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Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by Image123(m): 10:38am On Apr 11, 2017 |
refiner: Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. The Bible is like a treasure, and the thing about treasures is that they are not often at the surface. You need to search, you need to dig and mine. You may need to refine. So is it with the Word of God. You look for the treasure in it, you look for how it is going to benefit you, because it was sent to benefit you. Perseverance and persistence is the key to success. Notice how the writer to the Romans quotes copiously from the Old Testament and specifically here from Moses to prove what he is saying. It is not rare to see people today look at you as unserious and legalistic when you quote from the Old testament to teach some things. The apostles never saw the Old Testament scriptures as useless or obsolete. Infact, their noble hearers searched the Old Testament to confirm what the apostles were saying. So, we see Paul here also quoting Moses to teach New Testament Roman believers. He saith to Moses. And it still applies till tomorrow. What He says in this instance is " I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. " Surprisingly, what many people just do here is close the book and let's go home. No hope. Let's hope we are among those that God has mercy on. Why not find out, who are those that God will have mercy on? Is there anything that can be done to obtain God's mercy? Any criteria for who God will have mercy on? If God does not appear to have mercy on you, any hope? All these questions are supposed to be asked instead of giving up on God so cheaply as many often do. The writer is still hitting home on God's Sovereignty, that at the end of it all, it is God on the top. You may say you found God, but ultimately god found you. You may say you drew nearer to God like James said to, but ultimately it was God that drew you. You may say God dwells in an unapproachable light, but ultimately God is not far from all of us. And so on and forth. All these sayings and ultimates are all found in scripture, But let God be all in all, giving God all the glory, and God being true and everyman a liar. So, god will have mercy on whom He will have mercy. Here are some scriptures that show us people that can receive God's mercy. Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him ; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. God will have mercy on who He will have mercy. This three scriptures show us some of them. Time and space would fail me to mention more for now. Now, is it possible to not have God's mercy before and later have it? Yes. Remember the story of Jonah and the people of Nineveh. Also, consider this new testament passage. 1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. Mercy there was great, and grace was free, Pardon there was multiplied to me, There my burdened soul found liberty, AT CALVARY Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy. Rom 9:17 For the Scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. It is not of your running but ultimately, it is God that shows mercy. Where would we be without His mercy. It is not by power or by might but by God's Spirit. Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall, but they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength. Are these scriptures calling us to inaction or fate? No. You still need to read for that exam, prepare for that interview, plan that project, keep that body fit etc. But God takes the ultimate glory. Why is then, we come to this passage, and we lose all other knowledge of God and His ways? We still need to believe and confess and follow. Don't just sit in sin and darkness and say it is not of him that willeth. Get up anf fight the good fight of faith, do ALL to stand and stand therfore, putting on the WHOLE armour of God. Jesus said it is God that draws, but the same Jesus promised to draw all men. Are His promises not all yea and Amen? Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. Has He been lifted up? Yes Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up : Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man , then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. He has drawn all men. no one has an excuse of i was not drawn. If you feel you have not been drawn, then draw yourself. Jam 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. He will draw nigh to you, that is the promise for you. Now, to pharaoh. The Scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. The scripture! Genesis is scripture, so also is Exodus. here is paul quoting from Exodus to establish verse 18's THEREFORE. What is wrong with what God said to pharaoh? Nothing. The same statement can be said of anybody. "Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth." God wants us to be used to show His power and glory, and that His name may be declared in all the earth. However, however, there is a law of sowing and reaping on ground. You reap what you sow. Gala 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. If you sow hardness of heart, don't be surprised if God gives you a hardened heart. Pharaoh could repent if he wanted to, as was seen in this scripture, Exo 9:27 And Pharaoh sent, and called for Moses and Aaron, and said unto them, I have sinned this time: the LORD is righteous, and I and my people are wicked. God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Do you also know that Pharaoh hardened his own heart too? 1Sa 6:6 Wherefore then do ye harden your hearts, as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? when he had wrought wonderfully among them, did they not let the people go, and they departed? Exo 9:34 And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart , he and his servants. God knows our hearts too like He knew Pharaoh's and knew the Israelites. While it is called today, harden not your heart. Deu 31:21 And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I swore. |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by ReubenE(m): 10:38am On Apr 11, 2017 |
