Henry240:


No dipsh1t, I'm directly quoting SAAB. Only problem is, there virtually exists no South-African smart enough to fly the Gripen, hence you are stuck with 9 pilots.

What's the point of sitting with 26 planes when you only have pilots for 9 if them. Damn, 18 solid years to train 9 pilots. That's very shameful.

NAF has more combat sorties or any type of sortie than all Air Forces south of the Sahara.

We also have a massive pool of pilots to choose from, including modern assets they fly. Why should I be ashamed of that?

The SAAF continues to prove it is a completely worthless force, with no pool of qualified individuals to pick from.

Go masturbate with an SAAF Gripen picture, while real combat pilots in Nigeria fly real combat missions all across Africa.

R3tard!

No squadron is fully manned at peacetime even in wartime.

The number of planes allows the air force to deploy, safe guard, train and maintain airframes simultaneously.


You can even ask someone like Nemesis2u.

MikeCZA:
No squadron is fully manned at peacetime even in wartime.

The number of planes allows the air force to deploy, safe guard, train and maintain airframes simultaneously.


You can even ask someone like Nemesis2u.

We are talking about the inability of the SAAF to raise any decent number of Gripen pilots in 18 years.

Your Air Force constantly has to beg SAA for pilots.

The number of planes was as a result of the fact the SAAF Gripens were mothballed before a public out cry.

Your flight time is low, the force still finds it difficult to buy fuel for an aircraft that is supposedly cheap to fly.

The SAAF us a complete embarrassment.

Henry240:


No dipsh1t, I'm directly quoting SAAB. Only problem is, there virtually exists no South-African smart enough to fly the Gripen, hence you are stuck with 9 pilots.

What's the point of sitting with 26 planes when you only have pilots for 9 if them. Damn, 18 solid years to train 9 pilots. That's very shameful.

NAF has more combat sorties or any type of sortie than all Air Forces south of the Sahara.

We also have a massive pool of pilots to choose from, including modern assets they fly. Why should I be ashamed of that?

The SAAF continues to prove it is a completely worthless force, with no pool of qualified individuals to pick from.

Go masturbate with an SAAF Gripen picture, while real combat pilots in Nigeria fly real combat missions all across Africa.

R3tard!

- did i say SAAB was wrong retardo?? I fvcking agreed that the Gripen is one of the easiest 4th gen fighters in the world to fly.........or are you so fvcking illiterate that you couldn't fully comprehend what was written in my post?

- 13 Pilots......Which is more than the entire operational NAF fleet.

- No NAF doesn't........... SAAF is the 2nd oldest air force in the world, and has flown Combat sorties in almost all of the majors wars since the last century...........SAAF has been around 40 years longer than your fvcking country.

- You might think 7 operational platforms is a lot.......but really it isn't much, even Lesotho has more operational platforms!

- You mean real white men fly combat missions for Nigeria.......as proven by VICE.

quote author=jln115 post=55480512]
Yeah i know!! shocking how someone can say the Gripen is not worth 65 million yet Air forces around the world prefer it above much cheaper and according to Henry much more capable aircraft.[/quote]

You've gone full retar3d with this one.

No, Air Forces around the world do not prefer the Gripen. Only Sweden the maker and South-Africa, a very unfortunate buyer has the jet in any meaningful numbers.

The Gripen should not cost above 25 million, it is simply an overpriced piece of western kit, which happens to compete in a light category were there are no Western alternatives.

Fact, if the Gripen was Russian it would go for 10 - 15 million, same price range as the Yak-130.

I never said the Gripen is a capable aircraft.

MikeCZA:
No squadron is fully manned at peacetime even in wartime.

The number of planes allows the air force to deploy, safe guard, train and maintain airframes simultaneously.


You can even ask someone like Nemesis2u.

Mike, the problem is that no rational discussion can be had with this fellow. The arrogant ignorance ensures someone who crows about the Saudis offering the NAF line maintenance of its Hercs, not realising it for the insult it is.

