Zeit: "Another myth: Under Ancelotti, Bayern are more rested in spring than under Guardiola. But it's not true..."

Zeit: "...Only in the traffic jam in the parking lot you could witness more standing around than in Bayern's the 2nd half"

Zeit: "If you take the legacy of Pep's football as sandcastle, it's now removed game by game. The football is washed away."

11Freunde: "Aimless, total breakdown with 10 men. You could see they didn't yet have to play a single minute in 10 men under Ancelotti."

SZ: "It was astonishing how Bayern surrendered, how they were freed from all tactics.Neuer continually prevented the worst with great saves"

Eruditor:


You are listing names please list the ages as well. Let us see how experienced that Ajax squad was in the UCL.

Monaco of this season is an elite team and City is not. Monaco are in how many finals? They top their league, they have scored more than 130 goals. If you don't agree that they are this season, that's also fine. What is absolute tommyrot is the argument that City is mandated to make another Semi even when the last season was a fluke. It is like CFC expecting to win the UCL again in 2013 after winning it in 2012.

The AFC vs Milan squad just falls flat because Milan had way more experience and should have won. Or else what argument are you making about City vs Monaco again?

Okay, so now your argument is that Bayern's players are aged (I agree) and that is the excuse for why they lost. But when I mentioned City's players being aged (Silva, Zabaleta, Kolarov) you objected and mentioned their experience. Is that not right back at you?

Uncle. When I asked you to list Monaco you answer?

Van Der Sar, Blind, De Boer were all part of the team that won the UEFA Cup in 1991/92. I don't need to tell you about Rijkaard or Finidi George. Litmanen was 25. That is 6 players out of 11 so try again.

Of course City cannot be an elite team with Fraudiola at the helm. After blowing through almost £100m I wonder when they would be elite. City is not mandated to get to the semis. But at least beat Monaco and don't buttress what the anti Pep crowd has been saying.

My argument stand gidigba like Sequoia tree. Arsenal were 2 years removed from a CL Final with multiple League winners in the squad. Gallas, Lehmann, Toure who in Monaco aside Falcao can boast of experience or winning any kind of titles. Compare like for like edakun

I didn't say Age is why we lost Bros. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm telling you that team is significantly older. And age matters

Silva and Kolarov are 31. 3 years younger than Ribery. Go and ask Iniesta what 2 years can do to you after 30 never mind 3

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Uncle. When I asked you to list Monaco you answer?

Van Der Sar, Blind, De Boer were all part of the team that won the UEFA Cup in 1991/92. I don't need to tell you about Rijkaard or Finidi George. Litmanen was 25. That is 6 players out of 11 so try again.

Of course City cannot be an elite team with Fraudiola at the helm. After blowing through almost £100m I wonder when they would be elite. City is not mandated to get to the semis. But at least beat Monaco and don't buttress what the anti Pep crowd has been saying.

My argument stand gidigba like Sequoia tree. Arsenal were 2 years removed from a CL Final with multiple League winners in the squad. Gallas, Lehmann, Toure who in Monaco aside Falcao can boast of experience or winning any kind of titles. Compare like for like edakun

I didn't say Age is why we lost Bros. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm telling you that team is significantly older. And age matters

Silva and Kolarov are 31. 3 years younger than Ribery. Go and ask Iniesta what 2 years can do to you after 30 never mind 3

You still don't get it. Did AC Milan that had gotten to 2 other consecutive finals before 95 not possess more experience? Why did Ajax win? That's what I am saying, Monaco FC with "less experience" can beat City (6-6) and it would be excused especially when one considers how the actual game went.

If City are not yet an elite team it has nothing to do with Pep yet. A manager trying to build an edifice will not be expected to complete his at the same time it will take a manager trying to build a hut. So like Pep said, Judge his team by next season. He is trying to reposition a counter-attacking team to play more imperially and dominant. It cannot happen in a flash.

The Arsenal team of 08 had lost a core of the winners. Lehmann was aged and did not even start games. Sagna, Senderos, Adebayor- are those the winners that you are excusing for beating AC Milan with Kaka, Seedorf etc who were the reigning champs?

