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Re: ...... by Hkana: 4:26pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
ikupakuti: Bro, it would be nice if you and Ladunal can write on "introduction to numerology" either as a comment on this thread or as a fresh thread on its own. That way, a curious layman like me can really understand how to extract and know how to use these numbers you're talking about. What do you say? |
Re: ...... by ikupakuti(m): 4:43pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
Hkana: Just get that القاعدة booklet, all you need to get started is there or follow that link @LadunaI posted & its likes. |
Re: ...... by Empiree: 4:49pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
Hkana:How coincidence! I was going to say that with his constant reminder of numerological order. It is clear now how the sufi came about numbers from the way the brother enlightened us. Remember when I was talking about reciting sura yasin 313 and they made fun of me? . I know you were around back then. We told them that knowledge of Islam progresses but they don't understand. Now read this brother where said this ikupakuti: Although this type of knowledge that is not directly from kitab and sunnah is not binding on anyone. It is for the benefit of individual. They are however gleaned indirectly from Islamic sources. JazakaAllah khayran 3 Likes |
Re: ...... by LadunaI(m): 5:03pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
ikupakuti:Uhmmm...another form of extraction. That's good to know! OK...noted I can go by 313 or 65. Quran is just miracle of miracle, the more you explore it, the more you become amazed with its fabulous intricacies. Look at this ayah: قَدۡ ڪَانَ لَكُمۡ ءَايَةٌ فِى فِئَتَيۡنِ ٱلۡتَقَتَاۖ فِئَةٌ تُقَـٰتِلُ فِى سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ وَأُخۡرَىٰ ڪَافِرَةٌ يَرَوۡنَهُم مِّثۡلَيۡهِمۡ رَأۡىَ ٱلۡعَيۡنِۚ وَٱللَّهُ يُؤَيِّدُ بِنَصۡرِهِۦ مَن يَشَآءُۗ إِنَّ فِى ذَٲلِكَ لَعِبۡرَةً لِّأُوْلِى ٱلۡأَبۡصَـٰرِ You have already come across an instructive sign in the two hosts that encountered each other in battle (at Badr): one host fighting in the way of Allah, and the other that of unbelievers. They saw with their own eyes that one host was twice the number of the other. But (the result of the battle has proved that) Allah succours with His victory whomsoever He wills. In this there is surely a lesson for all who have eyes to see. Q3:13 I know its isn't coincidence that the number of sahaba that fought the battle of badr to VICTORY is 313! Tallying with the chapter and verse where Allah is specifically referring to that incident- Badr. Another form of extract I think. ikupakuti: I think you've sumed everything up in the above post... Very interesting. Thanks 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ...... by LadunaI(m): 5:20pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
Empiree: I agree with you on your submission that is NOT binding on anyone. Its just another dimension of knowing some of things silently mention in Kitab and sunnah along with their hidden usefulness. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: ...... by ikupakuti(m): 5:21pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
LadunaI: Sure bro! Thats one benefit of sound intuition, only for those with “eyes“ - 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ...... by Hkana: 6:24pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
Lol Empiree, I remember. How we kept telling them that not everything about everything could have been documented and they were shouting to the high heavens ![]() Bro Ikupakuti, I get your point but the thing is, not all Qaidah have the NVs attached to the alphabets, I have one of such. And even those that have NVs may have different values; for instance, you mentioned something about "Occidental" and I noticed there was a 240 units difference in the value of س. And, another quick question. It seems with this number system, the number you attach to an ayah or Surah depends on what you are looking for/your intention. Am I right? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: ...... by ikupakuti(m): 7:41pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
@Hkana, Yes, not all al-qaeda have that but you can ask or check before buying it. Yes, there are disparities in just 6 characters only, you can use any format whether oriental or occidental but I just prefer the later. (check that link) Yes, there is a difference of 240, thats b‘cos the character س is valued 300 (occidental) & 60 (oriental), so, 300 - 60 = 240, hence the difference. Yes it depends on what you are looking for, thats if you are using the external method of assignment whereby the NV of a verse/sura is not utilized. |
Re: ...... by Empiree: 9:05pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
LadunaI:subhanAllah!. What a wonderful observation. My Sheikh always recommended yasin 313 to me and whoever was around him. I have always wondered this could not have been by accident. Indeed, placing certain number of recitation of dhikr is Sunnah but they understand NOT. They would tell you did the nabi do that?. Ma Sha Allah, we understand message communicated to us indirectly. JazakaAllah khayran! As Sheikh Imran Hussein rightly said that knowledge is of two types: That is internally received That is externally observed The former is for those who "internal eyes" i:e eyes on the heart with which they see. Sheikh Adam (ra) said, there are those who only pursue external knowledge and abandoned or do not believe anything else exist besides. He said you have to hold on to the two. 1 Like |
