majekdom2:
Oga, the person that will be forgiven has to apologise first and admit that she is wrong. That's the process. Does God forgive you without conviction, confession and restitution. Shall we continue in sin because Grace abound? God forbid. Don't come here preaching forgiveness when you don't even know the process and what it is.

You confusing it. You're referring to the forgiveness of God. For God to forgive you, you must be remorseful and make restitution. God the pastor is not God, and he's also a sinner.

Jesus forgave many people their sins without any procedure
We humans are to forgive each other unconditionally.

That's why we ask God to, "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive others their trespasses."

Your forgiveness of other depends on whether God will forgive you too.
For it you can't forgive others, why should God forgive you?

linearity:


You must have missed, the last supper, when Jesus cautioned Judas...try read Matt 26, John 13, Mark 14, etc.

As for Elisha, he was leaving under the Old covenant. An eye for an eye is the rule in the old covenant.

If the old covenant was perfect, Jesus would not have come, He would not have died for our sins and Gentiles like myself and you would have still be aliens to God and His plans.

Jesus is the fulfillment of the old covenant, he said he brought a new and a better covenant, a better way of life.

Heb 8:13 said, he made the old covenant obsolete, aging and about to disappear. How many New Testament prophets did you read calling bears, fire and thunders or venegence against their enemies?

JESUS NEVER CAUTIONED JUDAS.
Infact Jesus made a prophesy there and it was even after dat prophecy dat devil entered into Judas.
Jesus even gave Judas a command asking him to hasten up and do wat he wanted to do. Bro stop disgracing us here

linearity:


Men, you spoke like someone who is alien to the Christian faith and not grounded in the Bible.

Do you know how many unbelievers blasphemed against Christ? How many did he take to court? The Bible commands us to be Christ-like, Pastors have to be christians first, forgive others their sins, so the Heavenly Father will forgive you your sins, so said the Bible.

Secondly, you are totally wrong that Pastors or Preachers convert souls, we are only admonished to preach the gospel, it is the Holly Spirit that convert souls.

Saul Persecuted Peter and the early Apostles even unto death, non took him to court, none even prayed curse on him, they blessed him and shown him love until God touched Saul.

These Pastors are doing more damages to the Christian faith by these actions. Vegence is mine said God.

Jesus said, he that is without sin, should cast the first stone. We are all sinners, including these Pastors and cannot cast any stone at someone for what they have done.

What happened to turning the other cheek, when you are slapped or forgiving 7x77 times a day, when you are offended.

There is no yardstick in the Bible by which you can measure these and concluded that these Pastos are Christians i.e. Christ-Like period!

so because we're believers the world can do whatever they like with us? Paul was fighting the church with authority and he thought he was doing the right thing, which authority does she has? If we keep turning the other cheek which other one is left? Do you know that the same Christ violently drove people that tried to defile the temple? This woman is notorious for attacking men of God, because you saw her on prison uniform you all went emotional, She went against the law of the land and got what she deserves

It's easier said than done. How do you expect a pastor to be quiet when all is works is based on His character, if his character is questioned, the ministry is over. The worst is that this accusation was made when Apostle Johnson and Otobo's issue were red hot.

If I'm the one, I don't know what I will do, but I think I will take action, except the Holy Spirit says no.

zionmade:
My brother i will comment on ur post
Pastor Ibiyeome did nothing wrong.
Reason being dat: kemi is not a Christian and d bible only says dnt take ur brother to court. Dat means it will be wrong for pst David to do dat if d lady was a Christian.
Remember wat is happening to apostle Suleiman do u know how many souls dat must have been lost because of dat. If Kemi succeeds in diverting d pastor's attention into defending himself even though he did nothing do u know how d matter will excavate and how many souls will be lost?
Sometimes we need to shut d devil's vessel

Stop it, do not corrupt the scripture
No xouls can be lost because of the travails of a person who claims to be in christ, Why has christianity debased to this worldly level

greatman247:



Go through the example I sighted for you in my last write up, if you are a father and give birth to 6 kids. Then out of your six kids, 3 decided to Change to Muslim, will the rest kids say because they are no longer Christians they are no more family? We Christians like to turn the Holy Bible upside down sometimes. God created the universe including the people in it and He sees everyone his own, all man is equal before God. Whether you like it or not, a Muslim is your brother. God has made it to be so there's nothing you can do about it.

I repeat i am a spirit being and not a human I can call u a physical brother but not a christian brother which is wat Jesus meant there because u cant drag an unbeliever to the elders for judgement. All men are not equal before God though all men were created equal before God.
A MUSLIM IS NO BROTHER OF MINE. What have darkness to do with the light?
God created everyone but not everyone is his son. To them who received him gave he the power to be called the sons of God".

am coming...

