It is not the flatness of earth or its disc shape that bothers me. It is fact that we are on our own. Floating in space without knowing where in cosmos we are heading to.

I really love this forum I love the way u guys try to know I want u guys to stop believing one post I want u to do so many research to bring out the real fact God bless y' all

Lol. OP I have just three questions I'd like you to answer. If the earth is flat and static...

1) It would have edges. Where are they located?
2) What is responsible for the day and night phenomenon?
3) Why does the sun APPEAR to rise from the east and set at the west, casting shadows of varying length as it progresses?

hayoholla:
I agree totally with the op's assertion, I was one of those gullibles of the so called science textbooks.what I believe it is, is that the earth is indeed flat shaped with "circular edges" the circular edges is the near 360 degree antarctic ice curvature. This gave rise to the hollow earth theory at the so called north and south pole( I dont believe those poles exist though, cos they are the same pole) the hollow earth is what a deciesive curvature which infact is not. Pls those arguing for the circular earth theory, open your mind, although nobody is forcing you to belive. Have you guys seen the film "matrix", we are put to sleep by different method of those in power. Believe it or not! Knowledge is power and they know this, that is why we were forced to be under hypnosis using different method, because the majority agrees on something does not makes it valid, we have been mass hypnotised for long. That is why we dont want to leave our comfort zone they placed us in. Take for example the live of jesus, nobody believed in him, not even his kindred they thought of him as mad. Someone from nowhere coming to displace long established mosaic law? They thought it as absurd and ridiculous, at the end of the day he was justified, even though some stl doubt his teachings.
Read this books by dolores cannon "jesus and the essenes" you will be alarmed at the magnitude of intentional harm the church has done to the bible. Evidence has it in the book that jesus infact learned astronomy amd astrology and many ancient wisdom of the eesenic sect, but if you read literatures today, they branded them as heretics. Google qumran, rsearch more about it.


And finally google admiral richard bryd expedition and you will be surprised why most of this things are hidden from us, the shocking exposition of admiral byrd discovery has been made secret by the us govt, no one has the fact except them. It is only his diary that gave us a clue on his discovery at the pole. Do you believe the nearer and farther you get to and from the pole, the more temperate it becomes( no one has explantion for this) but our science textbooks told us that the poles are mainly of ice and nothing more! Please read, research and challenge fact. Science is not a true validator after all, because it deals with avaliable facts, experiments and observations, when they say what we see is not actually what we get!

Thank you. Op god bless you. Billyonaire I sight you

Hello,can you post a good source to admiral Richard expedition to the north pole?

Billyonaire:
It is not the flatness of earth or its disc shape that bothers me. It is fact that we are on our own. Floating in space without knowing where in cosmos we are heading to.

Can you explain? Does it mean there are no planets,solar system,galaxies etc?

mjconcept:

Can you explain? Does it mean there are no planets,solar system,galaxies etc?

What if there are none? Think about it

Apollux:

Lol, u need to watch the funny caricature videos done by flat earthers on the moon landing, they were really hilarious. But on a more serious note when u look at what science have been shoving down our throats in school, there r so many gaps, half truths and lots of "missing links" . Now can u believe that with all the hypes and stories on dinosaurs, bones, recreations, depictions, pictures, images etc of these assumed extinct animals, not a single complete fossil skeleton of a dinosaur have be found. That means no single complete skeleton of any dinosaur species have been seen. Yet you have tones and tones of books, publications, journals, lectures even degrees are awarded on the study of dinosaurs, yet not a single complete skeleton have been found. Still they want us to accept what they present as facts.
Someone will go to an excavation site, dig out some bones, make a full skeleton out of it, create a believable image from it. Then tell me that bone have been in the ground for more than 150 million years! Are these guys crazy? Do they know how long 150 million years is? And they think a bone can survive that long and still look recognizable? And we students will just accept it because a professor said it without even using common sense to critically examine what is been presented to us.... After all we r just dere to get our certificate.

You talk like u are scientist and at the same like you are not....
Science don't just shove things down our throat...

Im sure u are aware of carbon dating..this is a proven scientific method that tells d approximate age of any object containing organic material so they ddnt just quote any figure...

In addition a archaeologist/ biologist need not see an entire fully connected skeletal structure to be able to determine what class of animal or species it could be.

You are talking like scientist don't have enough records of existing animals for them to be able to reach some levels of conclusion..

