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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by Tahtah: 4:15pm On Mar 25, 2017
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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by ihesiuloa(m): 4:18pm On Mar 25, 2017
I thought I read a publication here on NL about Nigeria coming out of recession 2days ago?
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by Nobody: 4:20pm On Mar 25, 2017
deflover:
Slowly the dollar war is lost
I told them they won't listen
They were dancing like headless chickens
Let's see how far they will continue to pump in more dollars
If you are wise
U better begin to buy cheap dollars with your spare money
Devaluation is coming if you must get IMF loan

Did you read the article? The loan is coming fron world bank and AfDB.... Nigeria has not asked IMF for loan... they are trying to prevent the lenders from giving Nigeria the loan FG is asking for.

world bank and AfDB are different from IMF.

IMF is trying to play the role of bad belle because Nigeria did NOT ask them for loan! This is politics at play here and NOT real economics.

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by 2Mekus: 4:23pm On Mar 25, 2017
Why is it that every time Buhari comes to power Nigeria will start romancing IMF and other world banks for loans? What has happened to all the funds recovered from Politicians and the ones streaming into so-called TSA account from various sources? What has this government done with those monies to require borrowing from outside? How on earth did we end up with this man again for God's sake?
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by juman(m): 4:42pm On Mar 25, 2017
You see!
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by cstr151: 4:42pm On Mar 25, 2017
0b10010011:
IMF has never wished Nigeria well



Ever since there implant, Okonjo Iweala, left our financial corridors, it's been a blow they re yet to recover from
Really?
And your president is going to the same IMF begging for huge loans.
Is your president not an IMF implant? Empty headed ninny.
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by cstr151: 4:46pm On Mar 25, 2017
2Mekus:
Why is it that every time Buhari comes to power Nigeria will start romancing IMF and other world banks for loans? What has happened to all the funds recovered from Politicians and the ones streaming into so-called TSA account from various sources? What has this government done with those monies to require borrowing from outside? How on earth did we end up with this man again for God's sake?
Don't mind them.
His zombie fans would tell you Okonjo iweala is the IMF agent even when there is currently an unprecedented level of borrowing from the same IMF and the world bank under their buhari cheesy than ever in Nigeria's democratic history.
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by deflover(m): 4:55pm On Mar 25, 2017
NubiLove:


Did you read the article? The loan is coming fron world bank and AfDB.... Nigeria has not asked IMF for loan... they are trying to prevent the lenders from giving Nigeria the loan FG is asking for.

world bank and AfDB are different from IMF.

IMF is trying to play the role of bad belle because Nigeria did NOT ask them for loan! This is politics at play here and NOT real economics.

Stop being a zombie
The article is clear
Or is IMF now corruption fighting back
Or is IMF now ipob

The issues here are both fundamental and technical
Has buhari done enough to get out of the woods

That's what IMF is pointing at
They talked about our dollar war
Which is bad
But to you na bad belle

Like I said after britexit
We will talk when there is no spare dollars to flood the market
Besides why borrow
Wetin do TSA and all the recovered billions gej stole
Yeye dey smell
Like I said devaluation is coming
So pray more your good belle works grin grin

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by lagdmark(m): 5:01pm On Mar 25, 2017
IMF have been warning developing countries since 1900+ still nothing dey happen

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by bakila: 5:10pm On Mar 25, 2017
chynie:
Prophets of doom

We won't crash anything
Is Nigeria a bike? tongue
Take one like jare. We no go crash.
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by Alajiki(m): 5:12pm On Mar 25, 2017
Adminisher:
Everything the IMF said Nigeria should be doing is exactly what Nigeria has done. They are just not happy that the Naira is proving to have value after the partial floating

God bless you. Na killjoy dem be.
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by Nobody: 5:22pm On Mar 25, 2017
martineverest:
useless imf..who need u ?
why una dey take dis matter personal?ur govt dey beg for $1billion loan to finance budget deficit so u need them o...its not imf fault that we cannot steer our economy towards self sufficiency like singapore,malaysia,china and india, our mates of the 70's, we import everything we consume from pencil, to china plates, to vehicles, electronics and even import whitemen to construct roads and gutters, d only thing we export is crude oil which only a few of us contribute a tangible sweat to its production and unfortunately is still selling at a low...ur anger should be directed at the clueless govt we always have

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by Alajiki(m): 5:25pm On Mar 25, 2017
deflover:


Stop being a zombie
The article is clear
Or is IMF now corruption fighting back
Or is IMF now ipob

The issues here are both fundamental and technical
Has buhari done enough to get out of the woods

That's what IMF is pointing at
They talked about our dollar war
Which is bad
But to you na bad belle

Like I said after britexit
We will talk when there is no spare dollars to flood the market
Besides why borrow
Wetin do TSA and all the recovered billions gej stole
Yeye dey smell
Like I said devaluation is coming
So pray more your good belle works grin grin

Check the history of Nigeria and IMF well...it's always been like this. If there's anything IMF is known for, it's pro-devaluation. They attack economic policies left right and centre to lower credit risk rating and discourage would-be lenders.

