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Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Abagworo(m): 3:19pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
martha89: Isn't Esan Edo or are they now in Delta? The issue is that he argued with some facebook Igbos and took it beyond a joke it should be. |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by martha89: 3:42pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
Abagworo:The guy is a benin guy and he has many fake id... |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Cire80: 6:26pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
Abagworo:Are you serious? Using that mad man's ranting to make a point? Even when all known Edos on Nairaland have denied him? Seems you don't have any point |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Afam4eva(m): 7:47pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
Like i've been belaboring, i don't care whether Ika ir Igbo or not. Whatever the case may be, i think the Igbo nation is not getting it's due credit. We were taught in secondary school that the Igbos did not have a centralised system of government as everything was decentralised and every village were independent from each other. But from what i'm reading on this thread, it seems the Igbos may be one of the greatest colonizers in this part of the world. For the Ika and Ikwerre people to abandon whichever language they used to speak for an Igboid one goes to show this fact. 2 Likes |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by B2mario(m): 6:25pm On Mar 01, 2017 |
bigfrancis21:correct 1 Like |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by cheruv: 12:03am On Mar 03, 2017 |
Cire80:Guy stop fooling yourself with this Igbophobia...I've the doc redbonesmith is quoting from and he's very correct. Moreover from that document, it seems most Igbo dialects exclusive of Onicha are nasalized... Going from ika to ukwuani to ndele to ogba to owere to ohuhu/ngwa to æbriba to æhugbo to izi to udi. Only onicha doesn't show nasalization... As for ækpæyæ, that one dey a world of their own and they're the only people that'd say they're not Igbo and I'd agree. Does anyone have an ækpæyæ dictionary in e-format?? Biko? |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Cire80: 1:09am On Mar 03, 2017 |
cheruv:Just like every other of your brothers here you lack brain. The person I quoted knows the context of which I quoted him and any other reasonable person here understands as well. So run along |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by cheruv: 12:31pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Cire80:I'd run after you bro Instead of you returning to Idu from where your ancestors fled from you're here trying to claim the land of the people who harbored them on their flight from Benin. All these Benin land thieves no go kill me with laughter 1 Like |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by bigfrancis21: 4:43pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Cire80: If you despise anything Igbo, the language, customs etc and so favor your bini ancestry why not relocate to Edo state? Or that option has never occurred to you before? If you're one of those with foreign-sounding surnames in an igbo-speaking area such as okunbor, irabor etc. isn't it clear that you're a foreigner from bini/edo? What stops you from returning to Edo state and forgetting anything Igbo, a tribe you love to despise? 1 Like |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Cire80: 4:52pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
bigfrancis21:If you think I'm Igbo hating, that's your business. I don't have time to hate or despise anybody but if you see my bluntness as hate, good for you. You guys are very ignorant and you come online to display such ignorance. Did anybody tell you guys there is differences between Igbo-surname bearing and Edo-surname bearing Ika. What display of Ignorance. And for your information, I'm in my fatherland. The land of ancestors. An Ika speaking area. You can only ask me to vacate my land for you only online. If you try this in real life anywhere near Ika, you might lose your brains to bullet |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by bigfrancis21: 4:57pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Cire80: Dude you're a foreigner. Ika is not your fatherland. Return to edo state or you speak for your own immigrant family. Do not drag the entire Ika Igbo into your immigrant stories. Igboland needs a Donald Trump to put an end to all these immigrant noises in Igboland. We have been too peaceful with you all for so long. Imagine foreigners making the loudest noise in an area that does not belong to them. You think we can't pursue you immigrants out of Ika land if we wanted to? 1 Like |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by bigfrancis21: 5:00pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Of course favour99 is Cire80. Newbie on NL and only after a couple of posts on this thread, 'it' is nowhere to be found. |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Probz(m): 5:12pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
