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Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by ochiosa(m): 9:37am On Feb 28, 2017 |
ruggie: 1 Like |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by jeftalene(m): 9:39am On Feb 28, 2017 |
godfatherx: You have a right to your own opinion |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by adanny01(m): 9:40am On Feb 28, 2017 |
I am a Civil Engineer, if i quote any concrete job as an Engr, it is only assumed its machine mixing. If a client wants hand mixing, i will advise against it. Manual drilling is allowed to a limit, the issue on this is just a contract misunderstanding which favours the contractor. Thats why clients should contact also have someone review quotes they receive before contracting. Some of us who are very honest never get these kind of jobs, clients want cheap quotes but most times dont see in between the lines. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by olawale100: 9:47am On Feb 28, 2017 |
jkdelloite: If Osaz has verifiable evidence that my supervising engineer demanded bribe from him, he should please tell me. I paid him what was negotiated and even gave him extra for telephone calls. At no point in time did Osa mentioned it to me that my Engineer demanded money. So why is it being mentioned here and now. There are other discoveries which are relevant, that I made during the course of the project but I decided not to mention it here. I do not want to make it look petty. The analogy I will make is this, if I pay for Mercedes, don't give me a VW bettle. Osaz should read his WhatsApp messages and check what he promised me. He said he will be on site everyday of the project. Did I force him to write that? Someone mentioned that I should not have paid the drillers, should I open my eyes and allow the project to drag unnecessarily? Please remember that I am paying for the casting machine and operator 15k per day. I even had the courtesy of sending him a text that I will move funds to the drillers. Why did Osaz not tell me that he will make the payment? If like he claimed, he had paid them for up to 39 points, why did he not call them to disprove their claim. My advise to anyone engaging any engineer or artisan or even in order sphere of human endeavour is to ensure there is no ambiguity or assumption when terms / scope of work are being discussed. 5 Likes |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by Nobody: 9:54am On Feb 28, 2017 |
And this is the problem we always have in Nigeria. We call ourselves professionals, yet we cut corners and give the client less than satisfactory job. How for heavens sake can you give a design or even quotation to the client and there's nothing like specifications? Both party assumed that the other party would know what was needed to be done. Client was expecting the mobilization of machinery onto the site, so-called professional was thinking he would cut some costs into his pocket by using manual. How about we first of all look at the job, determine the quality of the end product to be achieved and write a specification of the job to be done, enumerating not only what needs to be done but the method in which it will be done. This way, there won't be any assumptions and of course the work can be broken down into time frames. Come on guys, this is simple Project Management methodology. If the client is naïve, it's our duty to let them know the process instead of jumping into projects because of the promise of cool cash. Planning before going to site helps a lot and saves up to 75% of time, effort and money. Such embarrassing situation where your reputation is tarnished online won't occur. Now, I'd be really really wary of working with the said engineer. 9 Likes |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by pacespot(m): 10:13am On Feb 28, 2017 |
hope the complete detail is shared, someone is going to need this |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by jeftalene(m): 10:25am On Feb 28, 2017 |
olawale100: 1. Now that i have raised the issue, kindly write me officially to provide you with the evidence and you will have it in no time or ask him to defend himself. 2. I promised to be on site from the day the machine was mobilized to site and there was no day i did not show up on site even the day of the mishap i was there and it was when i left that this whole hijack mess came up. Most times when i leave the site, I ensure that one of my men are on ground to take over. Can you disprove this? 3. You sent the text after you have paid them. That's not how things are done. I brought them because my own machine was not available for use at the time. It was only reasonable for you to allow me manage their excesses instead of going ahead to release money to them without due consultation. I remember when you called me in the middle of the crisis, i told you to hold on, let me communicate with them and resolve the matter. I actually moved some money to them that morning. The truth is they were demanding more money when they have barely reached the number of points paid for. Going ahead to release funds to them and asking me to hands off the project to you only gave them some undue advantage which was what they wanted anyway. 4. My advice to anyone getting involved in any project is to ensure that he/she ask the right questions of how do you intend to deliver the project and what are the equipment, labour, methods and materials you intend to deploy or use? And also to work closely with trusted supervisors not 'bribe-seeking' project hijackers. Pushing the blame to me alone as if i did a bad job altogether or i absconded with your money, even when i clearly gave you an option of refund of any excess you may have spent outside the contract sum and trying to defame my character here is completely out of point. Now i know that client/customers are not always right. 4 Likes |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by johnson232: 10:28am On Feb 28, 2017 |
olawale100:The op should be the one thanking you for opening his eyes to potential problems...At least now he is gonna be very careful in dealing with anybody, most notably the said engr Osaz... 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by Delafruita(m): 11:17am On Feb 28, 2017 |
