MZLady39:
Oh MuttleyLaff,
My brother....you have to get out and get some fresh air.....(meaning another thread).
Take a break from this thread..venture out, spread your wings, post some comments.. and then, if you can't resist, please come back.

From your sister...the lady musketeer in the trio

Splinz:
Oh really!? Wow... I'm not in the know that the early Church worshiped on the "Lord's Day". Well, lets find out

Splinz:
Before examination, let’s read the first three verses of this chapter to put verse 2 in context: “Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do you. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God has prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. And when I come, whomsoever you shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.”

This passage supposedly gives authority for passing the “collection plate” every Sunday. Does it represent a general command to all Christians, for all time, to give freewill offerings at “Sunday services”? No! However, the passage does speak of an offering, a collection to be taken up for a specific purpose. The offering described here is unique in five ways. As you read these points, see if there is even a remote indication or hint that God in any way commands or authorizes Sunday-keeping through it.

First, it is a specific offering described in Romans 15:25-28: “But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. For it has pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem. It has pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal [physical] things. When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit, I will come by you into Spain.”

This passage shows the collection was “for the poor saints…at Jerusalem.” It was not a collection plate passed on Sunday. The Jerusalem saints were to receive food because they were suffering from drought and famine. The Greek word translated “fruit” can also refer to grain, produce or wine, which can be stored for long periods.

There is no reference to money here. There is also nothing about giving a collection to the minister or a church hierarchy.

Second, it was done at one specific time—when Paul passed through (“I will come by you into Spain”).

Third, it was given at one specific place (“let everyone of you lay by him in store”). This is because Paul would come later (vs. 3 – “when I come”) to gather what brethren had been saving at home (“lay by him in store”). This was not an offering kept at the church, or given every—or any—Sunday.

Fourth, this command is specific to the Corinthians (vs. 1). There is no command for Sunday collections here, but merely instruction to local brethren to store an important offering for poor brethren!

Fifth, this letter was received in Corinth during the Days of Unleavened Bread. “First day of the week” should properly be translated “first of the weeks (plural).” The collection was almost certainly to happen immediately after the Days of Unleavened Bread, in the first week counting toward Pentecost.

Verse 4—“and if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me”—coupled with verse 3 referencing “them,” shows that it took several people to transport this large offering to Jerusalem. This would not be necessary if it was simply cash and coins taken up in an offering plate. It would be necessary if much food and drink was involved.

Splinz:
So bro, there's no such proofs here that the early Church worshiped on Sundays.
Now, lets look at your next point...

Splinz:
This is nothing short of a heartbreak to me, really. So the "Lord's Day" is Sunday? Indeed!

The Lord's Day
Like many of other Scriptural truths misinterpreted and misunderstood, mainstream churchianity has always termed their Sunday worships as worshiping on the "Lord's Day". This would have been humorous had it not been for what truly is the Lord's Day according to Scriptures.

Understand. There are numerous Scriptural references to the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2: 12-18; 13: 9; Jeremiah 46: 10; Joel 1: 15, 16; 2 Peter 3: 10, Amos 5:18-20, etc.). And all of these passages speaks of the "Day of God's Wrath" on rebellious mankind. Listen: "Woe to you who long for the day of the LORD! Why do you long for the day of the LORD? That day will be darkness, not light" (Amos 5:18).

And besides, notice that Revelation does not say "the first day of the week" or "Sunday" is what John calls the "Lord's Day". So then, according to the true meaning of the Lord's Day, John was taken in the Spirit to a great Day in the future. A day of great anguish, pains, sorrows and gnashing of teeth! The plaques spoken of in Revelation will be poured out on disobedience children. Again, listen to this lengthy passage:

"The great day of the LORD is near, near and hastening fast; the sound of the day of the LORD is bitter, the mighty man cries aloud there. A day of wrath is that day, a day of distress and anguish, a day of ruin and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness, a day of trumpet blast and battle cry against the fortified cities and against the lofty battlements. I will bring distress on men, so that they shall walk like the blind, because they have sinned against the LORD; their blood shall be poured out like dust, and their flesh like dung. Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth" (Zephaniah 1:14-18).

So then, we see that the Lord's Day is no day for worship but a day of great wrath revealed to John! This was to warn us to desist from sins in other to escape this gloomy day for sinners! How could the early Church have desired such a day, and why should you? God forbid!

PS: Beautiful and desirable is a day God calls “My holy day”, and that day is the Sabbath day (Isaiah 58:13).
Why not desire this holy day, and save yourself from wrath?

Splinz:
John 20:19

“Then the same day at evening, being THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and said unto them, Peace be unto you.” Was this a Sunday worship service? Was it to celebrate Christ’s Resurrection?

Christ had just been resurrected—late Sabbath afternoon, between 3 and 6 p.m. Some disciples had gone to the tomb early Sunday morning to see if He was there. Other accounts we will review demonstrate that He was already gone—already “risen.” His first opportunity to see the disciples would have been on Sunday—the first day of the week. He had just been horribly tortured and crucified, and gone for three days in the tomb. It was natural for Christ to meet with them right after this had happened.

