Eruditor:


Real Madrid had just 20% of possession in the first half and 37% in the second. Overall 28% RM 72% BM
Real Madrid had five shots on target to Bayern's four.
Bayern won 15 corners to Real's three.
Bayern made 705 passes to to 276 from Real Madrid.
Source: Opta stats

As early as the 6th min Gotze should've scored but Casillas saved it. So I don't know what match Bayern did not get a shot on target till the 80th min.

Please which game are you talking about here? If its the Madrid 1 Bayern 0 game in 2014. I think you are wrong because Gotze came in as a 72nd min substitute. So how can a 72nd min sub score in the 6th min unless it was on the bench

A40:

The team we lost the first leg today also beat Pep. So the Quarter and semi argument flies out the window. Pep was merely fortunate to meet them at a later stage. Kpokwem

Leicester with Wilfred Ndidi, Danny Drinkwater, Okazaki and Marc Albrighton. Bros compare like for like nau.

The Dortmund still shook from Tuesday's bomb attack? Are you even hearing yourself? That they went on with that game so quickly was courageous to begin with

Then why is Wenger mocked for constantly getting KOed to Bayern and Barca when they are both teams who go on to beat everybody else? You see, it does not work that way. You beat what is infront of you.

So which City team was going to get to the UCL semi finals regularly? A team that had been doing it before? In that case, what will be the excuse for Bayern this year if y'all don't make it? If Pep must be judged by losing to Monaco, then Bayern has no excuse agree?

Eruditor:
Then why is Wenger mocked for constantly getting KOed to Bayern and Barca when they are both teams who go on to beat everybody else? You see, it does not work that way. You beat what is infront of you.

So which City team was going to get to the UCL semi finals regularly? A team that had been doing it before? In that case, what will be the excuse for Bayern this year if y'all don't make it? If Pep must be judged by losing to Monaco, then Bayern has no excuse agree?

Bayern lost to the defending champs and best team in CL history Real Madrid

raumdeuter:


Please which game are you talking about here? If its the Madrid 1 Bayern 0 game in 2014. I think you are wrong because Gotze came in as a 72nd min substitute. So how can a 72nd min score in the 6th min unless it was on the bench

First leg.

Yea, sorry that chance must have been 2nd half. I remembered it wrongly.

raumdeuter:


Bayern lost to the defending champs and best team in CL history Real Madrid

I know and it happens. Whether Ancelloti or Pep. That's my point.

Eruditor:

Then why is Wenger mocked for constantly getting KOed to Bayern and Barca when they are both teams who go on to beat everybody else? You see, it does not work that way. You beat what is infront of you.

So which City team was going to get to the UCL semi finals regularly? A team that had been doing it before? In that case, what will be the excuse for Bayern this year if y'all don't make it? If Pep must be judged by losing to Monaco, then Bayern has no excuse agree?

Wenger also lost to a geriatric Milan side and neophytes at Monaco plus his track record of European futility is well known. Some of those big team matchups were avoidable. He came 2nd once in a group with Schalke 04

The first manageable opponent City got in the K.O stage City were able to beat. They got another formidable PSG side who had been beaten Chelsea back to back and knocked them out. In came Fraudiola, they got another manageable opponent but Pep shat the bed.

Monaco vs Madrid. The difference is very clear

raumdeuter:


Please which game are you talking about here? If its the Madrid 1 Bayern 0 game in 2014. I think you are wrong because Gotze came in as a 72nd min substitute. So how can a 72nd min sub score in the 6th min unless it was on the bench

Me sef been wan talk say that story no dey add up. I recall cursing Pep for not starting Götze and Müller. Na there my quarrel with Pep from start. That semi na the orisun

A40:

Wenger also lost to a geriatric Milan side and neophytes at Monaco plus his track record of European futility is well known. Some of those big team matchups were avoidable. He came 2nd once in a group with Schalke 04

The first manageable opponent City got in the K.O stage City were able to beat. They got another formidable PSG side who had been beaten Chelsea back to back and knocked them out. In came Fraudiola, they got another manageable opponent but Pep shat the bed.

Monaco vs Madrid. The difference is very clear

You mean the way Bayern finished below ATM and RM finished below Dortmund?

Monaco are first in their league, scored 2nd most goals in Europe behind Barca and Pep lost 6-6 on aggregate (in a tie his star striker missed like a dozen chances) and he is not excused (even when his City side at week 27 was 10 points better than Pellegrini's just the season before) but Bayern should be excused for losing ahome to RM because it is not Pep that lost it?

A40:

If you must troll shebi wa ti e fi opolo si. Who no know say Müller was played out of position?

Mbappe would not be dumb enough to go to Man yoo if he wants a career. His friend Martial would not advice him to take such a stoopid decision.