While I agree with you that the current forex regime is not sustainable, I want you to know that what government is doing now has to be done. It's a risk worth taking while hoping for an improvement in international oil price and at the same time cheking our dependence on oil and importation of consumer goods.

Nigeria is a peculiar and very funny country whose citizens derive more joy in sabotaging her economy. You can imagine demand for PTA only to take same to the black market. Even Nigerians have started opening "schools" in Spain and other liberal European countries just to issue fake admission letters out to fellow unscrupulous maniacs to access Form A and bring same back to the parallel market. ROUND TRIPPING CARTEL.

On the current forex regime, I stand with Buhari.


.

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by signz: 5:38pm On Mar 25, 2017
Abagworo:
Devaluation is very vital for improvement in local productivity. The recent moves that has seen the Naira continuously appreciate against international currencies is not supported by me. Naira should be devalued to at least 1000 to a Dollar.

I agree but 1000 to a dollar is too much nah
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by Nobody: 5:41pm On Mar 25, 2017
deflover:


Stop being a zombie
The article is clear
Or is IMF now corruption fighting back
Or is IMF now ipob

The issues here are both fundamental and technical
Has buhari done enough to get out of the woods

That's what IMF is pointing at
They talked about our dollar war
Which is bad
But to you na bad belle

Like I said after britexit
We will talk when there is no spare dollars to flood the market
Besides why borrow
Wetin do TSA and all the recovered billions gej stole
Yeye dey smell
Like I said devaluation is coming
So pray more your good belle works grin grin

Stop being a m0ron... the report was released by IMF and not world bank or AfDB, the FG has to dance to the tune of world bank and AfDB not IMF. The discussions are not being held with IMF. Just because you want dollar to reach N600 has made your judgement clouded and deluded.

And do you think IMF always has Nigeria's interest at heart when they release reports? IMF is a for PROFIT organisation!

Your $1 to N600 is not coming in 2017... no matter how you try to make it look feasible... after brexit, let us see if your prediction fails again like the former one where you were saying sky is falling - Nigerians go and buy dollar and keep in your house.... grin grin

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by abdulkabirO(m): 5:44pm On Mar 25, 2017
Islie:






FG’s $1.4bn loan bid faces ‘fresh obstacles’


Analysts back govt’s position





http://newtelegraphonline.com/news/imf-nigerian-economy-may-collapse/


Make wuna leave us,all these na to your advantage abeeg,make we crash if we go crash or na wuna crashing
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by deflover(m): 5:50pm On Mar 25, 2017
Alajiki:


Check the history of Nigeria and IMF well...it's always been like this. If there's anything IMF is known for, it's pro-devaluation. They attack economic policies left right and centre to lower credit risk rating and discourage would-be lenders.

While I agree with you that the current forex regime is not sustainable, I want you to know that what government is doing now has to be done. It's a risk worth taking while hoping for an improvement in international oil price and at the same time cheking our dependence on oil and importation of consumer goods.

Nigeria is a peculiar and very funny country whose citizens derive more joy in sabotaging her economy. You can imagine demand for PTA only to take same to the black market. Even Nigerians have started opening "schools" in Spain and other liberal European countries just to issue fake admission letters out to fellow unscrupulous maniacs to access Form A and bring same back to the parallel market. ROUND TRIPPING CARTEL.

On the current forex regime, I stand with Buhari.


.



Must u lie to state your point
Name the schools opened so as to arrange your so called round tripping oga I bend with buhari
Mind u these your so called fake skools are in Europe
Can you give proof
Lies will take u no where
So we base our economic policies on hope oil goes up
Are u fucking kidding me
A whole country lives on hope
No wonder u are all bunch of lazy religious folks
Even on simple economic fundamentals we should hope oil price foes hope when the chart is clear for all to see.
So the history of IMF has being bad for all nations
That's the biggest joke I have heard all my life
Guy wetin u drink na
Is dis how u hope to grow a nation by seeing everyone as an enemy
So Spain is helping this so called fraud and other liberal European countries
U must think i have ice cream for a brain

One question
Please is lie Mohammed your mentor
You lie so well with a bold face

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by deflover(m): 5:55pm On Mar 25, 2017
NubiLove:


Stop being a m0ron... the report was released by IMF and not world bank or AfDB, the FG has to dance to the tune of world bank and AfDB not IMF. The discussions are not being held with IMF. Just because you want dollar to reach N600 has made your judgement clouded and deluded.

