raumdeuter:


I am not interested in these

Stake $1,000

Its time to start teaching football novices lesson with their money

You are learning fast, i'm still waiting for you:

raumdeuter:


So mention the new defensive midfielder currently who are goal threats start from epl.

Is it Matic, Coquelin, Fernandinho or whoever plays that position for Man utd and Liverpool

Yaya was a terrible defensive midfielder who lacks discipline and positioning which is why Barça chased him away when he got to city he couldn't still play DM rather they had to buy Dejong Fernando Fernandinho just to cover his indiscipline

At the emboldened 100 usd, game ?

raumdeuter:


In 2008 West Ham beat Man Utd home and away

West ham barely escaped relegation on the final day, Man utd won the league

Biko who is the bigger team in 2008 West ham or Man Utd

At the emboldened 100 usd, game ?

sleekdot:


Over 150 assists for barca meaning he was averaging double digits every season for the past 13 yrs from a CM position

Dayo ramuzaki, using his second moniker , claimed iniesta had 150 assists for barca in march 2016.

Another 100 usd on the claim, game ?

raumdeuter:


Makelele duly left Madrid and to Chelsea.

It would be noted that when he was in Chelsea, Madrid never went beyond the Second round and Chelsea in Makelele's time only failed to go beyond the second round just once

At emboldened 100 usd , game ?

raumdeuter:
Some people no dey weigh the risk before dem bet

Mochengladbach wey beat us home and away last season na him person bet on say we go beat for Borrousia

On top say they are on a winning streak since they fired Favre

100 usd on the claim that favre was fired , game ?.

raumdeuter:


The blood of the man is on you and Luiz. David Luiz incompetence and failure killed one of the icon of Brazilian football

Pkasso this is the defender you have been promoting for years? The defender who caused the death of brazils biggest fan and brought sorrow to the life of 250m people


You should be send to aiyelala for selling the public a fake footballer

At the emboldened 100 usd for writing that it was luiz poor performance that killed the fan , game ?

raumdeuter:


That's the Bundesliga player of the year award sir

He claimed boateng won bundesliga player of the year award 2015/2016 season


100 usd on this claim, game ?

SIRcumalot:
no hummels and lewa sef no play.
ancelotti no be magician.

They had the best defender in germany, boathand, no excuse.

Eruditor:


I don't deny this as I am a fan of Carlo myself. But if Pep won't be excused, why should Carlo?

too soon for excuses,
the 2nd leg still dey

Eruditor:


Was it his fault that Sergio Ramos out jumped your defenders twice in 4 mins? Was it his fault that the wall jumped over CR7s free kick and left Neuer helpless? Was it his fault that Muller had a valid cry for a penalty first leg and the refs disagreed? Was it his fault that Messi scored 2 brilliant goals by taking players on and Bayern wer left with no option but to push to reduce the deficit and it created a counter attack through which Neymar scored?

He set us up for failure both in the first and 2nd leg. At no point were we ever in control of that tie. Home or away. FACTS

You can roll up possession stats that were meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Ramos headers were just a culmination of his tactics that turned every Madrid chance to a potential goal

Even sef when you can only create two clear chances in 180mins of soccer then sorry there is a problem.

To the Barca game another tactical blunder in the first 20mins and but for Neuer we would have been 3 goals down. Individual brilliance can unlock teams however up till the Javi red. Bayern played better than I had ever seen them play Madrid and Barca under Pep despite missing Lewandowski and Hummels.

Anyway we are seeing the magic your Pep is doing at City losing to Balon D'or candidates Falcao, Bakayoko and Germain and still maintaining 4th even after spending almost £100m last summer

Eruditor:


I really don't remember last ditch tackles that day. I remember the 16th and 20th min goals that came against the run of play. You and I know at 3-0 aggregate and 2 away goals the tie was over.

But that is an aside from the fact that the better and conservative Carlo should not have lost a home game to RM. Even with a man down, it was just too easy for Madrid to create chances. If anything, it made Bayern's 5-1 away win at Arsenal a fluke because Carlo was getting outplayed before the red card to Kos.

You gotta be kidding me man. You lost at home with a man advantage vs this same Real. Can't believe you even brought it up

raumdeuter:


You dont remember the last ditch tackles but you remember casilass making a save on gotze in the 6th minute

You keep discrediting yourself more and more

In this argument I have given you more facts and you have relied on your memory which has failed you once

At 11 vs 11 it was 1-1 at home to Madrid, Who knows what would have happened if we played 11 vs 11.

