pazienza:
The Yolobas once again spreading their Igbophobic falsehoods passed down to them by their shameless dishonest fore runners.


As usual, I'm your party pooper, and I just arrived. Prepare to be flogged by facts and your Yoloboic falsehoods smashed.

I'll be right back.

What is this nyamiri Osu saying?

Were those not the words of the greatest Osu man that ever liveth?

TimeManager:
Even their so called best war abi riot was not without a defeat.
alot many of their women were killed while some were captured & forcefully married off to the whites.. They have always been defeated all rounder in every battles.
Truth is mine!

We are now wondering why 3m women and children died during the civil war, when their men will rather prefer to hide on tree tops like orango-tangs.

SuperS1Panther:


We are now wondering why 3m women and children died during the civil war, when their men will rather prefer to hide on tree tops like orango-tangs.

wicked .. They were using the trees as environmental shield...bloody cowards!!..They'd better start worshipping the great Afonjas.
Kiss the truth!

[s]

pazienza:
The Yolobas once again spreading their Igbophobic falsehoods passed down to them by their shameless dishonest fore runners.


As usual, I'm your party pooper, and I just arrived. Prepare to be flogged by facts and your Yoloboic falsehoods smashed.

I'll be right back.

[/s]

Shutup. Where is your Igboid moniker?

codedslayer:
[s][/s]

Shutup. Where is your Igboid moniker?

Is he saying the greatest Osu man did not utter those words?

TimeManager:
Chestbeating as usual.. Had the fulanis overrun the Yorubas in their quest to conquer, SE would have turned to a rubble whose only primitive weapon was cassava sticks.
. But the Yorubas were more than gallant to repel their attacks with superior valour. The more reason y'all be grateful to the Yorubas daily but unfortunately you could only return it with ingratitude.
SuperS1Panther, shukuokukobambi, ioannes(elders in the house, shey no be true?)
Truth is talking!

oh! goodnesd you see why I don't like identifying with my father's people lie is our trademark and 20 years from now now one ll take us serious ...Fulanis conquered our fathers and introduced Islam too away Ilorin and installed an emir what else do you need from them ..please gallant different from what I read in oxford dictionary .that word should be distant from Yoruba cos it ll be an insult to English scholars

please when lipstick women fro Dahomey ran sacked the Yoruba tribe where was our baloguns and co please my brothers to prove our worth there is another jihad going on in osun please clear our doubt please
information has it that the scoreline 17:3 Fulani's on the winning side

Adiola:
please when lipstick women fro Dahomey ran sacked the Yoruba tribe where was our baloguns and co please my brothers to prove our worth there is another jihad going on in osun please clear our doubt please [s]information has it that the scoreline 17:3 Fulani's on the winning side[/s]

If you employ propaganda instead of facts, people won't take you seriously.

[s]Adiola:
oh! goodnesd you see why I don't like identifying with my father's people lie is our trademark and 20 years from now now one ll take us serious ...Fulanis conquered our fathers and introduced Islam too away Ilorin and installed an emir what else do you need from them ..please gallant different from what I read in oxford dictionary .that word should be distant from Yoruba cos it ll be an insult to English scholars[/s]

Aba made crudology.. .Which your father's people are you talking about??..What Nonsense!..you are a cowardly low-self esteem Osu peasant.. When have you ever heard there was a war in Ilorin??.. A merely lame pin-sized consolation among Liepob slayves.
Kiss the truth!

pazienza:
The Yolobas once again spreading their Igbophobic falsehoods passed down to them by their shameless dishonest fore runners.


As usual, I'm your party pooper, and I just arrived. Prepare to be flogged by facts and your Yoloboic falsehoods smashed.

I'll be right back.

E pain nam. ... Cassava-sticks bearing fighters..
Truth is talking!