Henry240:
quote author=jln115 post=55480512]
Yeah i know!! shocking how someone can say the Gripen is not worth 65 million yet Air forces around the world prefer it above much cheaper and according to Henry much more capable aircraft.

You've gone full retar3d with this one.

No, Air Forces around the world do not prefer the Gripen. Only Sweden the maker and South-Africa, a very unfortunate buyer has the jet in any meaningful numbers.

The Gripen should not cost above 25 million, it is simply an overpriced piece of western kit, which happens to compete in a light category were there are no Western alternatives.

Fact, if the Gripen was Russian it would go for 10 - 15 million, same price range as the Yak-130.

I never said the Gripen is a capable aircraft.

Only Sweden and South Africa you say......I guess Thailand(up to 40), Hungary(12) ,Czech Republic(14) , Brazil(up to 120) don't count?

Over priced yet, it's chosen above the much cheaper Su30

If it was Russian it would be cheap i agree........because it will be sh1t like the JF17.

Lastly comprehension seems to be a major problem for you lately, since i never said you said the Gripen was a capable aircraft.

frumentius:

Mike, the problem is that no rational discussion can be had with this fellow. The arrogant ignorance ensures someone who crows about the Saudis offering the NAF line maintenance of its Hercs, not realising it for the insult it is.

The problem with you South-Africans is, your utter stupidity.

A Saudi company, a company that does not represent the Saudi government or interests. Any company with favourable terms is free to do business in Nigeria. Don't blame the Saudis for taking advantage of that.

Like I've multiple times, NAF carries out all PDM in Nigeria by itself, including comprehensive overhauls.



This is the alternate universe you stupid South-Africans leave in, you use Cubans to maintain Your Own military vehicles, vehicles you claim to have built, yet you point fingers at Nigeria. LMFAO!!

jln115:


Only Sweden and South Africa you say......I guess Thailand(up to 40), Hungary(12) ,Czech Republic(14) , Brazil(up to 120) don't count?

Over priced yet, it's chosen above the much cheaper Su30

If it was Russian it would be cheap i agree........because it will be sh1t like the JF17.

Lastly comprehension seems to be a major problem for you lately, since i never said you said the Gripen was a capable aircraft.

Thai Air Force has ordered 12 Gripens, the service only has 7 in service.

Brazilian Gripens are the E/F variants

Hungary and Czech Gripens are loaned not bought.

Like I said, only an unfortunate SAAF fly them in any huge numbers.

Thailand buys purely western aircrafts, there is only one aircrafts of Russian origin in Thai service.

With the JF-17 we are getting a solid aircraft comparable to the F-16 block 52. A fighter that provides the bang for the buck. We couldn't have made a better cost effective choice.

I can assure you, we won't spend 18 years training 9 pilots.


. ...i said Iit is good, I never said capable, I also went on to say it isn't worth 65 - 70 million, the best price should be 25 million.

jln115:


- No NAF doesn't........... SAAF is the 2nd oldest air force in the world, and has flown Combat sorties in almost all of the majors wars since the last century...........SAAF has been around 40 years longer than your fvcking country.

- VICE.

are u daft?

jln115:

- did i say SAAB was wrong retardo?? I fvcking agreed that the Gripen is one of the easiest 4th gen fighters in the world to fly.........or are you so fvcking illiterate that you couldn't fully comprehend what was written in my post?

- 13 Pilots......Which is more than the entire operational NAF fleet.

- No NAF doesn't........... SAAF is the 2nd oldest air force in the world, and has flown Combat sorties in almost all of the majors wars since the last century...........SAAF has been around 40 years longer than your fvcking country.

- You might think 7 operational platforms is a lot.......but really it isn't much, even Lesotho has more operational platforms!

- You mean real white men fly combat missions for Nigeria.......as proven by VICE.

What white men, can you post the faces of this white men flying Nigerian aircrafts?

