Chysler:
Ika Pple are igbos... Dt they borrowed certain words from thr close by Edo neighbours is normal and beside history has it dt many Bini Pple flee Bini land during harsh conditions from its monarch thrones... Many of them dt settled in ika land as history has it are the highest conveyors o Bini cultures and languages dt rubbed off on ika Pple, There is no way Bini Pple dt has strong cultural and historical background can migrate to ika land and lost their language and names and become igbonised by a more weaker igbos at the fringe borders with Edo land... It shld have been the other way round because one, Igbo is very hard to learn compare to other languages, two, the close proximity of Bini to ikaland would have ensured majority of what ika Pple speak today to be purely Bini or Edo language with stints of Igbo but today reverse is the case..... This simply showed dt igboland extends clearly across the Niger in a continuum till the borders of Edo state and the miniority Bini descendant Pple in ika land are notin but migrants and asylum seekers from ancient Bini empire... Ikas are aborigines of present ika land and a igboland and dialect continuum...

For the claims by ika igbo pple and being screamed loudest by ika bini Pple dt all ika Pple come from Bini kingdom is notin but laughable becos even in Onitsha dt are igbos still trace their origin from Bini... It doesn't mean dt majority of the aborigines of those lands are Bini Pple no!... The simple explanation why Pple like tracing Thr origin from Bini is becos of the unarguably great influence Bini wielded in its time both within and outside it direct territorial influence...Pple naturally like associating with greatness and exploits such as Bini kingdom had in its time... Another explanation is that yes there are real Bini migrants in those lands outside Bini kingdom, this Pple as said b4 are Pple who flee the harsh conditions in the kingdom or Pple who are banished and seeked asylums in those foreign lands and in most cases they introduced Bini styled monarchy in these their land of migration and subsequently other aborigines of this land join in saying they came from Bini after many years!

What do you mean by a more weaker Igbo? what do you mean by Igbo being to difficult to learn? what do you mean by Ika Edo people and Ika Bini people? what do you mean by Ika people and Bini people? your comment doesn't make any sense at all

Afam4eva:

You see what i'm saying. You can't have a tribe and not have people like Chino or Abagworo. they must always exist. There's no proof whatsoever to know whether or not these people are Igbo but we have to accept who they say they are but we definitely cannot put a sensitive thing in their hands lest they destroy us.

Since you said so, let me mind my business but I'm sure of what I was saying. Abagworo is Igbo who's so much in love with APC. But Chino case is totally different.

If I may ask, who was the then Omojie of 2009/2010 because there's a coincidence.

gerg:
What do you mean by a more weaker Igbo? what do you mean by Igbo being to difficult to learn? what do you mean by Ika Edo people and Ika Bini people? what do you mean by Ika people and Bini people? your comment doesn't make any sense at all

Don't worry I will give you a reference dictionary for clearer understanding...

Weaker Igbo... This is not to say their Igbo is inferior to other Igbo dialect..no no no! Infact their dialect is closer to central Igbo than some igbo dialects find in the east e.g ezza... I used the term "weaker Igbo" to connote the variations and changes that the dialect have evolved into away from its parents source which is central Igbo..this is possible becos in a language continuum , words are borrowed, intonation changes and pronouciations differs and this is how dialects are born.. So the bone of contention in dt usage is just comparison btw the ika Igbo dialects and its parents source of east!

Igbo difficult to learn... I must be asking you about this cos u as a non Igbo is in a better position to answer dt since most non igbo Pple asked betwn the three major languages which are most difficult to learn always come up with the answer as Igbo. Wether they are doing that with sheer malicious intents and hatred for igbos is their problem but personally to me I believe Igbo is difficult for non igbos simply because of our many words for one thing or one words dt has many different meaning depending on the context is being applied to.. Many non igbos who told me they tried learning Igbo complained mostly of this , another thing they complained about is our man double consonant alphabets that makes proper pronunciation difficult...

Ika Bini... Ika Pple with Bini ancestry... Usually very visible thru their surnames or in some cases language like oza-ngogo pple

Ika people.. Ika people in general wether ika with Igbo ancestry or ika with Bini ancestry...

Bini people...hian! Bini Pple na!