"Secondly at the 1954 Constitutional Conference
that was held in Lagos, the Action Group, under the
distinguished leadership of Chief Obafemi
Awolowo, demanded that the “right to secession”
be included in the proposed new constitution. This
was rejected by the Colonial Secretary, Oliver
Lyttleton."
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/10/time-
think-femi-fani-kayode/

Never did Zik stop Awolowo or any Nigerian group from secession. The British simply made no room for secession of any group from Nigeria.

Bamenda that pushed for secession were given the option of either joining Cameroon of remaining with Nigeria.

The idea that Zik forced Awolowo or anyone from secession from Nigeria is a regular yoloba falsehood aimed at explaining away the cowardice of Awolowo in cowering before the British demand rather than forcing secession if he wanted one.

Did Osu Zik uttered those words or not?

Or you want to deny that too?

I have invited you to attend this caucus because I
would like you to make clear our stand on the
issue of secession. As a party, we would have
preferred Nigeria to remain intact, but lest there be
doubt as to our willingness to concede to any
shade of political opinion the right to determine its
policy, I am obliged to issue a solemn warning to
those who are goading the North towards
secession. If you agree with my views, then I hope
that in course of our deliberations tonight, you will
endorse them, to enable me to publicize them in
the Press.
In my opinion, the Northerners are perfectly entitled
to consider whether or not they should secede from
the indissoluble union which nature has formed
between it and the South, but it would be
calamitous to the corporate existence of the North
should the clamour for secession prevail. I,
therefore, counsel Northern leaders to weigh the
advantages and disadvantages of secession before
embarking upon this dangerous course.


This is Zik admitting that the North is entitled to decide whether they were to secede or not secede.

[b] As one who was born in the North, I have a deep
spiritual attachment to that part of the country, but
it would be a capital political blunder if the North
should break away from the South. The latter is in
a better position to make rapid constitutional
advance, so that if the North should become
truncated from the South, it would benefit both
Southerners and Northerners who are domiciled in
the South more than their kith and kin who are
domiciled in the North.
There are seven reasons for my holding to this
view. Secession by the North may lead to internal
political convulsion there when it is realized that
militant nationalists and their organizations, like
the NLPU, the Askianist Movement, and the Middle
Zone League, have aspirations for self-government
in 1956 identical with those of their Southern
compatriots. It may lead to justifiable demands for
the right of self-determination by non-Muslims,
who form the majority of the population in the so-
called ‘Pagan’ provinces, like Benue, Ilorin, Kabba,
Niger and Plateau, not to mention the claims of
non-Muslims who are domiciled in Adamawa and
Bauchi Provinces. [/b]


Here is Zik trying to persuade the North to stay in Nigeria by presenting a gloomy picture of what an independent Arewa republic would look like.

He was using the scary tactics to plead to the North to see that her interests were better safe guarded in a United Nigeria.

[b] It may lead to economic nationalism in the Eastern
Region, which can pursue a policy of blockade of
the North, by refusing it access to the sea, over and
under the River Niger, except upon payment of
tolls. It may lead to economic warfare between the
North on the one hand, and the Eastern or Western
regions on the other, should they decide to fix
protective tariffs which will make the use of the
ports of the Last and West uneconomic for the
North.
The North may be rich in mineral resources and
certain cash crops, but that is no guarantee that it
would be capable of growing sufficient food crops
to enable it to feed its teeming millions, unlike the
East and the West. Secession may create hardship
for Easterners and Westerners who are domiciled in
the North, since the price of food crops to be
imported into the North from the South is bound to
be very high and to cause an increase in the cost
of living. Lastly, it will endanger the relations with
their neighbours of millions of Northerners who are
domiciled in the East and West and Easterners and
Westerners who reside in the North. [/b]

Zik continued talking on the demerits of an independent Arewa while playing down on the merits.
This is the typical scaremongering tactics of a diplomat aimed at goading others with opposite opinions into their own positions.