Minemrys:I must admit you made a very fine presentation here. There is a place in the book of Matthew where an important question is raised about one being wrong for doing whatever he likes with his property? Christ raised this question when he likened the kingdom of Heaven to a vineyard where the owner hired laborers to work with a penny each. Those he hired in the eleventh hour also got a penny. Those the owner hired earlier in the day started complaining of being treated unfairly. In reaction, the vine owner said to the workers, I hired you to work for a penny i.e the agreement between himself and the workers. In conclusion, the owner asked, is it wrong for me to do whatever I want with my own? what this means is that God does whatever he likes with his own....whether he is partial with his own, I don't think anybody can explain it correctly except the owner. 1 Like |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by pirees: 10:39am On Apr 11, 2017 |
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Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by Image123(m): 10:39am On Apr 11, 2017 |
@refiner, You may read up more in the thread below. https://www.nairaland.com/1330225/salient-points-epistle-romans/6#18139481 |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by eodavids(m): 10:48am On Apr 11, 2017 |
Barbz4u101: Sorry, you went out of the point, into the bush: Note that the Egyptians you sympathize with were cruel and play 'god' without recognizing the only God that created all. For their cruelty and stubbornness even while the Almighty displayed his powers in their land, they chased after the people whom God had set tree from slavery. The Egyptians thus died in their bid to play God. But in the case of Nebuchadnezzar, he acknowledged God Almighty when the Most High displayed His powers before him and Nebuchadnezzar was not destroyed.... Do you now see the way God operates, by searching men's hearts? |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by luvmijeje(f): 10:50am On Apr 11, 2017 |
Another ignorant thread. Another wanna be applying worldly wisdom into God's words. |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by ReubenE(m): 10:55am On Apr 11, 2017 |
2dugged:Alright |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by hotspec(m): 11:01am On Apr 11, 2017 |
zionmade:Show me where Jesus accused Judas of theft. Besides, how does my brain work? N*t w*t born-again christian- was that how u were told by ur pastor to win soul. Ure worse than Judas |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by CHARLOE(m): 11:02am On Apr 11, 2017 |
2dugged:So sorry 4 ur loss. Things like this woke me from my slumber n got me thinking. Bitter truth: good & bad things happen to people of all races, religion, tribe, colour etc. When good things (child birth, marriage, new job, good health etc) happen to a xtian, he says its a miracle by Jesus/God n thank/praise him n even goes further to give money/material gifts to him (thru his self-appointed priest called pastors, who never fails to drum its importance to d members). When bad things (sickness, accident, death, robbery etc) happen to him/his loved ones, he blames d ever ready scape goat, Satan/devil d bad guy (apologies to falz). Likewise d Muslim, gives thanks n offering to Allah for d good things n blame bado Satan/shaytan for d bad ones. Can't u see its all about control n business? We're just lucky to be alive, healthy, survive an accident, deliver safely etc n unlucky when unfortunate things happen. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by hopefulLandlord: 11:07am On Apr 11, 2017 |
eodavids: I'm afraid this is where I come in I totally disagree with what you're implying here, I put it to you that you're ignoring biblical verses and talking off a tangent saying the Pharoah deserved what God did to him. Okay, sure, maybe he was a complete dick. What about the fact that God went through and killed all of the Egyptian first born children? God literally made the Pharoah just let that happen because he kept hardening his heart. It makes no sense from a moral standpoint to threaten to kill someone's children if they don't give you something, but every time they have a chance to give you what you want you make it impossible. Hell, it never made sense to me either way why he killed their children. He's supposed to literally be the moral authority for all of humanity. He's supposed to judge us and tell us how we did in life when we die, but he goes around killing innocent children just because their parents bleeped up. "But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go" (and variations upon that theme). God repeatedly forced Pharaoh to refuse, then punished Pharaoh (for the coerced refusal) by sending various plagues, up to and including murdering all the firstborn children of Egypt. And to add insult to injury, after he had slaughtered the children and permitted Pharaoh to free the Israelites, "the Lord gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they lent unto them such things as they required. And they spoiled the Egyptians." So, at any time, God could have simply moved them to let the Israelites go, without need for inflicting rains of frogs and bloody rivers, killing all their livestock, and murdering their children. But he waited to do that until after he had mostly sated his sadistic tendencies. (I say "mostly", for a couple of chapters later, he once again abrogated Pharaoh's free will, "hardening his heart" to make him pursue the Israelites.) 3 Likes |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by zionmade(m): 11:07am On Apr 11, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:U have an option to eat dinner or not. If u eat dinner ok or maybe it will purge u. If u dnt eat dinner he knows wat will happen. If u eat it at home he knows wat will happen if u eat outside he knows wat effect it will have on ur married life etc I said it earlier i hate responding to big bangies or chimpanzee evolutes and dis will be my final response to u because i dnt argue with d devil |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by hopefulLandlord: 11:08am On Apr 11, 2017 |
zionmade: so god does not know what I'll eat for dinner, if I'll eat dinner at all you are needed here https://www.nairaland.com/3718157/rapture-took-place-sunday-70/1 |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by zionmade(m): 11:08am On Apr 11, 2017 |
hotspec:I follow after Jesus. In his voice WOE UNTO U SONS OF THE DEVIL. go and ask him if dat was how he won souls |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by zionmade(m): 11:10am On Apr 11, 2017 |
pirees:I only respond to christians and ur spelling of the name of my God makes me think u are not one. So get behind me satan |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by ziga: 11:20am On Apr 11, 2017 |
Minemrys: Thank you!!! |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by FTBOY: 11:34am On Apr 11, 2017 |
[s] BigBrother9ja:[/s]kill yourself.
