SuperS1Panther:


Actually you did. If not you will not be mixing up Ilorin with Kwara in your warped simpleton mind.

Kathmandu:
that's the beauty of owning a thread

samuelgodson:
hmmmm afonja idiot

SuperS1Panther:


I am sure the Osus and Ojukwus have threatened you, that is why you removed the title.

pazienza:


This is what I agree on:

"...We also captured Ilorin, killed their local King
and installed our Fulani Emir. We took that ancient
town away from the barbarian Yoruba and their
filthy pagan gods. We liberated all these places
and all these people by imposing Islam on them by
force. It was either the Koran or the sword, and
most of them chose the Koran..."

I know you do agree with me. Hehe!

SuperS1Panther:


The same way we lost Oyigbo (formely known by us as Obigbo) and our fathers' properties in PH.

Mind you kwara is a state and not a town or city. Read up, product of miracle centre SSCE holder.

TimeManager:
Obigbo is forever lost while ilorin forever remains a Yoruba name with a Yoruba meaning/etymology(ilo-irin; a place of grinding- iron)
Truth is talking!

In 1953 when Northern Nigerians were beginning to consider secession from the Nigerian colony that would soon be a nation, Nnamdi Azikiwe gave a speech before the caucus of his political party, the National Council of Nigeria and the Cameroons (NCNC) in Yaba, Nigeria on May 12, 1953. That speech, while not disallowing secession, suggested that there would be grave consequences if the Northern region became an independent nation.

I have invited you to attend this caucus because I would like you to make clear our stand on the issue of secession. As a party, we would have preferred Nigeria to remain intact, but lest there be doubt as to our willingness to concede to any shade of political opinion the right to determine its policy, I am obliged to issue a solemn warning to those who are goading the North towards secession. If you agree with my views, then I hope that in course of our deliberations tonight, you will endorse them, to enable me to publicize them in the Press.

In my opinion, the Northerners are perfectly entitled to consider whether or not they should secede from the indissoluble union which nature has formed between it and the South, but it would be calamitous to the corporate existence of the North should the clamour for secession prevail. I, therefore, counsel Northern leaders to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of secession before embarking upon this dangerous course.

As one who was born in the North, I have a deep spiritual attachment to that part of the country, but it would be a capital political blunder if the North should break away from the South. The latter is in a better position to make rapid constitutional advance, so that if the North should become truncated from the South, it would benefit both Southerners and Northerners who are domiciled in the South more than their kith and kin who are domiciled in the North.

There are seven reasons for my holding to this view. Secession by the North may lead to internal political convulsion there when it is realized that militant nationalists and their organizations, like the NLPU, the Askianist Movement, and the Middle Zone League, have aspirations for self-government in 1956 identical with those of their Southern compatriots. It may lead to justifiable demands for the right of self-determination by non-Muslims, who form the majority of the population in the so-called ‘Pagan’ provinces, like Benue, Ilorin, Kabba, Niger and Plateau, not to mention the claims of non-Muslims who are domiciled in Adamawa and Bauchi Provinces.

It may lead to economic nationalism in the Eastern Region, which can pursue a policy of blockade of the North, by refusing it access to the sea, over and under the River Niger, except upon payment of tolls. It may lead to economic warfare between the North on the one hand, and the Eastern or Western regions on the other, should they decide to fix protective tariffs which will make the use of the ports of the Last and West uneconomic for the North.

The North may be rich in mineral resources and certain cash crops, but that is no guarantee that it would be capable of growing sufficient food crops to enable it to feed its teeming millions, unlike the East and the West. Secession may create hardship for Easterners and Westerners who are domiciled in the North, since the price of food crops to be imported into the North from the South is bound to be very high and to cause an increase in the cost of living. Lastly, it will endanger the relations with their neighbours of millions of Northerners who are domiciled in the East and West and Easterners and Westerners who reside in the North.