Did Ribery and Robben not play when you thrashed Dortmund 4-1? Is that not what convinced your coach they could bring it against RM? Did he not use them against AFC or ATM? I don't understand. I still don't see how it excuses them. Iniesta is being used wrongly by Enrique and we have not posited Iniesta as a reason for the loss. But you want to claim Ancelotti is doing better yet he is not.

Eruditor:


They finished 3rd in the year they used close to 3 managers. They were always the next best team in England (as long as CR7 was in United). I am not even trying to disparage him but his story is why some coaches like to engrain their team with their philosophy because short term successes don't make for dynasties. Did Jupp win it all his first season?

LOL. Before the season began Pep picked Conte to win the league. He said Conte's tactics are easier to learn and that lack of UCL will give them time to imbibe it. He already said his team would need more time and that by next season they would have grasped all he is trying to teach them. But I digress.

A team does not necessarily need experience to do well. Mourinho's Porto didn't. LVGs Ajax didn't. It was their performance in those years that made bigger teams seek their players. In the same fashion, we are experiencing the birth of a solid Monaco team. As formidable as they are (or have been this year), Pep's city were on the verge of ousting them had Aguero not fluffed 2 easy chances when the tie was 6-5 in City's favor. This is all moral talk and I am not here for that.

Every team will have an excuse; Arsenal lost their best defender, RM lost Pepe etc. So Dortmund can't be excused if City won't be.

In the same vein, even CR7 has declined. Bale is not the same explosive player. Nacho is inexperienced. Who is Asensio? We cannot make excuses for a Bayern that beat younger teams in AFC and Dortmund. They had more than enough to beat RM but they did not. If their declining age is the issue he had younger stars who should have been deployed.

Carlo beat United in 07, got beat by AFC in 08. He beat Bayern with Madrid? Lol Pep did same with Barca even beating Bayern 4-0 himself. He also beat RM being managed by Mou 2-0 at Santiago. If this was a CV competition Pep will win. But we are shifting from the main issue - do you now agree that these things could go either way regardless of the manager or how well a team plays?

Isn't that more reason to give Carlo credit? Coming to a new team and a new league. Chelsea had gone almost 4years without a league title. He improved on his predecessor. Can you remotely claim Pep did the same? Yeah like Chelsea would give you time to build a dynasty. I wonder what dynasty Carlo would build with the likes of Drogba, Lampard at 32.

Jupp got to the Finals of the CL with a team that barely made CL that year. Don't compare his scenario to Fraudiola's

I am eager to see what Fraudiola would do next season. His competitors would not kuku stand pat

Stop repeating that LVG team lacked experience line. I have since shown otherwise. Porto won the Europa League the previous year. Vitor Baia, Jorge Costa, Benni McCarthy are not players lacking experience.

What was Monaco's achievement as a collective? You are still not answering my question. Even the players individually

Aguero is why the tie was 6-5. Falcao missed a penalty.

Sorry I am not comparing Fraudiola's failure to that of a team 22 hours removed from an actual bomb attack. Can't do it

Pep had a complete Bayern team and failed. Carlo faced Madrid without Lewa and missed the first leg. And lost. Fair play. We are not out yet

Hahahahaha Jurgen Klinsmann's Bayern with the likes of Lell, Ottl, Podolski. Beat Madrid with a dubious red card. I'm crying fam

Pep literally owes his career to Ovrebo. The EPL is opening his yansh. O ti mo meme

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Isn't that more reason to give Carlo credit? Coming to a new team and a new league. Chelsea had gone almost 4years without a league title. He improved on his predecessor. Can you remotely claim Pep did the same? Yeah like Chelsea would give you time to build a dynasty. I wonder what dynasty Carlo would build with the likes of Drogba, Lampard at 32.

Jupp got to the Finals of the CL with a team that barely made CL that year. Don't compare his scenario to Fraudiola's

I am eager to see what Fraudiola would do next season. His competitors would not kuku stand pat

Stop repeating that LVG team lacked experience line. I have since shown otherwise. Porto won the Europa League the previous year. Vitor Baia, Jorge Costa, Benni McCarthy are not players lacking experience.

What was Monaco's achievement as a collective? You are still not answering my question. Even the players individually

Aguero is why the tie was 6-5. Falcao missed a penalty.