Pep played 11 vs 11 and lost 4-0 at home

Carlo played 10 vs 11 and lost 1-2 at home

Spot the difference

The only fact you have given me is that Gotze's chance was 6mins to go and not 6mins into the game - and I graciously accepted it.

Now accept these very facts - who knows what will happen? Is hypothetical talk. RM were clearly on the up which necessitated the 2 fouls from Javi Martinez.

Bayern dominated first half? It is only in terms of possession and maybe corner kicks (my memory could be failing me on the Corner kick part).

The penalty? Totally undeserved. And that was the end of the first half.

Second half? You lost whether 1 man down or complete. The better manager should not have lost to Zidane or RM at home. That was what Pep was being slain for. Whether 1-2 or 4-0 that is simply you searching for a moral victory were none exists. There is no difference especially when RM missed like a gazillion chances and dominated the game.

A40:

You gotta be kidding me man. You lost at home with a man advantage vs this same Real. Can't believe you even brought it up

I had beat them 4-0 in their own home. The 2-1 loss meant nothing as I also won the league.

I thought the argument was that a win is a win and a loss is a loss. Why is the standard changing with Carlo?

Eruditor:


No, City are not a lot more experienced both in history or pedigree. Monaco also beat a higher placed Tottenham this season home and away which validates their league standing in France. To add to that, their manager is in his 3rd season with them so his pattern of playing has been fully engrained in them compared to Pep. Even at that, City were unlucky to be ousted.

Now one would have thought that since Pep was Bayern's problem Ancelotti would have done far better than Pep but that is not the case. So whether Bayern lost 1-2 or 4-0 the fact remains that they still lost. Also, if RM knocks you guys out it does not matter whether you played RM or Woking. The fact will remain that you got KOed in a quarters, something Pep never did with Bayern.

I have asked your friend byke. I would ask you. Can you list Monaco's starting XI without the aid of google? Do we roll out the CL appearances of City players and compare them to Monaco's? Monaco are clearly punching above their weight. Neither you or any pundit foresaw them competing at such a high level whether Jardim spent 2 years or 20 years.

Pep was a significant part of the problem taking a treble winning team to 3 years of European futility. If you agree that Ancelotti failed for losing out to an 11 time defending Champ that Pep never actually beat with a younger and complete squad. Then Pep is a Mega Super Duper failure for taking City from losing to Madrid in the semis to losing to small boys like Mbappe, Bakayoko, Mendy in the 2nd round. Deal?

Eruditor:


The penalty? Totally undeserved. And that was the end of the first half.

Second half? You lost whether 1 man down or complete. The better manager should not have lost to Zidane or RM at home. That was what Pep was being slain for. Whether 1-2 or 4-0 that is simply you searching for a moral victory were none exists. There is no difference especially when RM missed like a gazillion chances and dominated the game.

When did the dominance begin? Before or after the red card? Pep was destroyed at Bayern. He is at City and getting destroyed both at home and in Europe in a league Carlo won the double at his first attempt

A40:

He set us up for failure both in the first and 2nd leg. At no point were we ever in control of that tie. Home or away. FACTS

You can roll up possession stats that were meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Ramos headers were just a culmination of his tactics that turned every Madrid chance to a potential goal

Even sef when you can only create two clear chances in 180mins of soccer then sorry there is a problem.

To the Barca game another tactical blunder in the first 20mins and but for Neuer we would have been 3 goals down. Individual brilliance can unlock teams however up till the Javi red. Bayern played better than I had ever seen them play Madrid and Barca under Pep despite missing Lewandowski and Hummels.

Anyway we are seeing the magic your Pep is doing at City losing to Balon D'or candidates Falcao, Bakayoko and Germain and still maintaining 4th even after spending almost £100m last summer

If Ramos' headers were a culmination of tactics gone wrong then Javi Martinez' red card falls in the same category. You can't have it one way and another. In the same way Bayern had only 2 clear scoring chances - and both were Vidal headers, but Madrid had how many? More than 8. So Carlo's tactics were botched as well.

Bayern playing better than you had ever seen them play against RM and Barca under Pep? Yea, with Rose coloured glasses. Goal up, frivolous penalty up, better manager up, ahome - and you still lost in a game everyone says 1-2 loss severely flatters Bayern.

As per Pep in City, it is funny you keep mentioning Lewa and Hummels being absent but when it comes to Pep the standard immediately changes. Gundogan, Gabriel Jesus did they not both miss significant portions of the season? What about their best defender, Company?

