Eledan:


Stop wasting my time with your rubbish. books and materials are freely available, go and read.

ShootToKill:


[s]I frustrated your attempt to institute and concretize your yoruba lies with my painful truth right?[/s]

Akissani:
IPOB youths can lie o....who told you Ojukwu was senior to Gowon..Dey were of same ranks, and even if u want to talk of senior Gowon was superior to Ojukwu because back then, Gowon was the Chief Of Army Staff
#cheers#

winj3:
Aguiyi-ironsi's is one of the weakest, mediocre, incompetent, tribalistic and useless head of state to rule Nigeria. He really never ruled anyway.
His weakness and tribalism led to the civil war, Nigeria should erase this m0rons from its history!

Hoodfriend:
And his intention was to turn a country of over 150000000. people to a Unitary state.

ItsMeAboki:


He abolished the regional system, including resource control, in order to selfishly concentrate and consolidate power centrally to himself and his Igbo kinsmen - never imagining northerners could fight back.

Southerners, particularly from the SS & SE complaining and clamouring for restructuring and resource control should not forget that the bane of the their present woes started from one of their own and not from the north.

Students of history would also tell you that: the selective killings of northern leaders and army officers in the Igbo led 1966 coup, Ironsi's failure to take action against the coup plotters, dissolution and unification of the former regions by decree 34 under a unitary system (the basic structure we have inherited till today) and Igbos public celebration, taunting and mocking of northerners over the brutal cold murder their leaders (the Sardauna, Balewa & co) in Jan 1966 Igbo coup, were together a culmination of the factors that led to the counter coup, the July 1966 northern riots and reprisal killings of Igbos, and ultimately the civil war in which even more Igbos died.

In short; Igbos opened the Pandora's box and are the root course of all our wahala today.

back2sender:

Thats not true.
This man started the Nigeria wahala, he started ethnic bigotry in Nigeria with his actions during the coup

gartamanta:




How could Ironsi have abolished or dissolved the Regions when all 4 Regions were existing even after he died?

winj3:


You nailed it, no one can put it better than you!

1 million votes, shares and likes for you if I can.

ItsMeAboki:


You are obviously in denial, even in the face of the evidence (uploaded newspaper headlines and citing of the instrument i.e. decree 34) which he used to dissolve the regions.

nnamdi1998:
I disagree First and foremost, Aguiyi Ironsi did not take part in the Coup. He had no idea there was a coup until he got the wind of it. The five Junior Officers otherwise known as The Five Majors with ImNzeogwu as their ring leader also wanted to kill Ironsi as he had killed other officers from other tribefortunately Ironsi got wind of the Coup and botched the Coup, assumed power and decreed a Unitary Constitution. What made the North angry was that after the Coup was botched Ironsi did not Court Martial the Plotters of the Coup instead the Northerners claimed he promoted the Coup Plotters. Ironsi tried to pacify the North by offering the some Northern officers key position in his office and he released some officers who had been thrown in Prison by the Five Majors.. The Northern Officers - humiliated did not care and those released from Prison planned a way to carry out a Counter Coup which was carried out in July 1966.. A very bloody Coup. The Northerners saw the January 15 Coup as an 'Igbo Coup' but in reality Nzeogwu the ring leader of those that carried out the Coup was just an Igbo in paper. Spoke Hausa fluently, dressed like an Hausa when he was not on Uniform had lot of Hausa friends.
Let this be known: Ironsi did not partake in the coup he just got the wind of it as he too would have been killed..
When the Northerners staged a Counter Coup Igbo Officers were killed in hundreds including Ironsi The Northern Officers demanded that Gowon be made Head of State although he was not the most superior officer, a Yoruba Officer - Ogundipe was but the North rejected him and made Gowon Head of State.
After the Coup, Progroms were going on in Major cities in Nigeria, Northerner killed the Igbos and the Yoruba's jeered were the Igbos.. Ojukwu, the Military Governor of Eastern Nigeria alerted Gowon. Gowon promised an end to the Progroms but it did not stop it only got worse... Ojukwu, seeing that the safety of the Igbos could not be assured declared the state of Biafra.. The rest is history
One can clearly see that the wounds of days preceding the war and after the war are yet to be healed. That's why when I see tribes insulting each other I kind of feel sorry for them..
To understand the Nigeria 'story' better, read 'There Was A Country' by Chinua Achebe and 'Why we struck' by Adewale Ademoyega(A military personnel)

ouzo1:




Oh!! So nw major general na vigilante head??

gartamanta:


The so called 'Newspaper headline' can be made by anyone with a good computer and the right software. Even I could this. Since none of us can go back 50 years in time to verify the News Headline, there is a much easier way. There are people who were arond 50 years ago. Ask any of them these two questions.