I will answer you

princechurchill:
So he would have been the second Christ,by keeping​ quiet and allow his family to face an unnecessary shame because she's a journalist​, suffer not the witch to live, and for every sin there's a price kemi it's time to pay urs

so make dem kill am like in the old testament where they stone them to death abi? God will judge on the final day christians praying for the death of people will finally know the truth .

sweetgala:


Stop it, do not corrupt the scripture
No xouls can be lost because of the travails of a person who claims to be in christ, Why has christianity debased to this worldly level

stoip ranting come up with the word of God u believe. and moreover u are d debased person here for believing the lies of an unbeliever and a prostitute. What truth has darkness got to offer?
And who said kemi's soul is lost? Who is trying to kill her?

graphiti:


Very good!
Let the victims, be they 70, line up in pH , no wahala!

When a "money~miss~road" based in Maiduguri abducts u from wherever u are and ships u to Maiduguri to "face d law" don't shout 'Buhari' o!


#what~goes~around............

Have you heard of " do the crime and do the time"? The "money miss road" has every right to take action or seek redress in a court. Have you heard of jurisdiction? I can only be shipped to Maiduguri if the offense was committed there

alBHAGDADI:

Your response shows you didn't read my post where I said that he's suppose to save her as a Christian Should, not have her arrested. Christ had the ability to destroy his killers, but he didn't. If pastor Ibiyeomie calls himself a follower of Christ, he ought to have emulated that.
Do you know that amount of souls that were won and are still being won an a result of Christ not retaliating against his persecutors?

What about thousands of souls that were NOT won, could her soul be among those? What she did was to almost destroy the man's credibility. I am NOT into pastors okay but this woman needs to know that she can't continue getting away with such utterances. I mean this is the woman that accused Jide Kosoko of being behind his wife's death. Allegations were made without any consideration for sensitivity of this accusation.

alBHAGDADI:
Luke 9:51-56

51 When the days were approaching for His ascension, He was determined to go to Jerusalem;
52 and He sent messengers on ahead of Him, and they went and entered a village of the Samaritans to make arrangements for Him.
53 But they did not receive Him, because He was traveling toward Jerusalem.
54 When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?”
55 But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;
56 for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.” And they went on to another village.


Did you read the above passage? Do you know why Christ rebuked his disciples when they wanted to command fire from heaven to consume the Samaritans?

Christ said that we Christians are of a different spirit. What do you think he would look like today if he had commanded fire to burn down the same people he came to save?

Since the Kemi Olunloyo and Pastor Ibiyeomie saga became a police affair, I've read several comments from supposed Christians urging the pastor on. When it is made clear to them that a preacher is not to react in the manner Pastor Ibiyeomie did, in that he ought to overlook the matter by forgiving her without taking action, like Christ would, , they shift the goal post to saying that Kemi Olunloyo didn't ask for forgiveness.

Did the people that were killing Jesus ask for forgiveness before he said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"? Now, tell me, a crime of killing you versus a crime of defaming you, which is more easy to forgive without taking action?

Pastor Ibiyeomie calls himself a Christian i.e like Christ, yet he isn't acting like one. He has enjoyed all the good side of being a Christian. But now that it is time to suffer for Christ, he can't even face the suffer of defamation. What if he had existed in the days of the early apostles when Christians where arrested and fed to lions in gladiator arenas? Those disciple's still prayed for their persecutors.

I don't know whether Kemi Olunloyo deserves whatever she's going through cos we don't know whether she has proof of her claims. One thing i do know is that her punishment shouldn't come from a man who is supposed to preach to her. Having her locked up doesn't prove he's innocent of the allegation.

Some would argue that his silence would have made many people to leave his church. The silence that Jesus and his disciples maintained when they were persecuted is one of the reasons why Christianity is major today. If they had attacked their attackers, Christianity would have been tagged a terrorist religion.

Let's remember how Peter reacted when he cut off the ear of one of those that came to arrest Jesus. Most importantly, let's remember how the man they came to arrest reacted to the situation. He rebuked Peter and went ahead to heal the ear. But Christianity of today is "attack me, I attack you", thanks to the years of prosperity preaching which has turned man away from God and made them love self than others.

You can continue to argue in favour of the pastor, but the Bible will always condemn his actions. God has given you an hint to free you from the shackles of those that have been misleading you. Instead of following it, Christians of today have chosen to stand with the same evil men. Below is what Christ will say..

But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of; Luke 9:55


Do you know why many Christians will accept the mark of the Antichrist? It is because they choose man over God and His Word. It's not too late for you today.

Exodus 22:32
then Moses stood in the gate of the camp and said, “Who is on the LORD’s side? Come to me.”

