DoctorAlien:
Surely you're not proud of the bloody history of the Catholic church, neither can you be proud of the content of the link below:

www.nairaland.com/3555177/shocking-jesuit-oath

Omudia11:
This is the problem with Christianity. You should be proud to be a christian, not proud to be a Catholic. Do you think the catholic church can save you? No! The catholic church isn't the way, only Jesus is the way.

That being said, you are highly erroneous in all that you stated up there.

You people keep statues and bow to them. There is no single Pentecostal Church I have been to where I have seen the picture of the pastor and/or his wife within or outside the church premises. You can only see the picture of the pastor and his wife on the billboard or signboard outside the church, and even at that no one bows down to them or kiss or worship them.

Anyone who condemns the use of water in prayer or in healings isn't even a christian. After all in the bible water, saliva, sand, apostle Paul's apron, stick etc were used to heal the sick.

Anointing oils are prescribed for prayer in the bible. Can't remember the verse now.

Counselling isn't the same as confession sir. And moreover you Catholics believe that your Reverend father has the power to forgive. We don't. Only Christ Jesus has the power to forgive.

Hello, incense is very demonic and this isn't negotiable. Who told you we don't kneel to pray?

Douglaufuoma:
go through your work again and try to read in between the lines. who lay down the calendar of Christianity, how do you know Easter is arounder the Conner or Christmas is coming, who founded the roman Catholic church, why is it that they have the highest worshippers despite so much critics and blackmailing from people like you?. my dear don't allow hatred blind your sense of reasoning

Douglaufuoma:
who owns the picture in the signpost of your church. if you run advert who do you people place there. differentiate counselling and confession for me, if not that you report the wrong doing to the clergy and he return advise and pray for you. who is the founder of your church, who are the elders of your church, what their function. go through the circle of your denomination then come and let's talk

Omudia11:
You have no case here. The catholic has the worst history so just you know. The early catholic carried out killings, beheadings, dropping of people in boiling oils and water. You should focus on those and leave the Pentecostal Church out of this.

luckyCO:

All festivals you mentioned are by far Christian celebration. They are pagan feast moved or changed to be christian feasts.
Christ gave us one feast to celebrate. That is celebration for his death till he comes(communion).

If you still fill your ego that catholic did this and this that by so anything coming from rome must be coreect,then it is not good.

In heaven or heavenly people dont take pride in what they do,and they keep on learning everyday. They dont defend correct critics and Catholic is large and you know large crowd attract everybody's attention. So dont be angry when people speak against catholic faith and believe.

On the number,clay is in abudnace than gold, also for conception to take place,there are over 50million potential human beings but only one will make it to uterus others dead. So number is not part of it. If you are teaching correct things bad people will run away from you and good people are very few who will stand with you at last.


Morever, nobody can change roman church system but you can preach to a member and he/she will understand doctrinal mistakes and aviod them. So also to all Pentecostals who comdemn cath church and commits the same mistakes in their pentecostal way. And it is bad to use mistakes from pentecostals to encourage yourself since nobody is an image God wants us to look like but Christ.

So comparism should between Christ and ur church since no church name is ever written in heaven.

btoks:

There's an old saying that goes - you don't throw away the baby with the bath water.

Granted, there have been sinners in the Catholic church that committed grave sins(the actual details are debatable by the way).
Do we forget all the marvellous things the Catholic Church has done because of sinner's' activities??. E.g. safeguarding christian tradition, the canonisation of the bible, definition of the trinity, the Nicean creed, the definition of the nature of Jesus Christ, the gregorian calendar , influential in forming the earliest schools and universities, the largest charity outside governments, keeping moral beliefs in the face of opposition (against abortion, contraception, gay marriage ). I can keep going, just too many.

btoks:

There's an old saying that goes - you don't throw away the baby with the bath water.

Granted, there have been sinners in the Catholic church that committed grave sins(the actual details are debatable by the way).
Do we forget all the marvellous things the Catholic Church has done because of sinner's' activities??. E.g. safeguarding christian tradition, the canonisation of the bible, definition of the trinity, the Nicean creed, the definition of the nature of Jesus Christ, the gregorian calendar , influential in forming the earliest schools and universities, the largest charity outside governments, keeping moral beliefs in the face of opposition (against abortion, contraception, gay marriage ). I can keep going, just too many.

Douglaufuoma:
go through your work again and try to read in between the lines. who lay down the calendar of Christianity, how do you know Easter is arounder the Conner or Christmas is coming, who founded the roman Catholic church, why is it that they have the highest worshippers despite so much critics and blackmailing from people like you?. my dear don't allow hatred blind your sense of reasoning

Douglaufuoma:
which of the doctrine mistake are you talking about. which of the denomination lay more emphasis on repentance like catholic. I love your mode of communication and your matured responses I must confess. enlightenment me more on the wrong doctrine which the Anglicans has not talk on before and now they are begging to come back, or the one others saw and they ran away just for them to melt back. which of them are you talking of

Omudia11:
I am not telling you there has been some sinners in the catholic church. There are sinners in every sect. I'm saying that catholism itself has bad roots. Catholism as a state religion made killing the then "true followers of Christ" legal. Infact, anyone who opposed or had a different belief other than their was killed. They made it legal.

The difference here is that that was never the case with Pentecostalism. There are bad pastors/apostles too but Pentecostalism never condoned such inhumane acts.