Anyway I made great points in that post which u are finding it hard to swallow... U couldn't find any straw to hold on and push ur blind argument n resorted in asking for dictionary for terms used...anywea now u have it!

Chysler:


Don't worry I will give you a reference dictionary for clearer understanding...

Weaker Igbo... This is not to say their Igbo is inferior to other Igbo dialect..no no no! Infact their dialect is closer to central Igbo than some igbo dialects find in the east e.g ezza... I used the term "weaker Igbo" to connote the variations and changes that the dialect have evolved into away from its parents source which is central Igbo..this is possible becos in a language continuum , words are borrowed, intonation changes and pronouciations differs and this is how dialects are born.. So the bone of contention in dt usage is just comparison btw the ika Igbo dialects and its parents source of east!

Igbo difficult to learn... I must be asking you about this cos u as a non Igbo is in a better position to answer dt since most non igbo Pple asked betwn the three major languages which are most difficult to learn always come up with the answer as Igbo. Wether they are doing that with sheer malicious intents and hatred for igbos is their problem but personally to me I believe Igbo is difficult for non igbos simply because of our many words for one thing or one words dt has many different meaning depending on the context is being applied to.. Many non igbos who told me they tried learning Igbo complained mostly of this , another thing they complained about is our man double consonant alphabets that makes proper pronunciation difficult...

Ika Bini... Ika Pple with Bini ancestry... Usually very visible thru their surnames or in some cases language like oza-ngogo pple

Ika people.. Ika people in general wether ika with Igbo ancestry or ika with Bini ancestry...

Bini people...hian! Bini Pple na!

Anyway I made great points in that post which u are finding it hard to swallow... U couldn't find any straw to hold on and push ur blind argument n resorted in asking for dictionary for terms used...anywea now u have it!

If you think a non Igbo is in the best possible to tell you if Igbo is a hard language or not (compared to Bini?). I as an Ika man is not the best person to ask because I have a high understanding of how both languages work. but in my opinion, Bini is a more difficult language than Igbo. I know a thing or two about the Phonetics, phonology, syntax, morphology, semantics and pragmatics. In my quest to have better understanding of Ika language, I found out that Ika language is rooted in two languages, that is Igbo and Bini that's how I did a little research in both languages. A present day Ika man is born to automatically understand more Igbo than Bini, in the course of my little quest, I found too many similarities in many aspects of Bini and Ika languages. I also found too many similarities in Ika Igbo, and even Igbo and Bini. But all aspects of Ika languages lies between the two languages. I have seen some people talk how Ika adopted Ika adopted Bini intonation, inflection and accents. This is very laughable. Intonation, inflection and accents don't change easily. but word meanings can easily be influence that's why no matter how educated a Calabar man is, he speak English with Calabar accents.

And If Ika is Ika people generally, why the differentiation between Ika Bini and Ika people?

RedboneSmith:
I,actually chuckle when I see people think Ika can be divided into two camps - those with Bini surnames who came from Benin and those with Igbo surnames who came from Igboland. Only someone with no in-depth firsthand experience of Anioma will think like that. In the old days one Owa man named Osagie or Adigwe may have two children, and call one Morka (Igboid) and the other Irabor (Edoid). Morka's descendants will use Morka as surname, and Irabor's descendants will use Irabor as surname.

Then one uninformed man from the east will come and say the Irabors immigrated from Benin and the Morkas were the Igbo aboriginals. Meanwhile the Irabors and the Morkas are children of one great-grandfather.

Well this is partially correct. In the past, surnames (afa nna) were foreign in Igboland. Children were often identified by their mother's names instead especially in polygamous families where a man had several wives and so many children. It thus became easier for the man to identify his child by the wife who bore him/her. Thus Ahanna son of the third wife, Mgbafor, would be addressed as or introduce himself as Ahanna nwa Mgbafor and Chimdike son of second wife, Nnedi, would be addressed as Chimdike Nnedi. Till date, descendants of the same father/umunna (kindred) but different mothers form their own meetings as their own close-related unit. Surname/last name (afa nna) came with British civilization and Igbos had to adopt their father's names (often first names, as surnames did not exist prior) as their surnames.

