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Re: . by SuperS1Panther: 9:25am On Mar 11, 2017 |
pazienza: What is this nyamiri Osu saying? Were those not the words of the greatest Osu man that ever liveth? 13 Likes |
Re: . by SuperS1Panther: 9:30am On Mar 11, 2017 |
TimeManager: We are now wondering why 3m women and children died during the civil war, when their men will rather prefer to hide on tree tops like orango-tangs. 8 Likes |
Re: . by TimeManager(m): 9:55am On Mar 11, 2017 |
SuperS1Panther:wicked ![]() ![]() Kiss the truth! 11 Likes |
Re: . by codedslayer: 10:13am On Mar 11, 2017 |
[s] pazienza:[/s] Shutup. Where is your Igboid moniker? 9 Likes
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Re: . by SuperS1Panther: 11:36am On Mar 11, 2017 |
codedslayer: Is he saying the greatest Osu man did not utter those words? 2 Likes |
Re: . by Adiola(f): 11:52am On Mar 11, 2017 |
TimeManager:oh! goodnesd you see why I don't like identifying with my father's people lie is our trademark and 20 years from now now one ll take us serious ...Fulanis conquered our fathers and introduced Islam too away Ilorin and installed an emir what else do you need from them ..please gallant different from what I read in oxford dictionary .that word should be distant from Yoruba cos it ll be an insult to English scholars 8 Likes |
Re: . by Adiola(f): 11:59am On Mar 11, 2017 |
please when lipstick women fro Dahomey ran sacked the Yoruba tribe where was our baloguns and co please my brothers to prove our worth there is another jihad going on in osun please clear our doubt please information has it that the scoreline 17:3 Fulani's on the winning side 5 Likes |
Re: . by maasoap(m): 12:12pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
Adiola:If you employ propaganda instead of facts, people won't take you seriously. 5 Likes |
Re: . by TimeManager(m): 12:32pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
[s]Adiola:Aba made crudology.. .Which your father's people are you talking about??..What Nonsense!..you are a cowardly low-self esteem Osu peasant.. When have you ever heard there was a war in Ilorin??.. A merely lame pin-sized consolation among Liepob slayves. Kiss the truth! 3 Likes |
Re: . by TimeManager(m): 12:36pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
pazienza:E pain nam. ... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Truth is talking! 4 Likes |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 1:36pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
"Secondly at the 1954 Constitutional Conference that was held in Lagos, the Action Group, under the distinguished leadership of Chief Obafemi Awolowo, demanded that the “right to secession” be included in the proposed new constitution. This was rejected by the Colonial Secretary, Oliver Lyttleton." http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/10/time- think-femi-fani-kayode/ Never did Zik stop Awolowo or any Nigerian group from secession. The British simply made no room for secession of any group from Nigeria. Bamenda that pushed for secession were given the option of either joining Cameroon of remaining with Nigeria. The idea that Zik forced Awolowo or anyone from secession from Nigeria is a regular yoloba falsehood aimed at explaining away the cowardice of Awolowo in cowering before the British demand rather than forcing secession if he wanted one. 3 Likes |
Re: . by SuperS1Panther: 1:43pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
Did Osu Zik uttered those words or not? Or you want to deny that too? 3 Likes |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 1:58pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
I have invited you to attend this caucus because I would like you to make clear our stand on the issue of secession. As a party, we would have preferred Nigeria to remain intact, but lest there be doubt as to our willingness to concede to any shade of political opinion the right to determine its policy, I am obliged to issue a solemn warning to those who are goading the North towards secession. If you agree with my views, then I hope that in course of our deliberations tonight, you will endorse them, to enable me to publicize them in the Press. In my opinion, the Northerners are perfectly entitled to consider whether or not they should secede from the indissoluble union which nature has formed between it and the South, but it would be calamitous to the corporate existence of the North should the clamour for secession prevail. I, therefore, counsel Northern leaders to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of secession before embarking upon this dangerous course. This is Zik admitting that the North is entitled to decide whether they were to secede or not secede. 3 Likes |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 2:03pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