The account says nothing of this being a “worship service,” or a “resurrection service.” The brethren were meeting privately, probably secretly in a closed room, “for fear of the Jews.” Remember, the Jews had crucified their friend and Master. They would have had much to discuss. Also remember that they had all been living together in this single upper room (Acts 1:13). It was also impossible that the meeting was some kind of “Sunday resurrection celebration,” because the disciples did not believe that Jesus was risen (Mark 16:14; Luke 24:37, 39, 41)!

There is certainly nothing in this account that references either Sunday or that the Sabbath is done away.
Therefore, we conclude that it contains no authority for changing God’s Sabbath to Sunday.

petra1:
Kindly watch your tongue brother.
If you have something to say, kindly share it from scripture.
I don't converse with rude talkers .

petra1:
It would have been very nice explanation to dismiss the Sunday worship except that. He waited a whole week to appear to them again on another Sunday. If the first Sunday evening appearance was a coincidence. What about second week.
On another Sunday when they were gathered together.
Why Sunday? Simply because the church services were held every Sunday. It wasn't a roman invention .

Why collecting special offerings on Sunday for jesrusalem? Why not Monday or Saturday sabbath?

Splinz:
Sorry, you're wrong. Lets see which day the early Church kept.

Paul and Barnabas Teach on the Sabbath).

Bro did you see that!?? “And THE NEXT SABBATH” Not “AND THE NEXT SUNDAY!”

petra1:
You're right.
They went to the sinagogue to preach to the Jews the Judaists but not the church gathering. The church meets on sundays

Splinz:
Apparently, you don't get it. Both Jews and the Gentiles were taught on the Sabbath. These are biblical facts! Nothing like the Church meetings on Sunday.

Besides, do you not know that a Christian is also a Jew? (Romans 2:29). And that salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22)? So who are the Jews and the Church?

Such bold statement of yours simply means you don't really know much about who a Christian is. Such a sad reality

petra1:
I'm trying my best to overlook your rudeness . Maybe to you it's a weapon of intimidation. But I will advice you to humble yourself and stop assuming position of a master so that just in case you are proven wrong you can accept . Gods word should be communicated in humility. It's just my word of advice to you.

Now back to the topic . You want to know why Christians worship on Sunday . You asked the question . Pls kindly be patient to hear the answers . You already made it clear that you don't know that there is a difference between the day of the lord and the lords day. You made it known to us all also that you don't known that Sunday is the lords day . So pls kindly allow me to expresss my knowledge freely and read it with open mind ...

I will go over my points again

Splinz:
Musketeers armed with the truths.
Fully rooted and built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the Chief cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20).
Indeed, it is a privilege.

petra1:
You didn't address the scriptures I posted.
You're quoting Paul imitating christ. Christ violated the law concerning the sabbath.
It was against the law to work or Labour on sabbath day. Christ did work heal, go to farm to harvest corn on sabbath day

petra1:
So if Paul's imitation of christ was about the sabbath then it's a violation of the sabbath Paul was teaching us to emulate

petra1:

THE CHURCH WORSHIP ON SUNDAYS

The early church refers to Sunday as first day of the week . Or the lords day . Because Jesus rose on Sunday , the church began to meet on Sunday . This was well before Constantine became emperor

Splinz:


Another lie and false teaching. Bro, Jesus didn't rise on Sunday. This is because your Good Friday crucifixion and early Sunday morning resurrection fails

petra1:

Lets look at it in a modern translation.

Revelation 1:10(MSG)
10 It was Sunday and I was in the Spirit, praying. I heard a loud voice behind me, trumpet-clear and piercing
The lords day is Sunday .

Acts 20:7 (MSG)
7 We met on Sunday to worship and celebrate the Master's Supper. Paul addressed the congregation. Our plan was to leave first thing in the morning, but Paul talked on, way past midnight

petra1:



He rose on Sunday the Bible was clear on that but if you're talking about 3 days and 3 nights . It's because Jesus didn't die on Friday but Wednesday night

MZLady39:
Bro. Splinz,

While I disagree with some of Petra1's interepretations, he is correct on Jesus having risen on Sunday.
Matthew 28:1...would confirm Sunday (as first day of the week) if we are calling Sabbath (Saturday-the 7th day). Jesus was not in the tomb as Mary approached the tomb early Sunday.
It may not be the best approach to go into the full-day part (evening/morning) because that may cause more confusion.
I support you on most everything else

petra1:

Paul also talked about the needlessness of the sabbath worship

Colossians 2:16
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

DoctorAlien:
Good work brother Splinz! May GOD reward your efforts to spread His truth bountifully.

Splinz:


Thank you. But you're wrong. Jesus didn't rise on Sunday. Study the points I raised again. You'll see that the Fri-Sun traditions failed Jesus SIGN woefully!

MZLady39:



Bro. Splinz....love ya
To be continued.....

See you sister.