cc.bigfrancis21 I've been reading your earlier post and it's genuinely made me consider the thing from a wholly different point of view re. Ikas and Ukwuanis. How much of Ika do you understand relative to some of the more concentrated southeastern dialects (Waawa, Izzi-Ezza-Mgbo-Ikwo cluster, Edda, Aro, Ohafia, Abiriba)? The intonation if nothing else is what throws me when it comes to Ika (and to a lesser extent Ukwuani). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTeyLw6gKxE The individual lexicon's a little different from more mainstream Igbo dialects but it still sounds 100% Igbo even if the Cross Riverian/Ibibio influence is there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ltIzwR03ks You can hear a lot of Igbo words in this Ika clip but it's hard (for me at least) to make out the bulk of it by the inflection if nothing else. It doesn't sound like Igbo (I won't dispute that it's an Igbo language though). |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Afam4eva(m): 5:27pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Probz:The emboldened is the greatest mistake people often make when the issue of Igboness is discussed. There's a clear line between popular Igbo culture and Igbo culture (which is not homogenous and varies from place to place). That we don't say IGBO KWENU or wear the red cap in my place doesn't make us less Igbo. Some of these cultures are borrowed from other Igbo groups to align with the center but it doesn't mean that they have always been like that historically. Now to the language issue, it's very convenient to pick a dialect of your chic and then compare it with Ika in order to buttress a held bias. Can you do us a favour and do the same thing for EZZA and IZZI in comparison to Ika, let's see if the story will remain the same. 2 Likes |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by bigfrancis21: 5:28pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Probz: I spent some time growing up in Owerri and have 'an ear' sort of to southern Igbo dialects. Owerri/Etche/Ngor-Okpala/Mbaise I understand perfectly. My mother was from Enugu state and growing up she often spoke her Oji River dialect at home, thus exposing me to the general feel of Enugu dialects such as Nkanu etc (often referred to as waawa). One of my mom's family friends is from Ohaozara Ebonyi state and I spent some time in her house during my NYSC and it shared about 30% similarity with my mom's native dialect of Enugu state and I understood everything she spoke with her husband or her relatives over the phone. I spent 5 years going to school in Nsukka and I do not have a hard time understanding the dialect. I can't speak for Izzi, Ezza etc. as I have not been exposed to those for some time. I listened to both clips you provided. At first attempt I understand Ika at about at least 70% given it's slight similarity to Owerri where I did my secondary school. With my 'southern ear', I quite also understood what the Abiriba guy was saying but I understand Opobo/Bonny better than Abiriba. Someone said if you grew up in Igboland, you would definitely understand whatever dialect you come across, even if not up to 100% but you'd get a general feel of what the speaker is trying to communicate, and I agree with that. |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by bigfrancis21: 5:32pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Having seen the Ekpeye dictionary, it shows the highest divergence from the Igbo cluster and I would not regard it as an Igbo dialect but a standalone Igboid language of its own. |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Afam4eva(m): 5:33pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
bigfrancis21:I'm not really exposed to southern Igbo dialect and that is why when i found myself in Egbema in Imo state, i was like, what sort of Igbo dialect is this that is so hard to understand. Few months later, i could understand Egbema dialect perfectly save for a few words here and there. What i just needed to do was to understand the base upon which the dialect was built on and hearing it now, it doesn't sound strange at all. I think it's not enough to grow up in Igboland, you have to be exposed to atleast the two branches of Igbo dialects (Northern and southern). I've noticed that a lot of people from the Anambra and Enugu axis of Igboland always look down at the dialects spoken in Imo,Abia and Rivers state. That is because they're not really exposed to those dialects. 1 Like |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Probz(m): 5:36pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Afam4eva: I've already talked about Izzi and Ezza. Most mainstream Igbos can barely decipher more than a quarter of northern Ebonyi dialects (Abakaliki axis) and I'm no exception. I can decipher the southern ones a little more but not upland. I'm past the stage of debating whether Ika and Ukwuani are linguistically Igbo or Igboid. The whole point of this thread was me understanding the history behind Delta Igbo and this thread's genuinely opened my eyes. Doesn't mean it sounds mainstream Igbo to me, which you'll notice was my choice of words. The intonation's clearly foreign even if the vocabulary's the same. |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Probz(m): 5:39pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Afam4eva: It's mostly Anambra people that do this. Enugu people aren't in any position to look down on other dialects with the Wawa they speak. |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by bigfrancis21: 5:43pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Probz: I won't lie, some of my people do this and you won't blame us nau... ...our