Sorry I am not comparing Fraudiola's failure to that of a team 22 hours removed from an actual bomb attack. Can't do it

Pep had a complete Bayern team and failed. Carlo faced Madrid without Lewa and missed the first leg. And lost. Fair play. We are not out yet

Hahahahaha Jurgen Klinsmann's Bayern with the likes of Lell, Ottl, Podolski. Beat Madrid with a dubious red card. I'm crying fam

Pep literally owes his career to Ovrebo. The EPL is opening his yansh. O ti mo meme

I am not being drawn into a Pep vs Carlo argument because Pep will win easily and "good teams" will be the next excuse. Pep has improved on the City of last season, it is clear as crystal for anyone who wants to see. If Pep failed by losing in away goals to Monaco then Carlo is failing woefully by losing a home game to RM.

Jupp got thrashed by Dortmund 5-2 and won absolutely nothing his first season. I mentioned him to show that his next season (when he had fully placed himself in the team) he won a treble.

I have equally shown you how your LVG team and Porto falls flat again. The talk was about since City had recently been in the UCL Semis they should be beating Monaco and I have shown how City's experience counts about as much as AFCs could count against a Milan team that had won it the previous year. The only argument you want to hold onto is - as long as it is Pep it is his fault but every other manager gets a pass.

Don't worry about Dortmund, next week when they are 7 days removed from a bomb blast we would assess their performance away at Monaco. As per what Monaco had achieved before this season? What about a UCL quarter final place only a year and a half away? That sort of argument is neither here nor there. "I get am before no be property". You judge what is infront of you like you would for Leicester-and not say they are ROLA Champs and should be winning the UCL.

LOL @ complete Bayern and failed. If he used Green, Gaudino and Rhodes it will still be called Bayern Munich. So that excuse for Carlo is weak like 7 days. If it was not good enough for Pep it can never be good for Carlo.

Now you are listing the Caliber of players for Bayern under Klinsmann as if they called them another name but Bayern then you said a deserved Pepe red was dubious but same you claimed your penalty against RM was legit. Lol, in that case, even the red card against AFC was dubious.

Yea he does owe his career to overbo. Carlo doesn't. What is he doing to Bayern? He was supposed to be the savior. He has lost more games at the same point and may achieve far less if care is not taken. I am also watching.

Eruditor:

Did Javi Martinez not play Dortmund over the weekend? Why did he not get 2 dumb fouls then? If the tactics worked against Dortmund and you won, then it failed against RM that is why you lost the middle is excluded.

At even strength Madrid had hit your bar and scored a goal at least so what tactics was working? If the penalty was more deserving than what Barca got against PSG that is debatable but let me for the sake of this discourse accept it, what does it have to do with Carlo losing and you making excuses for him?

If the scoreline flattered you same way 4-0 flattered you against Pep then my argument is made - Carlo is not doing any better. Lewa has scored 60% of Bayern's goals this year? Fine. Was he there when Pep lost to Madrid? Why did you not argue then too that he needed a better striker than Mandzukic? See I told you. Any argument you make for Carlo will work for Pep.

Pellegrini beat PSG with Zlatan? Did that PSG beat Barca 4-0? Did that PSG beat Monaco 4-1? Gundogan and Jesus are as important as they were to City before they got injured just like Lewa. After all, would Pep have beaten Barca without Gundogan? No.

Lol, I don't have to show it to prove anything. All Carlo needs to do is get to the semis to equal Pep. After all, Jupp beat RM and then lost to CFC. Going by what you are saying, Carlo would be excused for beating RM and losing to Monaco even if his journey ends in the semis.

O ga ju. You would soon ask me why the vulture is bald. Even the worst Enrique critic can tell the difference between a player letting his team down and Enrique's tactics not working else you lot would not be questioning his quality

We actually scored a goal. And put enough pressure on Madrid to win a penalty. All in 45 mins. You can tell me what was the outcome of the corresponding fixture vs Madrid back in 2014. I'll wait

Your argument is not made. More like premature but in the event of a loss then Carlo cannot be said to have done worse than Pep. Afterall most Bayern fans have not said going out to Madrid here means Carlo has done better. No point also talking about Lewandowski who wasn't a Bayern player. I can as well say we needed Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi

PSG under Zlatan romped to the Ligue 1 title. Chelsea would tell you about the untold hardship they have endured in the hands of PSG. Beating PSG no be moin moin. The Fraudiola that cannot beat Monaco shey na PSG him wan beat?