Re: ...... by emekaRaj(m): 10:06pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
ikupakuti: How far, barka da jumaat......... Ofcourse it's weekend so I will drop it |
Re: ...... by emekaRaj(m): 10:13pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
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Re: ...... by LadunaI(m): 10:23pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
ikupakuti: Perhaps we've beginning to share on @emekaraj "third eyes"...Lolz It's well bro. 1 Like |
Re: ...... by emekaRaj(m): 10:42pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
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Re: ...... by ikupakuti(m): 11:02pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
emekaRaj: Fine, barka da jumaat....we are eagerly waiting. emekaRaj:[quote author=emekaRaj post=54917063] Lols...you are already a spiritualist whether you like it or not...the earlier you start seeing youself as one the better lols Learn it, it‘ll help you a lot. # Actually alot of factors are involved in determining the potency of an ayat in usage like-; #1 - meaning of the ayat in respect to intended porpose of usage. #2 - verses that emphasis on the oneness, unity of the essence (zaati) of God are more potent than those that emphasis on his names & attributes, then these are more potent than those that emphasis on his acts & so on, this factor determins the strenght of its aids also. (this factor is what crowned ayat kursiyy as the most august verse of the whole Quran). #3 - The calibre of the reciter. #4 - The relationship of the reciter with the ayat (you cant compare someone who has spent like 20yrs on a verse/sura to a newbe). #5 - Destiny, it will always determin the overall consequence of every act. These and more are all on the normal level of the Quran, its quantum level is another ballgame entirely. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ...... by ikupakuti(m): 11:13pm On Mar 24, 2017 |
@emekaRaj Loooooools @ spoiling shows You want make hunger kill them ni ? Person cannot tie common goat again ? But i think you are from KOGI or NIGER STATE, una “airforce“ for that side ehn...I bow! 3 Likes |
Re: ...... by LadunaI(m): 7:31am On Mar 25, 2017 |
emekaRaj:Interesting story. I wondered how you managed to cage them like chicken. But alhamdullilah with Allah they are powerless. So, if you've losen the goat in physical realm, it would have same purpose? it seems you've been able to shell @ WILL now, considering the manner you lose the goat spiritually. My questions now is, what is a SPIRITUALIST. I thought is somebody uses as medium to communicate with spirit (jinn). But, In your case, you are dealing with them mercilessly. I think a sort of control over them, like that of Prophet SULAIMAN(as). @ikupakuti over to you for breakdown pls... Lols |
Re: ...... by LadunaI(m): 7:43am On Mar 25, 2017 |
ikupakuti: So, quantum level is different ballgame again bro? Oya, kindly, dish out some info in that regard using ayat Kurisiyu as a case study. I can see that most of the criteria up there are perfectly reflected in ayat kurisiyu, from is unity, to beautiful names , down to HIS actions. Thanks 1 Like |
Re: ...... by ikupakuti(m): 10:03am On Mar 25, 2017 |
@LadunaI, #The holy Quran has 3 classes in regards to its virtue. #The ordinary level, the quantum level & the ultra quantum level. #1-#The holy Quran @ ordinary level is the book of laws, of guidiance, of aids etc all matters relating to the world of creation & the regulator of the cause & effect world. You need arabic (language) & other mundane sciences to understand it in this class. #2-#The holy Quran @ quantum level as the uncreated & the most tremendous name of God, the mother of all names, attributes & epithets in its native realm (the zenith of LAHUT), Phrased as the الإسم الإعظم in thus capacity as the collection of all consequencies, all importances & all virtues & as the greatest sign & the ultimate signature of God. Thats the Quran God was alluding to in Q59:21 and not the literature...lols The Quran in this class where there is no language, no translations, therefor no meaning, where every haraf stands on its own, each with its mystical properties. To explore it in this class, you need 3 esoterical sciences from the esoterics of what is called “THE REALITY OF MUHAMMEDANISM“ (علم حقيقة المحمدية ) like I stated in my earlier post. They are -; -the esoterics of الشفع و الوتر -the esoterics of مواقع النجوم -the greatest of them all, the esoterics of the 300 divine characters اخلاق الربوبية In this class, you are dealing with the core of the holy prophet in his capacity as the supreme identity of Godhood. So, comparing a verse/sura etc in its ordinary level to its quantum level is like comparing the market value of coal to that of diamond just b‘cos they are both made up of carbon. The laws differ. #3-#The Quran @ the ultra quantum level is the personification of all its aforementioned properties in the preceeding level in there totality & in actuality, which is totally off limits to all. No one relates to the Quran on such level except the epitome of tremendousity & all consequencies himself, master of existence, the fountain-head of all realities (s.a.w) 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ...... by Heebah: 12:28pm On Mar 25, 2017 |
