adepeter26:

Yes

Christianity

1The religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus Christ, or its beliefs and practices.

Origin
Middle English: from Old French crestiente, from crestien ‘Christian’, influenced by late Latin christianitas, from Latin Christianus, from Christus ‘Christ’.

Pronunciation
Christianity/krɪstɪˈanɪti/
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Óga, over to u

Please show me how the definition has changed....
I am waiting
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KingEbukasBlog:


Another shot in the foot . You have a wont for disproving your own argument .

If we can get past the universe's creator but not leading to infinite regress of causes , then it is logical to conclude that there is indubitably an ULTIMATE or SUPREME Being which is obviously eternal .

oh! so the word "Supreme being" and "Ultimate being" suddenly surfaces

ad hoc

that wasn't part of your earlier "definition"

hopefulLandlord:


oh! so the word "Supreme being" suddenly surfaces

ad hoc post hoc

Yikes !

The theist argument is that God , the creator of the universe , is the supreme being - having no creator or need for one . That is : the creator of the universe has no one greater than He is , who is the ultimate .

Shift abeg . Your argument is poor , really poor .

felixomor:

Christianity

1The religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus Christ, or its beliefs and practices.

Origin
Middle English: from Old French crestiente, from crestien ‘Christian’, influenced by late Latin christianitas, from Latin Christianus, from Christus ‘Christ’.

Pronunciation
Christianity/krɪstɪˈanɪti/
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Óga, over to u

Please show me how the definition has changed....
I am waiting
.....

Now isn't Christianity a religion like I earlier said?....

Where did it state that Christianity is a lifestyle as regard the definition you all modify it to be?

Or in a simple language, you were called for a written interview and a question asked was;
- Christianity is a religion T/F?

Or better still, list the types of religion you know.

What would be ya answers

felixomor:

Christianity

1The religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus Christ, or its beliefs and practices.

Origin
Middle English: from Old French crestiente, from crestien ‘Christian’, influenced by late Latin christianitas, from Latin Christianus, from Christus ‘Christ’.

Pronunciation
Christianity/krɪstɪˈanɪti/
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Óga, over to u

Please show me how the definition has changed....
I am waiting
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adepeter26

I dey wait o.....

Amberon:
Were you focusing on the thread before writing that?

Yea cos religionist mostly think that all atheists accept the theory of big bang

felixomor:


God did not have to come from anything.

It is only that which is subject to time, space and matter that needs to come from something.

God is outside time, space and matter.

Your very answer for god suffices also for the bang. No evidence that all of the universe subscribes to the same physical laws that affects us in our present state.

bolkay47:

So sir, how do you think the universe started? Since the "Big Bang" is just a theory/hypothesis and you believe atheists dont subscribe to the idea.

There is no shame in admitting that I don't know how the universe started. The popular scientific proposal is the big bang theory and this suffices while we build our body of knowledge of the cosmos.

This is safer than adopting a bronze age creation legend lacking merit or reason. I cannot read in the bible where the "firmament above was separated from firmament below" & "god made 2 great lights in the firmament above, the sun to shine during the day and moon to shine at night" and not wonder aloud at the ignorance of the narrator.

The big bang theory remains at worst an educated guess while creation stories are at best misguided fables.

kjhova:


Your very answer for god suffices also for the bang. No evidence that all of the universe subscribes to the same physical laws that affects us in our present state.

Yes exactly.
But for you and i and the parts as far as we can see,
It obeys....

felixomor:

Yes exactly. But for you and i and the parts as far as we can see, It obeys....

What % of this universe have you seen please?

kjhova:


What % of this universe have you seen please?

Well, i didnt measure....
But its been estimated....
And the universe is summarised as time, space and matter....

felixomor:


Sorry
I wish i could
Unfortunately, the universe is defined as time, space and matter....
So it had a beginning.
......

Sorry

Sorry to educate you, but the universe is not defined as time, space and matter. The universe is everything that exists. Put in another way, the universe is simply energy; time, space and matter are simply manifestations of this energy.
This energy does not have a beginning.

wirinet:

Sorry to educate you, but the universe is not defined as time, space and matter. The universe is everything that exists. Put in another way, the universe is simply energy; time, space and matter are simply manifestations of this energy.
This energy does not have a beginning.