Perma crock Gündogan and some random boy from Brazil with no CL experience na him you dey use compare Lewandodo. Lewl! Wake me up when any of them put 4 goals past Madrid.

If you beat Atletico, Madrid or Barca you might win the CL if you don't beat either 3 you are NOT winning the CL. The objective is to beat them first and take it from there. If Carlo does that he has topped Pep already whether he gets past the semis or not

Eruditor:

You still don't get it. Did AC Milan that had gotten to 2 other consecutive finals before 95 not possess more experience? Why did Ajax win? That's what I am saying, Monaco FC with "less experience" can beat City (6-6) and it would be excused especially when one considers how the actual game went.

If City are not yet an elite team it has nothing to do with Pep yet. A manager trying to build an edifice will not be expected to complete his at the same time it will take a manager trying to build a hut. So like Pep said, Judge his team by next season. He is trying to reposition a counter-attacking team to play more imperially and dominant. It cannot happen in a flash.

The Arsenal team of 08 had lost a core of the winners. Lehmann was aged and did not even start games. Sagna, Senderos, Adebayor- are those the winners that you are excusing for beating AC Milan with Kaka, Seedorf etc who were the reigning champs?

Did Ribery and Robben not play when you thrashed Dortmund 4-1? Is that not what convinced your coach they could bring it against RM? Did he not use them against AFC or ATM? I don't understand. I still don't see how it excuses them. Iniesta is being used wrongly by Enrique and we have not posited Iniesta as a reason for the loss. But you want to claim Ancelotti is doing better yet he is not.

Yes Milan had more experience. No one excused Milan either. It was an upset and upsets are allowed to happen in sports but claiming Ajax had no experience is laughable. Not with Rijkaard in the squad and 3 players who had won the UEFA Cup a full 3 years ago as well as Litmanen and Finidi.

Haha City is about the same level as PSG. They are borderline elite and would be regular CL quarterfinalists if not for getting drawn with Barca. However thanks to a fraud like Pep that theory is now in doubt. Edifice ko Edmilson ni. City have always been one of the most attacking and easiest teams on the eye unless where faced with a Madrid, Barca or Bayern. Tell your Pep to carry his dodo ikire elsewhere. Carlo came to England and beat the top 4 home and away in his debut season. Fraudiola's debut season. 4 losses, 2 draws. Isu no be cocoyam

I mentioned 5 proven players yet you skipped them and jumped to Senderos and Adebayor. An arugbo Milan team who finished 20 something points behind their league winner. Don't paint that 08 team as some all conquering side we know better.

I am not making excuses I am stating facts! Robben and Ribery at 30 is different from Robben and Ribery at 34. As for Iniesta didn't he go a full year without a goal or assist? You mean you are blaming Iniesta's poor form on Enrique's tactics? Jesu oh! You would soon blame Enrique for the War in Syria

I am hearing Hummels might be back for the 2nd leg

Eruditor:


I am not being drawn into a Pep vs Carlo argument because Pep will win easily and "good teams" will be the next excuse. Pep has improved on the City of last season, it is clear as crystal for anyone who wants to see. If Pep failed by losing in away goals to Monaco then Carlo is failing woefully by losing a home game to RM.

Jupp got thrashed by Dortmund 5-2 and won absolutely nothing his first season. I mentioned him to show that his next season (when he had fully placed himself in the team) he won a treble.

I have equally shown you how your LVG team and Porto falls flat again. The talk was about since City had recently been in the UCL Semis they should be beating Monaco and I have shown how City's experience counts about as much as AFCs could count against a Milan team that had won it the previous year. The only argument you want to hold onto is - as long as it is Pep it is his fault but every other manager gets a pass.

Don't worry about Dortmund, next week when they are 7 days removed from a bomb blast we would assess their performance away at Monaco. As per what Monaco had achieved before this season? What about a UCL quarter final place only a year and a half away? That sort of argument is neither here nor there. "I get am before no be property". You judge what is infront of you like you would for Leicester-and not say they are ROLA Champs and should be winning the UCL.

