The way guys analyse football here is like watching a comedy show

Raumdeuter, seriously "Ezillu community secondary school"

Ho Christ

Baba, u dey make me enjoy reading ya comments jarii

Ibime:


No it's not. Makeleles tackle rate was very low at Chelsea. Makelele only made 114 tackles in 144 EPL matches, less than 1 per game

https://www.premierleague.com/players/2454/player/stats

Now if you are talking Makelele at Madrid, he made higher no of tackles because he was the only defensive player and all his actions were to stop counterattacks which meant more last ditch tackling. At Chelsea, he was in a controlled midfield where he would just control space until you run into a cul-de-sac and lose possession.

Also what is the difference between making 0.8 tackles per game and 1.7 tackles per game?

Does a jambody player like Wanyama look like somebody that needs to tackle you when he can just shade you off the ball? Do you know that almost every time a player of Wanyamas size goes to ground to make a tackle, he gets a yellow card?

Force = MA. It is the mass in that equation that makes big players not to accelerate into tackles otherwise it would be construed as violent play.

It is small players like Kante and Gueye that need to go to ground to win the ball cos they can't do it by strength. That's why I said no of tackles is an indication of your style of play, nothing more.

Wanyama also tackles but not as much as kante, because dembele is not sleeping. In fact dembele has won more tackles than all of them. However kante lost more tackles than wanyama. My point here is that you cant relegate tackles as a dm. As you rightly stated makalele didnt do much of tackles at chelsea, cos he wasn't the sole pivot then. He had 82% of successful tackles, which is well above average in effectiveness. The primary responsiblity of a dm is to shield his defence, by way of tackles, interceptions, defensive positioning etc. A dm playing against an attacking side like barca cant do without tackling because you have attackers who are skillful and will always take you on. Even in the link you posted, tackle is no. 1 on that defensive stat and any dm who cant do above average in it is not a great dm. Makalele and co did.

raumdeuter:


airmark see your useless yeye life outside wey dem dey use play merrybet.

whatever you refuse to learn in secondary school will be forcefed to you in your old age

See ibime teaching you Force = mass X acceleration. This is what you should have learnt in JSS2

You are a disgrace to Nigerian educatio

Apari werey, stuffs always fly over your bald skull. My point is tackle is essential in rating a dm. Makalele had 82% so can you see how dull you are? I was expecting tackles not to be part of the stats used to evaluate makalele in ibime's link, but it was used. You just jumped stvpidly into matters beyond your grasp.

raumdeuter:
“IF I have to make a tackle then I have already made a mistake.”- Paolo Maldini.

That's why martins sodomised him easily. Is there any player without mistakes on the field? You be mumu, his statement has nothing to do with relegating tackles. You or your team mates can make a mistake and you need to make that tackle to save that moment. Your ability to rise up to such occasion will be applauded.

airmark:

That's why martins sodomised him easily. Is there any player without mistakes on the field? You be mumu, his statement has nothing to do with relegating tackles. You or your team mates can make a mistake and you need to make that tackle to save that moment. Your ability to rise up to such occasion will be applauded.

[img]http://m0.sportsjoe.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/12121226/Messi-tackle.gif [/img]

EVeryone more knowledgeable and smarter than you is saying something you are doing stronghead like Danfo without brake

Maldidni is rated as the best defender of his generation when he talks I will rather listen to him than to a koranic school dropout like you

raumdeuter:


EVeryone more knowledgeable and smarter than you is saying something you are doing stronghead like Danfo without brake

Maldidni is rated as the best defender of his generation when he talks I will rather listen to him than to a koranic school dropout like you

He told you what made him to give tackles, he didnt tell you such moments wouldn't occur. Ability to rescue that moment is what makes one defender better than the other. You cant take away tackles from defensive responsibility. That parameter will always be used mumunatu .

airmark:


Wanyama also tackles but not as much as kante, because dembele is not sleeping. In fact dembele has won more tackles than all of them. However kante lost more tackles than wanyama. My point here is that you cant relegate tackles as a dm. As you rightly stated makalele didnt do much of tackles at chelsea, cos he wasn't the sole pivot then. He had 82% of successful tackles, which is well above average in effectiveness. The primary responsiblity of a dm is to shield his defence, by way of tackles, interceptions, defensive positioning etc. A dm playing against an attacking side like barca cant do without tackling because you have attackers who are skillful and will always take you on. Even in the link you posted, tackle is no. 1 on that defensive stat and any dm who cant do above average in it is not a great dm. Makalele and co did.