olawale100:i am quite certain it's simply a case of inadequate communication. When it comes to contractors in Lagos, there will certainly always be requests for their palms to be greased by any other sub contractor. Especially if your site supervisor knows someone who does that exact same thing. I had a similar experience went I went to purchase iron rod for one of my projects. I went with my contractor and all the prices everyone around gave me were quite outrageous. So I decided to go back home, changed my shirt, took another car and went back to those same places and voila, the prices dropped considerably. What I am simply saying is you can't rule out your contractor demanding for a kickback and then frustrate the guy's or deliberately malign his job for refusing to give. I once wanted to sell one of my lands to a guy, and his lawyer collected my phone number, called me and insisted if he didn't get a cut, the deal will collapse. I didn't budge and then he told his client the land had so and so issues which was all a fabrication. The deal failed and I didn't feel bad because I eventually sold it at a higher price to someone who coincidentally was a friend to the first person. My point is this things happen so going forward, you shouldn't just take your site supervisor word as the gold standard 3 Likes |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by onyiloyi(m): 11:33am On Feb 28, 2017 |
ruggie: 1 Like |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by jabolo(m): 11:53am On Feb 28, 2017 |
johnson232: Yes, and as a 'potential client' I have learnt that client 'Olawale' had a bad experience with 'Engr Osaz'. He toook the time to state his case and evidently suffered some anguish during the whole process. No one has the right to diminish that, or accuse him of 'blackmail'. I have also learnt that Engr Osaz does have some satisfied past clients and the issues to do with this job could have been avoided. IT means I won't disqualify him from any future shortlist, but I will be clearer in my expectations / specificatuions. I have also learnt, perhaps, employing a professional (eg, QS) as an interface could help prevent some of the issues. . . See, so much education in just one morning on Nairaland - no need for insults or wahala. Kudos to all contributors and apologies to OP for the tangential direction the thread took. 5 Likes |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by Meche4life(m): 12:55pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
Pls I can help you do with the quote but the different types of chain links and I also need more info to be able to give accurate quote so if you don't mind lets chat in private on watsapp my number is 08184938834 |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by Meche4life(m): 1:03pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
[quote author=ochiosa post=54131191][/quote]i can give you this quote in 30minutes but I need to get more info from you so if you don't mind chat me up on watsapp on 08184938834 |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by Meche4life(m): 1:10pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
ruggie:chat me up on 08184938834 for full quote |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by Astrogeotech01: 1:29pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
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Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by olawale100: 1:37pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
jeftalene: Osaz, What I expected from you is an apology. You ignored my previous 3 emails and now you are writing that customer is not always right. Is there a difference between saying "I will always be on site until the job is completed" and "Most times when i leave the site, I ensure that one of my men are on ground to take over" I called you when I was informed that the drillers had stopped work, you said you will call your "people on site" and make solve the "mishap", I got to site about 45 minutes later, the drillers confirmed that only 20 points have been paid for, your man on site even tried to cover up, concrete had been mixed & solidifying, my materials was wasting, Cement is N2,750 per bag, and you said I should not intervene. Definitely if the amount that I am suppose to give you as balance is so much more than what the drillers are owed, I would have had no choice than to call you to order. But after doing the maths, I realize that the loss for me will not be drastic, even a reasonable person at that time would have still come over to make amends. What did you tell me? that you have eye problems that you will not be coming to the site again and that when the project is over, we can do addition and subtraction and balance out each other. You even thanked me for intervening and making sure the project is not delayed. Did you care to call on Friday when the project was completed? Did you find out how much additional funds I spent? It won't matter to you because you had made your profit and moved on. I sent a mail to you to complain of the quality of service, not once but twice, you did not respond or you pretended not to have seen it. Regarding your advise about laying it all on the table about methods, asking the right questions, etc, you are the professional here. You should have informed me in details what is required for the project. This will also allow the client to cost the project and know if he can afford it or not. Remember when we you came to the site for the first time, you said you wanted to buy iron casing for the piles, I asked why was I not informed about this before, you went to Owode onirin, to find out about iron casing and you told me it is too expensive to use because each unit costs 150k, even the borehole, you did not tell me I will need to drill one. it came at additional cost. If not for your greed, you would have allowed me to back out of the project because at some point, the way you answered some of my questions made me doubted your competency. If my Engineer asked you for bribe, you should have told me so. You still have the opportunity show me evidence, I don't think the bribe us critical to the way you behaved or how things turned out. Besides, he is an adult, I cannot control or be responsible for his action. But if the claim is established, that will be the end of the contract and my relationship with him. I will not join issues anymore on this matter. I have made my point. My conscience is free. 3 Likes |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by olawale100: 1:46pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