LOL @ complete Bayern and failed. If he used Green, Gaudino and Rhodes it will still be called Bayern Munich. So that excuse for Carlo is weak like 7 days. If it was not good enough for Pep it can never be good for Carlo.

Now you are listing the Caliber of players for Bayern under Klinsmann as if they called them another name but Bayern then you said a deserved Pepe red was dubious but same you claimed your penalty against RM was legit. Lol, in that case, even the red card against AFC was dubious.

Yea he does owe his career to overbo. Carlo doesn't. What is he doing to Bayern? He was supposed to be the savior. He has lost more games at the same point and may achieve far less if care is not taken. I am also watching.

Pep has not won any title Ancelotti did not win. And he did it without Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. If you mention La Liga I would counter you with EPL so hold that thought.

Pep has improved on zilch, nada, zero. City won a title, got to the CL semis and did not get eliminated by AS goddamn Monaco last year. Fraudiola lost to an inferior Monaco in the 2nd round, is still 4th in the league, lost to every team in the top 4 and failed to beat any. In what alternate universe can that be termed improvement?

Bayern were leading the league at the winter break, got to a CL Final in Jupp's debut. 2013 was not a fluke we were not far away from a treble in 2012. Its comedic that you are using that as a reference point for Pep. If you think that is what would happen with City next year you are in for an unpleasant shock

I'm still trying to understand what LVG and Porto have to do with Pep's incompetence. Ancelotti's CL record isn't flawless. He has blown huge leads in the past. But nobody hypes him like Pep

Dortmund's error was going into that game that quickly. Is it not who is alive that would play football. If Monaco get to the semis good on them. That does not excuse Pep's failure. Sorry

Of course I have to list the players before you try to puff up Fraudiola's achievements. He still needed Ovrebo to get past Chelsea denying them 3 point blank penalties. Ovrebo cannot ref an Under 13 girls match anymore never mind a CL match.

Koscielny prevented a goal bound striker from advancing what should the ref had blown? Goal kick?

Unless Carlo loses the league title it cannot be objectively argued he has done worse than Fraudiola

A40:

O ga ju. You would soon ask me why the vulture is bald. Even the worst Enrique critic can tell the difference between a player letting his team down and Enrique's tactics not working else you lot would not be questioning his quality

We actually scored a goal. And put enough pressure on Madrid to win a penalty. All in 45 mins. You can tell me what was the outcome of the corresponding fixture vs Madrid back in 2014. I'll wait

Your argument is not made. More like premature but in the event of a loss then Carlo cannot be said to have done worse than Pep. Afterall most Bayern fans have not said going out to Madrid here means Carlo has done better. No point also talking about Lewandowski who wasn't a Bayern player. I can as well say we needed Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi

PSG under Zlatan romped to the Ligue 1 title. Chelsea would tell you about the untold hardship they have endured in the hands of PSG. Beating PSG no be moin moin. The Fraudiola that cannot beat Monaco shey na PSG him wan beat?

Perma crock Gündogan and some random boy from Brazil with no CL experience na him you dey use compare Lewandodo. Lewl! Wake me up when any of them put 4 goals past Madrid.

If you beat Atletico, Madrid or Barca you might win the CL if you don't beat either 3 you are NOT winning the CL. The objective is to beat them first and take it from there. If Carlo does that he has topped Pep already whether he gets past the semis or not

You are the one still not getting it. That you scored a goal in a game you lost is insignificant. You lost. If you score another goal and lose in the 2nd leg, you lost and will be out so except losing both legs or the tie will amount to a win, you have no case for Ancelotti. He has only beaten teams Pep beat and has lost the same game Pep lost. Only that he is doing it earlier because he finished 2nd in a group (and Pep never did so).

It is a good thing you have said there is no point talking about Lewa - that is exactly what I have been saying. Once a player is not available, he is not available or else Pep can make the same argument. Remember I am here to show you that no matter the argument you want to make for Carlo, Pep can make it.

PSG under Zlatan did not have this Monaco just like CFC under Hiddink did not have Kante. Therefore, I must make my argument with what I have infront of me and not patching instance from eras and even decades to make an excuse for Carlo. The PSG of this season is below Monaco in the league.

