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hopefulLandlord:
As an atheist, I have a question: Could a few muslims here provide me with a few of their favorite verses from the Quran? Ones that you find inspirational and which lead to reverence for the book and the prophet? I read the Quran some years ago, but don't remember much, and I gave up on a recent attempt because the first few suras seemed to be mainly condemnations of infidels...I'm sure there's better stuff in there :-)

Thanks!

alBHAGDADI:
Pls, open a separate thread for that cos this is a lame attempt at derailing this one. Try again and you get banned.

hopefulLandlord:
As an atheist, I have a question: Could a few muslims here provide me with a few of their favorite verses from the Quran? Ones that you find inspirational and which lead to reverence for the book and the prophet? I read the Quran some years ago, but don't remember much, and I gave up on a recent attempt because the first few suras seemed to be mainly condemnations of infidels...I'm sure there's better stuff in there :-)

Thanks!

ilynem:

Try Surah 5:32. But then again, don't read 33 cuz it talks about crucifying and cutting off limbs. Just stick with 32.

ilynem:
The Koran is the most complete book ever written and the words are so good they can only be from Allah, blah blah blah and so they say. Fortunately, I had known this point raised by the OP a long time ago. How they manage to twist all these to "religion of peace" is beyond human comprehension.

hopefulLandlord:


it depends on what they mean by "Peace"

if peace means killing anyone who has different opinion(s) to yours, then they're the most peaceful religion in the world

SirWere:
This woulds have made sense if not for the Mosul situation ..

alBHAGDADI:
What's the situation in Mosul? ?

SirWere:
ISIS killing Iraqi soldiers who are assuredly NOT pro-west.

alBHAGDADI:
Who told you that Iraqi soldiers are not pro-west? If they are not, then how come they are not fighting against American soldiers who are on their soil?

Mind you, the Iraqi soldiers are pro-west and their government supports American soldiers on their soil to help battle ISIS. That is what angered ISIS and made them kill Iraqi soldiers cos they believe they have sided with the enemy and became friends with Jews and Christians.

SirWere:

Iraq of all places is now Pro-west


Iraq, which Trump recently banned for terrorism is a pro-western country


Talk with sense small na...

alBHAGDADI:
You misunderstood the context I was speaking in.

The people of Iraq might not be pro-west simply because they have been brainwashed by the Quran to hate anything western, but their government is, but to an extent. Their government invited America to help battle ISIS. That alone shows a leaning towards the west. If they were fully anti-West, they won't be inviting their enemy in. As a matter of fact, their soldiers fight alongside US soldiers against ISIS.

America banning Iraqis from travelling to the US is simply for security reasons. They know that ISIS has brainwashed a large number of Iraqis and part of them could be among those who might want to travel to America to wage jihad.

Mind you, America has removed Iraq from the list of nations in their travel ban cos the Iraqi government promised to cooperate in complete vetting of its citizens who want to travel to America.

Now, when ISIS or Boko Haram steps into
a town which they strongly believe is a
muslim community, they get angered to
find christians, jews, churches, pagan
shrines etc all flourishing alongside
muslims. That automatically tells them that
those muslims have not been good
muslims or they are pretenders to have
allowed non-islamic presence in their
community. They get angered the more
when they see these non-believers
owning houses and doing business when
they ought to be living like subjugated
beings and paying the Jizya, a fine paid to
exist. This means that these Muslims have
become friends with the christians to have
allowed that

SirWere:

I grab you.
Going; however, from your original topic



Iraq has ALWAYS been anti-christian, pro-Islamic as evidenced in history.

So where was the "Flourishing churches" as you put it?


Saudi Arabia has dealing with Western powers yet no-one claims they're "false" muslims, do they

SirWere:


Saudi Arabia has dealing with Western powers yet no-one claims they're "false" muslims, do they

alBHAGDADI:
Wow! So, no Muslim can refute this bitter truth?

What a shame.

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tintingz:
Stop mentioning me when it is about terrorism, Islamic traditions.

Iwant2knowGod:
How you know so Much about Islam is just amazing @ alBHAGDADI.
Only an ignoramus will believe that Islam is a religion of peace.

alBHAGDADI:
Thanks very much.

I learn from David wood, Perry Stone, Walid Shoebat, Ayah Hirsi Ali, Bridget Gabriella etc. These guys know the in and out of Islam. Their videos are on YouTube.

