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Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by davidif: 4:19pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
irynterri: So how is building in a desert the same thing as building on the Atlantic ocean? Besides, based on 50 plus years of evidence, what makes you think this country can "tackle" any problem? |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by Nobody: 4:20pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
LRNZH:Ogun river flooding was caused by eko Atlantic project bah? I think VI that is adjacent to the project should have been submerged before the shanties you showed nah. I think Ogunpa flooding in Ibadan too was caused by Eko Atlantic. "Ode Oshi" enemy of progress. 4 Likes |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by anonimi: 4:32pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
PapaBrowne: The same story we were told about the Lekki Concession company until they bought back the rights prematurely. The same story we were told about the Sunborn yacht before the Association of ProgreTHIEF Criminals, APC were forced to admit it was a bad business deal. How much longer before JagaBandit & co will admit the scam that is Eko Atlantic anonimi: 1 Like |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by bassette(m): 4:36pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
Man2utd:not forgetting Oyo state with focus on Ibadan...I was in Ife sometime last year and was so disappointed..no development at all just low key lifestyle..and sincerely I came to the conclusion that people build places. But what would make people migrate to a place..promise or likelihood of better living. Akwa ibom and Abuja are testimonies to this. So you keep wondering why other state govts aren't doing the best they can no matter how little to develop their own states.nobody says it has to be like Lagos,but make it eco business friendly. I feel politicians are just wicked if u ask me..it's a whole lot of work yes but isn't that why you aspired to be there in the first place... 1 Like |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by mokoshalb(m): 4:38pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
mmsen:this is the comment I was looking for on this thread.... I thought am the only one who noticed that...I see Africa not progressing.. Not because of anything but that word you mentioned "SELF-HATRED" we always quick to turn down our things..bro imagine if a Japanese makes a small gadget even if its useless we as Africans praise it and even go extra miles to purchase it.. But if someone from any Africa country does same, the first thing an African will think of is the bad side of it.. And will do all sort of things to bring it down... Thanks for that observation.. Am glad am not the only one.. 7 Likes |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by mpowa(m): 4:50pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
Man2utd:This is very True. Ogun state government have not been responsible, not that Lagos is perfect, but the roads in Ogun are worse. A lot of companies, estates and big churches are built in Ogun, just because they can't get land in Lagos and the government is sleeping, they can't see how to keep pace with Lagos and increase their development faster. 1 Like |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by djlaqua91(m): 4:53pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
Wow! This brings back goosebumps. I did my BSc thesis on the implications of climate change along the eti-osa, ibeju lekki axis. I remember viewing this project as a potential environmental disaster. Good intentions, but shouldn't be a priority. |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by Rossikk(m): 4:54pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
hahn:God bless you. All Lagos needs is to fix the roads, add underground drainage with accompanying sidewalks on every street, and have a working waste disposal system. Finish. You have a world class city right there. Eko Atlantic just feels like they are running away from their problems. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by mpowa(m): 4:59pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
hardbody: Guy, you must love horror film, why are you scaring us Na! |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by heo88(m): 5:03pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
LRNZH: Bro you speak plenty sense. The challenge with the 4th mainland bridge being prioritised ahead of Eko Atlantic is that the latter has great potential for kickbacks/bribes than the former (which has reportedly been signed off and will cost a lot less to execute). Also the 'smoke and mirror's' element to it, also makes it more attractive to the most influential stakeholders; effectively the thinking is 'style over substance'. Hopefully, the long-term effect isn't disastrous. 1 Like |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by giles14(m): 5:03pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
Amberon:Lagos is sinking n we are drilling for oil. |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by Rossikk(m): 5:03pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
beatzone:True. If Ghana was the one building this thing, many here would be praising them to kingdom come, and condemning Naija. We grow up in this culture that says we can't do anything right as a nation. Time to ditch that culture. 2 Likes |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by matrixme(m): 5:06pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