Why is the standard being used to judge Pep different? That's my question. Ancelotti is the better manager - according to you. Yet he is doing worse and all you are doing in return is straining out moral reasons and excuses for why he is underperforming.

I am actually sympathetic to his plight because I hate RM, but I was not impressed with what I saw yesterday. I am only perplexed as to why you are willing to give him a pass.

A40:

I have asked your friend byke. I would ask you. Can you list Monaco's starting XI without the aid of google? Do we roll out the CL appearances of City players and compare them to Monaco's? Monaco are clearly punching above their weight. Neither you or any pundit foresaw them competing at such a high level whether Jardim spent 2 years or 20 years.

Pep was a significant part of the problem taking a treble winning team to 3 years of European futility. If you agree that Ancelotti failed for losing out to an 11 time defending Champ that Pep never actually beat with a younger and complete squad. Then Pep is a Mega Super Duper failure for taking City from losing to Madrid in the semis to losing to small boys like Mbappe, Bakayoko, Mendy in the 2nd round. Deal?

So because Celtics have a ton of UCL experience I should have expected them to be 2nd behind Barca during the group stage? I don't understand. Are Monaco also punching above their weight by being first in France and 3-2 up against Dortmund?

Yes I agree, Pep was a significant part of costing Bayern a UCL title in 14, 15 and 16. Carlo has arrived and he is better. What will be his excuse if he gets ousted during the quarters? Pep's squad was younger but Carlo's RM possessing- a younger Marcelo/Coentrao, CR7, Benz, Di Maria, Sergio Ramos was not younger?

A40:

When did the dominance begin? Before or after the red card? Pep was destroyed at Bayern. He is at City and getting destroyed both at home and in Europe in a league Carlo won the double at his first attempt

Yes praise be to Carlo. He won a double his first year in a then 2-team EPL (United and CFC) with CFC and got sacked the following year. He also did not get passed the 2nd round losing home and away to Inter. Pep crashed out to Monaco that beat Totteham twice, top the league, scored on average 3 goals a game, and put 3 away goals past Dortmund, 6-6 on aggregate after having dominated both ties in chances. He is a fraud I agree. But Carlo is better with a far better squad, what will be his own excuse if he does not make it?

Eruditor:


I had beat them 4-0 in their own home. The 2-1 loss meant nothing as I also won the league.

I thought the argument was that a win is a win and a loss is a loss. Why is the standard changing with Carlo?

You hadn't won the league at the time plus the point being made is if Madrid are capable of beating Barca with a man down it is reasonable that Bayern would struggle as well. Plus Benitez was coach at the time. You are yet to beat Zidane in your own building.

My own argument is Pep getting to the semifinals has been due to meeting inferior teams with a vastly superior team.

A40:

You hadn't won the league at the time plus the point being made is if Madrid are capable of beating Barca with a man down it is reasonable that Bayern would struggle as well. Plus Benitez was coach at the time. You are yet to beat Zidane in your own building.

My own argument is Pep getting to the semifinals has been due to meeting inferior teams with a vastly superior team.

If Madrid are capable of beating Barca even when they were undermanned then why did you ask for Pep's head when he lost to the same 10-UCL Madrid through silly goals?

It is true that Pep getting to the semi finals has been due to meeting inferior teams with a superior team. What about Carlo Ancelloti? Can the same argument not be made?

Eruditor:


Yes praise be to Carlo. He won a double his first year in a then 2-team EPL (United and CFC) with CFC and got sacked the following year. He also did not get passed the 2nd round losing home and away to Inter. Pep crashed out to Monaco that beat Totteham twice, top the league, scored on average 3 goals a game, and put 3 away goals past Dortmund, 6-6 on aggregate after having dominated both ties in chances. He is a fraud I agree. But Carlo is better with a far better squad, what will be his own excuse if he does not make it?

Lmao. E say na 2 team EPL. When was the last year Chelsea won the league prior to Carlo's arrival? What was Chelsea's position the season before Carlo's arrival.

Getting sacked at Chelsea? Lewl! Pep that didn't go there you think he is dumb? If they could sack JM, Carlo and Di Matteo who won the CL just how long do you think Pep would survive?

Losing to small boys Mbappe, Mendy and Bakayoko, with a squad that got to the semis last year? Smh. Monaco scoring 3 goals against Dortmund is no mean feat considering the team just survived a bomb attack less than 24 hours ago. Shame on UEFA for making them go on with that game.

