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Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 10:30pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
Splinz: Study eschatology . The day of the lord is the battle of Armageddon at the second coming. It's a day of battle . Joel 2:1 1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for[b] the day of the Lord cometh[/b], for it is nigh at hand;Joel 2:4-5 . . . 4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. 5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. Whereas the lords day is a Sunday a day of fellowship . John was worshiping God on Sunday morning when he was caught up in spirit and God revealed to him what will happen at the end of this age . He wrote them down and it's called THE BOOK OF REVELATION. Revelation 1:10-11 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea Revelation 1:9-11 9 I, John, with you all the way in the trial and the Kingdom and the passion of patience in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of God's Word, the witness of Jesus. 10 It was Sunday and I was in the Spirit, praying. I heard a loud voice behind me, trumpet-clear and piercing: 11 "Write what you see into a book. Send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea." ., |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Nobody: 10:32pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff, Wow...I'm really disappointed in your behavior! Trying to stir up strife.. and cause confusion If I were way younger...maybe your tactics would've worked. So sorry to disappoint you, but there will be no "fall-out" between me & my bro. Splinz. Don't you have any siblings You can have a disagreement or even a misunderstanding yet still be respectful & loving towards one another.... Even "free-thinkers" know that. Don't let the enemy keep using you....my other brother Till next time |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by MuttleyLaff: 10:34pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
Splinz: petra1: Splinz: petra1:I tried warning you that anything and everything you write about, to Splinz, flies and just goes over his head Now you have your work cut out for you educating him on the spiritual Sabbath |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Nobody: 10:34pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1: I'm not quite sure that I agree with this statement sir. |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 10:49pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1: You're very funny in explaining these things. Anyway, I'm not unaware of the works of carnality (Romans 8:7). The original thoughts and inventors of your own "brand" of Christianity said it all: "...if for these and other such rules [for Sunday observance] you insist upon having positive Scriptural injunction, you will find NONE" (Tertullian, AD 200). Indeed! Human inventions... |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 10:54pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1: Not when I know who invented your Eschatology. Just another bunch of human invention serving ulterior motives. Sorry, I'm not buying it. |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 11:03pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
MZLady39: Let him be. |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 11:07pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
MZLady39: The sabbath was not the normal weekly sabbath but the annual high sabbath which was observed during Passover . It can fall all any day of the week Wednesday,Thursday etc. Just as Christmas could be Sunday this year and Monday next year John 19:31 kjv 31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. John 19:31 NLT 31 It was the day of preparation, and the Jewish leaders didn’t want the bodies hanging there the next day, which was the Sabbath (and a very special Sabbath, because it was Passover week). So they asked Pilate to hasten their deaths by ordering that their legs be broken. Then their bodies could be taken down. |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Nobody: 11:12pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
Splinz: Ok..will do. |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 11:13pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
Splinz: Ok don't study eschatology if it's about the grammar . Study end time prophecies |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by MuttleyLaff: 11:17pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
MZLady39:I have no tactics, I have no strategies I am not into stiring up strife, as I am not a confusionist Weren't you two about to have an argument? People fall out, it's no big deal because after the fall out, follows a kiss and make up Please dont misinterpret my simple but telling observation as bad behaviour (i.e. claiming I am trying to stir up strife.. and cause confusion). If this isnt an over reaction, I dont know what else to call it. SMH Seems you're becoming sensitive to the words or posts of others here and have started to interpret them in a negative way It was a simple observational remark I made, but she is making a mountain out of a molehill over it Don't give the enemy a foothold to use you ....my other sister from another mister petra1: MZLady39:Care to explain in details what you dont agree with in his statement Should in case you're wondering whats my vested interest in knowing your reason(s), it was me who liked the post, as its gospel truth |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 11:19pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1: Grammar? Now that's quite childish. Bro, I don't want to sound puff up. But the true is, you need more learning than I do. Both basic Scriptural truths and prophecies. |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 11:19pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