You may ask me whether there would be a
prospect of civil war, if the North decided to
secede? My answer would be that it is a
hypothetical question which only time can answer.
In any case, the plausible cause of a civil war
might be a dispute as to the right of passage on
the River Niger, or the right of flight over the
territory of the Eastern or Western Region; but such
disputes can be settled diplomatically, instead of
by force.


Notice that both Zik and Eastern region had no plans of using military force to force the North into Nigerian union, should diplomacy fail.

Zik was already talking about possible issues of conflict that might arise between an independent Arewa and Independent East or West. Like the River Niger issue, like Egypt is having with Sudan and the rest of East Africa over River Nile.

The cause of Civil war won't be plans to force the North back into Nigeria.

pazienza:
"Secondly at the 1954 Constitutional Conference
that was held in Lagos, the Action Group, under the
distinguished leadership of Chief Obafemi
Awolowo, demanded that the “right to secession”
be included in the proposed new constitution. This
was rejected by the Colonial Secretary, Oliver
Lyttleton."
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/10/time-
think-femi-fani-kayode/

Never did Zik stop Awolowo or any Nigerian group from secession. The British simply made no room for secession of any group from Nigeria.

Bamenda that pushed for secession were given the option of either joining Cameroon of remaining with Nigeria.

The idea that Zik forced Awolowo or anyone from secession from Nigeria is a regular yoloba falsehood aimed at explaining away the cowardice of Awolowo in cowering before the British demand rather than forcing secession if he wanted one.

very good. In fact, very very good

So according to your own fact finding, its an incontrovertible fact that Awolowo insisted that "the right to secession" be enshrined in the constitution? Let's agree that the british thwarted his effort. Now, why would he do that if he wanted badly to be in bed with Ahmadu Bello and his family?

Now see excerpts of Azikiwe's speech

In my opinion, the Northerners are perfectly entitled to consider whether or not they should secede from the indissoluble union which nature has formed between it and the South, but it would be calamitous to the corporate existence of the North should the clamour for secession prevail. I, therefore, counsel Northern leaders to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of secession before embarking upon this dangerous course.

From the above, zik called Nigeria an INDISSOLUBLE union. Do you need a dictionary to explain what that word in bold means? No wonder zik was screaming one Nigeria while his allies were wasting 3million of his relatives. He wanted Nigeria more than the lives of his family. Why that is we might never know

From the above, zik was counseling(advising) Ahmadu Bello and his Fulani herdsmen not to secede. Why? What benefit did he hope to gain from them?

From the above, we can infer, conclude and affirm that both Yoruba and Hausa/Fulani wanted out of Nigeria 7 years before independence but Zik of Africa was firmly pro Nigerian. Why then do these eternal crybabies vent the frustration arising from the myopia of their leaders on Yoruba people? Was zik stupid? Was he mad? Was he ignorant of the tendency of the Hausa/Fulani to murder at will even from the massacres of ibo in Jos of 1945 & Kano of 1953?

Why did zik insist on begging the Fulani herdsmen to stay in Nigeria even when they wanted an international border between them and ibo people? Why did zik love Hausa people so much he begged them to stay when Awo was insisting against it?

From the above, who wanted to remain with the northerners? Who claimed an indissoluble Union with the sons of uthman Dan fodio? Zik or Awo?

By Henry Chukwuemeka Onyema

At the conference that led up to the 1954 constitution, Awolowo called for the inclusion of a secessionist clause in the new constitution. Any region that wanted could leave the union. But the proposal failed because the three regions were not united on the issue. While Ahmadu Bello of the North supported it, Nnamdi Azikiwe of the East disagreed. In retrospect, did Azikiwe, the pan-Nigerian, make a big mistake?

https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/12/03/a-nation-is-an-idea-thinking-through-biafra-part-1/amp/

That put to the bed the fallacy of the lying Osus.