Why am I saying this? Because even though Bini settlers settled in Ika land and adopted the Ika speech form, many held on to their Bini names (first names presumably) in connection to their roots and come British civilization, their descendants picked those names as their surnames. Yes, there are chances that a few Igbo aborigines may have wanted to give their children Bini names before the coming of the British, which later stuck as surname but my guess would be majority maintained Ika/Igbo first names and the chances of your Morka and Irabor example happening would not be as frequent as I would think. Settlers in a new area do not heavily influence naming patterns/customs in such manner except there is a major language shift that occurs within a generation or two. I would expect your Morka-Irabor example to feature more consistently instead with assimilated Bini settlers combining their adopted Ika culture and ancestral Bini culture.

Next time reply to me directly instead of leaving side remarks. Thanks.

Cire80:
Your comments always smirk of Ignorance and should I say conspiracy theory? You don't know know anything about Ika so please stop commenting on Ika. Saying that there are Igbo aborigines in Ika before the Bini migrants is a conspiracy theory because history didn't record it and you don't have any proof to back it up. And for the last time, there is no disparity between Ikas bearing Igbo surnames and those bearing Ika surnames. Anybody gives any names that he likes in Ika. There's no type of naming convention. About half a century ago, 40% of Ikas bear pure Edo surname, 20% Igbo, about 10% Igboid Ika names, 20% Edoid Ika names, 10% Igboid/Edoid Ika names and about 10% purely indigenous names without any Edo Igbo influence. If we were to go by your logic of Edo surname bearing Ikas being of Edo origin and Igbo surname bearing Ika Igbo origin, then Edo descendants are on the majority as against your postulations of Edo being later minority migrants into Ika land.

There's a post I was following on Facebook which by the title (Ika Trail blazers in the last hundred years and I was marveled how 80%of the elites listed there all have Edo surnames.

@bold...isn't it interesting how you claimed there is no proof of Igbo aborigines settling first in Ika land but yet went on to make a claim about the percentages of Edo names in Ika land half a century ago without providing your proof of it? Wait, what does that make you?

Is it not funny how you want us to believe that Binis settled in Ika land first, but lost their language to Igbo because of the 'heavy migration' of Igbo traders into Ika land and Igbos changed their language, their names, their town names etc. from 'Edoid' to 'Igboid' without any proof whatsoever for this even though Igbo as a tribe did not exist many years ago, but not the chances of Bini migration and assimilation into Ika/Igbo land?

Here is something to the effect of Igbo settlement in Ika land before Bini settlers came in, as confirmed by Pa Iduwe an Ika historian.

http://people.bu.edu/manfredi/Iduuwe.History.pdf

Of course, I am sure cire80 would reject this beautiful piece of history because it does not corroborate what he wants to hear - Ikas are of Bini ancestry influenced by Igbo traders and Igbo language.

Oru asu Ika, Igbo asu Ika, a common Ika sentence.

In Ukwuani, they say Ezi ukwu ada aki Igbo.

More from Pa Iduuwe's book.

Please forgive my underlining skills...

Cire80:
To me, Ukwani have more in common with Urhobo than Bini. Though Urhobo is Edoid but there are so many intermigration between Ukwani and Urhobo and I think that's where all the influence came from. In my opinion, Ukwani speak Ika and Igbo with Urhobo accent. And Ukwanis are so much like the Urhobos in behavior and many other things.

The Ukwuani town with relations with Urhobo is the Orogun community who are bilingual in Ukwuani and Urhobo.

Cire80:
Where did you get it that the first five kings of Agbor had Igbo names? Paste it here for all to see. And Ebonka is not an Igbo name. No part of Igboland answers Ebon and Ebon is a Bini name.

Dude research well before you make claims. Ebo is an Igbo word which means 'clan' or 'tribe'. Although becoming archaic, some Igbos of SE bear that as their part of their names. There is a popular phrase often used in Igbo Christian songs, 'Odum Ebo Judea' meaning Lion of the Tribe of Judea. Ebon used in Ika is simply the nasalization of 'Ebo' with the nasal 'n' sound coming out at the end.

Ebo seems to be an archaic Igbo name for 'tribe'. A modern word now in usage is 'mba'.