And do you think IMF always has Nigeria's interest at heart when they release reports? IMF is a for PROFIT organisation!

Your $1 to N600 is not coming in 2017... no matter how you try to make it look feasible... after brexit, let us see if your prediction fails again like the former one where you were saying sky is falling - Nigerians go and buy dollar and keep in your house.... grin grin




Smh.
So the report was made by IMF and nor world bank nor ADfb
And u must think they are stupid enough to wave it away
Since IMF is now ipob bank
Or rather IMF is a PDP bank

When you open your mouth to talk ...you show us the color of your teeth

I will advise u to stop being an ass
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by jamesbridget13(f): 5:56pm On Mar 25, 2017
Nigeria is not crashing
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by signz: 5:58pm On Mar 25, 2017
Alajiki:


Check the history of Nigeria and IMF well...it's always been like this. If there's anything IMF is known for, it's pro-devaluation. They attack economic policies left right and centre to lower credit risk rating and discourage would-be lenders.

While I agree with you that the current forex regime is not sustainable, I want you to know that what government is doing now has to be done. It's a risk worth taking while hoping for an improvement in international oil price and at the same time cheking our dependence on oil and importation of consumer goods.

Nigeria is a peculiar and very funny country whose citizens derive more joy in sabotaging her economy. You can imagine demand for PTA only to take same to the black market. Even Nigerians have started opening "schools" in Spain and other liberal European countries just to issue fake admission letters out to fellow unscrupulous maniacs to access Form A and bring same back to the parallel market. ROUND TRIPPING CARTEL.

On the current forex regime, I stand with Buhari.


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Chief IMF is our only hope of getting cheap interest loans since we don't want to make the hard decisions.

IMF polices worked with other countries so why is Nigeria different. Will you want to give loan to someone that doesn't want to cut down on his extravagance livestyle? Won't you tell that person that before you give him loan he must change your lifestyle and you must see how he intends to pay back?

As things are now we have no choice. Oil price is heading south. US shale has made nonsense of the OPEC cut,there is oil glut and Trump wants to drill oil anywhere oil can be found in US.

We need IMF now more than they need us. In Fact they don't even need us sef

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by twosquare(m): 5:59pm On Mar 25, 2017
Abagworo:
Devaluation is very vital for improvement in local productivity. The recent moves that has seen the Naira continuously appreciate against international currencies is not supported by me. Naira should be devalued to at least 1000 to a Dollar.
shocked That'll be too much.
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by Kaslyni: 6:06pm On Mar 25, 2017
vigasimple:


I am believing that this sound like the authentic Aribisala with sound analysis.

This government lead by Buhari is without a direction. And they kept lying about how much corruption money they have recovered without no impact on the country economy or her people.

They wanted to borrow $1.4 billion when they just shared paris club refund of $6.9 billions

That my friends is the definition of corruption and ineptitude.

seriously perhaps Am the one not comprehending this: the fed has been seeking a loan of $1billion from the IMF and $400 000 000 million from the ADB?

are these loans to be collected monthly, quarterly or just once and that's it? if the latter is the case ( despite all the noise about fighting corruption and monies being recovered) then this government is one of worst tragedies that has befallen this nation
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by Nobody: 6:07pm On Mar 25, 2017
deflover:



Smh.
So the report was made by IMF and nor world bank nor ADfb
And u must think they are stupid enough to wave it away
Since IMF is now ipob bank
Or rather IMF is a PDP bank

When you open your mouth to talk ...you show us the color of your teeth

I will advise u to stop being an ass

I would advise you to stop being daft. The requirements Nigeria has to follow are the one made by world bank and AfDB. Even a teenager in SS1 knows that IMF and the world bank are two competing organizations.... your forex business is at stake so you need to hope that the Naira keeps worsening...

I am not saying they would waive it... I am saying that the requirements world bank and AfDB is giving Nigeria is NOT devalue or we wouldn't give you the loan... the way IMF ALWAYS does!

The requirements of world bank and AfDB are going to be slightly different from IMF whose mantra is always devalue.

But, there has been no serious issue for world bank or OPEC to predict that the price of oil would crash in 2017.... oil production is now up. since militants have stop bombing...open your brain.... the dollar rise is reversing for now....

mr go and buy dollar and keep in your house so that rat would eat it.... nobody would follow your advice. grin

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by tinsel: 6:09pm On Mar 25, 2017
They are not happy that naira is appreciating.