pazienza:
[b] As one who was born in the North, I have a deep
spiritual attachment to that part of the country, but
it would be a capital political blunder if the North
should break away from the South. The latter is in
a better position to make rapid constitutional
advance, so that if the North should become
truncated from the South, it would benefit both
Southerners and Northerners who are domiciled in
the South more than their kith and kin who are
domiciled in the North.
There are seven reasons for my holding to this
view. Secession by the North may lead to internal
political convulsion there when it is realized that
militant nationalists and their organizations, like
the NLPU, the Askianist Movement, and the Middle
Zone League, have aspirations for self-government
in 1956 identical with those of their Southern
compatriots. It may lead to justifiable demands for
the right of self-determination by non-Muslims,
who form the majority of the population in the so-
called ‘Pagan’ provinces, like Benue, Ilorin, Kabba,
Niger and Plateau, not to mention the claims of
non-Muslims who are domiciled in Adamawa and
Bauchi Provinces. [/b]


Here is Zik trying to persuade the North to stay in Nigeria by presenting a gloomy picture of what an independent Arewa republic would look like.

He was using the scary tactics to plead to the North to see that her interests were better save guarded in a United Nigeria.

see the eternal love of zik for Hausa people. See how much he loved the Fulani herdsmen that pazienza is wishing genocide, democide, infanticide against today. See the love of zik for the past, present and future killers of his people

Hausa wanted to go and starve to death if possible but their eternal lovers, the ibo, begged and pleaded with them.to stay in Nigeria where their survival was sure but guess what?

They now blame Awo and Yoruba for the insistence of the Hausa/Fulani not to renegotiate that Union that zik called indissoluble 64 years ago!

They blame Yoruba for refusing to contribute human sacrifice to free them from.the bondage they begged and pleaded to enter in 1953!

shukuokukobambi:


very good. In fact, very very good

So according to your own fact finding, its an incontrovertible fact that Awolowo insisted that "the right to secession" be enshrined in the constitution? Let's agree that the british thwarted his effort. Now, why would he do that if he wanted badly to be in bed with Ahmadu Bello and his family?

Now see excerpts of Azikiwe's speech

In my opinion, the Northerners are perfectly entitled to consider whether or not they should secede from the indissoluble union which nature has formed between it and the South, but it would be calamitous to the corporate existence of the North should the clamour for secession prevail. I, therefore, counsel Northern leaders to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of secession before embarking upon this dangerous course.

From the above, zik called Nigeria an INDISSOLUBLE union.

From the above, zik was counseling(advising) Ahmadu Bello and his Fulani herdsmen not to secede. Why? Ehat benefit did he hope to gain from them?

From the above, we can infer, conclude and affirm that both Yoruba and Hausa/Fulani wanted out of Nigeria 7 years before independence but Zik of Africa was firmly pro Nigerian. Why then do these eternal crybabies vent the frustration arising from the myopia of their leaders on Yoruba people? Was zik stupid? Was he mad? Was he ignorant of the tendency of the Hausa/Fulani to murder at will even from the massacres of ibo in Jos of 1945 & Kano of 1953?

Why did zik insist on begging the Fulani herdsmen to stay in Nigeria even when they wanted an international border between them and ibo people? Why did zik love Hausa people so much he begged them to stay when Awo was insisting against it?

From the above, who wanted to remain with the northerners? Who claimed an indissoluble Union with the sons of uthman Dan fodio? Zik or Awo?

Everyone, both Zik and Awolowo and Arewa knew that to the British, Nigeria is indissoluble.

The British made it clear that the Nigerian union was indissoluble. Any one who wanted to leave must challenge the British squarely.

It's stupid for the Yolobas to not blame Awolowo for his cowardice of not standing against British but instead cowering to their resolve, only to end up blaming Zik who never stopped Awolowo or the North from secession, but only reminded them of the indissoluble state of the union, a fact the rest of them already knew.


Zik was an Igbo man born in the North. He felt a United Nigeria then was better, and he made his opinion known, but he never stood on the way of any way group that wished to challenge the British by breaking away from the region, he merely reminded them of the challenges they might face in secession.