I've noticed that Ika retained many ancient Igbo words which are not popularly used in mainstream Igbo language today. For example is 'mgba' which is an ancient Igbo word for 'female' or 'woman'. In the past, names like Mgba afo, Mgba eke, Mgba oye etc. (referring to women born on either afo, eke, or oye day etc.) were common but today are no longer common. Whereas, Mgbaeke has stuck for some reason but is used negatively nowadays to refer to an ugly girl or a girl from the village. Okeke, Okoafo, Okoye/Okorie and Okonkwo would be the male equivalents.

Just found out from somebody now that the meaning of Ogbemudia, the man maternally from Igbanke responsible for the inclusion of Igbanke, an Ika speaking area, in Edo state is Ogbenmudein or Ogbe umu dee (in standard Igbo) meaning the quarter of the chief people/chief making people or clan. Co-incidentally, a village in Agbor exists called Ogbe nmu dein.

If this is true, it is interesting to see how the name was twisted out of its original Igbo meaning into something else.


Towns in Agbor
Ogbemudein
Ihogbe
Obielihe
Ihaikpen
Ogbeisore
Ogbeisogban
Agbamuse/Oruru
Alifekede
Omumu
Alisor
Alilehan
Alizomor
Ozanogogo (Ozara)
Alisimien
Ewuru
Idumu-Oza
Aliokpu
Aliagwai
Alihami
Agbor-nta
Alihagwu
Oki
Ekuku-Agbor
Emuhun
Boji-Boji Agbor

bigfrancis21:


@bold...isn't it interesting how you claimed there is no proof of Igbo aborigines settling first in Ika land but yet went on to make a claim about the percentages of Edo names in Ika land half a century ago without providing your proof of it? Wait, what does that make you?

Is it not funny how you want us to believe that Binis settled in Ika land first, but lost their language to Igbo because of the 'heavy migration' of Igbo traders into Ika land and Igbos changed their language, their names, their town names etc. from 'Edoid' to 'Igboid' without any proof whatsoever for this even though Igbo as a tribe did not exist many years ago, but not the chances of Bini migration and assimilation into Ika/Igbo land?

Here is something to the effect of Igbo settlement in Ika land before Bini settlers came in, as confirmed by Pa Iduwe an Ika historian.

http://people.bu.edu/manfredi/Iduuwe.History.pdf

do you know the difference between 40% and about 40%? I've always admitted that the Igbo influence in Ika is more than just through trade. Ika language has shifted more towards Igbo a long time ago but when you come to names, Ikas surname are majority Edo/Edoid. If you check the prominent Ika people today, you'll find out that they're majority Edo surnames. I'm not going to comment on Iduwe's Apocryphic writing.

Cire80:
do you know the difference between 40% and about 40%? I've always admitted that the Igbo influence in Ika is more than just through trade. Ika language has shifted more towards Igbo a long time ago but when you come to names, Ikas surname are majority Edo/Edoid. If you check the prominent Ika people today, you'll find out that they're majority Edo surnames. I'm not going to comment on Iduwe's Apocryphic writing.

@bold...of course. Where is your own by the way? You keep cycling your theory around with no proof whatsoever.

bigfrancis21:


Well this is partially correct. In the past, surnames (afa nna) were foreign in Igboland. Children were often identified by their mother's names instead especially in polygamous families where a man had several wives and so many children. It thus became easier for the man to identify his child by the wife who bore him/her. Thus Ahanna son of the third wife, Mgbafor, would be addressed as or introduce himself as Ahanna nwa Mgbafor and Chimdike son of second wife, Nnedi, would be addressed as Chimdike Nnedi. Till date, descendants of the same father/umunna (kindred) but different mothers form their own meetings as their own close-related unit. Surname/last name (afa nna) came with British civilization and Igbos had to adopt their father's names (often first names, as surnames did not exist prior) as their surnames.

Why am I saying this? Because even though Bini settlers settled in Ika land and adopted the Ika speech form, many held on to their Bini names (first names presumably) in connection to their roots and come British civilization, their descendants picked those names as their surnames. Yes, there are chances that a few Igbo aborigines may have wanted to give their children Bini names before the coming of the British, which later stuck as surname but my guess would be majority maintained Ika/Igbo first names and the chances of your Morka and Irabor example happening would not be as frequent as I would think. Settlers in a new area do not heavily influence naming patterns/customs in such manner except there is a major language shift that occurs within a generation or two. I would expect your Morka-Irabor example to feature more consistently instead with assimilated Bini settlers combining their adopted Ika culture and ancestral Bini culture.

