raumdeuter:
MissyB oyb

I don't support the air strikes, Infact I don't support the ouster of Assad

For now Syria doesn't threaten the US directly, so why get involved?

Assuming Assad is deposed, who is going to take over? What have we learnt from the deposition of Ghadaffi, Saddam, Mubarak etc? The only thing we should have learnt is that when you depose all these despotic rulers you either stay in the country permanently to keep peace and those incurring the wrath of the populace or leave immediately and 1. Make enemies of those previously loyal to the ruler you deposed 2. Allow a more violent brand of terrorists to take over the space

Same story in Libya Egypt and Iraq

One thing about the middle east is leave them to their own devices as long as they dont threaten the US or their interest directly

And you actually believe that they get involved to remove autocrats?

Lucasbalo:
Americans needs jobs not wars.

War creates jobs. Missy knows it best.

raumdeuter:


This is pure garbage

Bush didnt go looking for war, Al Qaeda and terrorists brought war to him. if there was no 9-11 there wont be any war

Tell me what a president whose country was attacked by terrorists should do? Send them flowers and go on a apology tour?

Yeah and Bin Laden was hiding where?
And the terrorists who flew the planes into the WTC came from where?

raumdeuter:


Yes. It was the fallout of 9-11 that made him invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

Before 9-11 tell me the countries Bush invaded

He invaded Afghanistan because they gave Osama Shelter..Agreed..What about Iraq?Came up with lies that saddam had WMD's which was false..Ohh he only wanted to use that to take the Oil..In Trump's voice "We should have taken the Oil"..As if na hin Papa Oil..

Mindfulness:


War creates jobs. Missy knows it best.

Yes. That's why she's always for wars.

happney65:


And it was 9.11 that made him invade Iraq?Habaaa

You are spot on once again. The Bush administration doctored the intelligence reports to indicate that Iraq had WMD which was a lie. Afghanistan war was justified because that was where the 911 attack was planned but Iraq war was a great mistake. We all knew the economic after effect when America was losing 700.000 jobs a month and all the big Blue Chips Companies were going belly up in late 2008. Thank God for Obama and his crew who cleaned that up and create over 15 million jobs in 8 years. I tell you Republicons have a way of brainwashing their lapdogs. Keep setting them straight my friend.

Actually, and this was another of my arguments with missy, the bush administrartion could have finished off bin laden in tora bora without the massive investment of men and material

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/9-11-15-years-anniversary-of-shame-214239

No one knows this better than Gary Berntsen, the CIA officer in charge of the operation at tora bora who, with the Afghan forces he commanded, had managed to trap the chief perpetrator of 9/11, Osama bin Laden, and his fellow terrorists in their mountain redoubt in mid-December of 2001, only two months after 9/11. With a Delta Force officer standing by his side, Berntsen drafted a message to his superiors back in Washington that he told me ended with this line: “Let’s kill this baby in the crib.” Berntsen wanted to send in troops—fewer than 1,000 Army Rangers—who could have closed the noose (his position was backed by Marine Gen. James Mattis, who wanted to send in his own troops), but George W. Bush, on the advice of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney, turned him down, believing that Pakistani forces would trap bin Laden as the Afghans forced him southward into Pakistan. (In fact, the Pakistanis were likely helping bin Laden to escape.) Other opportunities presented themselves in the months that followed, in places like Shahikot. But rather than send troops into Afghanistan to eliminate Al Qaeda, the Bush administration began to massively shift men and resources to Iraq, where Al Qaeda didn’t then exist

happney65:
He invaded Afghanistan because they gave Osama Shelter..Agreed..What about Iraq?Came up with lies that saddam had WMD's which was false..Ohh he only wanted to use that to take the Oil..In Trump's voice "We should have taken the Oil"..As if na hin Papa Oil..

Mention the countries Bush invaded before 9-11. I believe that is simple enough

Mindfulness:


Yeah and Bin Laden was hiding where?
And the terrorists who flew the planes into the WTC came from where?

Osama Bin Laden was hiding in Afghanistan and getting backup from the Afghan Taliban govt

Where the terrorists are from is inconsequential, it is the countries that gave them backing that matter. Like Afghanistan

Mindfulness:
And you actually believe that they get involved to remove autocrats?

Could you provide us a reason Obama and Hillary decided to remove Mubarak and Ghadaffi?

raumdeuter:


Could you provide us a reason Obama and Hillary decided to remove Mubarak and Ghadaffi?

Ghadaffi was removed with the approval of the UN Security Council.
Mubarak resigned.

#factsmatter

Lucasbalo:
You are spot on once again. The Bush administration doctored the intelligence reports to indicate that Iraq had WMD which was a lie. Afghanistan war was justified because that was where the 911 attack was planned but Iraq war was a great mistake. We all knew the economic after effect when America was losing 700.000 jobs a month and all the big Blue Chips Companies were going belly up in late 2008. Thank God for Obama and his crew who cleaned that up and create over 15 million jobs in 8 years. I tell you Republicons have a way of brainwashing their lapdogs. Keep setting them straight my friend.

Bros,Dont mind them..I wonder how you manage those Folks sef..It has being proved over and over again that those Guys are War Mongers..War that does no good than to make things more and more complicated for America and the World at Large..Shioor

happney65:


Ahahahahahahahahahah..There they go,When you show them the truth to their faces,they go on a shouting tirade..I should not talk to American voter abi?I should keep quiet because it is America abi?While your country and your Party invades other countries and disturbs the peace of other countries..Ahahahahahahahahhaaha..Hypocrites..