That Zik as an Igbo leader felt the Nigerian union as of then was better for Ndiigbo, does not mean that Igbo leaders later or even Zik himself can not decide in a later date that the Nigerian union wasn't good enough again for Ndiigbo, after all neither Zik nor Ndiigbo stood on the way of Arewa or Odua when they wanted secession.

This whole Yoloba cheap blackmail will only stand if only Zik and Ndiigbo stopped Awolowo from secession from the Nigerian state in any shape or form.

The truth of the matter was that Awolowo enquiry for secession was killed prematurely by Lyttleton, who told him the union was indissoluble, a fact Awolowo knew before hand, And yet enquired of, and cowered before the British when he got his answer.

Its shameful for Yolobas to come out decades latter to place the blame of Awolowo cowardice on Zik.

If Awolowo decided to defy the British by continuing in his secession demand/Pursuit and Zik/Ndiigbo ganged up with the British to force Awolowo and Yolobas back to the union, then the Yolobas would have a point.

But as stands, Yolobas have no point.

Zik was pro Nigeria, but he was not going to use any means beyond diplomacy to convince any group to stay in Nigeria. He wasn't going to fight a civil war to keep any group in Nigeria.

pazienza:



Everyone, both Zik and Awolowo and Arewa knew that to the British, Nigeria is indissoluble.

The British made it clear that the Nigerian union was indissoluble. Any one who wanted to leave must challenge the British squarely.

It's stupid for the Yolobas to not blame Awolowo for his cowardice of not standing against British but instead cowering to their resolve, only to end up blaming Zik who never stopped Awolowo or the North from secession, but only reminded them of the indissoluble state of the union, a fact the rest of them already knew.


Zik was an Igbo man born in the North. He felt a United Nigeria then was better, and he made his opinion known, but he never stood on the way of any way group that wished to challenge the British by breaking away from the region, he merely reminded them of the challenges they might face in secession.

That Zik as an Igbo leader felt the Nigerian union as of then was better for Ndiigbo, does not mean that Igbo leaders later or even Zik himself can not decide in a later date that the Nigerian union wasn't good enough again for Ndiigbo, after all neither Zik nor Ndiigbo stood on the way of Arewa or Odua when they wanted to secession.

may Amadioha and Ogun bless those who thought it fit to preserve these pieces of history.

Awo should have taken up arms against queen Elizabeth at the constitutional conference held in London. He should have just entered the house of lords with a sword like a samurai and slaughtered every baga there until they agree to the secession clause that Zik, the Fulani lover, was vehemently against

Abeg, keep on blaming Awo. Your biabia republic is on its way on that route surely

This is the greatest Osu man, Zik himself, talking aboout insertion of secession clause in the constitution muted by Awolowo:

NN: If I may take you on. The principle of what you supported is being vindicated alright. But what actually happened in practice? People say that NCNC was vehemently opposed to the creation of what are now the Cross River and Rivers States. In other words there seems to be a contradiction between principles and practice.

ZIK: That was propaganda. It is wrong. The NCNC supported the creation of Calabar States, Ogoja State and Rivers State but not to lump the three together, because if you do that you will have permanent minorities. Again on the question of secession. In 1953 the NPC under the leadership of my good friend, the late Sardauna, threatened to secede from the federation unless their 6-point proposals were adhered to. I had to use personal diplomacy. We had been personal friends since 1940. So, I saw Sir Ahmadu Bello and prevailed upon him that the unity of this country was greater than himself and myself and the other people too helped so that the North shifted grounds and agreed and so the country was saved. That was in 1953.

[b]Again, however, when the 1954 constitution conference started, my good friend, Chief Obafemi Awolowo tabled a motion to the effect that in the new constitution, provision should be made that any state which feels like seceding should do so. I was opposed to it and said ‘no’ and said that once we have a federation, we are indivisible and perpetual. That was when we began to use that expression - ‘The Indivisibility and perpetuity of the federation’ - and that to secede would amount to treason. And so, a debate ensued.