Next time reply to me directly instead of leaving side remarks. Thanks.

It was not a side remark. It was a general observation on a trend. Nowadays I try to quote you people as few times as possible so as not to be sucked into long and tiring conversations with people who don't know what they are talking about. Thanks.


[One more evidence that you don't know what you are talking about as far as Ika matters are concerned.

Ogbemudia is a Bini name and means My family/foundation stands firm. It is not the same word as Ogbe nmu dein which means the royal quarter, or literally, the quarter of the descendants of dein (king). Please try and remain in familiar territory, i.e., Enugu-Ukwu history and stop jumping out of your depth. ]

RedboneSmith:


It was not a side remark. It was a general observation on a trend. Nowadays I try to quote you people as few times as possible so as not to be sucked into long and tiring conversations with people who don't know what they are talking about. Thanks.


[One more evidence that you don't know what you are talking about as far as Ika matters are concerned.

Ogbemudia is a Bini name and means My family/foundation stands firm. It is not the same word as Ogbe nmu dein which means the royal quarter, or literally, the quarter of the descendants of dein (king). Please try and remain in familiar territory, i.e., Enugu-Ukwu history and stop jumping out of your depth. ]

Why don't you remain in your Igala familiar territory, using same logic.

You are not Ika, the last time I checked.

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pazienza:


Why don't you remain in your Igala familiar territory, using same logic.

You are not Ika, the last time I checked.

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I am Anioma. The whole Anioma area is familiar territory to me.

RedboneSmith:
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I am Anioma. The whole Anioma area is familiar territory to me.

No. You are an Igala settler in Enu-ani town called Illah. You are not an Ika.

Your familiar territory should be Igala or Illah, going by your logic.

The last time I checked, there is no ethnic group recognized as Anioma within or outside Nigeria.

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pazienza:


No. You are an Igala settler in Enu-ani town called Illah. You are not an Ika.

Your familiar territory should be Igala or Illah, going by your logic.

The last time I checked, there is no ethnic group recognized as Anioma within or outside Nigeria.

[/s]

You are bored. Anioma is a well-organised constituted socio-cultural grouping, and we regard each other as kin. If it pains you come and jump on my back.

I am also waiting for you to come from Ogidi and drive me and other Illah indigenes, including the Obi Ogbelani out of Oshimili and back to Igala.

RedboneSmith:


It was not a side remark. It was a general observation on a trend. Nowadays I try to quote you people as few times as possible so as not to be sucked into long and tiring conversations with people who don't know what they are talking about. Thanks.


[One more evidence that you don't know what you are talking about as far as Ika matters are concerned.

Ogbemudia is a Bini name and means My family/foundation stands firm. It is not the same word as Ogbe nmu dein which means the royal quarter, or literally, the quarter of the descendants of dein (king). Please try and remain in familiar territory, i.e., Enugu-Ukwu history and stop jumping out of your depth. ]

Just another side observation.
In my dialect, ogbe means, either, "my quarter", "my area", " region ", etc.
Ogbemudia will mean,
" My region/area/quarter/village/town whatever stands firm too.
I'm not saying that's what that particular name mean, i'm just saying, you can be 100% sure its 100% meaning, excluding the explanations Bigfrancis21 gave above.

By the way, Ciro80, since you are neither from Ika area nor even understand the language in any capacity, why are you so much convinced about your assertions without a single proof. Why do are you not backing down to superior evidences?

RedboneSmith:
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You are bored. Anioma is a well-organised constituted socio-cultural grouping, and we regard each other as kin. If it pains you come and jump on my back.

I am also waiting for you to come from Ogidi and drive me and other Illah indigenes, including the Obi Ogbelani out of Oshimili and back to Igala.