The Universe is all of time and space and its contents.....
- Wikipedia....


Educate thyself.

felixomor:


The Universe is all of time and space and its contents.....
- Wikipedia....


Educate thyself.

Please quit spreading ignorance that the universe is time, space and matter. The most annoying aspect is that you remain stubborn in your ignorance.

The matter you are familiar with is said to constitute only about 4.9% of the universe, dark energy is estimated to constitute over 65% of the universe.

See this from Wikipedia

Assuming that the standard model of cosmology is correct, the best current measurements indicate that dark energy contributes 68.3% of the total energy in the present-day observable universe. The mass–energy of dark matter and ordinary (baryonic) matter contribute 26.8% and 4.9%, respectively, and other components such as neutrinos and photons contribute a very small amount.[3][4][5][6] The density of dark energy (~ 7 × 10−30 g/cm3) is very low, much less than the density of ordinary matter or dark matter within galaxies. However, it comes to dominate the mass–energy of the universe because it is uniform across space.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

davtosh:
I bought a percel of Land Four years ago in a rocky part of My Town Iree in Osun state.

I have tried to start building on it but every time i get money i have urgent matters to settle with it

Just last year I was called by the person that sold it to me that being a rocky area a Quarry is beign started close by. So I thought may be I would sell it off and use the money to buy another land somewhere else.

Last week the man called again and told me he saw a mansion on my land that he didnt know i have finally sold it nd I was shocked.

Next day I took off to see who d hell built on my land and low and behold the very first surprise I saw is that the building is exact replica of my proposed building plan I intended to build. With the flowers at exactly where i plan to put them. A well planned compound to my very taste.

A fake smile showed on my face cause I really couldn't figure out if I was dreaming or not. I then proceeded to knock on the door and get to kno who the trespasser was.

I got to the door and knocked and knocked and there was no answer. every where was quiet. I then managed to turn the door knob and the door flung open. And to my greatest surprise again My own self portrait on the wall with the pictures of my family at the opposite side.

I became afraid than i have ever been in my whole entire life. I ran back out and stood shaking somewhere under a tree but then I brought out my phone and dialled the land sellers number, I told him to come quickly and within minutes he was with me.
I took him into the sitting room and the moment he entered he started laughing. I asked him why the laughter and he said "Oga so na you own the house and you never tell me you dey start to build." I was surprised and I asked him why he said so. He replied "No be your pictures be this" ?
I said yes its my picture but I am not the one who owns the house. He continued laughing

It took me almost 30minutes to convince him that I am not the owner. And we boh sat under the tree in shock. No one to even ask questions.

On asking him when last he was at the site before the day he saw the building he said a month and that he didnt plan to visit the site untill that day they heard a big noise from the site direction and they thought the Quarry has started production and when they arrived there, there was no Quarry worker on sight and on getting to my land he discorvered the house.

Immediately my mind went to the Big Bang.

I decided to move in with my family and you cant believe it no one has come to challenge us.

Another Big Bang happened in my Town and it gave me a beautiful Mansion just like I have on my proposed plan and even furnished it to my taste with my pictures and that of my wife and kids.

Thanks to the Big Bang.


I shouldnt forget to add that I met a beautiful Alsatian Dog chained at the foot of the sofa.

I eventually named the dog Atheist The Dreamer

Lol.......Excellent article.

felixomor:


Well, i didnt measure....
But its been estimated....
And the universe is summarised as time, space and matter....

Well my friend, at least we are having a healthy and educated discussion about the universe and its ramifications which at present still overwhelm much of our knowledge. We are rediscovering the cosmos daily and what we know tomorrow cancels today's postulations leading to redrafting of entire concepts. Our solar system once had 9 planets; M, V, E, M, J, S, U, N & P. However, today, as the voyager exits the edge of our solar system, we begin to question what we thought we knew. The atomic shell was once well described with the K, L, M, N but was quickly redefined with the more accurate SPDF.

Some day, we will land on mars and thereafter on a near Earth asteroid. Maybe in my lifetime we will descend on Europa or at least send complex machines there for research. After I am gone, we will exit this solar system one way and become inter galactic species.

Hopefully then, no member of our species will still be misguided by religion as our body of knowledge would have so overwhelmingly outstripped the bronze age and all of its lingering fallacies.