What I know, not think is the fact that the SAAF is a completely incompetent force that cannot fly it's aircrafts, cannot fuel it's aircrafts, cannot maintain them, has low flying hours, apart from the VIP squadron and constantly has to beg a commercial airliner for pilots. These are facts!


SAAF doesn't have more than 9 Gripen pilots, we all know this. The DA's former shadow minister, exposed the SAAF for the fraud it is.


If the plane is so easy to fly, why is the SAAF struggling to get pilots to fly them? The country lacks the men to fly the world's simplest jet!! Utterly ridiculous and pathetic.

Henry240:


We are talking about the inability of the SAAF to raise any decent number of Gripen pilots in 18 years.

Your Air Force constantly has to beg SAA for pilots.

The number of planes was as a result of the fact the SAAF Gripens were mothballed before a public out cry.

Your flight time is low, the force still finds it difficult to buy fuel for an aircraft that is supposedly cheap to fly.

The SAAF us a complete embarrassment.

Pilots aren't kept with the squadron which operates the Gripens.

Austerity measures means the Gripens are rotated.

Let's now address the issue of flight hours you are they are low but what air force in Africa are comparing them with?

Embarrassment? Not necessarily when the air force is still capable of deploying numbers like these: Note no other air force in sub Saharan Africa can! if you dispute this name one.

Henry240:


The problem with you South-Africans is, your utter stupidity.

A Saudi company, a company that does not represent the Saudi government or interests. Any company with favourable terms is free to do business in Nigeria. Don't blame the Saudis for taking advantage of that.

Like I've multiple times, NAF carries out all PDM in Nigeria by itself, including comprehensive overhauls.



This is the alternate universe you stupid South-Africans leave in, you use Cubans to maintain Your Own military vehicles, vehicles you claim to have built, yet you point fingers at Nigeria. LMFAO!!

Do you even know what line maintenance is? I'll help you out directly from the horse's mouth:

Line maintenance, which is often completed within a short period of time and does not require specialized equipment, training or facilities, can be performed either on the flight line or on-site at a customer’s premises.

Intermediate maintenance is more often performed at a maintenance center due to the higher level of tools, equipment and training required.

Heavy maintenance and major inspections on any Lockheed Martin C-130 can only be performed either in-house at Lockheed Martin Authorized C-130 Hercules Service Centers or directly at the operator’s facilities.

The Lockheed Martin global network of Authorized C-130 Hercules Service Centers is located in close proximity to customer facilities to perform these services.

Now tell me, why do you need a Saudi company to perform what every other respectable air force does in-house?

MikeCZA:

Embarrassment? Not necessarily when the air force is still capable of deploying numbers like these: Note no other air force in sub Saharan Africa can! if you dispute this name one.

where was this pic taken

frumentius:


Do you even know what line maintenance is? I'll help you out directly from the horse's mouth:



Now tell me, why do you need a Saudi company to perform what every other respectable air force does in-house?

AIRCRAFT MAINTENANCE: ALSALAM AEROSPACE EXPRESSES DESIRE TO PARTNER NAF

The [b]Alsalam Aerospace Industries of Saudi Arabia has expressed the desire to be involved in the line Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul (MRO) of the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) C-130H aircraft. [/b]This was disclosed today by the Vice President of the company, Aloraifi Abdulaziz when he led other top management team on a courtesy visit to the Chief of Air Staff (CAS), Air Marshal Sadique Abubakar at the Headquarters NAF in Abuja. The delegation had earlier inspected the NAF C-130 facilities in Lagos and presented its report to the NAF for consideration and possible collaboration.

In his response, the CAS reaffirmed the importance of the C-130 aircraft in support of the counterinsurgency operation in the North East and urged the company to look beyond the commercial benefit by focusing on the humanitarian aspect. “We thank you for coming and we believe you have all it takes to support the NAF and by extension humanity. We have no doubt that you have the excellent capacity to deliver based on your technical know-how. We therefore urge you to consider the partnership as service to humanity,” Air Marshal Abubakar said.