The Secretary of State then was Oliver Littleton, later Lord Chandos and he was very much interested and that was his first time in saying that the people of African descent were people actually debating at a high level. So a full day was given to Chief Awolowo to make his points. He spoke brilliantly as a lawyer. He made his points why secession should be incorporated in the constitution. He cited the case of the Soviet Union which is a federation, and that secession is written there so that any state in the Soviet Union can secede at will.
He also cited the case of Western Australia and eventually he finished his case and was applauded. We adjourned. The next day, I had to reply. I availed myself of the opportunity to, well, demolish the arguments of my friend and I cited the case of United States which based its constitution on that of the Swiss Confederation. That is Switzerland. I pointed out a case, I think, that of Texas versus White, where Mr. Salmon Chase, the Chief Justice laid down the principle - he was really an arbiter - that the union was intended to be perpetual and indivisible and that any attempt to divide the union by secession was treasonable.

The North (NPC) supported Action Group. The question was then: Should we have secession? The Colonial Office came to our rescue. You know, the usual principle of Britain - ‘divide and rule’ (laughs) but this time, it was in our favour. So, the colonial office backed us. Lord Chandos said that on the face of the arguments before him it would be suicidal to incorporate secession in our constitution and that is why we have section 86 in our constitution that if any region or state should secede, then it will be an act of treason and that was what led to this war, because Col. Ojukwu seceded and so violated the constitution.
[/b]
www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/my-role-in-the-civil-war-by-zik/119382.html#VVE4ltrWlJCOdO7M.99

Awo moved the idea, Ahmadu Bello was in agreement, all what was required then was for Zik to accede and the secession clause would have been inserted forever.

In their usual lack of foresight and greediness he had a contrary view, which came to hunt him and kinsmen 12years later and it is still hunting them till today.

shukuokukobambi:


may Amadioha and Ogun bless those who thought it fit to preserve these pieces of history.

Awo should have taken up arms against queen Elizabeth at the constitutional conference held in London. He should have just entered the house of lords with a sword like a samurai and slaughtered every baga there until they agree to the secession clause that Zik, the Fulani lover, was vehemently against

Abeg, keep on blaming Awo. Your biabia republic is on its way on that route surely

Did Zik stand on Awolowo path to secession?

Zik had no say on the secession. clause. Lyttleton made it obvious that it was not open for discuss.
The lies Yolobas Fed themselves before now was that it was Zik that stood against the secession clause insertion. But we always knew it was lyletton, the British representative.

As the British made it clear that secession was not an option.
The only path open for Awolowo was armed struggle. Awolowo knew this and chickened out like a coward.

Zik made it clear that he won't be part of effort to force any group to be part of Nigeria by force. Anything beyond diplomacy was not for him.

If Awolowo took up arm struggle for secession from Nigeria against the British and Zik/Ndiigbo stood on his way by means of serving as foot soldiers for the British, then you would have a point.

But this your twisted logic of laying the cowardice of Awolowo on Zik and Igbo head, will not stand.

It was simply brought in death.

pazienza:


Did Zik stand on Awolowo path to secession?

Zik had no say on the secession. clause. Lyttleton made it obvious that it was not open for discuss.
The lies Yolobas Fed themselves before now was that it was Zik that stood against the secession clause insertion. But we always knew it was lyletton, the British representative.

As the British made it clear that secession was not an option.
The only path open for Awolowo was armed struggle. Awolowo knew this and chickened out like a coward.

Zik made it clear that he won't be part of effort to force any group to be part of Nigeria by force. Anything beyond diplomacy was not for him.

If Awolowo took up arm struggle for secession from Nigeria against the British and Zik/Ndiigbo stood on his way by means of serving as foot soldiers for the British, then you would have a point.