For example a biologist can deduce so many information from just a skull...without seeing the remaining part of the skeleton.. a skull alone can tell if an animal is reptile or mammal, the skull will also carry the dentition which will give information of either flesh eaters or herbivores or omnivores...and so many more

An ordinary pelvic girdle bone can tell if it's male or female..if it's egg laying or mammal, if it had a tail or not,....if it had given birth before or not....
And the more a full size dinosaur remains has never been seen is what made scientist speculate that probably a catastrophic phenomenon probably caused them to extinct...Bones do not decay...if full length skeleton of mummys have been recovered in ancient egypt and Tanzania where the oldest human bones have been seen .....it only means the scientist were right about their speculation of a large explosion hitting earth scattering every single living thing..
So oga..these are not random conclusion they shove down our throat...though I partially agree that mistakes could happen. thats why research keeps going on to either counter a claim or further support it. And there have been enuf supporting research than counter claim

ChiefSweetus:
BuddhaPalm

Uzo my man...

Tell the fine gentleman to explain time zones, GPS and the earth's shadow during a lunar eclipse.

The heavenly bodies we can see with our eyes are also round, it would be odd if ours were shaped differently.

Reading this thread hurt me physically at the stupidity of my fellow Nigerians.


OP even said that density was the cause of everything being stuck to the ground. Density, which imputes gravity in its function

coolsegun2002:




You talk like u are scientist and at the same like you are not....
Science don't just shove things down our throat...

Im sure u are aware of carbon dating..this is a proven scientific method that tells d approximate age of any object containing organic material so they ddnt just quote any figure...

In addition a archaeologist/ biologist need not see an entire fully connected skeletal structure to be able to determine what class of animal or species it could be.

You are talking like scientist don't have enough records of existing animals for them to be able to reach some levels of conclusion..

For example a biologist can deduce so many information from just a skull...without seeing the remaining part of the skeleton.. a skull alone can tell if an animal is reptile or mammal, the skull will also carry the dentition which will give information of either flesh eaters or herbivores or omnivores...and so many more

An ordinary pelvic girdle bone can tell if it's male or female..if it's egg laying or mammal, if it had a tail or not,....if it had given birth before or not....
And the more a full size dinosaur remains has never been seen is what made scientist speculate that probably a catastrophic phenomenon probably caused them to extinct...Bones do not decay...if full length skeleton of mummys have been recovered in ancient egypt and Tanzania where the oldest human bones have been seen .....it only means the scientist were right about their speculation of a large explosion hitting earth scattering every single living thing..
So oga..these are not random conclusion they shove down our throat...though I partially agree that mistakes could happen. thats why research keeps going on to either counter a claim or further support it. And there have been enuf supporting research than counter claim

Sorry to point dis out to u but carbon dating have never been accepted as accurate, the best u get from it is approximate . Now to further surprise u, archeologists when carbon dating fossils, don't actually get the dates from the bones themselves but from the surrounding rocks in which the bones are found ( don't just take my word for it, go and research it, Google it.)
The truth is u just have to stop accepting what u have been taught in school for once and just use ur mind and think. Imagine a technique used in determining the age of a fossil, and it tells you this animal died between 150 to 200 million years ago. U relay on a measuring parameters that has a margin of error of 50million years. Do u know what that means, it can't narrow down the time of death more than 50 million years. Its not 1,or 2 or 5 or even 10 years, but 50 million years. Can u imagine such magnitude of uncertainty. Dat alone shows the unreliability of carbon dating. The best advice I can give to u is to try and think for yourself. Bob Marley says "emancipate yourself from mental slavery"
I still believe the earth is spherical but flat earthers have raised valid points that have got me to really think and stop taking everything I have been taught for granted

Even with the great advancement in science in our time yet we can't seem to know exactly the geometrics of how everything in space works... Even as I see many holes in our present religious teachings and beliefs I still can't rule out the God factor in the formation of the universe cos it can be absolute only a supreme being that can put such a limit to our knowledge... Fear God!

Billyonaire:
It is not the flatness of earth or its disc shape that bothers me. It is fact that we are on our own. Floating in space without knowing where in cosmos we are heading to.

you are wrong. The earth as a planet is nearly spherical with protrusion at the poles.

If you are right, there will be no space exploration.

