blueAgent:

I laugh , you just murdered the Bible.

DoctorAlien:
Based on these words, we must quietly pass over that embarrassing Sunday afternoon meeting in the closed room. It was not an occasion of unrestrained joy over the resurrection, as some have portrayed it. In fact, there was not even any recognition on the part of the disciples that a miracle had taken place. They were fearful, depressed, and unbelieving. When Jesus appeared to them He spoke words of strong rebuke because of their lack of faith and because they had rejected the testimony of their own companions. How misleading it is to make this a happy memorial service honoring the resurrection!

petra1:


Not at all .

Splinz:


Another lie and false teaching. Bro, Jesus didn't rise on Sunday. This is because your Good Friday crucifixion and early Sunday morning resurrection fails Jesus given SIGN woefully!

When asked by the Pharisees to show them a sign, Jesus replied and said: “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign; but no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:39). “Three days and three nights” is equivalent to 72 hours, i.e, 12 hours in a day (John 11:9) and 12 hours in a night, making it altogether 24 hours in what is commonly called “a day”.

In fact, Genesis 1:4-13 plainly says that God “divided the light from darkness. And God called the light Day and the darkness He called Night. And the evening [darkness] and the morning [light] were the first day…And the evening [darkness] and the morning [light] were the second day…And the evening [now THREE periods of darkness called night—three nights] and the morning [now THREE periods of light called day—three days] were the third day.”

This is the Bible’s definition of the length of time accounted for within the phrase “the third day.” It spanned three periods of darkness and three periods of light. It has been proven that each of these periods is twelve hours. Six times twelve hours equals 72 hours! What could be more plain?

So then, a late Friday afternoon entombment means a late Monday afternoon resurrection. It is as simple as counting one, two, three!

What! Did Jesus failed His own SIGN? No, let God be true and every man a liar (Romans 3:4). So you see, your claims that Jesus resurrected on Sunday is nothing but fictitious tales invented by those marked for destruction, to lead people into worshiping “another Jesus” (2 Corinthians 11:4), since the one and only true Jesus Christ of the Bible never resurrected on Sunday nor was He crucified on Friday. Bro, your theory falls like a pack of cards!

petra1:


What sabbath was being referred to here ?

Hebrews 4:8
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have said anything about another day.

They had the sabbath of days and week and years . But there's a true sabbath . Which is a spiritual place in christ . By salvation we are legally in his sabbath . But it's only by faith we enter it practically . It's a place of trust to rest on his word.

Hebrews 4:9-11
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

petra1:


No bible version makes that claim except the "loaded you"

blueAgent:


Let them starting worshipping on monday.

Splinz:

That John wasn't on "The Lord's Day", i.e, the day of God's wrath? . . Haven't I agreed that your Sunday worship is indeed a day of wrath? Keep deceiving yourself.

PS: Meanwhile, have you not seen the question I asked in my continuation page of this topic? What was the need of using maximum force and death threats to enforce your Sunday worship, a day supposedly used by the apostles and saints for worship?

Splinz:
That John wasn't on "The Lord's Day", i.e, the day of God's wrath?

Haven't I agreed that your Sunday worship is indeed a day of wrath? Keep deceiving yourself.

PS: Meanwhile, have you not seen the question I asked in my continuation page of this topic? What was the need of using maximum force and death threats to enforce your Sunday worship, a day supposedly used by the apostles and saints for worship?

petra1:
I know it's a little challenging for you to shift ground expecially when you've been raised in this inductrination.
But the truth is the truth. Do a search The lords day was Sunday.

1 Corinthians 16:2 (TLB)
2 On every Lord's Day each of you should put aside something from what you have earned during the week, and use it for this offering. The amount depends on how much the Lord has helped you earn. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once.

petra1:
This is just elementary bible truth.
Do a study you will see that you've been taught wrongly.
I just hope you have the liver to accept when you see it

petra1:
There's no Place like that in scriptures. They never forced anyone

petra1:


We have 3 worship days in my church Sunday Wednesday and Friday . So what's the big deal

petra1:


I know it's a little challenging for you to shift ground expecially when you've been raised in this inductrination. But the truth is the truth . Do a search The lords day was Sunday.

1[b] Corinthians 16:2[/b] (TLB)
2 [b]On every Lord's Day [/b]each of you should put aside something from what you have earned during the week, and use it for this offering. The amount depends on how much the Lord has helped you earn. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once.


This is just elementary bible truth. Do a study you will see that you've been taught wrongly. I just hope you have the liver to accept when you see it.



There's no Place like that in scriptures . They never forced anyone .

MuttleyLaff:
"Have *you* also so little understanding?" Jesus replied...
- Mark 7:18

Something very important, most people don't know note is that, Jesus never taught, never preached and most definitely never told anyone to keep the Sabbath

Isnt it strange that, God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) explicitly repeats almost all the ten commandments
but nowhere in scripture did He ever in clear, specific and direct language talk about keeping the sabbath
(i.e. God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) didnt ever talked about keeping the fourth commandment)

If keeping is very dear & important, why, isnt the fourth commandment, like other laws from the ten commandments, as shown below, explicitly talked about, preached, taught or commanded by God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ)

Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed
but just read below the response, when God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ)
was asked about how to obtain eternal life.