BTW, did Ballam's ass actually talk? Did a snake converse with Eve? Did Joshua make the Sun stand still for 24hrs? (please note that this is technically a faux paus as the Sun has been standing still from day one in relations to the Earth!)

kjhova:


Well my friend, at least we are having a healthy and educated discussion about the universe and its ramifications which at present still overwhelm much of our knowledge. We are rediscovering the cosmos daily and what we know tomorrow cancels today's postulations leading to redrafting of entire concepts. Our solar system once had 9 planets; M, V, E, M, J, S, U, N & P. However, today, as the voyager exits the edge of our solar system, we begin to question what we thought we knew. The atomic shell was once well described with the K, L, M, N but was quickly redefined with the more accurate SPDF.

Some day, we will land on mars and thereafter on a near Earth asteroid. Maybe in my lifetime we will descend on Europa or at least send complex machines there for research. After I am gone, we will exit this solar system one way and become inter galactic species.

Hopefully then, no member of our species will still be misguided by religion as our body of knowledge would have so overwhelmingly outstripped the bronze age and all of its lingering fallacies.

BTW, did Ballam's ass actually talk? Did a snake converse with Eve? Did Joshua make the Sun stand still for 24hrs? (please note that this is technically a faux paus as the Sun has been standing still from day one in relations to the Earth!)

There is no big deal in animals talking...
Parrots still talk to this day....
Dont go that lane.....

As for the planets talk, all those discoveries are based on the very simplest basics and calculations of time, space and matter......
It still doesn't override the rules...

Now I'm glad people are talking about GOD THE UNIVERSE and not yahweh or allah one of his products.

wirinet:

Please quit spreading ignorance that the universe is time, space and matter. The most annoying aspect is that you remain stubborn in your ignorance.

The matter you are familiar with is said to constitute only about 4.9% of the universe, dark energy is estimated to constitute over 65% of the universe.

See this from Wikipedia

U just quoted Wikipedia and yet u call my definition ignorance?

U r a joke.

blueAgent:




Lol.......Excellent article.

Thanks bro

kjhova:


Well my friend, at least we are having a healthy and educated discussion about the universe and its ramifications which at present still overwhelm much of our knowledge. We are rediscovering the cosmos daily and what we know tomorrow cancels today's postulations leading to redrafting of entire concepts. Our solar system once had 9 planets; M, V, E, M, J, S, U, N & P. However, today, as the voyager exits the edge of our solar system, we begin to question what we thought we knew. The atomic shell was once well described with the K, L, M, N but was quickly redefined with the more accurate SPDF.

Some day, we will land on mars and thereafter on a near Earth asteroid. Maybe in my lifetime we will descend on Europa or at least send complex machines there for research. After I am gone, we will exit this solar system one way and become inter galactic species.

Hopefully then, no member of our species will still be misguided by religion as our body of knowledge would have so overwhelmingly outstripped the bronze age and all of its lingering fallacies.

BTW, did Ballam's ass actually talk? Did a snake converse with Eve? Did Joshua make the Sun stand still for 24hrs? (please note that this is technically a faux paus as the Sun has been standing still from day one in relations to the Earth!)

What's your point exactly ?

Its funny that you excoriate religious people and denigrate our beliefs yet you are here you telling us about what you believe and HOPE for . We will exit our solar system(to where ? did you keep some planet for us specially for us to discover and then develop the technology to inhabit it ) and land on mars which apparently does not support life . Do you know humanity is limited ? Do you know that we WILL NEVER have knowledge of what exists in every part of the universe or even get any access to them ? Get real and stop watching too many super hero movies

KingEbukasBlog:


What's your point exactly ?

Its funny that you excoriate religious people and denigrate our beliefs yet you are here you telling us about what you believe and HOPE for . We will exit our solar system(to where ? did you keep some planet for us specially for us to discover and then develop the technology to inhabit it ) and land on mars which apparently does not support life . Do you know humanity is limited ? Do you know that we WILL NEVER have knowledge of what exists in every part of the universe or even get any access to them ? Get real and stop watching too many super hero movies

Exactly bro.
Please tell him..

felixomor:

Mscheww. Please step aside.... Let the person i replied continue....
Your echolalia is on the loose..