You may ask me whether there would be a prospect of civil war, if the North decided to secede? My answer would be that it is a hypothetical question which only time can answer. In any case, the plausible cause of a civil war might be a dispute as to the right of passage on the River Niger, or the right of flight over the territory of the Eastern or Western Region; but such disputes can be settled diplomatically, instead of by force.

Nevertheless, if civil war should become inevitable at this stage of our progress as a nation, then security considerations must be borne in mind by those who are charged with the responsibility of government of the North and the South. Military forces and installations are fairly distributed in all the three regions; if that is not the case, any of the regions can obtain military aid from certain interested Powers. It means that we cannot preclude the possibility of alliance with certain countries.

You may ask me to agree that if the British left Nigeria to its fate, the Northerners would continue their uninterrupted march to the sea, as was prophesied six years ago? My reply is that such an empty threat is devoid of historical substance and that so far as I know, the Eastern Region has never been subjugated by any indigenous African invader. At the price of being accused of overconfidence, I will risk a prophecy and say that, other things being equal, the Easterners will defend themselves gallantly, if and when they are invaded.

Let me take this opportunity to warn those who are making a mountain out of the molehill of the constitutional crisis to be more restrained and constructive. The dissemination of lies abroad; the publishing of flamboyant headlines about secessionist plans, and the goading of empty-headed careerists with gaseous ideas about their own importance in tile scheme of things in the North is being overdone in certain quarters. I feel that these quarters must be held responsible for any breach between the North and South, which nature had indissolubly united in a political, social and economic marriage of convenience. In my personal opinion, there is no sense in the North breaking away or the East or the West breaking away; it would be better if all the regions would address themselves to the task of crystallizing common nationality, irrespective of the extraneous influences at work. What history has joined together let no man put asunder. But history is a strange mistress which can cause strange things to happen!

Sources:

Nnamdi Azikiwe, Zik: A Selection from the Speeches of Nnamdi Azikiwe, Governor-General of the Federation of Nigeria formerly President of the Nigerian Senate formerly Premier of the Eastern Region of Nigeria (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1961).

pazienza:


Lol! You wish!

My Igbo brothers need not interfere on my case with you lots. Most of them peeped in and saw that I was dealing with you lots and they all left.

In any form of combat, physical or intellectual, one Igbo is worth 3 Arewa-oduanistanis.

They know I'm more than capable of handling you lots and still have reserves.

Hehe!

SuperS1Panther:

Slavish Osu how market?

samuelgodson:
for ur info am a full blooded ijebu boy

pazienza:
I'll be back later to provide rebuttals to any of your posts.

Till then, keep it coming.

Kathmandu:
They will fail

pazienza:


Where was the foresight in Greedy treacherous Awolowo who was screaming secession but when opportunities presented in 1966, decided to start screaming One Nigeria and was not only ready to use. diplomacy but starvation of millions if need be, because of promise of political and economic gains( The North gave him
this one via the indigenization policy that handed the Nigerian economy to him and his greedy Yoloba mafia)?

He backed Gowon's dissolution of the regions and entrenchment of dysfunctional entities called states, yet Yolobas are screaming regionalism today, where is the foresight?

Did the self acclaimed sage not grow old waiting for the Northern promised political power and became reckless and desperate when it was obvious that he had been used and dumped, culminating in his silly attempt at usurping IBB and his committing of suicide?

Where was the foresight?

OJUcrook:
What a Thread. Why did the OP not include a Thread Title?

I wish I have seen this thread earlier. But most posters have already done justice, there is nothing more to add other than the fact that Nnamdi Azikiwe was a Black Hitler in the making. He had the Satanic and greedy ambition to Lord over the whole of not only Nigeria but also Africa. He was not called Zik of Africa for nothing. He wanted a ''United States of Africa '' as much as he desperately wanted a United Nigeria. His indictment at The Forster- Sutton Tribunal and his attempt at becoming the first premier of the Western region is another eye opener into the dark heart of this covetous man

pazienza:


The curse was the greedy treacherous self acclaimed sage who labelled the colonial estate " A mere geographical expression", but was willing to starve millions to preserve it, was caught twice trying to usurp powers that be, just to rule over the geographical expression.