The bolded is largely irrelevant. If the catholics didn't do those, God would have raised up other people to do them. So catholics shouldn't feel superior over other Christians because of those as they play no part in the heavenly race.

btoks:


It's a shame that you feel the Catholic Church has bad roots and killed the true followers of Jesus!
You still dont think that there is difference Catholic Church and Roman Catholic Church. Catholic Church is universal body of Christ but Roman Catholic is a version of Catholic Church controlled by rome. You hear anglican say they are Catholic. Catholic Church was formed formed in Isreal while Roman Cath was formed in Rome as world power then

So Jesus lied when he said the gates of hell shall not prevail against his church? Who are the true followers of Christ that were killed by the CC?
The church here is knowledge of whom Christ is. Devil cant prevail against it since Jesus has overcome the world. It does not mean roman system.

If you're referring to the 12th century, Heresy was a crime against the state ( much like terrorism these days) and this had to be dealt with. Granted, there were excesses on some occasions by sinners - this doesn't mean there wasnt one church and one faith.
History is there. One of the most secrete and guarded place in the world is roman cath library. One cardinal was sanctioned because he revealed one.

If you're referring to the early christians, are you aware that it was members of the early church ( which was called Catholic ) that was persecuted by the Roman government?
Yes,it was Cath Church that was killed by Rome and later rome mixed with Catholic Church that came ftom isreal to form Roman Cath Church, persecution stopped because devil has gotten what he wants.

So you believe in the bible that was canonised by this same church with bad roots?!!
God used Egypt to save Jesus Christ but it because they have the security,but doest it mean spiritually egypt is holy?

You said the list of marvellous things done by the CC could have been by someone else. The fact is they were done by the CC - nothing else happened so no speculation is required.
ok
The CC isn't saying it's superior, it goes without saying that only one church was established by Jesus. Every other church broke away from it.until this day that church still wields the authority it has always
had
You dont need to echo your priest,Jesus didnt form any church but he established the way of life to God. That way of life is Universal n application amongst nations, and that way of has recieved another mixture and renamed to rcc, anglican,lutheran,pentecostal, sabath etc. In the begining we have only one assembly of belivers and her constitution is bible,Headquater is Heaven,GO is Holy Ghost,Head is Christ,workers there are equal,full of love and Holy ghost and they are apostles,prophets,evangelist,pastor and teacher to recieve instructions from her head and execute to maintain order amongst the believers
.

Omudia11:
You have no case here. The catholic has the worst history so just you know. The early catholic carried out killings, beheadings, dropping of people in boiling oils and water. You should focus on those and leave the Pentecostal Church out of this.

Omudia11:
I am not telling you there has been some sinners in the catholic church. There are sinners in every sect. I'm saying that catholism itself has bad roots. Catholism as a state religion made killing the then "true followers of Christ" legal. Infact, anyone who opposed or had a different belief other than their was killed. They made it legal.

The difference here is that that was never the case with Pentecostalism. There are bad pastors/apostles too but Pentecostalism never condoned such inhumane acts.

The bolded is largely irrelevant. If the catholics didn't do those, God would have raised up other people to do them. So catholics shouldn't feel superior over other Christians because of those as they play no part in the heavenly race.

Ubenedictus:
Actually catholicism was not involved in killing d true followers of christ that is the work of protestants and pagans.

Ubenedictus:
Ur protestant churches have killing, drowning, burning, etc. nobody has a monopoly on sins and violence.

lacum:
From esperience Penticostals say nand believe egative things against the Catholic Church because their Pastors taught them to do so. If you see how these pastors talk negatively about the Church to their congregations you will marvel at the height of hatred they have for her. This have been going on since the days of Martin Luther. they think that by telling them those things(because they know they are capable of turning their mind against the Church since their members see them as gods) But the Church have always remained strong till today. Its unfortunate they have the wrong ideas about the Church thanks to their Pastors. The worst is that even on the internet they have tried to change history so that people no more can know the real truth but I always believe that anyone looking to know the truth about the Church will not go to a penticostal an anti Catholic site but will study real Catholic literatures and seek answers from learned Catholics. That is why i hardly argue with them because i know that if you want to learn about the Church you will ask questions like one who wants to learn and not one who needs argument. So brethren if yoi have any question bothering you, please go to the thread for Catolics on Nairaland and your questions will be answered. thanks

Omudia11:
The Protestant church was not in existence then. The catholic church was the only church in existence. Know your history.

Ubenedictus:
And when the protestant churches came in the 16th century they did the exact same thing the drowned and beheaded, burnt and killed those they disagreed with both catholics and and protestant.

you can go and learn history, nobody has a monopoly of violence.

Omudia11:
I'm giving you facts and you're giving me concocted unverifiable stuff. Look, never in history was it recorded that the Pentecostal Church came together to enact laws which legalized killings, beheadings etc of others. It was and will remain only the catholic church..

Keep siding evil, the good thing is you can never change history.

Ubenedictus:
U really need to read up ur history esp d laws ur protestant guy made, ask d anabaptist.

Raphael81:


He should read well on France, it will help him expand his horizon, he should read well on England too, but the real issue is that christians must come together to fulfill the words of Christ by spreading the gospel instead of engaging in digging painful and divisive history...

Ubenedictus:
I find no joy in reharsing painful, tragic and brutal events, but some protestants like to claim protestants and their church killed no one while pointing the finger at others.

Raphael81:


We must work together for christian unity