Hw acted unchristlike but you guys are the ones condemning suleiman of being guilty bevause he did not take otobo to court. You nigerians are foolish ignorant hypocritical folks

martineverest:
how does he xpect his members to practice forgiveness?

bros. This isn't a case of forgiveness!

ayindejimmy:


You confusing it. You're referring to the forgiveness of God. For God to forgive you, you must be remorseful and make restitution. God the pastor is not God, and he's also a sinner.

Jesus forgave many people their sins without any procedure
We humans are to forgive each other unconditionally.

That's why we ask God to, "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive others their trespasses."

Your forgiveness of other depends on whether God will forgive you too.
For it you can't forgive others, why should God forgive you?

Either ways, the sinner has to realise and come humble of her sins. Forgiveness does not mean refusing to be a witness. T pastor may have dropped his charges but other victims are pressing. Is it because Kemi has not killed. If she had killed someone, would y'all be shouting forgiveness. The laws are there to put us in order. She has gone against it, she needs to make ammends and sign and undertaken not to do such. Why is no one talking that but all about forgivess of a pastor.

JustCurious:
If GEJ as former President were to toil this path, then a good number of Nigerians should be behind the bar. GEJ and his wife were ridiculed, cursed. He was even tagged the most verbally abused President in the world. Yet, not an eyelid was raised.

Well, life is a learning journey.

The case of a politician is different, they accuse and counter accuse themselves. And nobody expect any politician to be of above board moral. There's no politician who doesn't face relentless insults and attacks, it comes with the job. Gej is not the only one who faced, PMB has been facing it pre election and he's at the Centre of it now, Obasanjo, Tinumbu Atiku all where accused rightly or wrongly so many times, they do the same to others. So politics is a dirty game. Everyone in it are ready to be dirty

All these folks yarning nonsense on forgiveness were they dumb when kemi maligned the Pastor's reputation and character with false allegations, why didn't they write an article and condemn it, the pastor has reacted lawfully they are coming out with their hypocrisy and fake concern.

zionmade:
My brother i will comment on ur post
Pastor Ibiyeome did nothing wrong.
Reason being dat: kemi is not a Christian and d bible only says dnt take ur brother to court. Dat means it will be wrong for pst David to do dat if d lady was a Christian.
Remember wat is happening to apostle Suleiman do u know how many souls dat must have been lost because of dat. If Kemi succeeds in diverting d pastor's attention into defending himself even though he did nothing do u know how d matter will excavate and how many souls will be lost?
Sometimes we need to shut d devil's vessel

Unfortunately, your Suleiman and Ibiyeome don't preach salvation massages but motivational.

linearity:


You must have missed, the last supper, when Jesus cautioned Judas...try read Matt 26, John 13, Mark 14, etc.

As for Elisha, he was leaving under the Old covenant. An eye for an eye is the rule in the old covenant.

If the old covenant was perfect, Jesus would not have come, He would not have died for our sins and Gentiles like myself and you would have still be aliens to God and His plans.

Jesus is the fulfillment of the old covenant, he said he brought a new and a better covenant, a better way of life.

Heb 8:13 said, he made the old covenant obsolete, aging and about to disappear. How many New Testament prophets did you read calling bears, fire and thunders or venegence against their enemies?

why did anais and his wife drop dead immediately. The zion guy cited many other examples. As I told you, it's not only the pastor that's pressing charges. If the pastor wife or child had been murdered, would you be preaching forgiveness. Let the law take its course and not a pastor's forgiveness.

zionmade:

stoip ranting come up with the word of God u believe. and moreover u are d debased person here for believing the lies of an unbeliever and a prostitute. What truth has darkness got to offer?
And who said kemi's soul is lost? Who is trying to kill her?

I'll not state the scripture i'm sure you know,
search your soul, ask your God in your own time

this issue is straight forward, there are two people involved, an actress and a pastor, ever since this issue as started it has been this pastor all the way, meanwhile the actress has been silent, so pls who will win souls with their actions, is it the silent one or the lousy one, Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus and never summoned him to court, so judge not that ye may not be judge................
. a beg who get BB charger?

As from the days of John the Baptist, the Kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent take it by force" Followers of Christ are not weak or fools and should not be taking for dummies. mek that woman learn n act well in future.

Hmmmmmmmm, everybody has suddenly learnt the word Christ-like because aunty Kemi is arrested, if the pastor had kept quite you would have hear them shouting 'pastor defend yourself because there is no smoke without water'. The thing just de sweet me walahi

These judeges are the people who don't believe in the Bible but quotes it when it suits or appear to favour them.
As far as you 've decided to hate men of God with or without reason who 'll always find a self-styled reason to condemn them.
If a man of God talks una go condemn if he no talk una go condemn because na bad belle dey worry una.
Hatred no bi virtue hence, I no see the reason plenty of una like the op get reservoir of hate for men of God.
Ms Olunloyo don get her own dose with the law, it's her first baptism more will follow she is not cured of her ailment.

nonjebose:

Have you heard of " do the crime and do the time"?