The cursed being that introduced tribalism into Nigerian politics, who through greed and lust for power threw his region into political turmoil.

The cursed being who took otapiapia called rat poison to end his cursed life.

We know the cursed being.

pazienza:


The curse was the greedy treacherous self acclaimed sage who labelled the colonial estate " A mere geographical expression", but was willing to starve millions to preserve it, was caught twice trying to usurp powers that be, just to rule over the geographical expression.

The cursed being that introduced tribalism into Nigerian politics, who through greed and lust for power threw his region into political turmoil.

The cursed being who took otapiapia called rat poison to end his cursed life.

We know the cursed being.

deomelo:



lmao @ Highlighted. You people no go kill pesin with your chest beating mumbo jumbo.


Let me tell you the ugly truth.

ibo people are not ready for any freedom or independence simply because you are yet to pack your load from other parts of Nigeria and move back to your towns and villages and your leaders from governors to federal ministers, directors and ambassadors are yet to resign their positions or declare biafra or filled any referendum or carry gun.


There is a difference between internet noise, cries, grumblings and actual desire for freedom back with serious diplomacy, consultations or guns and artillery.

pazienza:



Biafrans left your Arewa-oduanistan for you in 1966, our leaders then also aligned with the Biafran movement then, but it never stopped you Arewa-oduanistanis from ganging up with Arewa people, serving as foot soldiers for the British.

Been there, done that.

Biafrans will choose how to go about extracting ourselves from retrogressive union with Islamic people of Arewa-oduanistan, and we wouldn't need suggestions or opinions of Yolobas on how to go about it, especially when Yolobas are yet to map out plans on how to save Ilorin and potentially the entire Yoloboic Kwara people from Fulani subjugation.

Physician, heal yourself first.

BlakKluKluxKlan:



When a taboo or terrible curse runs in a family, it gets easily discernible because it becomes hereditary in the family. From the beggining to the end, all i could see in your post is Awo. Now, lets go down memory lane.

From the thread, we can see that rather than let the north secceed, Zik envisaged a political parley with the north that would earn him the position of a ceremonial president which he prefered to giving the south and his people emancipation from the contraption which he himself called a marriage of convenience in that speech. Now which leader worth his salt except a selfish, self-conceited traitor would prefer what he knew to be a marriage of convenience to freedom for his people ?

Sometime in the first republic, there was an election stalemate. None of the parties won enough majority to form a government but Awo's party was in the majority inspite of rigging and doctoring of results. Opportunity presented itself for Zik, the ceremonial president, to invite a party (the most glaring to political observers was Awo's party) for a coalition to form the government. Awo, though his party was the majority partner, willingly offered to give up the prime
ministership for Zik as a mark of respect for seniority in age and for the sake of the south in particular. He opted for the post of minister of finance. That was the solemn agreement between them. To everybody's chagrin and constanation, Zik announced he was inviting the NPC to form a government with his party. He didn't even as much bother to inform Awo that he has had a change of opinion.


Sardauna of Sokoto trusted Major Kaduna Nzegwu as a son but the same man turned out to be his waterloo.

Major Emma Ifeajuna solemnly sworn to an oath with his team to carry out a political cleansing of Nigeria. When he got to Sir Michael Okpara in Enugu, he suddenly remembered his tribal cleavage, turned against his team, informed the governor whats up and absconded to a neighbouring country.

J.T.U A-Ironsi had the division of Nigeria presented to him on a platter of gold when the north was shouting for secession. Again he prefered power of unitary system to his peoples' freedom.

I need not belabour you with Zik's repeat performance in the 2nd republic.