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Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 11:22pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
Splinz: I don't see any reason why anyone would have issue with eschatology. It simply means study of end time. Which simply refers to prophetic study . So if the coinage of the grammar is the issue . Let's take out the grammar let's use simple language . That's what I meant |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 11:31pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
Splinz: Ok what sabbath was Paul' referring to? And also what sabbath was it that Joshua didn't give them? |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 11:36pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1: Thank you. Whether you called it "Eschatology" or whatever coinage. The true is, I am fully loaded. You think you know prophecies... really? |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by MuttleyLaff: 11:42pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
Splinz:Why would you want to sound puffed up when you're already doing a good job at expressing your keeping sabbath opinions in a pompous and dogmatic way Splinz:Oh for goodness sake! |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 11:54pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
petra1: "Spiritual Sabbath". Isn't that how you called it? But the Law (which the Sabbath is among) has always been spiritual (Romans 7:14), not physical. So mind explaining first of all when the Sabbath was physical? |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 11:55pm On Mar 02, 2017 |
Splinz: But how come you don't know the difference between The day of the lord and The lords day ? |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 12:14am On Mar 03, 2017 |
petra1: Because there's no difference. Yours is simply a case of learning the wrong things. An example is using such a junk translation, packed full of human insertions. Sorry bro, the Greek manuscripts have no such garbage. |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 12:19am On Mar 03, 2017 |
Splinz: So you still insist that the lords day of revelation chapter 1 was battle of Armageddon? That means the Armageddon was has been fought And that John was in the spirit while the war was going on? Right? |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 12:35am On Mar 03, 2017 |
petra1: You're the one saying. What we know is that John was taken into the future, to see how "The Lord's Day" will be. It's not called "revelation" for nothing. |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 1:08am On Mar 03, 2017 |
Splinz: No bible version makes that claim except the "loaded you" Firstly you need to understand that THE DAY OF THE LORD is an event , a battle of Armageddon So your interpretation is flawed there . The whole of the book of revelation was not about just one event . The book is about series of events spanning over a thousand years . Hope your get my point now . The passage clearly states that it was on The lords day which is Sunday that God showed John the future through trance . Every translation says the same . Kindly humble yourself brother . Revelation 1:10 (BBE) 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and a great voice at my back, as of a horn, came to my ears, Revelation 1:10 (NLT) 10 It was the Lord’s Day, and I was worshiping in the Spirit. Suddenly, I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet blast. Revelation 1:10 (TLB) 10 It was the Lord's Day and I was worshiping, when suddenly I heard a loud voice behind me, a voice that sounded like a trumpet blast, Revelation 1:9 (MSG) 9 I, John, with you all the way in the trial and the Kingdom and the passion of patience in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of God's Word, the witness of Jesus. |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by blueAgent(m): 6:13am On Mar 03, 2017 |
petra1: No .they never worshipped God on the firstday of the week. rather they kept the Sabbath even with converted gentiles. As Paul and Barnabas were going out, the people kept begging that these things might be spoken to them the next Sabbath. Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God. The next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of the Lord. read more. Acts 14:1-23 Now the question is why would Paul and the Gentiles wait till another Sabbath inorder to study the scripture when sunday was the next day? |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by blueAgent(m): 6:32am On Mar 03, 2017 |
petra1: In Colossians 2:16 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Paul was talking about the ceremonial sabbaths and not the weekly ones. The Lords day was never the firstday of the week it was Man that changed it. have you asked yourself all your referrences to the Lord's day have no sunday mentioned as the specific day. Rather the sabbath was mentioned as the day. It is also interesting to note that Jesus was the One who made the Sabbath in the first week of time. There was a reason for His claim to be Lord of the Sabbath day ( Mark 2:28). If He is the Lord of the Sabbath day, then the Sabbath must be the Lord’s day. John had a vision on “the Lord’s day,” according to Revelation 1:10. That day had to be the Sabbath. It is the only day so designated and claimed by God in the Bible. In writing the Ten Commandments, God called it “the sabbath of the Lord” ( Exodus 20:10). In Isaiah He is quoted as saying, “The sabbath, my holy day” (Isaiah 58:13) 1 Like |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by blueAgent(m): 6:39am On Mar 03, 2017 |