Ioannes: Thank you so much for this post. All the piling job I had seen before were done using drilling machine and the concrete work was done via concrete mixer. I assumed that giving my job to a structural engineer was going to make things better for me. But I have learnt. Even if I am big enough to hire Julius Berger in the future, all the details will be perused in to to..... 4 Likes |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by clifftop: 2:23pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
The perimeter is 106+80 = 186m Mesh comes in 3m spans No of mesh panels required = 186/3= 62 panels of wire mesh With 63 intermediate post You need concentina wire( razor coil) : a bundle covers 15m No of bundle to cover 186 m = 186/15 = 13 rolls Now concreting we can consider 400mm x400mmx600mm x 62=6.048m3 in a loose soil or 300*300*400 in a strong soil For 6.048m3 we shall need 25 bags of cements 5 tones of granite and 5 tones of sharp Sand For supply and execution you can chat me up on 07084412579 /Tolu 2 Likes |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by heilige(m): 2:42pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
Is it possible that 2 acres can have a perimeter of 186m ? |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by ruggie: 3:09pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
Ho-ly Cow I definitely did not expect all of this. PqsMike: @PqsMike , I understand what you are saying, but ask here was for an estimate. Anyone who takes an estimate and uses that as the "final cost" does not understand the meaning of the word estimate. More likely than not, an estimate is bound to change, especially when more details are revealed or become known. yommy78: QSFemi: ochiosa: clifftop: @yommy78, @QSFemi, @ochiosa and @clifftop Thank you very much. What you have provided was kind of what I was expecting. A brief idea of what is involved for such an activity (e.g. the chain link fence, poles, concrete etc.) A few numbers around cost of each item at a specific point in time, since we all should know that prices move up and down a lot. A few numbers around what might be need based on the dimensions provided (or stating the dimensions of the the material to be used so that I can do the math). A possible total number, if you are comfortable with the information you have, and a finally disclaimer that all of it is subject to change if new details emerge. I very much appreciate the details you guys have provided. As to the discussion between Engr. Osaz and olawale100, Please guys, try to get to a resolution that will be acceptable by both of you. As I stated earlier in the thread, this will be taken into consideration, but I can honestly say I have not made a decision yet, so any and everyone is still in the running, as I am still planning (and understanding) what is all needed for this. 1 Like |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by ruggie: 3:15pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
heilige: I would hope that was just a slip of the keyboard, as that is easily check-able. i.e (106m + 80m) X 2 = 186 X 2 = 372m 1 Like |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by Meche4life(m): 3:18pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
ruggie:you can reach me on watsapp on 08184938834 for the full quotation on the project I have it now |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by ruggie: 3:23pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
pacespot: I plan to come back and put in my actuals, hopefully late March / early April, when it is all done. |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by Nobody: 4:49pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
olawale100: You're right. Well I hope you've learnt. I would still urge you to use professionals, but insist on them explaining to you materials and methodologies to be used. Don't ever assume. 1 Like |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by pacespot(m): 5:07pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
ruggie: OK, looking forward to that |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by Astrogeotech01: 5:31pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
heilige: (0.81 hectares) 2 acres = 360 metres Acre is a unit of area, it is 43560 square feet, but it can be any shape, a square, a circle, a long thin rectangle, a triangle, pie shaped or any other shape. |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by seunfly: 4:45am On Mar 01, 2017 |
jeftalene: The bolded part is bullshit, the minimum standard should just be met and the engineer should have informed the client if he has alternative and if his client is comfortable with d option not the other way round. It is only in Nigeria that u always want to check if a professional will do the right thing. Also, I did not buy the idea of bribery, I believe the said engineer should have raised alarm especially when it was about to damage the relationship between him and his client, why raise it up now. I feel olawale100 should follow this allegation up and get to d root because if it is true, his supervising engineer has already compromise and it is of no good to him. 1 Like |
Re: Request : Estimate For Chain Link Fence by adebaxton(m): 7:29pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
olawale100: Been in the construction field with diverse experience on and off nairaland... served so many Nairalanders till date, I find it so difficult how individuals come in here portraying themselves as Engr,QS,Architect without being certified or even qualified in any way. It's time, We all make proper consultation on any so called contractor on Nairaland and beyond. |
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