KingEbukasBlog:


I dey tell you bro . An atheist who wants the definition of God ? Then why he is an aTHEIST if he does not know who God is ? I mean you have to understand what you are up against - this is just basic stuff .

Too much display of idiocy

Lobatan!

U got him like Gbosa!

You are too much

KingEbukasBlog:


Yikes !

The theist argument is that God , the creator of the universe , is the supreme being - having no creator or need for one . That is : the creator of the universe has no one greater than He is , who is the ultimate .

Shift abeg . Your argument is poor , really poor .

says the person that pulled ad hoc on his previous definition

KingEbukasBlog:


This is unbelievable !

Haven't you learnt anything from the myriad of discourses you've had with us ?

1.Infinite regress of causes is impossible

2.Something can't come from nothing

3. Therefore , there is an uncaused cause - one having no beginning , the source of everything that exists .

Even from the principle of sufficient reason , we can understand that God is completely self-sufficient, having within Himself the sufficient reason for His own existence . God alone understands why He exists and why He has to exist . Aseity answers the question , though not completely , 'why does God exist' ?

@bolded
This is a contradiction in itself ergo, your argument is not sound.

KingEbukasBlog:


I totally agree with you bro . Atheists thrive in criticism . One does not really need a basis for criticism . Just criticize and then ridicule - that's all they do . Its a sure way of protecting their beliefs .

And its actually funny when they engage in all these but still won't provide answers . I mean if they are so passionately captious about the existence of God , then they should at least prove or provide explanations that irrefragablely confutes our position as theists .

Correct Bro.
They are vexed by their inability to please Him coupled with unanswered prayers.
You see criticisms + passion = delusion

felixomor:


There is no big deal in animals talking...
Parrots still talk to this day....
Dont go that lane.....

As for the planets talk, all those discoveries are based on the very simplest basics and calculations of time, space and matter......
It still doesn't override the rules...

You are being smart by a fraction and this is most unfortunate. respond to my fair points and make your own points too rather than tossing out 2 liner shots.

Parrots don't talk. This is a most basic fact known to man. If you don't know this, then all of my previous posts above are utterly beyond your comprehension then.

However, as you know that parrots don't talk, I guess you were only fooling around with me. in which case, the joke is on me for taking the discussion too seriously.

Question still is did Joshua make the Sun stand still? Did Yahweh stop the entire universe just so a band of Hebrew nomads can complete their genocidal attack on their neighbors?

kjhova:


You are being smart by a fraction and this is most unfortunate. respond to my fair points and make your own points too rather than tossing out 2 liner shots.

Parrots don't talk. This is a most basic fact known to man. If you don't know this, then all of my previous posts above are utterly beyond your comprehension then.

However, as you know that parrots don't talk, I guess you were only fooling around with me. in which case, the joke is on me for taking the discussion too seriously.

Question still is did Joshua make the Sun stand still? Did Yahweh stop the entire universe just so a band of Hebrew nomads can complete their genocidal attack on their neighbors?

"Parrots dont talk"


End of discussion!

KingEbukasBlog:


What's your point exactly ?

Its funny that you excoriate religious people and denigrate our beliefs yet you are here you telling us about what you believe and HOPE for . We will exit our solar system(to where ? did you keep some planet for us specially for us to discover and then develop the technology to inhabit it ) and land on mars which apparently does not support life . Do you know humanity is limited ? Do you know that we WILL NEVER have knowledge of what exists in every part of the universe or even get any access to them ? Get real and stop watching too many super hero movies

I don't see how you can get my point bro. The science and achievements of space exploration is not exactly general knowledge, at least not in Africa. So it is understandable if it's beyond you.

I will also not be able to answer your question about where man will exit the Earth to as it is too elementary and will likely deviate us from the topic of this thread.

Back to the point thou, I am still waiting for fleximore and you too, if you are interested, to convince me that Joshua made the universe stand still for 24hrs just so a band of Hebrew murderers can complete a genocidal task. Yet this same god won't lift a finger to help the 6,000,000 Jews who perished in Hitler's final solution.

felixomor:


"Parrots dont talk"
End of discussion!

Do have a great day.

kjhova:


Do have a great day.

Happy sunday....