stonemasonn:
love and worship are not the same

Rashduct4luv:


How can you say "you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength" without worshiping Him?

Wilgrea7:


what i gave was my opinion.. if you think i don't deserve the name “christian" then so be it... the trinity is obviously a pagan invention and a way to obviously explain the nature of God... the trinity says God is three with one function... i will gladly say again that it is wrong... ask someone who does astral projection or people who know about the different planes.. our 3d plane is considered to be the lowest.. yet we try to define God based on our understanding of our plane... once you understand the idea of a supreme creator you will know that its nature cannot be explained.. so any explanation for his nature is not complete.. cuz no human mind can explain it... not even angels can.. i understand the concept of a Supreme creator... he is one... but any explanation as to how the “one" is will fail greatly

Rashduct4luv:
I Believe Islam is true because of the following reasons:

a. Islam recognizes almost all the Prophets in Christianity and Judaism, Allah gave the religion a name in the Qur'an, Allah also gave His book the name Qur'an, unlike other religions.
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b. Islam encourages the worship of only one God Allah! without joining partners to Him in His worship, attributes, names and Lordship!
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c. The connection between a believer and Allah is direct. We don't need any third person or intermediary between us and Allah!

stonemasonn:
If someone worships you he doesn't really love you, he either fears you or is awed by you.

Junia:


All the prophets
Isaiah 9:6 : “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

Isaiah 53:3-7 “He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.”

Do you consider Isaiah as a prophet ?? ..
If Yes then check yourself well

Zechariah 9:9 : “Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.”

Having salvation. Thats Jesus for you.
Do you believe in Zechariah also ??

Rashduct4luv:
Some of the Prophets in Islam

1 Adam - The first human who was sent to Earth.
2 Idris (Enoch)
3 Nuh (Noah)
4 Hud
5 Saleh
6 Ibrahim (Abraham)
7 Lut (Lot)
8 Ismail (Ishmael)
9 Ishaq (Isaac)
10 Yaqub (Jacob)
11 Yusuf (Joseph)
12 Shuaib
13 Musa (Moses)
14 Harun (Aaron)
15 Daud (David)
16 Sulayman (Solomon)
17 Ayub (Job)
18 Ilyas (Elijah)
19 Dhul-kifl
20 Al-Yasa (Elisha)
21 Yunus (Jonah)
22 Zakariya (Zechariah)
23 Yahya (John)
24 Isa (Jesus)
25 Mohammed(saws)
Peace be upon all of them.
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As you can see for yourself, theres no mention of Isiah in the Qur'an but Zachariya was mentioned. Mind you, i said almost all the Prophets...

Wilgrea7:


what i gave was my opinion.. if you think i don't deserve the name “christian" then so be it... the trinity is obviously a pagan invention and a way to obviously explain the nature of God... the trinity says God is three with one function... i will gladly say again that it is wrong... ask someone who does astral projection or people who know about the different planes.. our 3d plane is considered to be the lowest.. yet we try to define God based on our understanding of our plane... once you understand the idea of a supreme creator you will know that its nature cannot be explained.. so any explanation for his nature is not complete.. cuz no human mind can explain it... not even angels can.. i understand the concept of a Supreme creator... he is one... but any explanation as to how the “one" is will fail greatly

Junia:

John ??
John said Jesus was God
Do you believe in him ??

Demmzy15:
Are you a JW?

Demmzy15:
Cc Wilgrea7, is this true?

Wilgrea7:


right now i hold the view that Jesus is not God the father.... he is divine... above all angels... but not God... i don't understand his level of existence so i can't explain his divinity... neither can i explain God the father, creator of all

Demmzy15:
That's very nice, we've encountered each other before on the issue of cousin marriages. So what exactly do you find contradictory with the Muslim perception of God?

Wilgrea7:


well.... firstly, my problem is with almost everything.. if you've noticed, there was a brief period of time i attacked muslims here on nl... but later on i stopped cuz i didn't know much about Islam per say and i wanted to watch the argument from 2 angles.. the life and story of Muhammad doesn't seem solid and very much “prophet-like" to me(no offence intended)... i don't believe a book can ever be the word of an all supreme creator... the book may be inspired... yes.. contains instructions to particular people... yes... but not the word.. i don't also see the coherency between the muslim God and the muslim and Christian God so i don't believe them to be one and the same.... in summary, the Muslim God doesn't really fit into my perception of an all supreme creator... but its my personal opinion tho.. also, Islam isn't really flexible in some aspects like law, rule etc... i love muslims... i don't have any beef with Islam generally... as long as they agree with the whole live and lets live policy

Demmzy15:
OK! If only you can delve into Islam yourself, I can help you with materials if you want.

Demmzy15:
Cc Wilgrea7, is this true?

Junia:

John ??
John said Jesus was God
Do you believe in him ??

Rashduct4luv:

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I don't believe he said such!
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But in the Bible Jesus said" Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist... Mathew 11:11

Junia:

Who is The Word

What sort of question is that? How can a word be someone?

Demmzy15:
What sort of question is that? How can a word be someone?

Spartacuss:


They can't both be wrong

Junia:

What did John mean by ... and The Word was God

Junia:

Ask John ... lol
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Demmzy15:
That's according to your bible and besides this book wasn't written by John the Baptist, because virtually most bible scholars rejected it being attributed to him. The likely write is "John the Evangelist" who was born in 15AD(after supposed crucifixion).

otemanuduno:
There was actually a past world where many things happened. Then the period of homo sapiens began and the WORD(histories from the past) became gods to many people(the sheep).

Junia:

Keep yours Otem. I don't need it

otemanuduno:
This sheep is scared

May I never be sheepish like the sheep. Realmindz, how about you? Are you still a sheep?

Junia:

Im scared that you are lost. I know the truth. You think yours is the truth right ?? That is why your god has made you alone perish. The lie is with you alone. Keep it. I dont need it.
Thank You

DOCTUFOS:
Bishuak 12: 1-2
Chapter Twelve
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I have sat down to compare the gods of findings with the gods of religions and I know that the gods of religions are nothing near the gods of finding. For the gods of religion are wicked and merciless, but the gods of findings are righteous and truthful.
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And the gods of religions are jealous and proud, but the gods of findings are good-mannered and meek. For the gods of findings have made it possible for the homos to access the content of their heads without knowing or worshipping them.