Apollux:

As much as I still believe the earth is round, I have listen to the flat earth theories, believe me, they raise very valid points that will really get u to think about stuff you usually take for granted. For example, the moon landing of 1969, when u critically examine it, u will see holes in the stories. Do u know they recently discovered that Jupiter doesn't orbit d sun? But dat is different from what we have been made to believe for years. Kind of keeps us wondering what else they are wrong about. See a lot of things science have told us in d past r not totally accurate. Take another examples, like d dinosaurs, imagine someone will tell u dat a particular species of dinosaur lived between 150-200 million years ago. Oh my God, how do they come by that figure. They will tell u through carbon dating. U relay on a dating technique that have a margin of error of 50 million years! Do u know d gap between 50 million years? Take a pause and consider dat.
Ok another thing to consider is the numbers of the stars and their distance from the earth. They will tell u that we have more than 100 billion stars in the milky way galaxy (our own galaxy). Considering d sizes they say stars r, the galaxy should be bright and extremely hot and yet we see it dark. Ok take a look at the distance of the nearest star to earth, its about 4½light years so dey say. Do u know how far that is? That is (186000x60x60x24x365x4½) miles. Do the maths and u will be staggered. How do dey come by these figures? U will tell me through advance telescope. Lol, what u don't know is dat those advance telescope don't actually see, they hear, they are radio telescope.
I still believe the earth is round and everything my basic geography /astronomy tells me but there are too many unanswered questions.

Then start trying to answer them instead of saying it's wrong. Science never claims to have all the answers;that's why continuous studies are still being carried out. Until you have a better answer, you don't have the right to disprove the works of credible scientists.

An ant walking round a big ball will feel the ball like a flat surface. With gravity, you will think you are on a flat surface

many are mad, few are on nairaland posting shit.


20mb wasted reading disturbing crap

jaycyclopedia:
yea I agree with you on the issue that we are misled on some many things. The truth is most times undercover.....the moon landing hoax is not strange 2 me and i have always wondered why d long distance of d stars from earth......thanks 4 your theory it has broadened my lil knowledge

Do you know that the sun is a star? It's the closest 1 to our solar system & you can feel its effect, how terrible the heat can be on some days. Can you look directly at the sun when it's shining? It is the primary source of heat & energy to our planet. The only reason we have nighttime is when the part of the earth's surface we are in isn't facing the direction of the sun's rays. Imagine if other stars were as close to the earth as the sun. Do you think earth would be habitable? Most of those stars we see are even bigger than the sun yet they look like twinkling specks to us. Why? Commonsense should tell us that it's due to the very long distance. Even the brightest of lights would look dim & eventually even fade at a distance.

Apollux:

Sorry to point dis out to u but carbon dating have never been accepted as accurate, the best u get from it is approximate . Now to further surprise u, archeologists when carbon dating fossils, don't actually get the dates from the bones themselves but from the surrounding rocks in which the bones are found ( don't just take my word for it, go and research it, Google it.)
The truth is u just have to stop accepting what u have been taught in school for once and just use ur mind and think. Imagine a technique used in determining the age of a fossil, and it tells you this animal died between 150 to 200 million years ago. U relay on a measuring parameters that has a margin of error of 50million years. Do u know what that means, it can't narrow down the time of death more than 50 million years. Its not 1,or 2 or 5 or even 10 years, but 50 million years. Can u imagine such magnitude of uncertainty. Dat alone shows the unreliability of carbon dating. The best advice I can give to u is to try and think for yourself. Bob Marley says "emancipate yourself from mental slavery"
I still believe the earth is spherical but flat earthers have raised valid points that have got me to really think and stop taking everything I have been taught for granted

Valid points like? How did they explain the difference in time at various places in the world eg now in Texas, it's early evening (about 12 minutes to six)?

Linqsz:


What if there are none? Think about it

Look at the sky at night and see the numerous stars littering them. Is that what you call nothing? This thread is just an account of people very rich in imagination & conjecture but bankrupt in facts, logical deductions & commonsense.

Israelsaidu:
Just someone that sees the world beyond what the socalled media tells us..... The system is an illsusion.... We've been lied to since from day one.... Its just funny how distracted the world is, i have learnt to question every damn thing since i read about nokla tesla

Nikolai.... Do you even bother to check & authenticate the sources you read from? Anybody can write anything nowadays & call it fact or truth.

I have a very simple logic that will end this discussion. This is it: If the earth is NOT round, how is it possible to travel by air from tokyo in Japan to Vancouver in the USA (in just eight hours) without having to come back through asia, europe and the America (which will probably take up to 48 hrs)?

I need your answer if you understood my question, lol.

Pinnacle:
I have a very simple logic that will end this discussion. This is it: If the earth is NOT round, how is it possible to travel by air from tokyo in Japan to Vancouver in the USA (in just eight hours) without having to come back through asia, europe and the America (which will probably take up to 48 hrs)?

I need your answer if you understood my question, lol.