[b] As one who was born in the North, I have a deep spiritual attachment to that part of the country, but it would be a capital political blunder if the North should break away from the South. The latter is in a better position to make rapid constitutional advance, so that if the North should become truncated from the South, it would benefit both Southerners and Northerners who are domiciled in the South more than their kith and kin who are domiciled in the North. There are seven reasons for my holding to this view. Secession by the North may lead to internal political convulsion there when it is realized that militant nationalists and their organizations, like the NLPU, the Askianist Movement, and the Middle Zone League, have aspirations for self-government in 1956 identical with those of their Southern compatriots. It may lead to justifiable demands for the right of self-determination by non-Muslims, who form the majority of the population in the so- called ‘Pagan’ provinces, like Benue, Ilorin, Kabba, Niger and Plateau, not to mention the claims of non-Muslims who are domiciled in Adamawa and Bauchi Provinces. [/b] Here is Zik trying to persuade the North to stay in Nigeria by presenting a gloomy picture of what an independent Arewa republic would look like. He was using the scary tactics to plead to the North to see that her interests were better safe guarded in a United Nigeria. 3 Likes |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 2:07pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
[b] It may lead to economic nationalism in the Eastern Region, which can pursue a policy of blockade of the North, by refusing it access to the sea, over and under the River Niger, except upon payment of tolls. It may lead to economic warfare between the North on the one hand, and the Eastern or Western regions on the other, should they decide to fix protective tariffs which will make the use of the ports of the Last and West uneconomic for the North. The North may be rich in mineral resources and certain cash crops, but that is no guarantee that it would be capable of growing sufficient food crops to enable it to feed its teeming millions, unlike the East and the West. Secession may create hardship for Easterners and Westerners who are domiciled in the North, since the price of food crops to be imported into the North from the South is bound to be very high and to cause an increase in the cost of living. Lastly, it will endanger the relations with their neighbours of millions of Northerners who are domiciled in the East and West and Easterners and Westerners who reside in the North. [/b] Zik continued talking on the demerits of an independent Arewa while playing down on the merits. This is the typical scaremongering tactics of a diplomat aimed at goading others with opposite opinions into their own positions. 3 Likes |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 2:11pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
You may ask me whether there would be a prospect of civil war, if the North decided to secede? My answer would be that it is a hypothetical question which only time can answer. In any case, the plausible cause of a civil war might be a dispute as to the right of passage on the River Niger, or the right of flight over the territory of the Eastern or Western Region; but such disputes can be settled diplomatically, instead of by force. Notice that both Zik and Eastern region had no plans of using military force to force the North into Nigerian union, should diplomacy fail. Zik was already talking about possible issues of conflict that might arise between an independent Arewa and Independent East or West. Like the River Niger issue, like Egypt is having with Sudan and the rest of East Africa over River Nile. The cause of Civil war won't be plans to force the North back into Nigeria. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by shukuokukobambi: 2:12pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
pazienza: ![]() ![]() ![]() So according to your own fact finding, its an incontrovertible fact that Awolowo insisted that "the right to secession" be enshrined in the constitution? Let's agree that the british thwarted his effort. Now, why would he do that if he wanted badly to be in bed with Ahmadu Bello and his family? Now see excerpts of Azikiwe's speech In my opinion, the Northerners are perfectly entitled to consider whether or not they should secede from the indissoluble union which nature has formed between it and the South, but it would be calamitous to the corporate existence of the North should the clamour for secession prevail. I, therefore, counsel Northern leaders to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of secession before embarking upon this dangerous course. From the above, zik called Nigeria an INDISSOLUBLE union. Do you need a dictionary to explain what that word in bold means? No wonder zik was screaming one Nigeria while his allies were wasting 3million of his relatives. He wanted Nigeria more than the lives of his family. Why that is we might never know From the above, zik was counseling(advising) Ahmadu Bello and his Fulani herdsmen not to secede. Why? What benefit did he hope to gain from them? From the above, we can infer, conclude and affirm that both Yoruba and Hausa/Fulani wanted out of Nigeria 7 years before independence but Zik of Africa was firmly pro Nigerian. Why then do these eternal crybabies vent the frustration arising from the myopia of their leaders on Yoruba people? Was zik stupid? Was he mad? Was he ignorant of the tendency of the Hausa/Fulani to murder at will even from the massacres of ibo in Jos of 1945 & Kano of 1953? Why did zik insist on begging the Fulani herdsmen to stay in Nigeria even when they wanted an international border between them and ibo people? Why did zik love Hausa people so much he begged them to stay when Awo was insisting against it? From the above, who wanted to remain with the northerners? Who claimed an indissoluble Union with the sons of uthman Dan fodio? Zik or Awo? 8 Likes |
