TheGoodJoe:


That is you. What you miss is the dedication and discipline Cristiano Ronaldo has. CR7 is one of my models of footballing success. He has a laser focus to keep himself at the top of his game. He is one of the most dedicated footballers and leaves a healthy lifestyle mostly during the season.

Most clubs or coaches do not have this model. A good example is, Iwobi staying up at night, browsing and chatting. At City, he will not play the next match if he was a starter.

This is not just about Guardiola's training but a model of Barcelona which I see as an ingredient for success in young players. We have three Barca execs running City. One running the academy and Barca academy style coaches in the club.

A year or two under this system will make Nacho flourish in the future.

You can not guarantee that Nacho will get such education at another club. When it comes to training methods, Guardiola is a coach that has a history of players improving with wide margins. Stones and Delph are recent examples. He also improved quality players like Messi, Lewandowski and Alaba.

We can not just want Nacho out of such environment because we want to see his name on headlines.

TheGoodJoe:


I have said it repeatedly. A year or two and then go. The reason why I said go is because at the end he might not fit in exactly. Although I believe with perseverance and Hardwork, he can achieve it. Even play it better than those with the natural abilities.

If he does not make it, he will still become a far better player than he would have in most environment that lack the education we have at City.

maidaboi:
and you think kelechi is not a hard working player then you need to rethink, all the players you metion where geting the drills plus adequate game time. Did he keep messi,stalin,sane,stones and all those you metion on the bench for 1 month on the name of drilling?

maidaboi:
then why waste his time when he can go somewhere else and build on his natural abilities?

TheGoodJoe:


I have said it repeatedly. A year or two and then go. The reason why I said go is because at the end he might not fit in exactly. Although I believe with perseverance and Hardwork, he can achieve it. Even play it better than those with the natural abilities.

If he does not make it, he will still become a far better player than he would have in most environment that lack the education we have at City.

TheGoodJoe:


I have repeatedly stated that I want playing time for Nacho. I wonder how else I will write it again. However, even without playing time, Nacho can still keep developing. Fabian Delph just proved it. I do not need to write something proven.

I am nit saying Nacho is not hard working. I am saying Nacho needs to go beyond that to achieve more than he could ever dream of.

TheGoodJoe:


Ha. I already explained that the training and Discipline will make him a better all round player. It is what we call the modern game. Do you not see how Klopp dropped Benteke despite his brilliant goal scoring ability for Firmino. If Benteke was a young player like Nacho, I would have advised stay, learn and study Firmino. Unfortunately, he is not that young, so he has to make do with what he has.

As for Nacho who is still young, he should learn and then leave to show what he can do with better playing time.

maidaboi:
benteke did not wait for drills from klop and go why can't kelechi do the same. Is aguero not old for drills if benteke was old? how are you sure he is learning when he is not playing he should go where he will get the drills plus adequate game time period

maidaboi:
that is why he should get out of city because there is no game time for him, he should forget about this pep drills

TheGoodJoe:


I have repeatedly stated that I want playing time for Nacho. I wonder how else I will write it again. However, even without playing time, Nacho can still keep developing. Fabian Delph just proved it. I do not need to write something proven.

I am nit saying Nacho is not hard working. I am saying Nacho needs to go beyond that to achieve more than he could ever dream of.

goldfish80:

Fabian Delph have actually been a good player. I watched him at Aston Villa where he was captain and I can tell you he was the heart beat of their team. The guy broke into the English 3 lions team and basically outgrew Aston Villa.
You think Man city will go out of their way and sign a nothing player?
Don't make it out like Delph was basically trash and Pep Guardiola drilled a good player out of him, when on the contrary the Man city transfer derailed his development.

TheGoodJoe:


Ha. I already explained that the training and Discipline will make him a better all round player. It is what we call the modern game. Do you not see how Klopp dropped Benteke despite his brilliant goal scoring ability for Firmino. If Benteke was a young player like Nacho, I would have advised stay, learn and study Firmino. Unfortunately, he is not that young, so he has to make do with what he has.