Does driving a bicycle around a circular flat plane in 2d mean the flat plane is round in 3d shape?

Schools have been doing a particularly wonderful job.
Its unfortunate that even when evidences are so glaring to ones eyes, one still decide to be closed minded
Just because some idiot who lived centuries ago said something
Something that has never been proven
Its hilarious how people disbelieve their own eyes and senses and chose to follow dem say dem say


Stupid morons who don't read, never read outside their school books even find it hard to understand 70% percent of our modern day technologies owe to just one man
Tesla.
Yet I didn't know about him till I got into a university.
Now I see why the world is like this
I used to wonder what these so called fraternities were fighting for
I mean we aren't in the slave trade anymore so what's the freedom they are all yearning for?

And I also see why they hate the so called Jews and why the world is upside down
There are more fools than sane people in this world

Let everyone keep enjoying whatever they believe in
The hypocrites who call Muslims terrorists have never read in the bible the inhumane acts it holds?
The fools who call Christians sheeps fail to realise their prophet Mohammed also believed the black man as a sub human.

Its pitiful the division principle is printed in the soul of some that no matter how many times they come back here on earth they still remain divisors

gemale:

Look at the sky at night and see the numerous stars littering them. Is that what you call nothing? This thread is just an account of people very rich in imagination & conjecture but bankrupt in facts, logical deductions & commonsense.

The question is what is fact?
What does the word mean?
What does it mean to be a scientist?
What does it mean to carry out scientific procedures?
How are scientific procedures followed?

Do you just need to wear a labcoat to be called a scientist?
Present your facts.
My eyes need to be satisfied before my mind.
If that's not your way, then I am afraid its not empirical research.
Think about it, did you know that all your theories on the globe earth cannot be proven with practical science?
That's why you rely on computer generated images to tell you what to believe.
You honestly believe a telescope which is 365,000,000 light years away is snapping selfies of Jupiter and sending it back to you? Do you even know what a light year is?
Which camera is snapping he telescope as it is around Jupiter?

And you call yourself a scientist?

SWYM:



The question is what is fact?
What does the word mean?
What does it mean to be a scientist?
What does it mean to carry out scientific procedures?
How are scientific procedures followed?

Do you just need to wear a labcoat to be called a scientist?
Present your facts.
My eyes need to be satisfied before my mind.
If that's not your way, then I am afraid its not empirical research.
Think about it, did you know that all your theories on the globe earth cannot be proven with practical science?
That's why you rely on computer generated images to tell you what to believe.
You honestly believe a telescope which is 365,000,000 miles away is snapping selfies of Jupiter and sending it back to you?
Which camera is snapping he telescope as it is around Jupiter?

And you call yourself a scientist?

please stop all these already, you became unserious to me that moment you said you traveled from Lagos to Ilorin often and you haven't seen any curve. You also said he objects are attracted to the surface of the earth based on density without knowing that even density is a factor of gravity.

You are not making sense at all.

legislatively:
please stop all these already, you became unserious to me that moment you said you traveled from Lagos to Ilorin often and you haven't seen any curve. You also said he objects are attracted to the surface of the earth based on density without knowing that even density is a factor of gravity.

You are not making sense at all.

What is gravity?
Please enlighten me

What surprised me mainly is not the fact that the OP stumbled on conspiracy theorist online and took them for their words after sleeping through science class while he was in school. It is the fact that dozens of people are supporting his claims. So we have so many ignorant people on nairaland. The earth os flat sorrounded by a wall of ice in antartica. Unbelievable. So what happens if in try to travel to the end of the earth to see the wall of ice myself?. I will be shot dead by scientists so as not to expose them abi? An understanding of basic science would have cleared a lot of this misconceptions.

legislatively:
please stop all these already, you became unserious to me that moment you said you traveled from Lagos to Ilorin often and you haven't seen any curve. You also said he objects are attracted to the surface of the earth based on density without knowing that even density is a factor of gravity.


You are not making sense at all.

I agree and I accept I am not making any sense to you.
But Gravity is
"the force that attracts a body toward the center of the earth, or toward any other physical body having mass. For most purposes Newton's laws of gravity apply, with minor modifications to take the general theory of relativity into account"

Do you u know where the centre of the earth is?
Do you feel attracted there?

Look it all boils to you believing in yourself or not
I can point to you other more compelling proofs but if you believe there is nothing reasonable that can come out of this, then I am afraid there is nothing I can do.

You have eyes
You have a brain
You have a mind

Don't be told this is what this is
And that that
Cant you sit down and deduce things out for yourself?