Iwant2knowGod:
Thanks for this invaluable information, I will check them out.:

alBHAGDADI:
Make sure you search for "Is Islam A Religion Of Peace? ". It features a debate between Muslims and atheists, one named Ayah Hirsi Ali. Islam was murdered in that debate.

In verse 9:117 – Allah is narrating the events after this incident when the Muslims had returned from the campaign. Read this verse properly and you will find it speaks of three parties viz the Prophet peace on him, the Emigrants and Helpers.The Emigrants are the first generation of Muslims who “immigrated” from Mecca to Medina due to persecution. The “Helpers” are those people of Medina who welcomed these refugees as there own and hence known as “Helpers” to the cause of God. None of these three parties are alive today. The whole incident narrates to something that was past.

In verse 9:118 – Allah says that he “forgave the three who were left behind“. These three people failed to join with the Prophet and the Main body of believers who were marching for this Campaign. Again, the reference here is to a specific incident that happened 1400 years ago.

In verse 9:119 – Allah is reprimanding “the three who were left behind” of the previous verse and instructing them not to repeat there mistake again of failing to be with the believers. They believers are supposed to be one united unit.

In verse 9:120 – Allah directly takes the name of a specific city called “Medina” and speaks few words to its inhabitants proving once again that the reference here is to a specific incident that happened 1400 years ago. Allah is reprimanding those tribes of Medina and Bedouins who failed to join the Prophet peace on him in the campaign. At the same time Allah praises the efforts of those who actually went.

In verse 9:121 – Allah continues to speak about these people of the old who were the best in his sight. Again, a direct reference to a specific group of people who have longed passed away.

In verse 9:122 – Allah provides instruction to the management of the early Muslims who were few in number compared to the gigantic number of enemies that surrounded them. He instructs them telling that when they go forth to battle they should leave few knowledgeable people behind so that in case they all die in the battle, the knowledge is not lost. During that time Islam was present in only two small cities called Mecca and Medina. Besides the pagans of Arabia, the Muslims were surrounded by ancient empires like the Roman Empire, the Byzantium Empire and the Persian Empire, all of whom had legions of armies hundreds of thousand strong and trained.

In verse 9:123 – STILL, Your Creator Commanded in this verse to the small band of Muslims to be hostile towards the sea of disbelieving people. This is guts. O you who have guts in your heart, you can’t but admire such courage of men and such instruction that these men of courage followed. If you can get inspired by Hollywood then why not be inspired by this? This is the real deal.

lfleak:
Now algbagadadi abi na bashiru read:

Verse 9:123 is one among 7 verses which are bound by a context. So Analyze them accordingly.

The below verses were revealed concerning the campaign of Tabuk, a city halfway between Mecca and Present day Syria. The believers had peace treaties with many tribes in and around Medina and many of these were not Muslims yet. According to the treaties they were supposed to march with the Prophet to help him in his cause but they failed to do so as Tabuk was too far and it was the season for harvest. Among those who lagged behind were three believers as well whom the Prophet peace on him hoped that they joined him.















These people fought to establish the truth. As an example, entertain the possibility for a second in your minds, what if the Quran was really the latest and the last book from God? What if these people who were few in number were really following the instruction from the Creator of the Universe? If this was really true, then even though they were engulfed from all sides by a sea of people who believed in idols, saints and others attributing sons and daughters to God, the Creator of the Universe would still command them to oppose falsehood. This is exactly what happened. These small band of people would still have to struggle inch by inch against falsehood and prove to themselves that they were worthy to be the first among the mankind of that time to be guided to truth. And they did this to perfection.

God is not in need of us, it is us who are in need of him.

“O mankind! it is you who stand in need of Allah, but Allah is Rich (Free of all wants and needs), Worthy of all praise.” Quran 35:15

So, this was the first context of these verses. To single out verse 9:123 outside its context and say that Muslims are commanded to be harsh to disbelieves under all circumstances is bigotry. You would be guilty of doing exactly the same thing which you allege the Muslims to do, i.e being harsh to Muslims. If you believe that a God is watching you and Judging your actions then I don’t need to tell you that your thoughts are visible to Him and he is aware whether you are absolved or still involved in this bigotry.

Can I go over to the next chapter.?