The surprising truth in all the response(s),
is that there is no Jesus command about keeping sabbath to obtain eternal life
and/or no Jesus mentioning keeping the sabbath to obtain eternal life.
Interesting responses, aren't they?

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#1 “You shall have no other gods before me.

No one is able to serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and he will love the other,
or he will be devoted to the one and he will despise the other.
You are not able to serve God and mammon
- Matthew 6:24 Berean Literal Bible (Jesus commanding)

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#2 You shall not make for yourself graven images or likenesses in the form of anything in heaven above
or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
and you shall not bow down to them or worship them

"Get out of here, Satan," Jesus told him.
"For the Scriptures say, 'You must worship the LORD your God and serve only him.'"
- Matthew 4:10 KJV (Jesus commanding)

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#3 You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain

³³"You have heard that it was said to your ancestors, 'Never break your oath, but give to the Lord what you swore in an oath to give him.'
³⁴But I tell you don't swear an oath at all. Don't swear an oath by heaven, which is God's throne,
³⁵or by the earth, which is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, which is the city of the great King.
³⁶And don't swear an oath by your head. After all, you cannot make one hair black or white.
³⁷Simply say yes or no. Anything more than that comes from the evil one.
- Matthew 5:33-37 (Jesus commanding)

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#4 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
You, your family and any stranger that is within thy gates
Six days you shall work, but the 7th day is the Sabbath

- God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) no where explicitly nor remotely commands this commandment

Unlike the other commandments from the Ten Commandment list, altogther nailed to the cross with the fourth commandment,
the fourth commandment is not taught or mentioned by Jesus to be kept
because Jesus knew that unlike the other commandments there was no intention of reintroducing the fourth commandment of keeping the sabbath

The New Testament too, just like Jesus, repeats the other commandments from the Ten Commandment list but doesnt explicit mention nor commands to keep the sabbath

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#5 Honor your father and mother

¹⁸“Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness,
¹⁹honor your father and mother and love your neighbor as yourself.’
- Matthew 19:18-19 (Jesus commanding)

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#6 You shall not murder

- “Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered,
“‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness
- Matthew 19:18 (Jesus commanding)

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#7 You shall not commit adultery

- “Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness,
- Matthew 19:18 (Jesus commanding)

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#8 You shall not steal

- “Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness
- Matthew 19:18 (Jesus commanding)

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#9 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor

- “Which ones?” the man asked.
Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness
- Matthew 19:18 (Jesus commanding)

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#10 You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife
or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey
or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

¹⁷After He had left the crowd and gone indoors, His disciples began to ask Him about this figure of speech.
¹⁸"Have *you* also so little understanding?" Jesus replied;
"do you not understand that anything whatever that enters a man from outside cannot make him unclean,
¹⁹because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and passes away ejected from him?"
By these words Jesus pronounced all kinds of food clean.
²⁰"What comes out of a man," He added, "that it is which makes him unclean.
²¹For from within, out of men's hearts, their evil purposes proceed—fornication, theft, murder, adultery,
²²covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, reviling, pride, reckless folly:
²³all these wicked things come out from within and make a man unclean''
- Mark 7:17-23 (Jesus said: listen to Me and understand)

and now you're out of a frying pan into the fire

But they were blinded in their understanding;
for until today whenever the Old Testament is read, that veil remains over them,
and it is not revealed that it is being abolished by The Messiah
- 2 Corinthians 3:14 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

As seen above, Jesus' commandments and similar commandments in the NT ARE ALMOST THE SAME as the 10 commandments

Jesus' commandments and similar commandments in the NT ARE the 10 commandments RELOADED, less one

All the commandments, except for the fourth commandment were restored or reinstated, after all the ten commandments were abolished.

The whole ten commandments after abolition were all, except for the fourth commandment, EXPLICITLY re-introduced, short this one and only commandment which for a very good and valid reason was left out

Whichever of two group of sabbatarians anyone is.
Whether an observer of Saturday as sabbath or an observer of Sunday as a sabbath,
you wont ever find in scriptures, Jesus nor the NT explicitly commanding to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath

Please my dear sister MZLady39 and brother Splinz, remember we will be judged by the law that sets us free and not by the Mosaic law
So, sister and brother, you therefore need to make it your habit to speak & act like people who are going to be judged by the law of liberty.

However, if you or Splinz, do have scriptures of Jesus or the NT explicitly commanding to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath,
please paste it here for all to read and to eat the humble pie
cc Goshen360, blueAgent, petra1, Ubenedictus, Oladimix, openmine

MuttleyLaff:




Exactly petra1, Jesus, is the Lord of the Sabbath.
He, as it were, is the Owner of the sabbath.
and as Owner of the sabbath, you dont hear Jesus saying: Keep the sabbath
Jesus never repeats the 4th commandment, the same way He explicitly repeats and commanded each of the other 9 commandments

So, yeah, it's not just about a specific day, and it has nothing to do with the fourth commandment
The law of liberty in Romans 14:5 is providing clear evidence that there is no specified day
Galatians 4:9-12 (i.e. New Living Translation) on the other hand, criticises this on grounds of going back to weak and worthless principles

GodsMopol:
The Sabbath is a thing man has total control over, the Sabbath is not in any way to be a dictator

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Well, argue with the verse.