Apari werey, stuffs always fly over your bald skull. My point is tackle is essential in rating a dm. Makalele had 82% so can you see how dull you are? I was expecting tackles not to be part of the stats used to evaluate makalele in ibime's link, but it was used. You just jumped stvpidly into matters beyond your grasp.

82% of zero = zero.

If you offer me 50% of £1,000 or 82% of £1, I know which one I will take.

No of tackles means NOTHING in rating a DM, if not 95% of DMs would be rated better than Makelele.

This is basic common sense.

Ibime:


82% of zero = zero.

If you offer me 50% of £1,000 or 82% of £1, I know which one I will take.

No of tackles means NOTHING in rating a DM, if not 95% of DMs would be rated better than Makelele.

This is basic common sense.

Tackle success is essential here, not number of tackles bro. Makalele's 82% tackle success is very high and any dm with such too is a great dm. It's not difficult to understand.

Ibime:


82% of zero = zero.

If you offer me 50% of £1,000 or 82% of £1, I know which one I will take.

No of tackles means NOTHING in rating a DM, if not 95% of DMs would be rated better than Makelele.

This is basic common sense.

The bold is what airmark is lacking

The main thing is disposessing an opponents whether you use body speed or jazz as an attacker the main thing is getting past an opponent which is why those who celebrate dribbles are retardds like airmark

Of all the skills needed to disposses tackling is the least efficient

airmark:

A dm playing against an attacking side like barca cant do without tackling because you have attackers who are skillful and will always take you on. Even in the link you posted, tackle is no. 1 on that defensive stat and any dm who cant do above average in it is not a great dm. Makalele and co did.

You are wrong again. Playing midfield against Barcelona where you have already squeezed the space so that a Barca player cannot move 5 yards without encountering another Chelsea player negates the need for tackling too much. You defend those games by positioning and pressing.

Midfielders tackles in 2012 UCL semifinal: Barcelona 2 - Chelsea 2

Busquets - 3
Xavi - 3
Iniesta - 1

Merieles - 3
Mikel - 2
Lampard - 2

Not counting Mascherano and Ramires because they played CB and RB respectively.

Despite the heavy pressure, our midfield did not make 1 more tackle than their midfield.

If it is my job to educate this thread about such nonsense stats that some peeps have been promoting, I will do it.

Ibime:
You are wrong again. Playing midfield against Barcelona where you have already squeezed the space so that a Barca player cannot move 5 yards without encountering a Chelsea player negates the need for tackling too much. You defend those games by positioning and pressing.

Midfielders tackles in 2012 UCL semifinal: Barcelona 2 - Chelsea 2

Busquets - 3
Xavi - 3
Iniesta - 1

Merieles - 3
Mikel - 2
Lampard - 2

Not counting Mascherano and Ramires because they played CB and RB respectively.

If it is my job to educate this thread about such nonsense stats that some peeps have been promoting, I will do it.

This is what you should have been doing instead of bingeing on chicken wings

Tackle is like doing crash study for an exams you had 3months to prepare for. A smart student doesnt need to do reading at emergency because many things can go wrong

Just like a smart DM doesnt need to tackle because many things can go wrong

proper use of your body to cover the pathway is a more efficient way of dispossesion which is what Busquets mastered and idddiots like airmark cant understand

airmark:


He told you what made him to give tackles, he didnt tell you such moments wouldn't occur. Ability to rescue that moment is what makes one defender better than the other. You cant take away tackles from defensive responsibility. That parameter will always be used mumunatu .