Far better squad? Alonso - 35, Lahm - 33/34, Ribery - 34, Robben - 33

Paro lo

Eruditor:

If Madrid are capable of beating Barca even when they were undermanned then why did you ask for Pep's head when he lost to the same 10-UCL Madrid through silly goals?

It is true that Pep getting to the semi finals has been due to meeting inferior teams with a superior team. What about Carlo Ancelloti? Can the same argument not be made?

That Madrid had 9 CLs. Had not made a Final in 12 years. Bayern did not score or look like scoring even with 11 men

Nope. We are not out of the CL. Yet. We could bounce back and you are left with egg on your face. Pep failed 3 years in a row

Eruditor:


So because Celtics have a ton of UCL experience I should have expected them to be 2nd behind Barca during the group stage? I don't understand. Are Monaco also punching above their weight by being first in France and 3-2 up against Dortmund?

Yes I agree, Pep was a significant part of costing Bayern a UCL title in 14, 15 and 16. Carlo has arrived and he is better. What will be his excuse if he gets ousted during the quarters? Pep's squad was younger but Carlo's RM possessing- a younger Marcelo/Coentrao, CR7, Benz, Di Maria, Sergio Ramos was not younger?

Are you Eddie Murphy in disguise? We are talking Sergio Agüero, KDB, David Silva, Fernandinho, Caballero, Kolarov, Navas e.t.c and you are mentioning Celtic.

Did you foresee Monaco getting to the quarter finals in Europe? When the draws were made who expected them to knock City out? Even before this bomb parole who would boldly put their mortgage on Monaco going through

Ramos - 28 Ronaldo - 29 Benzema - 26 Marcelo - 26

Lahm - 30 Robben - 30 Mandzukic - 28 Müller - 25 Kroos - 24 Schweini - 29 Ribery - 31

Now compare

Ramos - 31 Ronaldo - 32 Benzema - 29 Marcelo - 28 Kroos - 27 Bale - 28

Lahm - 33 Robben - 33 Müller - 27 Ribery - 34 Alonso - 35 Thiago - 26

Isu no be cocoyam

A40:

Lmao. E say na 2 team EPL. When was the last year Chelsea won the league prior to Carlo's arrival? What was Chelsea's position the season before Carlo's arrival.

Getting sacked at Chelsea? Lewl! Pep that didn't go there you think he is dumb? If they could sack JM, Carlo and Di Matteo who won the CL just how long do you think Pep would survive?

Losing to small boys Mbappe, Mendy and Bakayoko, with a squad that got to the semis last year? Smh. Monaco scoring 3 goals against Dortmund is no mean feat considering the team just survived a bomb attack less than 24 hours ago. Shame on UEFA for making them go on with that game.

Far better squad? Alonso - 35, Lahm - 33/34, Ribery - 34, Robben - 33

Paro lo

Small small. Did Tottenham, LFC, City and AFC stand a chance in 2010 when Carlo was in CFC. Haba na.

Pep felt the squad needed more work to get them to playing his way. In City he already had a foundation with the former Barca executives working there.

You are not mentioning Bernardo Silva, Falcao, Joa Moutinho etc. don't they have UCL experience? On the other hand, what if they did not have any? Did CR7 not lack experience at some point? What about Messi? Will a savvy coach brush off teams possessing such players because of their experience? So why is a more experienced Dortmund team getting drubbed by Monaco?

Ok Monaco lost because of bomb blast but City did not lose because Aguero missed some key chances? You see what I mean? The standard is different with Pep.

Yes far better squad. How many RBs are better than Lahm or Daniel Alves even at their age? How many wingers are better than Ribery and Robben at 30+? Is your squad not better than AFCs? So why would you not have qualified?

You are yet to tell me the squad Carlo had that was less than his opposition when he was getting to the semis or quarters.

A40:

That Madrid had 9 CLs. Had not made a Final in 12 years. Bayern did not score or look like scoring even with 11 men

Nope. We are not out of the CL. Yet. We could bounce back and you are left with egg on your face. Pep failed 3 years in a row

But Bayern looked like scoring because Navas did not make a save but Casillas did?

I did not say you are out. I said what will be your excuse for him if he crashes out? I am only here first to remind you that he has lost a home game to Madrid and has not done anything fraudiola did not do yet?

Besides, even if he makes it to the semis, He will still need to get to the finals to now have 1-up on Pep.

A40:

Are you Eddie Murphy in disguise? We are talking Sergio Agüero, KDB, David Silva, Fernandinho, Caballero, Kolarov, Navas e.t.c and you are mentioning Celtic.