After the 1993 election debacle, your SE clan abandoned NADECO without notice for filthy lucre promised by Abacha.

Now we know where the cursed traitors of Nigeria naturally originate from, don't we ?

CliffordOrji:
This is one of the many reasons why I often say we Igbos are fools. You keep yapping about Ilorin and Afoinja. Did you know that Bukola Saraki is from Ilorin? Did you know that Bukola Saraki is a direct descendant of the real Afonja? Yet while Saraki's kinsmen were busy stoning him in the wake of his trial at the CCB, we Igbos were busy licking his shiity asshole. We were busy protesting in support of Saraki, Afonja's great great great grand child. Are we Igbo's cursed?

pazienza:


1. Well, Awolowo it was who rather than pass down to his Yoloba people the story of his cowardice to defy the British and secede, the story of his intellectual inferiority to logically win the argument of secession against Zik, decided to concoct lies that he passed down to Yolobas against Zik, which is why we are having this discussion. So, it's only pertinent that Awo actions be subjected to scrutiny, hence his numerous appearance in my replies.


2. For whatever reason it was Zik believed in Nigerian unity, and he went about making superior argument for it, and worked for it through diplomacy and negotiations/ concessions.
He was never using threat of war or death to coerce anyone into the union. Awolowo had the option of declaring independence for Yolobaland and dare the British wrath. Zik already made it clear he wouldn't use any means beyond diplomacy to keep any group in Nigeria.

pazienza:


Lol! Rented crowd.

pazienza:


1. Well, Awolowo it was who rather than pass down to his Yoloba people the story of his cowardice to defy the British and secede, the story of his intellectual inferiority to logically win the argument of secession against Zik, decided to concoct lies that he passed down to Yolobas against Zik, which is why we are having this discussion. So, it's only pertinent that Awo actions be subjected to scrutiny, hence his numerous appearance in my replies.


2. For whatever reason it was Zik believed in Nigerian unity, and he went about making superior argument for it, and worked for it through diplomacy and negotiations/ concessions.
He was never using threat of war or death to coerce anyone into the union. Awolowo had the option of declaring independence for Yolobaland and dare the British wrath. Zik already made it clear he wouldn't use any means beyond diplomacy to keep any group in Nigeria.

pazienza:


Lol! You wish!

My Igbo brothers need not interfere on my case with you lots. Most of them peeped in and saw that I was dealing with you lots and they all left.

In any form of combat, physical or intellectual, one Igbo is worth 3 Arewa-oduanistanis.

They know I'm more than capable of handling you lots and still have reserves.

Hehe!

shukuokukobambi:


You this loyal boy to afonja Bukola, have you not still seen the question below? Why are you running say from attempting it? Do you lack courage?

you agree with zik that ojukwu invited war by committing the treasonable act of secession in 1967, why are you disturbing us with ipob and massob today?

What has changed between 1953 and today with respect to the indissoluble nature of this Union as zik described and affirmed by you?

pazienza:
Sardauna of Sokoto trusted Major Kaduna Nzegwu
as a son but the same man turned out to be his
waterloo.
Major Emma Ifeajuna solemnly sworn to an oath
with his team to carry out a political cleansing of
Nigeria. When he got to Sir Michael Okpara in
Enugu, he suddenly remembered his tribal
cleavage, turned against his team, informed the
governor whats up and absconded to a
neighbouring country.

This never happened. Ifeajuna never informed Okpara of the coup. This is another of Awolowo Yoloboic falsehood propagated by Yolobas.

Okpara was entertaining a foreign visitor during the coup and so they couldn't risk injuring the foreigner in the process.

Zik was aware of the impending like most people in the government then. He was more careful and sensible than most and left the country just before the mutineers struck.

Neither Ifeajuna nor Zik admitted to sharing information about the coup amongst themselves.

Only Yolobas as usual go about spreading that falsehood in hope that the more they repeat it, the likelihood of us accepting it as the truth. You people are learners.