Tackle is a last resort when you have already failed to do what should have been done

Like I said this is like rating students based on how effective they studied 3hrs to exams when smarter students have done this 3months at their own pace and comfort

It is a concept too hard for a madrasa dropout to understand

Ibime:


You are wrong again. Playing midfield against Barcelona where you have already squeezed the space so that a Barca player cannot move 5 yards without encountering another Chelsea player negates the need for tackling too much. You defend those games by positioning and pressing.

Midfielders tackles in 2012 UCL semifinal: Barcelona 2 - Chelsea 2

Busquets - 3
Xavi - 3
Iniesta - 1

Merieles - 3
Mikel - 2
Lampard - 2

Not counting Mascherano and Ramires because they played CB and RB respectively.

If it is my job to educate this thread about such nonsense stats that some peeps have been promoting, I will do it.

Real madrid was not parking the bus and makelele had better numbers which you confirmed. Chelsea deployed different formation against barca, does it remove the fact that dms will be evaluated on tackles? These numbers up there even showed you the reason makelele didn't have high number of tackles as it was the era of parking the bus - responsibility shared. The Premier league link you quoted placed tackle as no. 1 stat in defence, you are here saying its nonsense stat.

raumdeuter:


Tackle is a last resort when you have already failed to do what should have been done

[s]Like I said this is like rating students based on how effective they studied 3hrs to exams when smarter students have done this 3months at their own pace and comfort

It is a concept too hard for a madrasa dropout to understand[/s]

Mumu, so you have not seen a player making a tackle to cover for his team mate(s) blunders?

raumdeuter:


This is what you should have been doing instead of bingeing on chicken wings

Tackle is like doing crash study for an exams you had 3months to prepare for. A smart student doesnt need to do reading at emergency because many things can go wrong

Just like a smart DM doesnt need to tackle because many things can go wrong

proper use of your body to cover the pathway is a more efficient way of dispossesion which is what Busquets mastered and idddiots like airmark cant understand

There are times your team mate loses possession suddenly or get dribbled and you are out of position, there is nothing like using your body for your opponent who is also skillful like messi, some metres away heading for your goal on a counter. You need to diligently make that tackle. Dont be deceived, coquelin tried to use the body like you stvpidly thought of and lost his position in the team. I played football and footballers understand this. Not hard.

Lana1:
You well so?? Not all English players are overrated. Rooney and Carrick(at their peak) belong to this category

Funny how it's only the English stars of the biggest club in ENGLAND that were underrated,others from other clubs weren't


And it's only United fans that think they were underrated

airmark:


Real madrid was not parking the bus and makelele had better numbers which you confirmed. Chelsea deployed different formation against barca, does it remove the fact that dms will be evaluated on tackles? These numbers up there even showed you the reason makelele didn't have high number of tackles as it was the era of parking the bus - responsibility shared. The Premier league link you quoted placed tackle as no. 1 stat in defence, you are here saying its nonsense stat.

You are too foolish. DM will only be evaluated by ball recovered whether they do it through tackles, body placement, proactive interception, speed of diving to block is immaterial here you morronn

Let Ibime come and educate you further

Kante hardly makes mistakes and he has been winning tackles, so according to Maldini and Bro DAYO Kante is covering up for his mistakes? ?


I don't understand this


Winning tackles will always be important

raumdeuter:


You are too foolish. DM will only be evaluated by ball recovered whether they do it through tackles, body placement, proactive interception, speed of diving to block is immaterial here you morronn

Let Ibime come and educate you further

This is the reason i call you ramuzaki. Experts will not call it immaterial, that's why on that premier league site, it was not embedded in another field. It is no.1. I am telling you from an expert point of view, no bragging.

bigkesh:
Kante hardly makes mistakes and he has been winning tackles, so according to Maldini and Bro DAYO Kante is covering up for his mistakes? ?


I don't understand this


Winning tackles will always be important

Help me ask him again. Things that are not difficult to understand dayo will be arguing blindly over it.

bigkesh:
Kante hardly makes mistakes and he has been winning tackles, so according to Maldini and Bro DAYO Kante is covering up for his mistakes? ?