Did you foresee Monaco getting to the quarter finals in Europe? When the draws were made who expected them to knock City out? Even before this bomb parole who would boldly put their mortgage on Monaco going through

Ramos - 28 Ronaldo - 29 Benzema - 26 Marcelo - 26

Lahm - 30 Robben - 30 Mandzukic - 28 Müller - 25 Kroos - 24 Schweini - 29 Ribery - 31

Now compare

Ramos - 31 Ronaldo - 32 Benzema - 29 Marcelo - 28 Kroos - 27 Bale - 28

Lahm - 33 Robben - 33 Müller - 27 Ribery - 34 Alonso - 35 Thiago - 26

Isu no be cocoyam

Who would have boldly asserted that Pep's Bayern will lose 4-0? Who would have done same to Carlo's Bayern? What experience did LVGs Ajax have in 95 when they won it? What experience compared to Milan did AFC have in 08 when they KOed Carlo's title winning team at San Siro? Who could have predicted it?

A good team is a good team even without experience.

I already told you that Lahm and co at their respective ages are better than 98% of what other teams have. So if they are older than RM now they were still older by the same margin 3 years ago.

Besides, why won't Carlo use his younger players like Costa, Coman, Renato and Kimmich so that age will not be an excuse? He is a better manager, he ought to know this.

As you can see, you are only trying to absolve Carlo for personal and perhaps sentimental reasons- nothing more. Any argument that worked against Pep would fit Carlo perfectly.

Eruditor:

If Ramos' headers were a culmination of tactics gone wrong then Javi Martinez' red card falls in the same category. You can't have it one way and another. In the same way Bayern had only 2 clear scoring chances - and both were Vidal headers, but Madrid had how many? More than 8. So Carlo's tactics were botched as well.

Bayern playing better than you had ever seen them play against RM and Barca under Pep? Yea, with Rose coloured glasses. Goal up, frivolous penalty up, better manager up, ahome - and you still lost in a game everyone says 1-2 loss severely flatters Bayern.

As per Pep in City, it is funny you keep mentioning Lewa and Hummels being absent but when it comes to Pep the standard immediately changes. Gundogan, Gabriel Jesus did they not both miss significant portions of the season? What about their best defender, Company?

Why is the standard being used to judge Pep different? That's my question. Ancelotti is the better manager - according to you. Yet he is doing worse and all you are doing in return is straining out moral reasons and excuses for why he is underperforming.

I am actually sympathetic to his plight because I hate RM, but I was not impressed with what I saw yesterday. I am only perplexed as to why you are willing to give him a pass.

What tactics made Javi Martinez commit two dumb and unnecessary fouls in the space of five minutes. On each occasion the player he fouled was 10km away from goal at the least. In the absence of Hummels is it coach that has to tell Javi not to pick those cards?

I will ask you how many chances did Madrid have at even strength?

That penalty was more legit than any of the penalties you were given against PSG.

I agree the 1-2 scoreline playing with 10men flattered us. Also the 0-4 loss to Madrid severely flattered us as well as the 0-3 loss under Pep with 11 MEN

Lmao. Gabriel Jesus and Gündogan vs Lewandowski who has scored almost 60% of Bayern's goal this year? Kompany was absent for most parts of City's run to the semis last year. Pellegrini got there without him, Jesus or Gündogan and beat a PSG with Zlatan on the way. Try another story!

At worst Carlo has matched Pep. Because you have to show where Pep knocked out a Madrid or Barca to have an argument

Ramudeen don run

Eruditor:


But Bayern looked like scoring because Navas did not make a save but Casillas did?

I did not say you are out. I said what will be your excuse for him if he crashes out? I am only here first to remind you that he has lost a home game to Madrid and has not done anything fraudiola did not do yet?

Besides, even if he makes it to the semis, He will still need to get to the finals to now have 1-up on Pep.

The point is we scored. You have been towing the line of absolutes so why stop now? We did within 45 minutes under Carlo what we didn't do in 180 mins under Pep. Shebi is when a team scores that you would talk about advancing

I have no excuse. My own point is Pro Pep crowd cannot come here to tell us Fraudiola did better because he got to the semifinal by the luck of the draw beating farmers like Porto, Benfica and Man United

Should Carlo beat Madrid at least that pride that we can still beat elite European teams would return to the average Bayern fan. Its a given now that you can't win the CL without beating any of the 3 beasts from Spain. No team has done that since 2007

Beating Madrid is a 1-up for me already. Fraudiola fans are at liberty to argue otherwise. I wouldn't expect any different

Eruditor:

Small small. Did Tottenham, LFC, City and AFC stand a chance in 2010 when Carlo was in CFC. Haba na.