emekaRaj:Please am also very much interested in this. Can u elaborate on dis. Thanks |
Re: ...... by LadunaI(m): 2:57pm On Mar 25, 2017 |
ikupakuti:I am dumbfounded bro! especially with your #3 description. However, your description of #2 need further clarification bacause I grasped something new in that explanation. The concept of Ism Azam being mother of all names.....and your saying " ...Phrased as the الإسم الإعظم in thus capacity as the collection of all consequencies, all importances & all virtues & as the greatest sign & the ultimate signature of God." Is well known debate among scholars about what االإسمالإعظم is. Some allude is Allah, while some said is Al- Hayyu etc. Some said it specific to individual, as the names in which respective Prophets called Allah is their الإسمالإعظم. For example Prophet SULAIMAN is Al-Wahab (Bestower), Prophet Zachariah is Al-Warith(Inheritor) etc. What's is your take on this? Secondly, did you mean in your above quoted statement that these words الإسمالإعظم contains all the known Ism Azams, thus bear the consequencies or perhaps the effect of them ALL when used for INVOCATION? Thirdly, what do you mean by the esoteric of EVEN and ODD? esoteric of constellation of STARS ( Galaxy). I didn't get the last one. Thanks |
Re: ...... by tintingz(m): 3:01pm On Mar 25, 2017 |
emekaRaj:What is the tittle of this Nollywood movie, kinda interesting. People use magic tricks, don't let them use the tricks on you, slap yourself and wake from your delusions and dreams. ![]() Bros you're hallucinating too much, like my dad. ![]() |
Re: ...... by emekaRaj(m): 3:52pm On Mar 25, 2017 |
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Re: ...... by emekaRaj(m): 3:54pm On Mar 25, 2017 |
tintingz: The tin pain am 1 Like |
Re: ...... by emekaRaj(m): 3:58pm On Mar 25, 2017 |
ikupakuti: U guess right am from One of them 1 Like |
Re: ...... by ikupakuti(m): 5:55pm On Mar 25, 2017 |
@LadunaI, #The issue of الإسم الاعظم (the most tremendous name of God) is more of a subject than an object, and its science is one of the most intricate in taswoof for the fact that there is always an impenetrable veil of obscurity hovering above it. It details are very classified hence the hoaxes & controvesies surrounding it. When God wants to hide something, he‘ll place it before your very eyes & then build a hoax arround it. The literalist scholars & the elites that are yet to access its realm will continue to debate, its normal. #There are various hadiths where some sahabas did prayed with some phrases from the holy Quran with the holy prophet (s.a.w) affirming they indeed supplicated with isml a‘zam coupled with The instances of some prophets in the Quran like you pointed out, including various claimes by some soofees, some الله, some رب, some حي قيوم, etc, the truth of the matter is that all these claims are true & the same, they all have one thing in common “QURAN“, they are all fragments of the QURAN, being the mother of all names & their consequences. The real ‘aarif of ismul ‘azam is he who can envisage the tremendousity of God in all his names, attributions, epithets, acts in short in every particle. #One day, a man requested from Hassanul busri (ra) to teach him the most tremendous name of God, he replied him thus “show me one of his name thats not tremendous & i‘ll teach you“. You see those are the ones that see tremendousity ( اعظمية ) in each & every name of God. #Theophanies occur in different forms hence different names/identifications but then the essence remains the same. #Esoterics of the even & odd is the mystical foundation upon which the idea of the numbers (numerology) is built on. #Esoterics of the loci of the stars is the mystical foundation upon which the idea of mystical astrology is built on. #the last, Q68:4, I have forgotten the details of its corresponding hadiths. Thanks. |
Re: ...... by tintingz(m): 8:21pm On Mar 25, 2017 |
emekaRaj:Wetin pain me?, I'm not the one seeing goat in human body or witches doing parliamentary meeting in your room. Oga, you're hallucinating, free yourself. |
Re: ...... by emekaRaj(m): 10:18pm On Mar 25, 2017 |
tintingz: Nawao!! Psychology master, u just can't hide d painment, Kontinu........ infact take paracetamol for my headache. 1 Like |
Re: ...... by Fkhalifa(m): 12:53pm On Mar 26, 2017 |
emekaRaj:bro shed more light and knowledge on those stuffs you didn't elaborate on your earlier post... Are there any physical signs one can see to detect this people of spiritual evil power? |
Re: ...... by tintingz(m): 2:56pm On Mar 26, 2017 |
emekaRaj:Oga sir, me just wan help you. You need to see a psychological therapist. ![]() ![]() So that you can over come seeing fictitious things like Harry Potter. |
Re: ...... by tintingz(m): 3:05pm On Mar 26, 2017 |
Fkhalifa:If you're looking for this, you will end up calling or assuming wrong people to be witches and wizards. |
Re: ...... by emekaRaj(m): 3:31pm On Mar 26, 2017 |
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Re: ...... by emekaRaj(m): 3:39pm On Mar 26, 2017 |
tintingz: But psychology master from ur last post it's obvious u couldn't help ur father so how can u help me, go an help ur father first an come back. ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
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