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by paschu: 6:09pm On Mar 25, 2017
It had always been MUCH cheaper for Nigerians to import high quality products than to produce it locally.

Devaluation will at least increase FDI - that's foreign direct investment (as it's been doing in China) - if the government would man up and divert our foreign reserve to MASSIVE infastructural reform and development. Specifically, there should be MASSIVE emphasis on transportation, communication, power and secutity.

Thus I think the idea of defending the Naira now is plain madness.

In fact, are you aware that Naira is currently stronger than South Korean Won? Google it.

Just $1 is worth more 1000 Won.

But can you compare South Korean economy to that of Nigeria?

No way!

Since 2013 South Korean economy has been worth more than $1trillion. And that's not minding the fact that they are much less than us in population. They even own Samsung and a number of other global brands, but we have none. Yet, our Nairra is stronger than their Won.

Is that not madness?

Those who critisize devaluation simply don't understand the power of globalization.

In fact devaluation is one trick China is using to remain ahead of competition.

In fact Trump has been threatening to force China to STOP devaluing the Yuan but instead allow it to appreciate against the Dollar IN ORDER TO MAKE AMERICAN PRODICTS MORE COMPETITIVE.

So, in the final analysis, pegging the Naira at this moment is such a huge bad idea.

But I know this govt. is doing it just to curry public sympathy. They have lost all the good will they once had.


aribisala0:
What nonsense is this one saying. What is the nexus between devaluation and productivity.

Productivity comes down to
Human Capital( The quality of your people e.g How many Dangotes, Bill Gates and such like do you have in your premiership. In your second division how many Richar Bransons and Donald Trumps do you have and so on). In terms of your workforce how skilled are they. All you need to do is look at the picture of your ministers inspectingg theiir so called projects.The Engineers are always Oyinbo ,that should tell you what you need to know about your people. It is the quality of your people that determines whether you have containers and trucks falling off bridges or not . It is that which determines responses to accidents and disaster and whic facilitates long term planning

Energy utilization. In simple terms electricity production and use. There is a very direct correlation between this and the wealth or productivity of nations

Infrastructure. Particular Rail and roads facilitates the efficient distribution of goods and services

Rule of Law and due process allows investor to plan and removes capricious arbitrariness like the CG of Customs waking up one day and deciding all cars everywhere ust pay duty

These are the thing that bring about productivity. If it was devaluation how come after 50000%( yes you read that right) devaluation in 33 years we are no ore productive now that during Buhari's first tenure

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by Nobody: 6:15pm On Mar 25, 2017
Kaslyni:


seriously perhaps Am the one not comprehending this: the fed has been seeking a loan of $1billion from the IMF and $400 000 000 million from the ADB?

are these loans to be collected monthly, quarterly or just once and that's it? if the latter is the case ( despite all the noise about fighting corruption and monies being recovered) then this government is one of worst tragedies that has befallen this nation




The loan is from world bank and AfDB.... IMF just released a report predicting gloom for the Nigerian economy and dollar speculators are hoping it would cause the Naira to worsen so that they can make money.
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by Nobody: 6:19pm On Mar 25, 2017
paschu:
It had always been MUCH cheaper for Nigerians to import high quality products than to produce it locally.

Devaluation will at least increase FDI - that's foreign direct investment (as it's been doing in China) - if the government would man up and divert our foreign reserve to MASSIVE infastructural reform and development. Specifically, there should be MASSIVE emphasis on transportation, communication, power and secutity.

Thus I think the idea of defending the Naira now is plain madness.

In fact, are you aware that Naira is currently stronger than South Korean Won? Google it.

Just $1 is worth more 1000 Won.

But can you compare South Korean economy to that of Nigeria?

No way!

Since 2013 South Korean economy has been worth more than $1trillion. And that's not minding the fact that they are much less than us in population. They even own Samsung and a number of other global brands, but we have none. Yet, our Nairra is stronger than their Won.

Is that not madness?

Those who critisize devaluation simply don't understand the power of globalization.

In fact devaluation is one trick China is using to remain ahead of competition.

In fact Trump is threateing to force China to STOP devaluing the Yuan but instead allow it to appreciate against the Dollar IN OTHER TO MAKE US PRODICTS MORE COMPETITIVE.

So, in the final analysis, pegging the Naira at this moment is such a huge bad idea.

But I know this govt. is doing it just to curry public sympathy. They have lost all the good will they once had.