petra1: In John 20:19 which you cited the purpose of the diciples gathering was not to Worship God but as a result of the fear of the Jews. Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. when we read the Bible record of the event, we discover that the circumstances were quite different. Luke tells us that, even though the disciples were confronted with the eyewitness story of Mary Magdalene, they “believed not.” “After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen” (Mark 16:12-14) . Obviously, none of those upper room disciples believed that He was raised, so they could not have been joyously celebrating the resurrection. John explains their reason for being together in these words: “The doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews” ( John 20:19). |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 6:42am On Mar 03, 2017 |
blueAgent: John 20:19 (NLT) 19 That Sunday evening the disciples were meeting behind locked doors . . . . . Acts 20:7 (KJV Strong's) 7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Acts 20:7 (TLB) 7 On Sunday we gathered for a Communion service, with Paul preaching. And since he was leaving the next day, he talked until midnight! 1Corinthians 16:2 (AMPC) 2 On the first [day] of each week, let each one of you [personally] put aside something and save it up as he has prospered [in proportion to what he is given], so that no collections will need to be taken after I come. 1 Corinthians 16:2 (TLB) 2 On every Lord's Day each of you should put aside something from what you have earned during the week, and use it for this offering. The amount depends on how much the Lord has helped you earn. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once. 1 Corinthians 16:2 (MSG) 2 Every Sunday each of you make an offering and put it in safekeeping. Be as generous as you can. When I get there you'll have it ready, and I won't have to make a special appeal. Revelation 1:10 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Revelation 1:10 (MSG) 10 It was Sunday and I was in the Spirit, praying. I heard a loud voice behind me, trumpet-clear and piercing: rather they kept the Sabbath even with converted gentiles. . ..As Paul and Barnabas were going out, the people kept begging that these things might be spoken to them the next Sabbath. Now when the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of God. The next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of the Lord. read more. The church didn't gather to meet there .If you observed , The apostles went among them to preach to them so that they could become Christians . And some of them got converted Acts 14:1 And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed. |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by blueAgent(m): 6:47am On Mar 03, 2017 |
petra1: If Jesus wanted us Christains to worship him on his day of resurrection he could have told his disciples before his death. becos A Man will goes into effect ones he is dead and nothing can be added or removed from it. "Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto." Galatians 3:15 Paul is saying here that after a man's death, his will or covenant cannot be changed. Not one new addition can be made after the death of the testator. The covenant stands forever exactly as it stood when the testator died. After the death of Christ, no change whatsoever could be made in His provisions to save mankind. If Christ had desired His resurrection to be memori- alized by Sundaykeeping, He could have introduced it on that same Thursday night of the Last Supper. Then it would have become a part of the New Covenant, along with the Communion service and foot- washing. Jesus did not hesitate to command the observance of His death, even though it had not taken place yet. Just as easily He could have commanded the observance of His resurrection, which was still future, in order that it might become a New Covenant requirement. But He did not! And no one else ever did either, |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by blueAgent(m): 6:49am On Mar 03, 2017 |
Splinz: Excellent response. 1 Like |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by blueAgent(m): 6:50am On Mar 03, 2017 |
Auki: Stop posting lies here. |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 6:57am On Mar 03, 2017 |
blueAgent: Firstly Jesus made it clear we weren't bound by sabbath law . He's the lord of sabbath . Secondly the agenda that Constantine initiated Sunday worship after the Sun god is a fallacy. Thirdly it's a choice If you want to choose Tuesday or Wednesday to have service . There's no more any special day. Sabbath was a shadow of christ . He is our rest . Colossians 2:16 (KJV Strong's) 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Romans 14:5 (KJV Strong's) 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. If we criticize Sunday service , we criticize the church and it's foundation And all the apostles put together. Remember also that the synagogue was not an institution under the law. They were established by necessities. God didn't condemn it. So why condemning Sunday worship |
Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by blueAgent(m): 7:07am On Mar 03, 2017 |
petra1: I laugh , you just murdered the Bible. |
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