I was speaking exactly like Lucas.What is the big deal

vedaxcool:




Reserve your stupidity to the an american forum if you find Nigerians commenting on US politics too distasteful. May be your white supremacist overlords view Nigerians too lowly to comment on the US but after all this is Nairaland. So shut it if you can't counter an argument sensibly. No wonder poverty amongst blacks is high... fools like you quickly ascribe yourself importance that is not there..Rubbish ordinary mai guardi dey spew rubbish here.

Lol. Emotional kid, let me know when you copy Lucas's post for saying the same thing.

Now move along

Lucasbalo:
You are spot on once again. The Bush administration doctored the intelligence reports to indicate that Iraq had WMD which was a lie. Afghanistan war was justified because that was where the 911 attack was planned but Iraq war was a great mistake. We all knew the economic after effect when America was losing 700.000 jobs a month and all the big Blue Chips Companies were going belly up in late 2008. Thank God for Obama and his crew who cleaned that up and create over 15 million jobs in 8 years. I tell you Republicons have a way of brainwashing their lapdogs. Keep setting them straight my friend.

Please provide the evidence that bush doctored intelligence reports

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Missy89:


Lol. Emotional kid, let me know when you copy Lucas's post for saying the same thing.

Now move along

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Mai guardi let me know when you have unshackled yourself from mental slavery.

oyb:
Actually, and this was another of my arguments with missy, the bush administrartion could have finished off bin laden in tora bora without the massive investment of men and material

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/9-11-15-years-anniversary-of-shame-214239

Gbam.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2017/01/iraq-deadly-deception-170108082649899.html

Can mai guardi and aunty rockus pretend not to know what every fool in Washington already know that Iraq war case was doctored by the great republican buffoon bush?

Missy89:


Please provide the evidence that bush doctored intelligence reports

Obviously , you swim in your own world. Do you remember General Powell before the UN given false report to justify the useless war . Do you forget about the Uranium Chenney lied that Iraq obtained from Niger Republic. May God purge the republican toxic out of your system. You are so brainwashed that you will believe any junk Republicons throw at you. You probably believe Global warming is a Chinese hoax like trump too.

vedaxcool:
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/specialseries/2017/01/iraq-deadly-deception-170108082649899.html

Can mai guardi and aunty rockus pretend not to know what every fool in Washington already know that Iraq war case was doctored by the great republican buffoon bush?

Missy is a mystery indeed. For someone to be that brainwashed is unbelievable.

Missy89:


I was speaking exactly like Lucas.What is the big deal

Missy, please don't be mentioning my name when you sleep. I am not trump that messed around with married women.

vedaxcool:
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Mai guardi let me know when you have unshackled yourself from mental slavery.

A black Muslim talking about mental slavery

Lucasbalo:
Obviously , you swim in your own world. Do you remember General Powell before the UN given false report to justify the useless war . Do you forget about the Uranium Chenney lied that Iraq obtained from Niger Republic. May God purge the republican toxic out of your system. You are so brainwashed that you will believe any junk Republicons throw at you. You probably believe Global warming is a Chinese hoax like trump too.

Going by that logic, should we claim that Obama doctored the cooked report he received about ISIS and al nusra last year? Because according to you, the president is responsible for a report that isn't factual. Can we agree on that?

Missy89:


A black Muslim talking about mental slavery

??

you can always find your way to the religion section if you're looking for that sort of ruckus

thank you

raumdeuter:


Osama Bin Laden was hiding in Afghanistan and getting backup from the Afghan Taliban govt

Where the terrorists are from is inconsequential, it is the countries that gave them backing that matter. Like Afghanistan

Really? So what was the proposed immigration ban based on? Was it not saying that terrorists come from the banned nations?

oyb:


??

you can always find your way to the religion section if you're looking for that sort of ruckus

thank you

I tried. Muslim section is apparently for muslims only

LordReed:


Really? So what was the proposed immigration ban based on? Was it not saying that terrorists come from the banned nations?

No it was saying that those nations are terrorist hotspots and people traveling from there can't be verified. Maybe you should read it.

Mindfulness:


Ghadaffi was removed with the approval of the UN Security Council.
Mubarak resigned.

#factsmatter

So who are the autocrats you alluded to here?

Mindfulness:
And you actually believe that they get involved to remove autocrats?

Consistency matters?

raumdeuter:


So who are the autocrats you alluded to here?


Consistency matters?

Understanding comes first.

Mindfulness:
Understanding comes first.

I agree you need to understand what you are talking about first, You alluded to some autocratic leaders removed by the US, when you realized that actually it was Obama and Clinton who oversaw the ousters, now comes the backtracking to cover for the goof

You need to have understanding, stay consistent and be factual seems none of these matters to liberals anymore

Missy89:


No it was saying that those nations are terrorist hotspots and people traveling from there can't be verified. Maybe you should read it.

This is what Trump said about the ban:

The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror.

EDIT: SOURCE

LordReed:
This is what Trump said about the ban:

The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror.

Sources of terror means what? their country of birth or the country that harbours them and make then thrive? This is where understanding is key

When fighting Boko Haram which one does it make sense to attack, Shekau's fathers compound where he was born over 40yrs ago, or Sambisa forest where he made his base?