obailala:I wonder o. Who would leave such a massive project to mere chance, considering its hefty financial benefit? I learnt that a 25 year research projection had been carried out to determine the safety of the island, given worst conditions of ocean surge. Leave the American journalist to be dabbling into the unknown waters of civil engineering. They really don't like good news from this part of the world though. 2 Likes |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by AreaFada2: 5:06pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
scachy: You know in 9ja when you criticise, you're called hater. It would be a good futuristic idea if only we were used to doing things up to the standards of other countries. But we cut corners at every level. Lagos does not lack land. There's plenty of land around Ikorodu. Lagos & Ogun could have partnered to create space for a new city on dry land, bringing private investors. The amount of money used to reclaim land in the ocean alone, imagine what it would do in dry land. An embankment to protect old Lagos could have done in phases. I think our leaders in 9ja are obsessed with elitism. They want an exclusive posh area for themselves. Because how many Lagosians can afford to live in Eko Atlantic city? Once the construction is over most of jobs generated initially will reduce drastically. It will be Like Ikoyi/VI/Banana Island for the elite, with 90% of workers commuting to work for them from the Mainland. 3 Likes |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by hahn(m): 5:06pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
Rossikk: @ emboldened couldn't closer to the truth Why not invest in places like Ajegunle, Ikorodu etc build world class drainage systems, remove agberos from the street, invest in tech etc instead of this white elephant project 2 Likes |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by heo88(m): 5:19pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
obailala: Yes you're definitely right in that the imperative for the Great Wall of Lagos was to mitigate the ever-increasing risk of flooding, owing to Lagos being a coastal city. Nevertheless, whether one is a marine engineer/versed in the subject or not, it doesn't take much to work out that the excess water which would have led to flooding, has to be displaced to another location. The expert from OP's extract may well be right in that depending on the flow of excess water, this could be displaced to another part of Lagos (think Ibeju-Lekki axis/Ajah/parts of Lekki etc.) or even other parts of Nigeria (gulf of Guinea- Rivers state, Delta, Akwa Ibom, Bayelsa etc.) and if Nigeria is unaffected, consider other African countries that may be affected like Ghana (Accra backs off onto the Atlantic Ocean), Sierra Leone, Togo, Benin, Cameroon, Angola etc. With regards to assessing the potential pitfalls, whilst a considerable sum of money has gone into this project, there are no guarantees beyond reasonable doubt that this project will work. I had a meeting with Ronald Chagoury Jr (the son of Ron Sr, not his brother as the report erroneously suggests) back in October 2015 in London. I was trying to hustle funds to make an investment in one of the units, I believe in the Eko Tower and I was doing my due diligence to be sure of whether or not it would be a worthwhile investment. Ronald himself said that he can't give a 100% guarantee of the project being effective in the very long-run, but by his estimations (from a non-expert perspective) he thinks that all residents on Eko Atlantic and VI will be safe for at least 70 years. Beyond this period, he can't be sure. Without rambling on anymore, I'll say to anyone that is willing to listen that many of these expert/non-expert opinions should be taken with a firm pinch of salt. I have been involved and privy to a number of Nigerian projects over the past 5 years and I'll tell you that there are many, many people that are making mouth about their level of insight and expertise. When all is said and done, many have been made to look like idiots, and many so-called experts have been found out. Many a person is "making it up as they go along". Make of the above what you will. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by hermosa7: 5:29pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
LRNZH: Don't condemn a well thought out project because of a single write-up. 2 Likes |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by Agili: 5:47pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
Listen everyone, Real-life experiences that one can allude to being a direct / indirect impact of this project exists. Go to Elegushi Beach and Alpha Beach, they practically have no more beach and all the buildings that were initially way in are now threatened. Alpha Beach coast from 2012 to 2017 has lost as much as a kilometer stretch. Last year alone (2016) there were 4 ocean surges into Atlantic View Estate, Okun Alfa village up to Admiralty estate that displaced thousands of people. one life was lost in Atlantic view Estate fro Drowning in the sea water that surged in. Pictures are online. Grief and suffering and loss still remains with the people neighboring the sea reclamation projects; people like you and I. 3 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by Agili: 5:49pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
More pictures... 1 Like
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Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by Agili: 5:50pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
more pictures...See for yourself and sermonize. 1 Like