Nna meeen , u just contradicting y'self left, right and centre! For a civil case, is d Gestapo~styled arrest abduction/lock- up d first thing to do? And over a CIVIL matter? Has her case been heard b4 a judge b4 her forceful incarceration? Over a civil matter at that?
Has she been convicted of d 'crime'?

The "money miss road" has every right to take action or seek redress in a court. Have you heard of jurisdiction? I can only be shipped to Maiduguri if the offense was committed there

.

See why I said u are contradicting y'self?

1. So was d offense committed in pH?

2. Was forceful "arrest" over a civil matter d first action to take when seeking redress in court, bearing in mind dt d matter was civil, not criminal?





Nna meeen ........SMH

Every matured Christian will agree with me that the pastor is distracted just like Peter. Serving God is at a price, Papa oyedepo and adeboye wre both harassed by madame kemi but they chose to ignore her and stay focused. Y can't this pastor do dsame.
Mathew 5:11-12 sums it up;

“Blessed are you when people insult you,
persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil
against you because of me.
12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your
reward in heaven, for in the same way they
persecuted the prophets who were before you

kitchen:
what if God is dealing with her legally...

I totally concur!!!!! Kemi"s cup is way full

ayandarenoni:
this issue is straight forward, there are two people involved, an actress and a pastor, ever since this issue as started it has been this pastor all the way, meanwhile the actress has been silent, so pls who will win souls with their actions, is it the silent one or the lousy one, Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus and never summoned him to court, so judge not that ye may not be judge................
. a beg who get BB charger?

Judas did not repent hence he committed suicide out of guilt when his greed cleared from his eyes

naturefellow:
bros. This isn't a case of forgiveness!

but dont forget she insulted obasanjo and adeboye more than anyone else.... Just last month an actress went to ibadan to beat her up after insulting her career, only for them to be hugging each other

zionmade:

JESUS NEVER CAUTIONED JUDAS.
Infact Jesus made a prophesy there and it was even after dat prophecy dat devil entered into Judas.
Jesus even gave Judas a command asking him to hasten up and do wat he wanted to do. Bro stop disgracing us here

Caution
To say something as a warning.

John 13:21-26"...Verily verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me...He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it, and when he dipped the sip, he gave it to Judas."

Mark 14:21 "...The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him...but woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man. It would be better for him if he had not been born"

Luk 22:48 "...Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayed thou, the Son of Man with a kiss?"

There are many scriptures, I can put up to show, Judas was cautioned, warned before, during and after his betrayer of Jesus.

...and BTW Many prophesies have cautions in them, it is false and you know it to state that, because something is a prophesy, therefore it is not a cautions. Prophesies is one of the major ways God caution his people.

linearity:


Caution
To say something as a warning.

John 13:21-26"...Verily verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me...He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it, and when he dipped the sip, he gave it to Judas."

Mark 14:21 "...The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him...but woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man. It would be better for him if he had not been born"

Luk 22:48 "...Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayed thou, the Son of Man with a kiss?"

There are many scriptures, I can put up to show, Judas was cautioned, warned before, during and after his betrayer of Jesus.

where is the caution? Caution is telling someone, you are about to do this things, don pls. He said woe, that is condemnation. So what have you to say. See somethings are better left alone. You are not God and cannot be the judge!

i wonder how the guy that posted this shit reasons 1st n foremost do u know that the bible said touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm? do u also knw that the bible said when one slaps ur right cheek, give also d left to be smacked? but did the bible record what happens to the slapper? d bible also said give to ceasar what belongs to God and to God wat belongs to God? Now let me address ur ignorance @OP, for the fact that miss kemi has chosen to show disdain for constituted authority, whatsoever treatment she gets she deserves for Christ have placed some people to b leaders over us, we are to respect and not denigrate them. Kemi did not chose Pastor Ibiyemo, God called him to service so i believe that any attack on the man of God is an attack on the gospel because u are indirectly trying to kill or disprove the Gospel of the ONE TRUE GOD.

majekdom2:
where is the caution? Caution is telling someone, you are about to do this things, don pls. He said woe, that is condemnation. So what have you to say. See somethings are better left alone. You are not God and cannot be the judge!

Not true, you don't have to tell someone not to do something before it can be called caution.

The definition I have above is directly from the dictionary, do you care to cite an authoritative source as you to your rendering or usage of the word 'caution'?

Caution is simply a warning, nothing more, not less. We see caution or warning signs on the road, each day we drive.

Bible prophesies are full of cautions. Judas was cautioned, he knew what he was about to do is wrong and Jesus cautioned aka warned him as you can see in the above verses, stop adding person nonuniversal meanings to the word 'caution' just to justify your other views.