Read you dumb fvck it is not a crime . No wonder the SANDF is a mess, with guys like you in it.

A whole area of possible partnership included, but the man with a mission decides to pick only one of the aforementioned areas of possible partnership.

While you are at it, post evidence of Denel engineers working at the NAF C-130 workshop. I can post pictures of NAF engineers and other partners working, why don't you do the same?

Odunayaw:
where was this pic taken

At a photoshoot in South Africa, where else?

Odunayaw:
where was this pic taken

Durban South Africa.


Even appearances at air shows are undertaken as missions.

MikeCZA:
Pilots aren't kept with the squadron which operates the Gripens.

Austerity measures means the Gripens are rotated.

Let's now address the issue of flight hours you are they are low but what air force in Africa are comparing them with?

Embarrassment? Not necessarily when the air force is still capable of deploying numbers like these: Note no other air force in sub Saharan Africa can! if you dispute this name one.

Pilots aren't kept there because you don't have them.

Austerity measures = you don't have money for fuel. No more to train pilots, and no money to fly the planes, well apart from an airshow .

Nigerian Air Force.

Deploying numbers like that for a photoshoot.
That's were they are potent, taking pictures.

Yes, no other Air Force can take better photos than the SAAF. However the Nigerian Air Force is capable of deploying thousands of kilometres away from home, while conducting operations in the North-East and patrol ops in the gulf of guinea.

This is an actual Air Force.

Henry240:


A whole area of possible partnership included, but the man with a mission decides to pick only one of the aforementioned areas of possible partnership.

While you are at it, post evidence of Denel engineers working at the NAF C-130 workshop. I can post pictures of NAF engineers and other partners working, why don't you do the same?

That's funny. Says the man who brought in Denel when posting about line maintenance. Did you miss the part where LM says

Heavy maintenance and major inspections on any Lockheed Martin C-130 can only be performed either in-house at Lockheed Martin Authorized C-130 Hercules Service Centers or directly at the operator’s facilities.

?

Generator noise and fumes clearly have affected you. I'll help you out, they're talking about Denel and 9 other centres in the above quote. And don't pretend you didn't see that Denel Aviation ad I posted where they were recruiting people to work on NAF Hercs.

Henry240:


Thai Air Force has ordered 12 Gripens, the service only has 7 in service.

Brazilian Gripens are the E/F variants

Hungary and Czech Gripens are loaned not bought.

Like I said, only an unfortunate SAAF fly them in any huge numbers.

Thailand buys purely western aircrafts, there is only one aircrafts of Russian origin in Thai service.

With the JF-17 we are getting a solid aircraft comparable to the F-16 block 52. A fighter that provides the bang for the buck. We couldn't have made a better cost effective choice.

I can assure you, we won't spend 18 years training 9 pilots.


. ...i said Iit is good, I never said capable, I also went on to say it isn't worth 65 - 70 million, the best price should be 25 million.

- And? they ordered 12!

- And? It's just an upgraded Gripen C, still basically the same aircraft with added performance.....basically like You're F7s vs Mig21s

- They still operate it, if they wanted a different aircraft they would've loaned a different aircraft

- They still chose it above the Su30.......If it was as sh1t/overly priced as you say they would've opted for a much cheaper aircraft.

- With the JF 17 you're are getting a 3rd Gen upgraded mig 21!

- Yes, you'll spend time training more pilots to complement your woeful 7 operational platform fleet......Rather than fighter pilots.

- I fvcking know you never said it was capable......hence why i never said, you said it was capable retardo!

Henry240:

At a photoshoot in South Africa, where else?

Can you provide evidence of any sub Saharan African air force capable of deploying such numbers!

None! Then no African residing below the Saharan desert can say an air force capable of deploying such numbers is an embarrassment.

frumentius:


That's funny. Says the man who brought in Denel when posting about line maintenance. Did you miss the part where LM says
?