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Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by odimbannamdi(m): 6:10pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
DeKen: And do u really think our government is ready to take the proactive step of building the walls before a dark cloud looms? 1 Like |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by obailala(m): 6:20pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
heo88:Of course no prediction on the forces of nature is 100% accurate so therefore, no engineering project which depends on the prediction of the forces of nature can be 100% guaranteed. From earthquake resistant high-rise buildings to offshore oil and gas structures to subsea pipelines etc, the design of all these make use of historic natural data (seismic data, metocean data etc) and at the end of the day, whatever results the engineers get from their analysis is nothing more than just 'intelligent guesstimates.' Even the 70 years which the Chagoury guy told you may turn out to be 70 months, or maybe 70 days, or even 70 hours. But then, we can't really say because we dont have 100% assurance, then we wouldn't embark on these projects; we can only work within the limits of our knowledge while we remain optimistic. Regarding the Eko Atlantic project again, the entire V.I which is Nigeria's commercial and economic powerhouse was under a rapidly unfolding threat; something had to be done, and it had to be done urgently. Whilst this may sound unreasonable, I can assure you the stakeholders/powers that be would be much more willing to sacrifice Ibeju-Lekki or Ajah to the 'sea gods' than to sacrifice the already developed economic hub V.I. 2 Likes |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by obioraval(m): 6:21pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
obailala: Perfect analysis. Eko Atlantic is actually a barrier. 1 Like |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by Nobody: 6:29pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
mmsen: What do u mean by secure? Calabar is anything but secure. Subsequent governments after DonaldbDuke have failed woefully to develop calabar. Calabar is a place where u spend money, but no means to generate it especially for local indigenes. There has to be a balance. Calabar has near zero industrialization, poor human resource development and the natives especially the efiks mostly sold their assets like land and businesses in tge previous generation. Most rich folks in calabar are northern cross riverians or they come from other states. Then the allure of the flashy life at state housing and Marian pushes jobless youth's into crime. Even the state government has a very poor internal revenue structure, with DOPT burdening helpless drivers. Evil tax structure causing unnecessarily high prices beyond the reach of most consumers...except for the festive seasons and the poor maintenance of state facilities and security drive visitors away with visits reducing gradually each year. Imagine a headlining artiste at calabar festival kiss Daniel being robbed and almost stabbed...what does that say of the state? Calabar as a city is in a deep socio economic mess 3 Likes |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by Earth2Metahuman: 6:34pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
okwyee:how does it over rule my assertion that we have been fighting nature since we arrived? Dinosaurs couldn't fight nature, they are dead, we r still here. 1 Like |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by klassic(m): 6:41pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
Amberon: There are lots of them just that they don't seem to care and Lagos that cares does not want to lose. If there is a lite speed rail from ota to oshodi/apapa towards island or connecting to the other major rail from badagry to ajah/epe, the problem is Lagos traffic is solved. Cos many people will relocate from yaba, ajao, isolo and environs to mile 2. Even if I work on the island, I see no point paying millions in rent when I could live in ota and from ota to oshodi by rail is 35-50mins. Neither should I live in ajah or lekki and suffer when I can live in a serene and comfortable estate with little less or even owe the building self. Well if the Govt of Oyo and Ogun especially Ogun is ready to benefit from the overflows in Lagos and steal the show in few months , she can but are they ready? |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by Earth2Metahuman: 6:45pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
hahn:you are one of the few people I admire on nairaland, so it will be a plus if you r yoruba. Its all good sha. |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by baralatie(m): 6:49pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by hahn(m): 6:50pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
Earth2Metahuman: I grew up among Yorubas sha so I am an ibile by association 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by scachy(m): 7:20pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
AreaFada2:Nah so |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by heo88(m): 7:24pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
obailala: I couldn't put the above any better! |
Re: A 5-Mile Island Built to Save Lagos’s Economy Has a Fatal Design Flaw by wunderkiind(m): 7:33pm On Mar 20, 2017 |
Not fair. Lalasticlala, I posted this thread first. See here? https://www.nairaland.com/3691449/flaw-construction-eko-atlantic-island 1 Like |
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