As for Nacho who is still young, he should learn and then leave to show what he can do with better playing time.

cc12:


Iheanacho needs to leave Man City by the end of the season and that's all. He needs a steady run of games and I assure if he gets it he would return to his goal scoring best.He needs at least straight 900mins of football that is 10 full matches of playing time. He should just leave Man City because he isn't in Guardiola's plan

goldfish80:


Benteke was a Brendan Rodgers signing not Klopp's player. He left because he couldn't fit into the heavy band gengen pressing style of Klopp. He left for a team who plays to his strength.

goldfish80:

Fabian Delph have actually been a good player. I watched him at Aston Villa where he was captain and I can tell you he was the heart beat of their team. The guy broke into the English 3 lions team and basically outgrew Aston Villa.
You think Man city will go out of their way and sign a nothing player?
Don't make it out like Delph was basically trash and Pep Guardiola drilled a good player out of him, when on the contrary the Man city transfer derailed his development.

TheGoodJoe:



Delph was never the player I will say must make the Manchester City starting eleven. He played games for City and was never in the term of what I will say Brilliant. What we saw against Chelsea was absolutely brilliant. Now I can not wait to see him play again for City.

“We’ve gone through the first year with this manager and we have learned a lot. I certainly look at football a lot differently now." - Fabian Delph after Chelsea game.

TheGoodJoe:


Coaches set up their teams in different ways. You can not expect Guardiola and Zidane to operate with the same template. Guardiola is known for making positional changes like converting Mascherano into a defender and playing Alaba in central defence. Playing a winger up front is also not illogical. Iheanacho was in the bench at Manchester City when Pellegrini opted to give James Milner a run as a top striker.

If Zidane does not do it, it does not mean other coaches will not. It does not make Guardiola wrong to make such move or show hatred to Iheanacho.

Guardiola insists he tries to treat all players fairly during training and he does this in line of his vision of how they will play few years ahead. This education is important and we hope Iheanacho soaks them in, including the discipline and lifestyle part.

TheGoodJoe:



Delph was never the player I will say must make the Manchester City starting eleven. He played games for City and was never in the term of what I will say Brilliant. What we saw against Chelsea was absolutely brilliant. Now I can not wait to see him play again for City.

“We’ve gone through the first year with this manager and we have learned a lot. I certainly look at football a lot differently now." - Fabian Delph after Chelsea game.

“Fabian Delph is an excellent player and I am looking forward to working with him. He has made a huge impact in recent seasons at Aston Villa and is now one of the brightest young midfielders in the Premier League.
“Fabian has tremendous skill and energy and the fact that he has become a regular member of the England squad is further evidence of his progress over the past few seasons. At just 25 years old he still has his best years ahead of him.”...... Pelegrini

goldfish80:

Fabian Delph have actually been a good player. I watched him at Aston Villa where he was captain and I can tell you he was the heart beat of their team. The guy broke into the English 3 lions team and basically outgrew Aston Villa.
You think Man city will go out of their way and sign a nothing player?
Don't make it out like Delph was basically trash and Pep Guardiola drilled a good player out of him, when on the contrary the Man city transfer derailed his development.

TheGoodJoe:



Thank you. As much as I criticised some of your points, I can not disagree with your sincere and first hand knowledge of the game.

I personally felt crossed with Guardiola not giving Iheanacho more time after Gabriel Jesus injury and I believed that leaving was the best knowledge.

My first position was Nacho should learn from Guardiola. A year or two. The lack of game time made me feel a year is just enough. The question is, should we sacrifice Nacho's development because of our urge of seeing Iheanacho's name in the headlines of articles?

I wanted Nacho to leave but I was stunned watching Delph play against Chelsea. He looked quality and Yaya's position at City is under threat.

If we can see an honest improvement in Delph with little to no game time, there is a big possibility of Nacho improving without the same.

My vision is not about Nacho becoming a regular at City. I want the young man one of the best in the World but he must not play at City when he is ready. I just want the improvement. Learn what Guardiola wants him to learn.

Mujtahida:

@the goodjoe are you aware that when you insist that Iheanacho should stay in man city to learn whatever he can learn under Gaurdiola you somehow ignore the fact that coaches come in different strains and that whatever he might learn under Pep might just be undone when he finds himself under the tutelage of another coach? Iheanacho should stay in man city to play football but if that is not possible he should move on to another club where he can play.

The Afcon MVP has explained why he eschewed interest from Europe in order to switch to the CSL

goldfish80:




That was Pelegrini speaking after signing Delph. You could see he was rated as one of the brightest midfielders in the Premier league. Delph is no slouch.

If you listen to guys like Delph and Walcot speak you can tell they are well brought up kids. They basically know what to say and when to say it. That was a very diplomatic Delph speaking.

TheSuperNerd:
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