Pep felt the squad needed more work to get them to playing his way. In City he already had a foundation with the former Barca executives working there.

You are not mentioning Bernardo Silva, Falcao, Joa Moutinho etc. don't they have UCL experience? On the other hand, what if they did not have any? Did CR7 not lack experience at some point? What about Messi? Will a savvy coach brush off teams possessing such players because of their experience? So why is a more experienced Dortmund team getting drubbed by Monaco?

Ok Monaco lost because of bomb blast but City did not lose because Aguero missed some key chances? You see what I mean? The standard is different with Pep.

Yes far better squad. How many RBs are better than Lahm or Daniel Alves even at their age? How many wingers are better than Ribery and Robben at 30+? Is your squad not better than AFCs? So why would you not have qualified?

You are yet to tell me the squad Carlo had that was less than his opposition when he was getting to the semis or quarters.

You said it was a 2-man league so why are you so shy to tell us where Chelsea finished prior to Carlo's arrival or the last time Chelsea won the title.

Conte is winning the league at a canter. Which foundation did he meet or set. He even bought fewer players than Pep.

Lol Bernardo Silva is 22 mate, Falcao missed the 2nd leg. That is why I said let us list City players and Monaco's players to compare. Mbappe that was still playing UEFA Youth League as at last season. Lewl

Ronaldo and Messi are once in generation players and were surrounded by experienced players.

Is there a match where striker no dey miss chance? The same striker that still netted two goals in the same tie? Didn't Falcao miss a penalty and didn't play the 2nd leg at all. Are you comparing that to a team that nearly got wiped out by a bomb? Has your love for Pep robbed you of your humanity?

Lahm at 33 has declined, Ribery and Robben at 34 and 33. Declined! 3 years is a big deal for players the wrong side of 30

Carlo in 07 beat Man United with arugbos, He led Madrid past Bayern.

Pep cannot beat Glik, Mbappe and Bakayoko with Agüero and KDB

A40:

What tactics made Javi Martinez commit two dumb and unnecessary fouls in the space of five minutes. On each occasion the player he fouled was 10km away from goal at the least. In the absence of Hummels is it coach that has to tell Javi not to pick those cards?

I will ask you how many chances did Madrid have at even strength?

That penalty was more legit than any of the penalties you were given against PSG.

I agree the 1-2 scoreline playing with 10men flattered us. Also the 0-4 loss to Madrid severely flattered us as well as the 0-3 loss under Pep with 11 MEN

Lmao. Gabriel Jesus and Gündogan vs Lewandowski who has scored almost 60% of Bayern's goal this year? Kompany was absent for most parts of City's run to the semis last year. Pellegrini got there without him, Jesus or Gündogan and beat a PSG with Zlatan on the way. Try another story!

At worst Carlo has matched Pep. Because you have to show where Pep knocked out a Madrid or Barca to have an argument

Did Javi Martinez not play Dortmund over the weekend? Why did he not get 2 dumb fouls then? If the tactics worked against Dortmund and you won, then it failed against RM that is why you lost the middle is excluded.

At even strength Madrid had hit your bar and scored a goal at least so what tactics was working? If the penalty was more deserving than what Barca got against PSG that is debatable but let me for the sake of this discourse accept it, what does it have to do with Carlo losing and you making excuses for him?

If the scoreline flattered you same way 4-0 flattered you against Pep then my argument is made - Carlo is not doing any better. Lewa has scored 60% of Bayern's goals this year? Fine. Was he there when Pep lost to Madrid? Why did you not argue then too that he needed a better striker than Mandzukic? See I told you. Any argument you make for Carlo will work for Pep.

Pellegrini beat PSG with Zlatan? Did that PSG beat Barca 4-0? Did that PSG beat Monaco 4-1? Gundogan and Jesus are as important as they were to City before they got injured just like Lewa. After all, would Pep have beaten Barca without Gundogan? No.

Lol, I don't have to show it to prove anything. All Carlo needs to do is get to the semis to equal Pep. After all, Jupp beat RM and then lost to CFC. Going by what you are saying, Carlo would be excused for beating RM and losing to Monaco even if his journey ends in the semis.