But this your twisted logic of laying the cowardice of Awolowo on Zik and Igbo head, will not stand.

It was simply brought in death.

You are a liar. Zik in his own voice stated clearly he opposed the idea of secession when the North moved the idea and when Awo did.

In 1953 the NPC under the leadership
of my good friend, the late Sardauna, threatened
to secede from the federation unless their 6-point
proposals were adhered to. I had to use personal
diplomacy. We had been personal friends since
1940. So, I saw Sir Ahmadu Bello and prevailed
upon him that the unity of this country was greater
than himself and myself and the other people too
helped so that the North shifted grounds and
agreed and so the country was saved. That was in
1953.


Diplomacy!Diplomacy!!Diplomacy!!!

Put it into your Yoloba skull. Zik never used force to force any group into the Nigerian union. He never stood on any groups way.

He used Diplomacy, which involved looking out the issues triggering the demand for secession by the group, and sorting them out

The North wanted a Nigeria they controlled totally or they secede.
That was eventually what Zik gave them. He was willing to concede power to the North to placate them and make Nigeria union palatable to them.

Bad idea? maybe on hindsight, but it emphasizes the insincerity of those who want to hold unto power today, why chanting one Nigeria. The dishonesty of those who care not to meet the demands of those who want secession today, the shame of those who prefer the power of gun to the power of Diplomacy in keeping a nation United and progressive.

pazienza:


Did Zik stand on Awolowo path to secession?


Zik had no say on the secession. clause. Lyttleton made it obvious that it was not open for discuss.
The lies Yolobas Fed themselves before now was that it was Zik that stood against the secession clause insertion. But we always knew it was lyletton, the British representative.

As the British made it clear that secession was not an option.
The only path open for Awolowo was armed struggle. Awolowo knew this and chickened out like a coward.

Zik made it clear that he won't be part of effort to force any group to be part of Nigeria by force. Anything beyond diplomacy was not for him.

If Awolowo took up arm struggle for secession from Nigeria and Zik/Ndiigbo stood on his way by means of serving as foot soldiers for the British, then you would have a point.

But this your twisted logic of laying the cowardice of Awolowo on Zik and Igbo laps, will not stand.

It was simply brought in death.

Your disingenuity is horrible!!

What do you think would have happened if Zik, Awo and Bello had spoken with one voice to that British officer and insisted on the seccesion clause in the constitution? After all, how did they get the British to agree to independence? Was it not by insisting on it?

Was it armed struggle that gave birth to independence or negotiations by educated men who agreed? Why was zik so.myopic despite the evidence of 1945 and 1953 massacres of his relatives by the same folks he begged for an alliance?

If Nigeria was indissoluble according to zik, why then are you now disturbing the country with your ipob and massob nonsense? has it stopped being indissoluble today? Has the secession clause being smuggled into the constitution?

Anyway, I'm happy about something: you confessed that zik pleaded with the northerners to stay and of course proceed to form an alliance for power with them and we know how much that benefited you

SuperS1Panther:


You are a liar. Zik in his own voice stated clearly he opposed the idea of secession when the North moved the idea and when Awo did.

Just leave him in his dance of shame

I never knew the yeeboe people love the Hausa/Fulani with such an eternal love. So Fulani wanted out but yeeboe people begged them to stay?

God bless Awolowo

SuperS1Panther:


You are a liar. Zik in his own voice stated clearly he opposed the idea of secession when the North moved the idea and when Awo did.

Where is the quote, from a non Yoloba/neutral/Igbo source.

Zik was anti secession. But he never had any power to stop any region from secession if the region so wished.

And he reiterated that he wasn't going to use anything beyond DIPLOMACY to keep any group in Nigeria.

Zik never stopped Bamenda from secession. The only obstacle any group that intended to secede had to overcome was the British, even though Zik himself was anti secession,he wasn't an obstacle to any one hell bent on secession.

pazienza:


Where is the quote, from a non Yoloba/neutral/Igbo source.