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Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by hotspec(m): 11:34am On Apr 11, 2017 |
zionmade:When u get to hell, u can ask Lucifer what he did to u |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by pirees: 11:44am On Apr 11, 2017 |
zionmade:bro pls respond, I am a christian pls I have other few questions to ask |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by sonofthunder: 12:01pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
God is not partial. |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by jnrbayano(m): 12:20pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
Nobleking2000: The artist is not partial. He decides to paint and also decides to undo his painting. He doesn't share any prerogative with anybody or thing |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by sayad009: 12:26pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
Went 2 c a friend some day. He was at his poultry trying 2 catch some birds from the cage... He had promised his kids two of the birds for the forthcoming festival. Thus he purposed to catch d big ones. Of course it was not easy to catch the big ones as every of d birds 'jump' franctically but finally he caught d birds. I discovered dat some of d birds could be easily caught but they weren't big enough to his 'taste' so he overlooked them... Hummn!.. Maybe I should ask, was my friend partial? |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by jnrbayano(m): 12:27pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
Mujtahida: You are human because God made you so not big bang. The decision to make you was taken without your consent (even before you were formed) The feelings and all making you a human, God bestowed on you. The maker (God) doesn't share prerogative with the made (You) A father/mother doesn't create lives. God does albeit through them. I predict that you will not accept this to answer "an elite who has attained a mental emancipation" That's an irony because accepting it is that emancipation of the mind. |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by CHARLOE(m): 12:30pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:Very sadistic! Yet, to us, pharaoh & stubbornness are synonymous forgetting it was god that kept hardening his heart. Same way d war-mongering Israelites Invaded peaceful n prosperous cities like Canaan/Jericho commiting atricities; killed, looted, stole, raped etc. Yet, in churches today, u hear ignorant xtians sing: 'd walls of Jericho came down flat'. |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by snowblaq(f): 12:31pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
frank317:.... Thank God that you are alive.....that is all that should matter to you...He is God and He can do whatever He wants and He owes nobody any explanations.....you are not in a position to try and justify what He does. ..say Thank you for what He has done for you and move on.....there is no argument...God is God...whether we accept it..or not...simple |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by adecares(f): 12:31pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
God is neither partial nor questionable. That's why you need to make heaven and ask him all did questions that u are asking us. 1 Like |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by snowblaq(f): 12:35pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
An2elect2:.....Just like you decide what to eat at what time...what to wear...where to go......so also does God decide who to have mercy on and who not to....He is God...whether we accept it or not....nobody is in a position to question Him.....you do not necessarily have to like the way He acts....that does not make Him any less of the God He is..... |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by ojuu4u(m): 12:35pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
zionmade: d fact remains that God is partial/political, is it that make him not to be God? Capital NO, God is still God. you people should stop bending Bible necessarily just to defend God, my God doesn't need anybody to defend him, you people make Christianity complex for human kind to accept , when u confused urself , how will u convince others, |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by An2elect2(f): 12:38pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
snowblaq:LMAO That's what I know too! |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by jaxxy(m): 12:59pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
refiner: Cain and abel presented an offering yo Gid. Cains own ws rejected by abels own ws accepted. Cain ws upset abd asked God y? And God said if u had done the right thing like ur broda i wud hv accepted ur offering. Here its about d choices u make not being partial. David ws loved by God more than saul not because he wanted it so bt david understood God and knew how to get his attention. He praised God alot more than most men dat ever lived. He ws humble... God didn't wish saul to fail bt sauls attitude caused it even though both men sinned against God several times. Check their attitudes were clearly different. |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by glossy6(f): 1:04pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
refiner: My favourite bible verses |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by CHARLOE(m): 1:48pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
jaxxy:In other words, Cain shld have known god loves roast meat, d smell of burnt flesh, not yam or plantain, issokay. Why will an Omni science, omni present, Omni everything God love praise so much, like a man with a big ego? Is it not same bible that advise us to shun d praise of men and admonishes us to be like God/Jesus? He also says he's a jealous god, yet admonishes believers not to be jealous. D bible encourages xtians to be slow to anger but on several occasions in d old testament, god loses his temper easily n kills swiftly. I could go on & on |
Re: Don't You Think God Is A Partial God? by jaxxy(m): 2:00pm On Apr 11, 2017 |
CHARLOE: My bro u r confused bt i will take my time to explain even tho u shud know wat i tried to say earlier bt u want to be difficult on a simple thing. 1st of its not about roasted meat bt about ur best. Cain brought d worst of his grain, wheat and yam. Its not like Gid will eat them bt its show the state of ur heart and appreciation. 2.Being jealous isn't bad if i doesn't make u sin. 3.God is quite slow to anger to u wont understand cos u don't want to. Just Look arrnd u and u will see. I really don't like going into religious stuffs or arguements bt i will state wat i think is true based on wat i know or is obvious. Cheers |
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