How is it possible that Ironsi abolished or dissolved the regions if the 4 Regions were still existing after he died? Ironsi died in July 1966 but the Military Governors of all 4 Regions met with Gowon in Aburi Ghana in January 1967. How is it that Ironsi abolished the Regions in 1966 but they still existed in 1967, long after he was dead?
Second thing I need to know . If Ironsi dissolved the 4 Regions, what did he replace them with?
Flashing new whixh is too old to be verified is not good enough, answer questions

Omoluabi16:
okay.you got your power back eh? then why did you go one killing igbo's in the north back then? may 66' and immediately after ironsi's murder you slaughtered igbo's for no just cause. Nzeogwu and co killed only igbo' officers, but you cowards were killing civilians in the northern region as revenge. This ultimately led to the civil war in which more igbo's were massacred, raped and dehumanized. The first coup wasn't an igbo coup as widely reported, but was a national one. Wasn't ademoyega involved? wasn't abacha involved? the was widespread corruption then.
the second coup wasn't for national interest. it was strictly ethnic..strictly a coup to get back 'our power'. tell me any yoruba or southerner that participate in the second coup? You know nothing.

ItsMeAboki:



You are trying to be clever by half and ending up achieving none.

In this modern age of internet and search engines (when you can do your own independent research); all you need to do is google up any information for verification - its as simple as that; in this case e.g. Ironsi, decree 34 of May 24 1966 etc.

Ironsi replaced the regions with provinces but obviously didn't live long enough to fully implement them - he nonetheless was responsible for dismantling the autonomous regions and ushering in the unitary central government we have inherited today.
Note, if even as at today, 51 years later, we still using the old regional nomenclature in our everyday language - what would you have expected merely a year later (as at 1967)?

BTW, my father and uncles were all living adult witnesses throughout the above period and had fully versed me on their experiences

gartamanta:


I have read decree 34 of 1966 which Ironsi introduced. There are things Ironsi did and things he did not do. Coming up with lies about the man is fruitless.

Ironsi did not abolish the Regions. The 4 Regions (The North, East, West and Midwest) were existing even a year after Ironsi's death and all 4 were practicing resource control.

Ironsi did not create any 'province'. If you know the name of any province he created, say it

Decree 34 only centralised Government, it did not dismantle the 4 Regions

It was Gowon that came in and abolished the 4 Regions and created 12 unitary states which later grew to 19 and later to 36 which we have today

Had Gowon left the 4 Regions the way Ironsi did, Nigeria would have been a federation of 4 Regions today, each practicing fully resouce control.

This lie that Ironsi abolished the 4 Regions should stop

THE FEDERAL MILITARY GOVERNMENT hereby decrees as follows:

Subject to the provisions of this Decree, Nigeria shall on 24th May 1966 (in this decree referred to as ‘the appointed day’) cease to be a Federation and shall accordingly as from that day be a Republic, by the name of the Republic of Nigeria, consisting of the whole of the territory which immediately before that day was comprised in the Federation.
2.

As from the appointed day—
the Federal Military Government and the Federal Executive Council shall be known respectively as the National Military Government and The Executive Council;
the Federal territory shall be known as the Capital territory;
the provinces, including Kaduna capital territory, in schedule 1 of this Decree which immediately before the appointed day were respectively comprised in Northern Nigeria, Eastern Nigeria, Western Nigeria and Mid-Western Nigeria shall be known respectively as the Northern group of Provinces, the Eastern group of Provinces, the Western group of Provinces and the Mid-Western group of Provinces;
for the purpose of administration each group of provinces shall subject to the authority of the Head of the National Military Government, be under the general direction and control of a Military Governor appointed by the Head of the National Military Government;
Act No. 20 of 1963 (that is to say the Constitution of the Federation) may be cited as the Constitution of the Republic.
- https://dawodu.com/decree34.htm

wirinet:

What do you mean by decree 34 only centralized government, it did not abolish the regions? The statement is a paradox. It is either power is centralized at the centre or devolved to the regions, it cannot be both ways. Decree 34 converted the regions to States under a centralized government. That was why Gowon was able to divide the states further to 12.
Are you saying that decree 34 allowed the States to run their own regional governments with premiers and houses of assembly?

Whether you attempt to revise history or not, General Ironsi abolished regional governments in Nigeria.

gartamanta:


The statement is in no way a paradox. Ironsi met 4 Regions, he left 4 Regions. If people said that Ironsi changed the way the 4 Regions operated then thats a fair comment, but to say that Ironsi abolished and dissolved the Regions is bare faced lie.

As I said before, Ironsi met 4 Regions, he left 4 Regions. Gowon met 4 Regions, he left 12 states.

So who do you think abolished the Regions between Ironsi and Gowon?

wirinet:

You are wrong on all levels. Even though you rely on semantics to absolve Ironsi of destroying Nigeria's regional structure, you are still wrong semantically.
Ironsi met 4 semi autonomous regions , he left 4 unitary provinces .
Gowon met 4 unitary provinces and left 12 unitary states .
So who destroyed our semi autonomous regions?

gartamanta:


I have read decree 34 of 1966 which Ironsi introduced. There are things Ironsi did and things he did not do. Coming up with lies about the man is fruitless.