Zik was anti secession. But he never had any power to stop any region from secession if the region so wished.

And he reiterated that he wasn't going to use anything beyond DIPLOMACY to keep any group in Nigeria.

Zik never stopped Bamenda from secession. The only obstacle any group that intended to secede had to overcome was the British, even though Zik himself was anti secession,he wasn't an obstacle to any one hell bent on secession.

This was Zik in his own voice:

NN: If I may take you on. The principle of what you supported is being vindicated alright. But what actually happened in practice? People say that NCNC was vehemently opposed to the creation of what are now the Cross River and Rivers States. In other words there seems to be a contradiction between principles and practice.

ZIK: That was propaganda. It is wrong. The NCNC supported the creation of Calabar States, Ogoja State and Rivers State but not to lump the three together, because if you do that you will have permanent minorities. Again on the question of secession. In 1953 the NPC under the leadership of my good friend, the late Sardauna, threatened to secede from the federation unless their 6-point proposals were adhered to. I had to use personal diplomacy. We had been personal friends since 1940. So, I saw Sir Ahmadu Bello and prevailed upon him that the unity of this country was greater than himself and myself and the other people too helped so that the North shifted grounds and agreed and so the country was saved. That was in 1953.

[b]Again, however, when the 1954 constitution conference started, my good friend, Chief Obafemi Awolowo tabled a motion to the effect that in the new constitution, provision should be made that any state which feels like seceding should do so. I was opposed to it and said ‘no’ and said that once we have a federation, we are indivisible and perpetual. That was when we began to use that expression - ‘The Indivisibility and perpetuity of the federation’ - and that to secede would amount to treason. And so, a debate ensued.

The Secretary of State then was Oliver Littleton, later Lord Chandos and he was very much interested and that was his first time in saying that the people of African descent were people actually debating at a high level. So a full day was given to Chief Awolowo to make his points. He spoke brilliantly as a lawyer. He made his points why secession should be incorporated in the constitution. He cited the case of the Soviet Union which is a federation, and that secession is written there so that any state in the Soviet Union can secede at will.
He also cited the case of Western Australia and eventually he finished his case and was applauded. We adjourned. The next day, I had to reply. I availed myself of the opportunity to, well, demolish the arguments of my friend and I cited the case of United States which based its constitution on that of the Swiss Confederation. That is Switzerland. I pointed out a case, I think, that of Texas versus White, where Mr. Salmon Chase, the Chief Justice laid down the principle - he was really an arbiter - that the union was intended to be perpetual and indivisible and that any attempt to divide the union by secession was treasonable

The North (NPC) supported Action Group. The question was then: Should we have secession? The Colonial Office came to our rescue. You know, the usual principle of Britain - ‘divide and rule’ (laughs) but this time, it was in our favour. So, the colonial office backed us. Lord Chandos said that on the face of the arguments before him it would be suicidal to incorporate secession in our constitution and that is why we have section 86 in our constitution that if any region or state should secede, then it will be an act of treason and that was what led to this war, because Col. Ojukwu seceded and so violated the constitution[b]

www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/my-role-in-the-civil-war-by-zik/119382.html#VVE4ltrWlJCOdO7M.99

^^^^ Imagine all the efforts Awolowo made to ensure that the constituent parts of this "mere geographical expression" had a choice? Even Bello wanted that freedom to chose but yeeboe people because of their eternal love for Hausa REFUSED and even ARGUED against it at the debate.

Are you people sure Azikiwe was a true son of Igbo land? The man was more interested in Hausa/Fulani welfare even more than the Fulani themselves but of course in yeeboe logic, Awolowo and Yoruba people must be blamed

May nnamdi azikiwe and emeka ojukwu, both of cursed memories, rot in the hottest; darkest; and deepest part of Hell Fire, with snakes and scorpions as their companionsy. They brought to we Igbos the calamity we have been suffering from since 1966