Is it correct to say that you are ethnically, Igala but politically Anioma (since its a political construct coined from an Igbo language)? Just like we have people who are ethnically German but politically, Italians (in the case of South Tirol) and Switzerland (Northern Switzerland)

Eke40seven:

Is it correct to say that you are ethnically, Igala but politically Anioma (since its a political construct coined from an Igbo language)? Just like we have people who are ethnically German but politically, Italians (in the case of South Tirol) and Switzerland (Northern Switzerland)

I have said before on this forum that I identify personally as Igbo, and have been active in pro-Igbo organizations both online and offline. Note that I say "personally". I am in no position to speak for everyone in Anioma.

But I guess identifying as Igbo isn't enough for fanatical nationalists like Pazienza who want me to also reject the Igala origins of my community, and seek every opportunity to call me 'Igbophobe' and 'Igala settler'. If 'Igbo' unity never happens we only have fanatical nationalists to blame for it.

And no, we are not ethnically Igala. Not any more.

gerg:
If you think a non Igbo is in the best possible to tell you if Igbo is a hard language or not (compared to Bini?). I as an Ika man is not the best person to ask because I have a high understanding of how both languages work. but in my opinion, Bini is a more difficult language than Igbo. I know a thing or two about the Phonetics, phonology, syntax, morphology, semantics and pragmatics. In my quest to have better understanding of Ika language, I found out that Ika language is rooted in two languages, that is Igbo and Bini that's how I did a little research in both languages. A present day Ika man is born to automatically understand more Igbo than Bini, in the course of my little quest, I found too many similarities in many aspects of Bini and Ika languages. I also found too many similarities in Ika Igbo, and even Igbo and Bini. But all aspects of Ika languages lies between the two languages. I have seen some people talk how Ika adopted Ika adopted Bini intonation, inflection and accents. This is very laughable. Intonation, inflection and accents don't change easily. but word meanings can easily be influence that's why no matter how educated a Calabar man is, he speak English with Calabar accents.

And If Ika is Ika people generally, why the differentiation between Ika Bini and Ika people?

I won't argue with you on which of the languages is easier to learn than the other since I am an Igbo and can't see the challenges non Igbo complain of neither have I tried learning Bini to compare both...in which ever way I have no authority to make an assertion in that area BUT am quoting what majority of Nigerian do say..."Igbo is very hard to learn and understand"... This is a normal saying among Nigerians and Dts wea I base my conclusions on!...

For the ika Bini and ika pple , I tot I made dt clear ... When I used the term ika Bini I mean ika Pple dt r pro Bini y ika Pple means all ika Pple wether pro Igbo or pro Bini... U can also detect the difference btwn them from dis explanation

bigfrancis21:
Of course, I am sure cire80 would reject this beautiful piece of history because it does not corroborate what he wants to hear - Ikas are of Bini ancestry influenced by Igbo traders and Igbo language.

Oru asu Ika, Igbo asu Ika, a common Ika sentence.

In Ukwuani, they say Ezi ukwu ada aki Igbo.

More from Pa Iduuwe's book.

Please forgive my underlining skills...

bigfrancis21:


The Ukwuani town with relations with Urhobo is the Orogun community who are bilingual in Ukwuani and Urhobo.

Great expos brother... Weldone

bigfrancis21:


The Ukwuani town with relations with Urhobo is the Orogun community who are bilingual in Ukwuani and Urhobo.

it's obvious you don't know anything about Anioma. Keep on displaying your ignorance. There are many Ukwani mixed with Urhobo, some mixed with Isoko and even Ijaw. Those are not what I was talking about Ukwani in general. If you know Ukwani, you wouldn't make this comment

RedboneSmith:
You are bored. Anioma is a well-organised constituted socio-cultural grouping, and we regard each other as kin. If it pains you come and jump on my back.

I am also waiting for you to come from Ogidi and drive me and other Illah indigenes, including the Obi Ogbelani out of Oshimili and back to Igala.

Hehehe.... what an interesting response. Una no go kill person with laugh for here!

RedboneSmith:
I have said before on this forum that I identify personally as Igbo, and have been active in pro-Igbo organizations both online and offline. Note that I say "personally". I am in no position to speak for everyone in Anioma.

But I guess identifying as Igbo isn't enough for fanatical nationalists like Pazienza who want me to also reject the Igala origins of my community, and seek every opportunity to call me 'Igbophobe' and 'Igala settler'. If 'Igbo' unity never happens we only have fanatical nationalists to blame for it.