MZLady39:
Bro. Splinz,

While I disagree with some of Petra1's interepretations, he is correct on Jesus having risen on Sunday.
Matthew 28:1...would confirm Sunday (as first day of the week) if we are calling Sabbath (Saturday-the 7th day). Jesus was not in the tomb as Mary approached the tomb early Sunday.
It may not be the best approach to go into the full-day part (evening/morning) because that may cause more confusion.
I support you on most everything else

Splinz:
Another lie and false teaching. Bro, Jesus didn't rise on Sunday.
This is because your Good Friday crucifixion and early Sunday morning resurrection fails Jesus given SIGN woefully!

When asked by the Pharisees to show them a sign, Jesus replied and said: “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign; but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:39).

“Three days and three nights” is equivalent to 72 hours, i.e, 12 hours in a day (John 11:9) and 12 hours in a night, making it altogether 24 hours in what is commonly called “a day”.

In fact, Genesis 1:4-13 plainly says that God “divided the light from darkness. And God called the light Day and the darkness He called Night. And the evening [darkness] and the morning [light] were the first day…And the evening [darkness] and the morning [light] were the second day…And the evening [now THREE periods of darkness called night—three nights] and the morning [now THREE periods of light called day—three days] were the third day.”

This is the Bible’s definition of the length of time accounted for within the phrase “the third day.” It spanned three periods of darkness and three periods of light. It has been proven that each of these periods is twelve hours. Six times twelve hours equals 72 hours! What could be more plain?

So then, a late Friday afternoon entombment means a late Monday afternoon resurrection. It is as simple as counting one, two, three!

What! Did Jesus failed His own SIGN? No, let God be true and every man a liar (Romans 3:4). So you see, your claims that Jesus resurrected on Sunday is nothing but fictitious tales invented by those marked for destruction, to lead people into worshiping “another Jesus” (2 Corinthians 11:4), since the one and only true Jesus Christ of the Bible never resurrected on Sunday nor was He crucified on Friday. Bro, your theory falls like a pack of cards!

petra1:
He rose on Sunday the Bible was clear on that but if you're talking about 3 days and 3 nights.
It's because Jesus didn't die on Friday but Wednesday night

Splinz:
Interesting! Oh, He died on Wednesday and rose on Sunday?

Splinz:
How many days/hours is that?

Splinz:
If Jesus died on Wednesday, doesn't that means that He resurrected on Saturday, the Sabbath day?

MZLady39:
Bro. Splinz,
While I disagree with some of Petra1's interepretations, he is correct on Jesus having risen on Sunday.
Matthew 28:1...would confirm Sunday (as first day of the week) if we are calling Sabbath (Saturday-the 7th day).
Jesus was not in the tomb as Mary approached the tomb early Sunday.
It may not be the best approach to go into the full-day part (evening/morning) because that may cause more confusion.
I support you on most everything else

Splinz:
Thank you. But you're wrong.
Jesus didn't rise on Sunday. Study the points I raised again. You'll see that the Fri-Sun traditions failed Jesus SIGN woefully!

Splinz:

Please, kindly dump this so-called Modern Translation. It serves nothing other than ulterior motives. I've seen lots of new translations that can be properly labeled “pure human inventions”, and this your translation is one of them. What distorted and altered junk!

So you know, I have accessed to even the original Greek manuscripts. So, you can't sway someone like me with your translation. I repeat, both “The Day of the Lord” (Zephaniah 1:14-18) and “The Lord's Day” (Rev. 1:10) means the same thing—the Day of wrath. You can't prove otherwise.

MuttleyLaff:


Close, He died on Wednesday but actually was buried on Wednesday night Petra1

Splinz:


On the contrary, Paul talked of the keeping of the Sabbath: “So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God” (Hebrews 4:9).

petra1:
From my study ,Christ was dead for three full days and for three full nights.
He was put in the grave Wednesday just before sunset and was resurrected at the end of Saturday at sunset.
The Jews count night first .

Genesis 1:5 (KJV Strong's)
. . . . And the evening and the morning were the first day.

MZLady39:
Bro. Splinz,
While I disagree with some of Petra1's interepretations, he is correct on Jesus having risen on Sunday.

MuttleyLaff:
Jesus was buried on Wednesday night >> Thursday night >> Friday night >> Saturday night, means He spent 3x nights in the grave
Thurday day >> Friday day >> Saturday day >> Sunday day, means He spent 3x days in the grave

So, Jesus after spending 3 days and 3 nights in the grave, then rose from the dead before sunrise on Sunday

We are saying the same thing as you can see from the above slightly edited with underlines for days and nights emphasis reproduced post

petra1:


That's a spiritual sabbath in Christ . This is not making reference to a day . Christ is our rest . But concerning the sabbath of days which is a shadow of christ . The Bible is clear on that. It's case closed . It's a choice though. I can't judge for for observing it. Neither should you me

petra1:


Kindly read all my posts with open mind .

petra1:

It's not really a nice thing for you to start condemning bible translations just because it contrary to what you've always believe. You should rather ponder on the issue and do a little research .

Splinz:


Now this is funny. How did you coined it again: "A spiritual Sabbath?". Bro, wow... you must be a scholar! Your understanding of these things can befuddle one.