When he played few minutes against arsenal and scored, he was not played out of position. Fact is, Muller's struggling in that team, because he is not the same Muller of 3/4 years ago again. See this one, talking for mbape . It's like you don't know what a desperate club can do to ensure they get a player. They may assure him of selling all their strikers including martial and include strange terms in his contract to convince him. How many people believed pogba would opt for man utd when the rumour first came out ?.

Why's nobody talking about how horribly Carlo managed a CL KO game last night? RM could have scored 5.

airmark:


When he played few minutes against arsenal and scored, he was not played out of position. Fact is, Muller's struggling in that team, because he is not the same Muller of 3/4 years ago again. See this one, talking for mbape . It's like you don't know what a desperate club can do to ensure they get a player. They may assure him of selling all their strikers including martial and include strange terms in his contract to convince him. How many people believed pogba would opt for man utd when the rumour first came out ?.

You sef talk am. Arsenal. Wetin dey do Müller na him do your Ikedia last season. Müller never recover from him poor Euros form.

Sell all their strikers? Mbappe can't be that daft. He is seeing what is happening with Martial. He is not blind. Pogba na Man U alumni different scenario

bykebyke:
Why's nobody talking about how horribly Carlo managed a CL KO game last night? RM could have scored 5.

With Pep RM actually scored 5

raumdeuter:


With Pep RM actually scored 5

This Bayern is far better and the current Real Madrid is far weaker.

The 2014 Real Madrid was the strongest...difference.

Eruditor:


You mean the way Bayern finished below ATM and RM finished below Dortmund?

Monaco are first in their league, scored 2nd most goals in Europe behind Barca and Pep lost 6-6 on aggregate (in a tie his star striker missed like a dozen chances) and he is not excused (even when his City side at week 27 was 10 points better than Pellegrini's just the season before) but Bayern should be excused for losing ahome to RM because it is not Pep that lost it?

That's the thing, guys like Madrid and Bayern can afford to finish where they like. Teams actively hope to avoid them either way. City and Arsenal don't enjoy that luxury.

How did City leak 6 goals? As good as Monaco might be in the league City are a lot more experienced, both in terms of players and coaches. The star striker you claimed missed 'dozens' of chances scored 2 out of the 6. You also forgot Monaco even missed a penalty

Whether Pep picked up 100pts more in the league is irrelevant. He is still 4th.

bykebyke:

This Bayern is far better and the current Real Madrid is far weaker.

The 2014 Real Madrid was the strongest...difference.

They were so strong they finished 3rd in the league.

We are far better indeed. With wingers in their mid 30's. Alonso almost 36 and Lahm almost 34. Even 2008 Milan no gather so many arugbo for starting lineup

A40:

They were so strong they finished 3rd in the league.

We are far better indeed. With wingers in their mid 30's. Alonso almost 36 and Lahm almost 34. Even 2008 Milan no gather so many arugbo for starting lineup

Ancellotti has a poor league record.

Madrid's counter attacking game was the best that season.

The blame is on him for that.


I hear though...keep up with the excuses.

We go deh here next week.

bykebyke:

Ancellotti has a poor league record.

Madrid's counter attacking game was the best that season.

The blame is on him for that.

I hear though...keep up with the excuses.

We go deh here next week.

Madrid in 2014 had not conquered Europe in 12 years. Were blown away by Barca in the league so I'm not understanding the abracadabra you were expecting. No excuses from me. It was an avoidable loss but all hope is not lost

Your Pep Fraudiola took us from defending Champions to disgrace. Which we haven't fully recovered from.

He will end up in China in a few years. O ti sure ju

bykebyke:

This Bayern is far better and the current Real Madrid is far weaker.

The 2014 Real Madrid was the strongest...difference.

How is this Bayern far better than the 2014 Bayern who won a treble less than 12 months earlier?

How is this Real Madrid weaker when they are in leading the league they couldnt in 2014, when they lost at home to Schalke in 2014 and to Dortmund

raumdeuter:


How is this Bayern far better than the 2014 Bayern who won a treble less than 12 months earlier?

How is this Real Madrid weaker when they are in leading the league they couldnt in 2014, when they lost at home to Schalke in 2014 and to Dortmund

Real Madrid lost the league in 2014 because of lack of depth and Carlo's inability to rotate.

Madrid didn't lose to those teams under Ancellotti enroute to their UCL win.

bykebyke:

Real Madrid lost the league in 2014 because of lack of depth and Carlo's inability to rotate.

Madrid didn't lose to those teams under Ancellotti enroute to their UCL win.

Can you stake $1,000 and I will prove to you that Madrid lost to Schalke and Dortmund en route to winning the UCL in 2014

deal?

nihilist can be our boardman

A40:


That's the thing, guys like Madrid and Bayern can afford to finish where they like. Teams actively hope to avoid them either way. City and Arsenal don't enjoy that luxury.