And no, we are not ethnically Igala. Not any more.

Epic!

But I guess identifying as Igbo isn't enough for
fanatical nationalists like Pazienza who want me to
also reject the Igala origins of my community, and
seek every opportunity to call me 'Igbophobe' and
'Igala settler'. If 'Igbo' unity never happens we only
have fanatical nationalists to blame for it

Now I'm intrigued.

This coming from man who believes Igbos culture is inferior to Yoloba culture and continuously chant "Igala" up and down everywhere here.

You need to go sort your complex issues out and stop crying all over the place.

No one is interested in your Igala origin, we have Ntezi people in Ebonyi who don't even speak Igbo as first language, but we won't allow you to hide under amphoteric ethnic nationality and spread your Igbophobic comments everywhere. You will of course be checkmated each time you attempt that and I expect you to come back crying again.

"Despite being smaller, their cultural impact in the
New Word is DOMINANT. Yorubas are the single
most culturally influential ethnic group in the Black
Diaspora. By contrast, the Igbo who were sold in
much larger numbers are almost culturally invisible
in the New World. This is a clear indicator of who
among the two had a more advanced, impactful
culture".

https://www.nairaland.com/3580290/comparing-slave-numbers-bight-benin/1

Imagine this unrepentant confused amphoteric Igala- Igbo man talking about someone scattering Igbo unity, like he knows the meaning of Igbo unity.

Chimoo!

pazienza:
"Despite being smaller, their cultural impact in the
New Word is DOMINANT. Yorubas are the single
most culturally influential ethnic group in the Black
Diaspora. By contrast, the Igbo who were sold in
much larger numbers are almost culturally invisible
in the New World. This is a clear indicator of who
among the two had a more advanced, impactful
culture".

https://www.nairaland.com/3580290/comparing-slave-numbers-bight-benin/1

Imagine this unrepentant confused amphoteric Igala- Igbo man talking about someone scattering Igbo unity, like he knows the meaning of Igbo unity.

Chimoo!

I am happy that that comment is still paining you. That was my intent. The OP, bigfrancis, was actually the person I was trying to upset, but since you're the one that seems to be catching all the feelings, you are also welcome.

Since you people think silly and disgraceful topics such as slave numbers are what matter to us today, I also decided to drop silly and disgraceful comments on that thread, let us all be disgracing ourselves. For God's sakes, who prides himself in the fact that his ancestors were slaves, and makes thread after thread revelling in that?

Anyway, you have to be sillier than I thought not to recognise I was trolling you and Francis on that thread.

RedboneSmith:
If 'Igbo' unity never happens we only have fanatical nationalists to blame for it.

This statement right here is excellent.

RedboneSmith:


It was not a side remark. It was a general observation on a trend. Nowadays I try to quote you people as few times as possible so as not to be sucked into long and tiring conversations with people who don't know what they are talking about. Thanks.


[One more evidence that you don't know what you are talking about as far as Ika matters are concerned.

Ogbemudia is a Bini name and means My family/foundation stands firm. It is not the same word as Ogbe nmu dein which means the royal quarter, or literally, the quarter of the descendants of dein (king). Please try and remain in familiar territory, i.e., Enugu-Ukwu history and stop jumping out of your depth. ]

You do realize Ogbemudia mean same thing in Igbo too,don't you?.
Ogbe mu di a/ya.

BTW,you were given that advice first.You should live it before dishing it out.

RedboneSmith:


I am happy that that comment is still paining you. That was my intent. The OP, bigfrancis, was actually the person I was trying to upset, but since you're the one that seems to be catching all the feelings, you are also welcome.

Since you people think silly and disgraceful topics such as slave numbers are what matter to us today, I also decided to drop silly and disgraceful comments on that thread, let us all be disgracing ourselves. For God's sakes, who prides himself in the fact that his ancestors were slaves, and makes thread after thread revelling in that?

Anyway, you have to be sillier than I thought not to recognise I was trolling you and Francis on that thread.

Bla bla bla. Move along. You don't denigrate the great Igbo nation just for fun, you can only do so when you are not Igbo or when you have amphoteric ethnicity.