respective dialects are often very easy to speak and understand by every Igbo speaker such that some people think we speak 'central igbo' because it is easily understood by everyone. Back in the day up till the 90s Onicha used to be the spoken 'central Igbo' sort of. |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Afam4eva(m): 5:44pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Probz:Fair enough... I think the earlier we all accepted that the Igbo denials in Delta and Rivers state is more political, the better for us. if the area currently know aas Delta Igbo had been in the east by political delineation, this denials would never arise. The fact that Delta state had been in the western region, midwest and now the south-south is what gives some people the effrontery to go on a journey of denials. Now, why are the denials more pronounced in Ika than Aniocha/Oshimili. It's very simple. The people in Ika have a basis for holding their idea. This basis is what people like Cire80 and Agboetan in the past have been hinging their argument on which is the Edo/Bini influence in Ika. The Aniocha/Oshimili people would have been as stubborn if not for the fact that there would be no strong basis for their argument, Their dialects is just too central and it would fall flat if they dare to use language in their argument. So, what the few of them from that axis like Emeka Esogbue hinge on is by lumping Aniocha/Oshimili with Ika and Ukwuani and then they tell you that Anioma people from from Yoruba, Igala, Edo and Ibo. Always noticed that they always make Igbo come last in order not to suggest anything to people. 2 Likes |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Probz(m): 5:45pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: As do mine. I hail from Anambra myself. I've noticed that not all of Ebonyi speaks alien Igbo, though. That's more of a thing with the Abakaliki axis (Izzi-Ikwo-Ezza). I know people from Afikpo (Edda) and their dialects are more related to Abiriba, Aro, and other Eastern Igbo dialects than northern Ebonyi dialects and anyone with 'an ear for southern dialects' would find that easier to sabi since Afikpo used to be in Abia. |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Afam4eva(m): 5:47pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Probz:I'm actually WAWA and our dialect is not that bad. You have to understand that Enugu do what Anambra people do. Most Enugu people will speak impecable central Igbo to you even more than Anambra peeps. Rarely will you come across an Nkanu person that will speak their Nkanu dialect when taking to another Igbo person. This is not the case with people from Abia and Imo. An owerri person will always converse with you in Owerri dialect whether or not you understand it. Same with Ngwa people. 2 Likes |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by bigfrancis21: 5:48pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
This is Ogba dialect of Rivers State. The cultural beats and dance style look very mainstream Igbo. The dialect too in pronunciation doesn't sound foreign. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU02-Nv7S9E |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Probz(m): 5:50pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Afam4eva: I know re. Wawa. It's mostly the Nsukka and deep Nkanu dialects that give Wawa a bad name on the linguistic front. I dunno for Oji River and Ezeagu but Udi's not that divergent from general Anambra Igbo. |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Afam4eva(m): 5:53pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Probz:Yeah, Udi is more similar to Anambra dialects. My part of wawa is not even as deep as the one you find when you go to places like Akpugo etc. Pashi iyom ebomu What can tell me what i wrote above. 1 Like |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Probz(m): 5:56pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
[code][/code] bigfrancis21:I'm sure I've read that there's Ogba communities in Imo as well as Rivers state and that doesn't surprise me given how mainline their dialect sounds (and cultural display looks). Ogba and Ikwerre are still classed as Igboid somehow. That's actually the other half of this thread (Rivers Igbos). What's the history behind Bonny-Opobo and Igbo-Ijaw interplay in those areas? |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Probz(m): 6:01pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Afam4eva:I can't tell you jack. Wanna put me out of my misery? |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Afam4eva(m): 6:09pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Probz: Pashi = dowe ya = keep Iyon = That thing Ebomu = There Pashi iyom ebomu = Keep that thing there In which universe does this sound Igbo? 1 Like |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Probz(m): 6:12pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Afam4eva:\ No universe on this side of the galaxy. It reads more Calabar than Igbo |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by Cire80: 6:30pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
bigfrancis21:You guys have problems. Seriously? |
Re: Delta (and Rivers) Igbos by bigfrancis21: 7:12pm On Mar 03, 2017 |
Cire80: Your attempt at trying to defend the imposter moniker makes you even more guilty. Quit it already dude. I am not new to this forum. |
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