Re: . by SuperS1Panther: 2:16pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
By Henry Chukwuemeka Onyema That put to the bed the fallacy of the lying Osus. 5 Likes |
Re: . by shukuokukobambi: 2:22pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
pazienza: ![]() ![]() ![]() Hausa wanted to go and starve to death if possible but their eternal lovers, the ibo, begged and pleaded with them.to stay in Nigeria where their survival was sure but guess what? They now blame Awo and Yoruba for the insistence of the Hausa/Fulani not to renegotiate that Union that zik called indissoluble 64 years ago! ![]() They blame Yoruba for refusing to contribute human sacrifice to free them from.the bondage they begged and pleaded to enter in 1953! ![]() 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 2:27pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
shukuokukobambi: Everyone, both Zik and Awolowo and Arewa knew that to the British, Nigeria is indissoluble. The British made it clear that the Nigerian union was indissoluble. Any one who wanted to leave must challenge the British squarely. It's stupid for the Yolobas to not blame Awolowo for his cowardice of not standing against British but instead cowering to their resolve, only to end up blaming Zik who never stopped Awolowo or the North from secession, but only reminded them of the indissoluble state of the union, a fact the rest of them already knew. Zik was an Igbo man born in the North. He felt a United Nigeria then was better, and he made his opinion known, but he never stood on the way of any way group that wished to challenge the British by breaking away from the region, he merely reminded them of the challenges they might face in secession. That Zik as an Igbo leader felt the Nigerian union as of then was better for Ndiigbo, does not mean that Igbo leaders later or even Zik himself can not decide in a later date that the Nigerian union wasn't good enough again for Ndiigbo, after all neither Zik nor Ndiigbo stood on the way of Arewa or Odua when they wanted secession. 5 Likes |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 2:32pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
This whole Yoloba cheap blackmail will only stand if only Zik and Ndiigbo stopped Awolowo from secession from the Nigerian state in any shape or form. The truth of the matter was that Awolowo enquiry for secession was killed prematurely by Lyttleton, who told him the union was indissoluble, a fact Awolowo knew before hand, And yet enquired of, and cowered before the British when he got his answer. Its shameful for Yolobas to come out decades latter to place the blame of Awolowo cowardice on Zik. If Awolowo decided to defy the British by continuing in his secession demand/Pursuit and Zik/Ndiigbo ganged up with the British to force Awolowo and Yolobas back to the union, then the Yolobas would have a point. But as stands, Yolobas have no point. Zik was pro Nigeria, but he was not going to use any means beyond diplomacy to convince any group to stay in Nigeria. He wasn't going to fight a civil war to keep any group in Nigeria. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by shukuokukobambi: 2:36pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
pazienza: ![]() ![]() ![]() Awo should have taken up arms against queen Elizabeth at the constitutional conference held in London. He should have just entered the house of lords with a sword like a samurai and slaughtered every baga there until they agree to the secession clause that Zik, the Fulani lover, was vehemently against ![]() Abeg, keep on blaming Awo. Your biabia republic is on its way on that route surely ![]() 10 Likes |
Re: . by SuperS1Panther: 2:43pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
This is the greatest Osu man, Zik himself, talking aboout insertion of secession clause in the constitution muted by Awolowo: NN: If I may take you on. The principle of what you supported is being vindicated alright. But what actually happened in practice? People say that NCNC was vehemently opposed to the creation of what are now the Cross River and Rivers States. In other words there seems to be a contradiction between principles and practice. Awo moved the idea, Ahmadu Bello was in agreement, all what was required then was for Zik to accede and the secession clause would have been inserted forever. In their usual lack of foresight and greediness he had a contrary view, which came to hunt him and kinsmen 12years later and it is still hunting them till today. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 2:44pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
shukuokukobambi: Did Zik stand on Awolowo path to secession? Zik had no say on the secession. clause. Lyttleton made it obvious that it was not open for discuss. The lies Yolobas Fed themselves before now was that it was Zik that stood against the secession clause insertion. But we always knew it was lyletton, the British representative. As the British made it clear that secession was not an option. The only path open for Awolowo was armed struggle. Awolowo knew this and chickened out like a coward. Zik made it clear that he won't be part of effort to force any group to be part of Nigeria by force. Anything beyond diplomacy was not for him. If Awolowo took up arm struggle for secession from Nigeria against the British and Zik/Ndiigbo stood on his way by means of serving as foot soldiers for the British, then you would have a point. But this your twisted logic of laying the cowardice of Awolowo on Zik and Igbo head, will not stand. It was simply brought in death. 6 Likes |