Devaluation is not a black or white thing.... if NOT every country in the world would have towed that line.... before you devalue, the structure has to be in place or else we would have Zimbabwe type of scenario.... a lot of our inputs of production are in dollars... for now we need to diversify to existing forex earners like palm oil, cocoa etc.

Nigeria is more or less just oil exports and everything imports... if the government does this devaluation thing completely... without structures to butress the impact the economy can collapse on itself.

what I am saying is we need other major sources of forex apart from oil for now.... trying to produce everything we consume locally in the short term is not realistic. the structure like electricity, access to loans etc. is not available at the moment.

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by ancientbanana: 6:19pm On Mar 25, 2017
chynie:
Prophets of doom

We won't crash anything
Is Nigeria a bike? tongue
They once said we will be going into recession n we are in it now. Our problems in Nigeria is over faith without work. We on talk n Mock advice instead of seeing the reality n work hard to change it. I dey laff una mumurity

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by aribisala0(m): 6:26pm On Mar 25, 2017
paschu:
It had always been MUCH cheaper for Nigerians to import high quality products than to produce it locally.

Devaluation will at least increase FDI - that's foreign direct investment (as it's been doing in China) - if the government would man up and divert our foreign reserve to MASSIVE infastructural reform and development. Specifically, there should be MASSIVE emphasis on transportation, communication, power and secutity.

Thus I think the idea of defending the Naira now is plain madness.

In fact, are you aware that Naira is currently stronger than South Korean Won? Google it.

Just $1 is worth more 1000 Won.

But can you compare South Korean economy to that of Nigeria?

No way!

Since 2013 South Korean economy has been worth more than $1trillion. And that's not minding the fact that they are much less than us in population. They even own Samsung and a number of other global brands, but we have none. Yet, our Nairra is stronger than their Won.

Is that not madness?

Those who critisize devaluation simply don't understand the power of globalization.

In fact devaluation is one trick China is using to remain ahead of competition.

In fact Trump is threateing to force China to STOP devaluing the Yuan but instead allow it to appreciate against the Dollar IN OTHER TO MAKE US PRODICTS MORE COMPETITIVE.

So, in the final analysis, pegging the Naira at this moment is such a huge bad idea.

But I know this govt. is doing it just to curry public sympathy. They have lost all the good will they once had.


I am not really sure what your point is I am not suggesting pegging the Naira.
As far as devaluation goes that is only meaningful when you have something with added value to export.Nigeria exports mainly commodities and that has NOTHING to do with our exchange rate.

So I don't know what product it is we have that would become more attractive with devaluation.
Devaluation of itself cannot make a country more productive if it was that easy why is not every country doing it . It is a silly and childish idea if not properly contextualized. World trade does not operate in a vacuum. Actions trigger reactions and so on.
Rather that talk about textbook stuff talk reality.
MENTION ONE product or INDUSTRY that devaluation would help in the NEXT 12 months.

In case you travelled somewhere and have not returned.
Nigeria's currency devalued alrady by MORE THAN 100 % in under 2 YEARS since 2015

What is it that we are now exporting more of and what impact will that have overall. Tell us how muchh FDI this over 100% has brought? The reality is it has dropped MASSIVELY

You forget that for a country that manufactures nothing or next to nothing devaluation means increased prices of imports and therefore massive inflation such as we have already seen .Devaluation is good for China because they manufacture virtually everything and virtually everything they export is a VALUE ADDED product.
i.e Exportation of goods = Importation of Jobs
There is a cost to devaluation too. An actual CASH COST too.
State and Federal governments have dollar denominated debts and devaluation means they have to collect even more naira as tax and revenue to service their debts.Who bears the brunt of that. The moment that happens the interest rate for that country in the world market goes up. The most recent Eurobond attracted 7.85%

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Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by chynie: 6:35pm On Mar 25, 2017
ancientbanana:
They once said we will be going into recession n we are in it now. Our problems in Nigeria is over faith without work. We on talk n Mock advice instead of seeing the reality n work hard to change it. I dey laff una mumurity
Oya Oya start the work
We are coming
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by dumodust(m): 6:38pm On Mar 25, 2017
Nigeria can be puzzling... how come we are pumping in billions of dollars into forex market
but at the same time looking for the same amount to bridge budget and infrastructural deficits. Didnt the reserves rise again?
this improvement in forex may be temporary
Re: IMF: Nigerian Economy May Collapse If… by bantudra: 6:41pm On Mar 25, 2017
chynie:
Prophets of doom

We won't crash anything
Is Nigeria a bike? tongue

dont mind them..i tut nigeria has already crashed since buhari became presient...

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