Generator noise and fumes clearly have affected you. I'll help you out, they're talking about Denel and 9 other centres in the above quote. And don't pretend you didn't see that Denel Aviation ad I posted where they were recruiting people to work on NAF Hercs.

Where are the Denel engineers in Nigeria?

Stop beating around the bush, dumb boy?

Where us the Denel maintenance contract?

Henry240:


What white men, can you post the faces of this white men flying Nigerian aircrafts?

What I know, not think is the fact that the SAAF is a completely incompetent force that cannot fly it's aircrafts, cannot fuel it's aircrafts, cannot maintain them, has low flying hours, apart from the VIP squadron and constantly has to beg a commercial airliner for pilots. These are facts!


SAAF doesn't have more than 9 Gripen pilots, we all know this. The DA's former shadow minister, exposed the SAAF for the fraud it is.


If the plane is so easy to fly, why is the SAAF struggling to get pilots to fly them? The country lacks the men to fly the world's simplest jet!! Utterly ridiculous and pathetic.

- the golden haired prince charming on the Vice documentary flying your Hind

- Emotional B.S

- Nope it 13 buddy as of last year

- Again , There are more SAAF Gripen pilots than the entire operational NAF fleet!!

jln115:


- [s]And? they ordered 12!

- And? It's just an upgraded Gripen C, still basically the same aircraft with added performance.....basically like You're F7s vs Mig21s

- They still operate it, if they wanted a different aircraft they would've loaned a different aircraft

- They still chose it above the Su30.......If it was as sh1t/overly priced as you say they would've opted for a much cheaper aircraft.

- With the JF 17 you're are getting a 3rd Gen upgraded mig 21!

- Yes, you'll spend time training more pilots to complement your woeful 7 operational platform fleet......Rather than fighter pilots[/s].

Incoherent argument as expected, come back when you have more than 9 Gripen pilots.

I hope your Air Force is now able to purchase fuel?

Odunayaw:
are u daft?

Facts bro look it up!

MikeCZA:
Durban South Africa.


Even appearances at air shows are undertaken as missions.

5 hawks, five gripens

c'mon Mike don't disgrace urslf

jln115:


Facts bro look it up!

u r very stupid 4 dat statement

I mean what sane man calls anoda country a fvcking country. what Ill upbringing did you have

If u ever paid attention in school u'd have seen/heard Nigeria started in 1914

Henry240:


Incoherent argument as expected, come back when you have more than 9 Gripen pilots.

I hope your Air Force is now able to purchase fuel?

I'll stop when NAF have more than 7 operational platforms

MikeCZA:
Can you provide evidence of any sub Saharan African air force capable of deploying such numbers!

None! Then no African residing below the Saharan desert can say an air force capable of deploying such numbers is an embarrassment.

Deploying as far away as Gambia under quick notice ones again proves the capability of the Nigerian Air Force above any other in Sub-Saharan Africa.

We are talking operational deployment and you are here posting photos of aircrafts in South-Africa. Pathetic sore loser. That's the best your hopeless Air Force can come up with.

Odunayaw:
u r very stupid 4 dat statement

I mean what sane man calls anoda country a fvcking country. what Ill upbringing did you have

If u ever paid attention in school u'd have seen/heard Nigeria started in 1914

Wasn't it called British Nigeria before 1960??

jln115:

I'll stop when NAF have more than 7 operational platforms

I want to talk about your fuel issue and why after 18 years you have only 9 Gripen pilots?

Odunayaw:
5 hawks, five gripens

c'mon Mike don't disgrace urslf

Show us more than 3 NAF F7s or 3 NAF Alpha Jets in the Air

Henry240:


I want to talk about your fuel issue and why after 18 years you have only 9 Gripen pilots?

At least by your standards we have nine fighter pilots.....how come NAF have less operational aircraft than Lesotho?