How did City leak 6 goals? As good as Monaco might be in the league City are a lot more experienced, both in terms of players and coaches. The star striker you claimed missed 'dozens' of chances scored 2 out of the 6. You also forgot Monaco even missed a penalty

Whether Pep picked up 100pts more in the league is irrelevant. He is still 4th.

No, City are not a lot more experienced both in history or pedigree. Monaco also beat a higher placed Tottenham this season home and away which validates their league standing in France. To add to that, their manager is in his 3rd season with them so his pattern of playing has been fully engrained in them compared to Pep. Even at that, City were unlucky to be ousted.

Now one would have thought that since Pep was Bayern's problem Ancelotti would have done far better than Pep but that is not the case. So whether Bayern lost 1-2 or 4-0 the fact remains that they still lost. Also, if RM knocks you guys out it does not matter whether you played RM or Woking. The fact will remain that you got KOed in a quarters, something Pep never did with Bayern.

A40:

Madrid in 2014 had not conquered Europe in 12 years. Were blown away by Barca in the league so I'm not understanding the abracadabra you were expecting. No excuses from me. It was an avoidable loss but all hope is not lost

Your Pep Fraudiola took us from defending Champions to disgrace. Which we haven't fully recovered from.

He will end up in China in a few years. O ti sure ju

Was it his fault that Sergio Ramos out jumped your defenders twice in 4 mins? Was it his fault that the wall jumped over CR7s free kick and left Neuer helpless? Was it his fault that Muller had a valid cry for a penalty first leg and the refs disagreed? Was it his fault that Messi scored 2 brilliant goals by taking players on and Bayern wer left with no option but to push to reduce the deficit and it created a counter attack through which Neymar scored?

raumdeuter:


Can you stake $1,000 and I will prove to you that Madrid lost to Schalke and Dortmund en route to winning the UCL in 2014

deal?

nihilist can be our boardman

Dortmund won 2:0 at home.

Madrid overturned 3:0.


Schalke lost home and away.

bykebyke:

Dortmund won 2:0 at home.

Madrid overturned 3:0.


Schalke lost home and away.

I am not interested in these

Stake $1,000

Its time to start teaching football novices lesson with their money

raumdeuter:


With Pep RM actually scored 5

But Neuer could have saved a couple of the chances like he did yesterday or na?

Besides, we have made it seem like the red card destroyed the game when in reality Madrid scored 90 secs into the 2nd half when both teams were complete and RM were on the up before the red card.

I am not even blaming Ancelotti. I am only here to show that these things could happen to great tactics just by one silly mistake. Mike Tyson used to say it; "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face".

Eruditor:


But Neuer could have saved a couple of the chances like he did yesterday or na?

Besides, we have made it seem like the red card destroyed the game when in reality Madrid scored 90 secs into the 2nd half when both teams were complete and were on the up before the red card.

I am not even blaming Ancelotti. I am only here to show that these things could happen to great tactics just by one silly mistake. Mile Tyson used to say it; "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face".

And Neuer didnt make multiple saves in the 4-0 trashing? If not for Neuer rushing out to make some last ditch tackle how much more will Madrid have scored in 2014

no hummels and lewa sef no play. ancelotti no be magician.

raumdeuter:


And Neuer didnt make multiple saves in the 4-0 trashing? If not for Neuer rushing out to make some last ditch tackle how much more will Madrid have scored in 2014

I really don't remember last ditch tackles that day. I remember the 16th and 20th min goals that came against the run of play. You and I know at 3-0 aggregate and 2 away goals the tie was over.

But that is an aside from the fact that the better and conservative Carlo should not have lost a home game to RM. Even with a man down, it was just too easy for Madrid to create chances. If anything, it made Bayern's 5-1 away win at Arsenal a fluke because Carlo was getting outplayed before the red card to Kos.

bykebyke come and back your assertions up with $1,000

No time to waste

SIRcumalot:
no hummels and lewa sef no play.
ancelotti no be magician.

I don't deny this as I am a fan of Carlo myself. But if Pep won't be excused, why should Carlo?

Eruditor:


I really don't remember last ditch tackles that day. I remember the 16th and 20th min goals that came against the run of play. You and I know at 3-0 aggregate and 2 away goals the tie was over.

But that is an aside from the fact that the better and conservative Carlo should not have lost a home game to RM. Even with a man down, it was just too easy for Madrid to create chances. If anything, it made Bayern's 5-1 away win at Arsenal a fluke because Carlo was getting outplayed before the red card to Kos.

You dont remember the last ditch tackles but you remember casilass making a save on gotze in the 6th minute

You keep discrediting yourself more and more

In this argument I have given you more facts and you have relied on your memory which has failed you once

At 11 vs 11 it was 1-1 at home to Madrid, Who knows what would have happened if we played 11 vs 11.

Pep played 11 vs 11 and lost 4-0 at home

Carlo played 10 vs 11 and lost 1-2 at home

Spot the difference