A40:

The point is we scored. You have been towing the line of absolutes so why stop now? We did within 45 minutes under Carlo what we didn't do in 180 mins under Pep. Shebi is when a team scores that you would talk about advancing

I have no excuse. My own point is Pro Pep crowd cannot come here to tell us Fraudiola did better because he got to the semifinal by the luck of the draw beating farmers like Porto, Benfica and Man United

Should Carlo beat Madrid at least that pride that we can still beat elite European teams would return to the average Bayern fan. Its a given now that you can't win the CL without beating any of the 3 beasts from Spain. No team has done that since 2007

Beating Madrid is a 1-up for me already. Fraudiola fans are at liberty to argue otherwise. I wouldn't expect any different

Going by absolutes you LOST. That is all that matters. There is no we scored in 45mins or else AFC would argue that they almost knocked Jupp's team out by drawing 3-3 yet all they did was go out in the 2nd round same way they did with 10-2 against Carlo. There is no moral victory.

Pep did better. Nobody will say that RM got to last year's finals by beating Roma, Wolfsburg and City even if those teams are minnows.

Even if Carlo beats RM but still loses the tie, it means nothing. Pep beat Barca and ATM in one of the legs but it still does not matter.

If you beat Madrid it will be 1-up for you? You are totally allowed that. Along with the fact that if Carlo crashes out in a quarters- it is good for your club. At least, it proves the chagrin towards Pep has been purely sentimental which has been my point all along.

Eruditor:


Who would have boldly asserted that Pep's Bayern will lose 4-0? Who would have done same to Carlo's Bayern? What experience did LVGs Ajax have in 95 when they won it? What experience compared to Milan did AFC have in 08 when they KOed Carlo's title winning team at San Siro? Who could have predicted it?

A good team is a good team even without experience.

I already told you that Lahm and co at their respective ages are better than 98% of what other teams have. So if they are older than RM now they were still older by the same margin 3 years ago.

Besides, why won't Carlo use his younger players like Costa, Coman, Renato and Kimmich so that age will not be an excuse? He is a better manager, he ought to know this.

As you can see, you are only trying to absolve Carlo for personal and perhaps sentimental reasons- nothing more. Any argument that worked against Pep would fit Carlo perfectly.

Team with Rijkaard, Finidi, Blind, Litmanen, De Boer, Van Der Sar? Wehdone Sir.

Assertion is one thing claiming Monaco was at the same level of City is fa fa fa foul.

Nesta, Kaka, Seedorf, Gattuso, Ambrosini. Lmao they had a Maldini who played U.S.A 94 FFS

Vs

Lehmann, Hleb, Toure, Fabregas, Eboue, Gallas. CL Finalists and semi-finalists. Those are players wey their experience you dey question? Erin keke l'agbole Baba Suwe

Whether they are better than 98% is even debatable. However what is not debatable is that a Xavi at 31 is not the same as Xavi at 34. Your fellow Barca fans are already wailing about Iniesta who is 32/33 yet you are expecting magic from players even older than Iniesta.

No one is giving excuses. Merely stating facts. I'm sure if the younger players showed ability to get the job done they would play more often.

Even the players you listed who bar Costa is experienced? Can you see you are back to square one

A40:

You said it was a 2-man league so why are you so shy to tell us where Chelsea finished prior to Carlo's arrival or the last time Chelsea won the title.

Conte is winning the league at a canter. Which foundation did he meet or set. He even bought fewer players than Pep.

Lol Bernardo Silva is 22 mate, Falcao missed the 2nd leg. That is why I said let us list City players and Monaco's players to compare. Mbappe that was still playing UEFA Youth League as at last season. Lewl

Ronaldo and Messi are once in generation players and were surrounded by experienced players.

Is there a match where striker no dey miss chance? The same striker that still netted two goals in the same tie? Didn't Falcao miss a penalty and didn't play the 2nd leg at all. Are you comparing that to a team that nearly got wiped out by a bomb? Has your love for Pep robbed you of your humanity?

Lahm at 33 has declined, Ribery and Robben at 34 and 33. Declined! 3 years is a big deal for players the wrong side of 30

Carlo in 07 beat Man United with arugbos, He led Madrid past Bayern.

Pep cannot beat Glik, Mbappe and Bakayoko with Agüero and KDB

They finished 3rd in the year they used close to 3 managers. They were always the next best team in England (as long as CR7 was in United). I am not even trying to disparage him but his story is why some coaches like to engrain their team with their philosophy because short term successes don't make for dynasties. Did Jupp win it all his first season?

LOL. Before the season began Pep picked Conte to win the league. He said Conte's tactics are easier to learn and that lack of UCL will give them time to imbibe it. He already said his team would need more time and that by next season they would have grasped all he is trying to teach them. But I digress.