Ironsi did not abolish the Regions. The 4 Regions (The North, East, West and Midwest) were existing even a year after Ironsi's death and all 4 were practicing resource control.

Ironsi did not create any 'province'. If you know the name of any province he created, say it

Decree 34 only centralised Government, it did not dismantle the 4 Regions

It was Gowon that came in and abolished the 4 Regions and created 12 unitary states which later grew to 19 and later to 36 which we have today

Had Gowon left the 4 Regions the way Ironsi did, Nigeria would have been a federation of 4 Regions today, each practicing full resouce control.

This lie that Ironsi abolished the 4 Regions should stop

ItsMeAboki:
I do not want to believe you actually read decree 34 because if you did then you must have read it blindly without comprehension.
As already mentioned, he replaced the old regions with provinces as per para 2 subsection 1c of the decree as follows:

the provinces, including Kaduna capital territory, in schedule 1 of this Decree which immediately before the appointed day were respectively comprised in Northern Nigeria, Eastern Nigeria, Western Nigeria and Mid-Western Nigeria shall be known respectively as the Northern group of Provinces, the Eastern group of Provinces, the Western group of Provinces and the Mid-Western group of Provinces;
https://dawodu.com/decree34.htm

Pls stop lying in the face of clear cut evidence.

I am glad to note you at least conceded to the fact that decree 34 centralised the government; pls then tell me what this effect would have had with regards to the autonomy of the the formers regions - who hitherto didn't have to take orders from the central government?

Deny as much as you like; however, your views alone cannot rewrite history and the fact that Ironsi abolished the regions and was responsible for the unitary system of government we have inherited till today along with all its ills.

ItsMeAboki:


I do not want to believe you actually read decree 34 because if you did then you must have read it blindly without comprehension.
As already mentioned, he replaced the old regions with provinces as per para 2 subsection 1c of the decree as follows:

the provinces, including Kaduna capital territory, in schedule 1 of this Decree which immediately before the appointed day were respectively comprised in Northern Nigeria, Eastern Nigeria, Western Nigeria and Mid-Western Nigeria shall be known respectively as the Northern group of Provinces, the Eastern group of Provinces, the Western group of Provinces and the Mid-Western group of Provinces;
https://dawodu.com/decree34.htm

Pls stop lying in the face of clear cut evidence.

I am glad to note you at least conceded to the fact that decree 34 centralised the government; pls then tell me what this effect would have had with regards to the autonomy of the the formers regions - who hitherto didn't have to take orders from the central government?

Deny as much as you like; however, your views alone cannot rewrite history and the fact that Ironsi abolished the regions and was responsible for the unitary system of government we have inherited till today along with all its ills.

laudate:


Wow! That gartamanta guy you quoted, shot himself in the foot! Thanks for educating the clueless ones!

gartamanta:


Sorry bro but you have no point. Before decree 34, each of the 4 Regions were comprised of provinces. In effect, each Region was a 'group of provinces'. The Eastern Region was comprised of 20 provinces such as Aba Province. So what is the big deal with what you sited? The change of name?

ItsMeAboki:


Pls stop behaving like a dunce; yes there were provinces then; Ironsi quite clearly replaced the regions (consisting of the provinces) and renamed them as GROUP of PROVINCES along with loss of their hitherto autonomy by making them more answerable to the central government - can't you read?

He furthermore dismantled the regional civil service and unified them as a single entity under the central government (FG) - a move which was designed to favour the Igbos, who then dominated the civil service.

Abeg go park one side; you cannot rewrite history.

ItsMeAboki:


He abolished the regional system, including resource control, in order to selfishly concentrate and consolidate power centrally to himself and his Igbo kinsmen - never imagining northerners could fight back.

Southerners, particularly from the SS & SE complaining and clamouring for restructuring and resource control should not forget that the bane of the their present woes started from one of their own and not from the north.

Students of history would also tell you that: the selective killings of northern leaders and army officers in the Igbo led 1966 coup, Ironsi's failure to take action against the coup plotters, dissolution and unification of the former regions by decree 34 under a unitary system (the basic structure we have inherited till today) and Igbos public celebration, taunting and mocking of northerners over the brutal cold murder their leaders (the Sardauna, Balewa & co) in Jan 1966 Igbo coup, were together a culmination of the factors that led to the counter coup, the July 1966 northern riots and reprisal killings of Igbos, and ultimately the civil war in which even more Igbos died.

In short; Igbos opened the Pandora's box and are the root course of all our wahala today.

SIRTee15:


Read this and cure yourself of lies......
This is from ironsi’s wife herself......
Account of live witnesses who saw exactly what happened.....

https://www.nairaland.com/3256284/victoria-aguiyi-ironsi-speaks-50th-year