I don't understand this


Winning tackles will always be important

I will gladly take the word of Maldini over Kante. I dont know about you

airmark:


This is the reason i call you ramuzaki. Experts will not call it immaterial, that's why on that premier league site, it was not embedded in another field. It is no.1. I am telling you from an expert point of view, no bragging.

Its extreme foolishness to think tackles matter

Xabi Alonso said it Maldini said it. these are 2 of the best players on their positions. From what expert? an ogogoro expert?

There are several ways sensible players play the DM role while reducing tackles to the back

Ibime should tell you that there is a smart way you can follow/usher an attacker into a crowded area where he will be outnumbered not just diving into tackles like TP Mazembe players

raumdeuter:


I will gladly take the word of Maldini over Kante. I dont know about you

So you are saying every tackle Maldini made was as a result of a mistake he made

raumdeuter:


Its extreme foolishness to think tackles matter

Xabi Alonso said it Maldini said it. these are 2 of the best players on their positions. From what expert? an ogogoro expert?

There are several ways sensible players play the DM role while reducing tackles to the back

Ibime should tell you that there is a smart way you can follow/usher an attacker into a crowded area where he will be outnumbered not just diving into tackles like TP Mazembe players

This is ridiculous. so at every point in time your opponent is attacking you, you will have a crowded area to push him into. Footballers reading this will laugh. You dont make tackles recklessly, you should be able to know when and how to give it it out. Which crowded area should coquelin push hazard into? Which crowded area did krychowiak have to race messi into, in that epic moment? There are some moments in a match if you dont activate that tackle, you will lose your opponent or risk being carded. Ability to manage that moment well, speaks volume of how great you are defensively.

bigkesh:
So you are saying every tackle Maldini made was as a result of a mistake he made

You dont have to take my word for it, Take Maldinis own words the best defender of his generation

raumdeuter:


You dont have to take my word for it, Take Maldinis own words the best defender of his generation

Apari ramuzaki, answer that simple question. Stop disgracing yourself. Have told you , you can tackle to cover a mistake by your team mate. Use your brain, it's yours given to you freely. You are not charged for it .

airmark:


Real madrid was not parking the bus and makelele had better numbers which you confirmed. Chelsea deployed different formation against barca, does it remove the fact that dms will be evaluated on tackles? These numbers up there even showed you the reason makelele didn't have high number of tackles as it was the era of parking the bus - responsibility shared. The Premier league link you quoted placed tackle as no. 1 stat in defence, you are here saying its nonsense stat.

That's why tackling is STYLE OF PLAY not measure of effectiveness. Real Madrid set up makes the DM more desperate in his play but the Makelele that was labeled World best DM was the one at Chelsea who barely tackled.

Infact the worlds best defensive team for a decade from 2004 to 2014 was Chelsea and our midfielders didn't tackle except the worst midfielder of them all, Ramires. His first touch was so poor, his 2nd touch was often a tackle. If the best defensive team of the decade didn't tackle, that should tell you how fugazi this new fad of judging midfielders by no of tackles is.

I don't care if you make zero tackles per game like Makelele or 4 tackles per game like Kante. That's your STYLE OF PLAY. All I care is that you do your job which is to keep the clean sheet.

airmark:


This is ridiculous. so at every point in time your opponent is attacking you, you will have a crowded area to push him into. Footballers reading this will laugh. You dont make tackles recklessly, you should be able to know when and how to give it it out. Which crowded area should coquelin push hazard into? Which crowded area did krychowiak have to race messi into, in that epic moment? There are some moments in a match if you dont activate that tackle, you will lose your opponent or risk being carded. Ability to manage that moment well, speaks volume of how great you are defensively.

You are extremely foolish. You are one of the people they say dont know ball. Coquelin didnt have to make that tackle, All he need to do was follow Hazard who was already facing away from goal and usher him away. Making the contact and losing it was what gave Hazard the freedom and momentum to approach the box attack the defenders. Hazard was already outnumbered by Arsenal bodies at that time

Coquelin on his foot, chances are Hazard will go towards the line and try to win a throw-in or try to win a free kick. I am sure that was what was on Hazards mind before Coquelin gave him a free pass

Ibime:


That's why tackling is STYLE OF PLAY not measure of effectiveness. Real Madrid set up makes the DM more desperate in his play but the Makelele that was labeled World best DM was the one at Chelsea who barely tackled.