A team does not necessarily need experience to do well. Mourinho's Porto didn't. LVGs Ajax didn't. It was their performance in those years that made bigger teams seek their players. In the same fashion, we are experiencing the birth of a solid Monaco team. As formidable as they are (or have been this year), Pep's city were on the verge of ousting them had Aguero not fluffed 2 easy chances when the tie was 6-5 in City's favor. This is all moral talk and I am not here for that.

Every team will have an excuse; Arsenal lost their best defender, RM lost Pepe etc. So Dortmund can't be excused if City won't be.

In the same vein, even CR7 has declined. Bale is not the same explosive player. Nacho is inexperienced. Who is Asensio? We cannot make excuses for a Bayern that beat younger teams in AFC and Dortmund. They had more than enough to beat RM but they did not. If their declining age is the issue he had younger stars who should have been deployed.

Carlo beat United in 07, got beat by AFC in 08. He beat Bayern with Madrid? Lol Pep did same with Barca even beating Bayern 4-0 himself. He also beat RM being managed by Mou 2-0 at Santiago. If this was a CV competition Pep will win. But we are shifting from the main issue - do you now agree that these things could go either way regardless of the manager or how well a team plays?

A40:

Team with Rijkaard, Finidi, Blind, Litmanen, De Boer, Van Der Sar? Wehdone Sir.

Assertion is one thing claiming Monaco was at the same level of City is fa fa fa foul.

Nesta, Kaka, Seedorf, Gattuso, Ambrosini. Lmao they had a Maldini who played U.S.A 94 FFS

Vs

Lehmann, Hleb, Toure, Fabregas, Eboue, Gallas. CL Finalists and semi-finalists. Those are players wey their experience you dey question? Erin keke l'agbole Baba Suwe

Whether they are better than 98% is even debatable. However what is not debatable is that a Xavi at 31 is not the same as Xavi at 34. Your fellow Barca fans are already wailing about Iniesta who is 32/33 yet you are expecting magic from players even older than Iniesta.

No one is giving excuses. Merely stating facts. I'm sure if the younger players showed ability to get the job done they would play more often.

Even the players you listed who bar Costa is experienced? Can you see you are back to square one

You are listing names please list the ages as well. Let us see how experienced that Ajax squad was in the UCL.

Monaco of this season is an elite team and City is not. Monaco are in how many finals? They top their league, they have scored more than 130 goals. If you don't agree that they are this season, that's also fine. What is absolute tommyrot is the argument that City is mandated to make another Semi even when the last season was a fluke. It is like CFC expecting to win the UCL again in 2013 after winning it in 2012.

The AFC vs Milan squad just falls flat because Milan had way more experience and should have won. Or else what argument are you making about City vs Monaco again?

Okay, so now your argument is that Bayern's players are aged (I agree) and that is the excuse for why they lost. But when I mentioned City's players being aged (Silva, Zabaleta, Kolarov) you objected and mentioned their experience. Is that not right back at you?

Eruditor:


Going by absolutes you LOST. That is all that matters. There is no we scored in 45mins or else AFC would argue that they almost knocked Jupp's team out by drawing 3-3 yet all they did was go out in the 2nd round same way they did with 10-2 against Carlo. There is no moral victory.

Pep did better. Nobody will say that RM got to last year's finals by beating Roma, Wolfsburg and City even if those teams are minnows.

Even if Carlo beats RM but still loses the tie, it means nothing. Pep beat Barca and ATM in one of the legs but it still does not matter.

If you beat Madrid it will be 1-up for you? You are totally allowed that. Along with the fact that if Carlo crashes out in a quarters- it is good for your club. At least, it proves the chagrin towards Pep has been purely sentimental which has been my point all along.

Isn't it premature to even say that. We aren't out yet. Losing via away goals is not remotely comparable to losing 10-2 considering Arsenal were clear underdogs. Underdog no talk say make you lose 10-2 Compare like for like.

Pep did not do better. He failed to beat any of these teams. And of course Carlo has to advance to top Pep. However the stage he does it is immaterial since Pep never ever did that.

Carlo would have to fail at 3 attempts or lose to an inferior team to be adjudged to be worse than Pep. Should he do that I won't need any help to critique Carlo. Bayern uber alles. I don't put anybody above the club

Some translated press reactions from the German media after Bayerns loss against Madrid coming up.

Zeit: "Bayern haven't been beaten up like that in a long time. Some myths have been shattered ('Bayern step up when it matters most')..."