Whether Sabbath or Sunday all that pleases God is fellowship

blueAgent:

Let them starting worshipping on monday.

petra1:



The early church worship on sundays which they called "The lords day" or first day of the week.

1 Corinthians 16:2
2 On the first day of each week, you should each put aside a portion of the money you have earned . . .

John received the book of revelation why worshiping on Sunday

Revelation 1:10
10 It was the Lord’s Day, and I was worshiping in the Spirit. Suddenly, I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet blast.

Jesus appeared to the disciples many times when they were gathered on Sunday's .

John 20:19
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

He appeared the following week during Sunday meeting

John 20:26
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Paul also talked about the needlessness of the sabbath worship

Colossians 2:16
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Philadelphia:


Why did Jesus say this then? "Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:"

blueAgent:




Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or
the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but fulfil.

Jesus said that till Heaven and Earth pass away one T or dot of the law would not pass away.


Since Jesus gave a command that only if Heaven and Earth would pass away for his Law to be abolished.he never said his death.
and since the death of JESUS Heaven and Earth is still standing ,so how did you and your church abolish the law? or are you saying JESUS is a lair.


The problem is that you believe the world you see.let me tell you. about 75% of the things in the world you see and believe in world history are all fake.

blueAgent:



Many verses in the new testament instructs us to observe,teach and establish the law,which law are they referring to?

Law of liberty or law of love. Please also ask them what is love?

petra1:

If we criticize Sunday service , we criticize the church and it's foundation And all the apostles put together. So why condemning Sunday worship

blueAgent:

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or
the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but fulfillJesus said that till Heaven and Earth pass away one T or dot of the law would not pass away.
Since Jesus gave a command that only if Heaven and Earth would pass away for his Law to be abolished.he never said his death.
and since the sabbath death of JESUS Heaven and Earth is still standing ,so how did you and your church abolish the law? or are you saying JESUS is a lair.

The problem is that you believe the world you see.let me tell you. about 75% of the things in the world you see and believe in world history are all fake

Splinz:


You lied! The Church is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets... (Ephesians 2:20), i.e, both on the teachings of New and Old Testament. Sunday worship is condemned because it was observe/taught no where in the Old Testament nor New.

Philadelphia:

Your first text has nothing to do with worship. Read it again.
Revelation 1:10 did not mention Sunday as the Lord's day.

Jesus said He is the Lord of the Sabbath. If the Sabbath is a day and Jesus is the Lord of that day, then the Lord's day is the Sabbath day.
.

petra1:


1 Corinthians 16:2 (MSG)
2 Every Sunday each of you make an offering and put it in safekeeping. Be as generous as you can. When I get there you'll have it ready, and I won't have to make a special appeal.

The apostles laid the foundation of Sunday worship

MuttleyLaff:


You are wasting your breath
He wouldn't recognise truth, even if truth walked up and bit him on the bum!

petra1:


The sabbath day law was shadow ,he was the reality and fulfillment. Case closed.

Mark 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath not Sunday. So then, there remains a Sabbath-rest for the people of God (Hebrews 4:9).

Case closed.

petra1:


This twisting is not selling at all . The lords day is Sunday ,first day of the week

1 Corinthians 16:2 (TLB)
2 On every Lord's Day each of you should put aside something from what you have earned during the week, and use it for this offering. The amount depends on how much the Lord has helped you earn. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once.





Yes the sabbath of Saturday was a shadow of christ . Christ is the real sabbath . He has come to give rest . This rest is not about a particular day of the weeek it's a life in us. When you come in to christ you've entered into sabbath. But the early church started to fellowship on Sundays even though God is no longer limited to a holy day.

Colossians 2:16 (KJV Strong's)
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sa
bbath days:

Romans 14:5 (KJV Strong's)
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.


So John in revelation 1 was making reference to the general knowledge of Sunday being the lords day.

petra1:


The sabbath day law was shadow ,he was the reality and fulfillment. Case closed.

Mark 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.


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Splinz:


It's really a sad reality bro. These people don't believe verses like the ones you've quoted above, nor the perpetual Sabbath SIGN between God's true people (Exodus 31:17). Could it be that I do not know the meaning of “perpetuity” or it was God that didn't know?

PS: It is written: “Satan deceives the whole world” (Rev. 12:9). Indeed! The only people freed from this deception are those “not of the world” (John 17:16). That the world worships on Sunday doesn't make pagan Sunday worship a day authorized by God, nor does it means they're right.

Philadelphia:
I have 2 questions for you:
1.) Are you a Christian (follower of Christ)? Then read this; Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
So, what is your argument again?

Philadelphia:
2.) Was Paul a Christian? Obvious yes. He was among the disciples who was seen in Antioch where the name "Christian" was used to describe the followers of Jesus. Read; Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
So, what is your argument again?

Philadelphia:
Why did Jesus say this then?
"Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:"