Infact the worlds best defensive team for a decade from 2004 to 2014 was Chelsea and our midfielders didn't tackle except the worst midfielder of them all, Ramires. His first touch was so poor, his 2nd touch was often a tackle. If the best defensive team of the decade didn't tackle, that should tell you how fugazi this new fad of judging midfielders by no of tackles is.

I don't care if you make zero tackles per game like Makelele or 4 tackles per game like Kante. That's your STYLE OF PLAY. All I care is that you do your job which is to keep the clean sheet.

This is substance over form airmark in case you dont know

The aim of a DM is to disposses. Tackling is one of like 10ways to do so, Anyone who measures tackles to judge a DM is as stupid as you which will be a big feat cos I have never met anyone close to you on the scale of stupid

airmark:


This is ridiculous. so at every point in time your opponent is attacking you, you will have a crowded area to push him into. Footballers reading this will laugh. You dont make tackles recklessly, you should be able to know when and how to give it it out. Which crowded area should coquelin push hazard into? Which crowded area did krychowiak have to race messi into, in that epic moment? There are some moments in a match if you dont activate that tackle, you will lose your opponent or risk being carded. Ability to manage that moment well, speaks volume of how great you are defensively.

This is tackling on a "need to" basis. It's an emergency situation that occurs only once or twice a match, and any of the 11 players can be the one in the situation. It doesnt happen with enough frequency to start compiling midfielders tackling stats and judging them on it.

In such situation, pace is what matters. Jamie Vardy or Tijani Babangida will make the tackle better than Makelele. How is that a numeric basis for judging midfielders?

Ibime:


That's why tackling is STYLE OF PLAY not measure of effectiveness. Real Madrid set up makes the DM more desperate in his play but the Makelele that was labeled World best DM was the one at Chelsea who barely tackled.

Infact the worlds best defensive team for a decade from 2004 to 2014 was Chelsea and our midfielders didn't tackle except the worst midfielder of them all, Ramires. His first touch was so poor, his 2nd touch was often a tackle. If the best defensive team of the decade didn't tackle, that should tell you how fugazi this new fad of judging midfielders by no of tackles is.

I don't care if you make zero tackles per game like Makelele or 4 tackles per game like Kante. That's your STYLE OF PLAY. All I care is that you do your job which is to keep the clean sheet.

This is part of where you getting it wrong. Essien tackled too - shared responsibility. When i am much free i will address your posts better. You cant be known as a defensive side without those tackles bro.

Skimpledawg:
The way guys analyse football here is like watching a comedy show

Raumdeuter, seriously "Ezillu community secondary school"

Ho Christ

Baba, u dey make me enjoy reading ya comments jarii

I swear. Their analysis is the best comedy I've ever seen or heard. Many times my roommate looks at me like 'What's this guy on' anytime I'm on NL.

raumdeuter:


You dont have to take my word for it, Take Maldinis own words the best defender of his generation

This is why we have been telling you to be consistent

Every time you want to show us how magnificent Boateng is by 'bossing' Messi, isn't it gifs of him making tackles you show us??

So Boateng best game is all about tackles that you now claim great defenders don't usually do

That ends the argument about Boateng then.. .we now know his level


Why didn't Boateng follow Messi foolishly looking for a crowded area on the pitch....Argentina would have spelt Germany
Those are the tricks you use for players like Walcott, Douglas Costa, Moses and Co.. ..Try that with players so good in tight spaces like Messi,Hazard or Silva


You are 2faced

Ibime:


Stop quoting me madman. You have quoted me dozens of times without reply. Please get the message. What exactly is your mental problem - Schizophrenia or bipolar disorder?

Ibime, you fall my hands. Haba! you for just continue ignoring the guy. na attention him want. learn from Raumdeuter how to ignore that prick.