police patrol car.

Car is a necessity and not luxury oponu.
You dont deserve to own a car if you cannot maintan it with accordance to safety standard and enviromental laws.we have a none working educational system and generation that is not using their brain to think that is why we can have such talk from people like you
Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by adanny01(m): 10:13am On Feb 26, 2017
EgunMogaji:


If not done well, the car won't even start because of potential leaks between the gaskets.

Thats right

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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by acevic: 11:04am On Feb 26, 2017
honmusa:

In everythig we do ,we must consider safety to our enviroment first and safety to our self .Countless number of life have been lost dueto road crash caused by using these '' kazeem surgically operated vehicle'',alot of incident of vehicle fire disaster caused by kazeem wrongly bridging the wiring system ,even the rich are not spared when it happens .what about the late minister that lost his life due to over inflated tyre .This what you get if you have society that refuse to set a standard and regulation of important sector like automobile .Instead the industry is dominated by illiterates that i cannot even trust my 2 year daughter toy car with .
Poverty mentality has clouded our thinking faculty !!!! Using this kazeem surgically operated vehicle is just a going for a suicide mission that any of its essential component can suffer failure anytime. And if you want to kill yourself cause of ignorance and poverty , must you also also take some innocent road user with you .
Anytime i am fixing an electrical issue on car ,there is nothing that is more fustrated than trying to correct an electrical issue that another kazeem has previosly done on car .More time and effort is done to undo all these 'rewiring' than even the actual failure on the car .
I still stand by it that very soon all these moving disaster cars will be taken off from all our roads to create a safer enviroment for others .

HonMusa, I understand that your viewpoint is actually coloured with huge safety concerns. Coming from an electrician, I think it's commendable but it's also important to point out that poverty mentality as you mentioned is not what most people want to be associated with but the present conditions have given them no choice. Any sane human would like to use a brand new vehicle, no body want to stick to unreliable cars being fixed by low cost Kazeem always but guess what? When life gives you lemon, you make lemonade outta it. That's the story of most Nigerians.

For us to have a standard and regulated society as you mentioned, is never the responsibility of the citizenry but the government. When the government provides enabling environment in terms of financial support etc, then other regulations can follow.

Using myself as an example, I have come to understand that when I have issues with my vehicle, it's usually better and cost effective to replace faulty spare parts. But not everyone can do that always. Fingers are not equal. Levels are not the same.

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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by Lokoyen(m): 11:45am On Feb 26, 2017
honmusa:

You dont deserve to own a car if you cannot maintan it with accordance to safety standard and enviromental laws.we have a none working educational system and generation that is not using their brain to think that is why we can have such talk from people like you

Until i see a picture of your well maintained car(s) you lost my respect. I still maintain my point, not all kazeem don't know what they are doing.

I have a kazeem that will not torch ur car until he scan it. It is after scan he recommend either repair or replacement. Most times he repairs and that is what so-called professionals can't do.

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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by sultaan(m): 5:08pm On Feb 26, 2017
Lokoyen:


Until i see a picture of your well maintained car(s) you lost my respect. I still maintain my point, not all kazeem don't know what they are doing.

I have a kazeem that will not torch ur car until he scan it. It is after scan he recommend either repair or replacement. Most times he repairs and that is what so-called professionals can't do.

Can you please mention 3 parts that you have repaired instead of replacing just to know if you have done something dangerous
Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by Wencenz: 2:54pm On Apr 01, 2019
I rebuilt my 2009 kia rio with double gasket as it is an interference engine that got warped with a timing belt cut, and on a journey to yenegoa from P.H. I noticed increased torque and lowered fuel economy. now I have a mazda B6 engine to rebuild for another car and want experts opinions on this double gasket...
am a car enthusiast, mechanic and do some tuning and actually know that doubling or increased gasket on an interference engine save your valve
this is not for overheating problems as i read chats here talking about overheats

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Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by diportivo: 4:41pm On Apr 01, 2019
Wencenz:
I rebuilt my 2009 kia rio with double gasket as it is an interference engine that got warped with a timing belt cut, and on a journey to yenegoa from P.H. I noticed increased torque and lowered fuel economy. now I have a mazda B6 engine to rebuild for another car and want experts opinions on this double gasket...
am a car enthusiast, mechanic and do some tuning and actually know that doubling or increased gasket on an interference engine save your valve
this is not for overheating problems as i read chats here talking about overheats

Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by chriatia6: 5:18pm On Oct 21, 2022
I am using three inferior gasket cos of my timing belt breakout and verlve is it okay....??
Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by ruby360: 9:22pm On Oct 21, 2022
honmusa:

Doubling the headgasket means you are altering the compression ratio .
By the time you finish the job ,your car will never give out the same performance .
If you are doing this because of hidden overheating issue ,i will advice you flee away from the kazeem before he dug a pit in your pocket .
Overheating is a symptons of a issue ,resolve the issue and the overheating will go away .The crude surgical operation your kazeem want to do on your car is called supressing the overheating which will spell doom for your engine .
If i were you,i will patronise a professional that knows his onion who will charge more but will give your car a permanent resolution than pay 1000 naira fee to kazeem that will destroy my expensive engine .

op listen to this advice
Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by Eburnian: 12:15pm On Oct 17, 2023
ruby360:


op listen to this advice
You are mixing the points. Some double gasket to suppress overheating, I see that as a bad idea.

Others double gasket to save the original valve from bending to due to timing belt stripping/cutting. Though, they lose a minimal fire power. But no problem with the engine. Most especially in Volkswagen vehicles(golf sharan...), opel used for long transport. U can't be changing cylinder head everytime u cut a timing belt.

So, honmusa, calm down
Re: Doubling The Engine Gasket, What's Your Take? by austingray: 4:35pm On Dec 21, 2023
This is an old thread but can't help buy add my own input, some cars have no harm or reduce compression with double gasket , cars like volvo , once the gasket goes , it's best you double the gasket. The ones around here are so small flat compared to the ones that came with car , except you want to order the OEM from sweden

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