Re: . by SuperS1Panther: 2:47pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
pazienza: You are a liar. Zik in his own voice stated clearly he opposed the idea of secession when the North moved the idea and when Awo did. 8 Likes |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 2:53pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
In 1953 the NPC under the leadership of my good friend, the late Sardauna, threatened to secede from the federation unless their 6-point proposals were adhered to. I had to use personal diplomacy. We had been personal friends since 1940. So, I saw Sir Ahmadu Bello and prevailed upon him that the unity of this country was greater than himself and myself and the other people too helped so that the North shifted grounds and agreed and so the country was saved. That was in 1953. Diplomacy!Diplomacy!!Diplomacy!!! Put it into your Yoloba skull. Zik never used force to force any group into the Nigerian union. He never stood on any groups way. He used Diplomacy, which involved looking out the issues triggering the demand for secession by the group, and sorting them out The North wanted a Nigeria they controlled totally or they secede. That was eventually what Zik gave them. He was willing to concede power to the North to placate them and make Nigeria union palatable to them. Bad idea? maybe on hindsight, but it emphasizes the insincerity of those who want to hold unto power today, why chanting one Nigeria. The dishonesty of those who care not to meet the demands of those who want secession today, the shame of those who prefer the power of gun to the power of Diplomacy in keeping a nation United and progressive. 6 Likes |
Re: . by shukuokukobambi: 2:54pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
pazienza: Your disingenuity is horrible!! What do you think would have happened if Zik, Awo and Bello had spoken with one voice to that British officer and insisted on the seccesion clause in the constitution? After all, how did they get the British to agree to independence? Was it not by insisting on it? Was it armed struggle that gave birth to independence or negotiations by educated men who agreed? Why was zik so.myopic despite the evidence of 1945 and 1953 massacres of his relatives by the same folks he begged for an alliance? If Nigeria was indissoluble according to zik, why then are you now disturbing the country with your ipob and massob nonsense? has it stopped being indissoluble today? Has the secession clause being smuggled into the constitution? Anyway, I'm happy about something: you confessed that zik pleaded with the northerners to stay and of course proceed to form an alliance for power with them and we know how much that benefited you 9 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: . by shukuokukobambi: 2:56pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
SuperS1Panther: ![]() ![]() ![]() Just leave him in his dance of shame ![]() I never knew the yeeboe people love the Hausa/Fulani with such an eternal love. So Fulani wanted out but yeeboe people begged them to stay? ![]() God bless Awolowo ![]() 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: . by pazienza(m): 2:58pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
SuperS1Panther: Where is the quote, from a non Yoloba/neutral/Igbo source. Zik was anti secession. But he never had any power to stop any region from secession if the region so wished. And he reiterated that he wasn't going to use anything beyond DIPLOMACY to keep any group in Nigeria. Zik never stopped Bamenda from secession. The only obstacle any group that intended to secede had to overcome was the British, even though Zik himself was anti secession,he wasn't an obstacle to any one hell bent on secession. 6 Likes |
Re: . by SuperS1Panther: 3:01pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
pazienza: This was Zik in his own voice: NN: If I may take you on. The principle of what you supported is being vindicated alright. But what actually happened in practice? People say that NCNC was vehemently opposed to the creation of what are now the Cross River and Rivers States. In other words there seems to be a contradiction between principles and practice. 5 Likes |
Re: . by shukuokukobambi: 3:07pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
^^^^ Imagine all the efforts Awolowo made to ensure that the constituent parts of this "mere geographical expression" had a choice? Even Bello wanted that freedom to chose but yeeboe people because of their eternal love for Hausa REFUSED and even ARGUED against it at the debate. Are you people sure Azikiwe was a true son of Igbo land? The man was more interested in Hausa/Fulani welfare even more than the Fulani themselves but of course in yeeboe logic, Awolowo and Yoruba people must be blamed ![]() 6 Likes |
Re: . by CliffordOrji: 3:08pm On Mar 11, 2017 |
May nnamdi azikiwe and emeka ojukwu, both of cursed memories, rot in the hottest; darkest; and deepest part of Hell Fire, with snakes and scorpions as their companionsy. They brought to we Igbos the calamity we have been suffering from since 1966 6 Likes |
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