The instrumentality of Gundogan and Jesus before their injury is all I can account for. If Muller was injured before last game like Lewa you would have argued that Muller was missed yet how instrumental had he been before the injury - that is what I would have asked. Therefore, Gundogan and Jesus are as important a loss to city as Lewa is to Bayern. Period.

Just say, if Carlo smiles at me he has done better than Pep. It is better than arguing that a manager who finished in a quarters (for example) has done more than another who got to 3 semis but in the same breath say Pep has not improved on City because he did not beat any team in the present top 4 (when 1- that top 4 is subject to change and if AFC and United make it, your point will be lost). 2, LFC and Tot beat City home and away last season (but did not do it this season). 3, Arsenal beat and drew with City yet Pep has reversed it and garnered more points than Pellegrini managed at this same point last season.

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Yes Milan had more experience. No one excused Milan either. It was an upset and upsets are allowed to happen in sports but claiming Ajax had no experience is laughable. Not with Rijkaard in the squad and 3 players who had won the UEFA Cup a full 3 years ago as well as Litmanen and Finidi.

Haha City is about the same level as PSG. They are borderline elite and would be regular CL quarterfinalists if not for getting drawn with Barca. However thanks to a fraud like Pep that theory is now in doubt. Edifice ko Edmilson ni. City have always been one of the most attacking and easiest teams on the eye unless where faced with a Madrid, Barca or Bayern. Tell your Pep to carry his dodo ikire elsewhere. Carlo came to England and beat the top 4 home and away in his debut season. Fraudiola's debut season. 4 losses, 2 draws. Isu no be cocoyam

I mentioned 5 proven players yet you skipped them and jumped to Senderos and Adebayor. An arugbo Milan team who finished 20 something points behind their league winner. Don't paint that 08 team as some all conquering side we know better.

I am not making excuses I am stating facts! Robben and Ribery at 30 is different from Robben and Ribery at 34. As for Iniesta didn't he go a full year without a goal or assist? You mean you are blaming Iniesta's poor form on Enrique's tactics? Jesu oh! You would soon blame Enrique for the War in Syria

If nobody is making an argument for Milan then your argument is dead. Because City lost to Monaco and it could qualify as an upset but you want to magnify it because it is Pep. Besides, The UEFA Cup is not the Champions league please, ask Sevilla.

In what world is City PSG's mate my good lord? They are not near or about anything. City is fledgling and only just. Thank God last season wasn't Pellegrini's first with them. I like how Barca and RM become big clubs only when Pep is not playing against them or would you remember that City had not beaten Barca till he came? Lol.

City attacking? Yes. Easiest on the eye? Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Carlo beat top 4 home and away? Why did you not say top 5? Lol. Carlo won the league that is what he did. Beating top 4is neither here nor there. Then came his 2nd season how many did he beat then? That is why I told you to wait till Pep's time there is up because if he ends up beating top 6 and wins the league his 2 years would be better than Carlo's.

You mentioned players that were either unproven or no longer featuring. Lehman did not even play against Milan and Hleb was what? Proven by who? What is our concern if Milan finished 20 points behind did they not win UCL a year before? If Litmanen and co in Ajax had won UEFA Cup 3 years ago but you adduce it as a reason that they had cognate experience why should UCL-winning Milan only a year before get a pass? Let me guess, because Pep did not manage the team. If he did you would have called him a failure for not winning the UCL again and say someone else won it before him. You won't remember age of the players or if they were declining.

I don't understand again. Did anyone mention Iniesta as a reason Barca lost? No, we blamed the coach without excusing Iniesta's age. But you want to clutch on to Robben and Ribery being 30+ when you did not remember it when they were raping Arsenal and Dortmund.

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Pep has not won any title Ancelotti did not win. And he did it without Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. If you mention La Liga I would counter you with EPL so hold that thought.

Pep has improved on zilch, nada, zero. City won a title, got to the CL semis and did not get eliminated by AS goddamn Monaco last year. Fraudiola lost to an inferior Monaco in the 2nd round, is still 4th in the league, lost to every team in the top 4 and failed to beat any. In what alternate universe can that be termed improvement?

Bayern were leading the league at the winter break, got to a CL Final in Jupp's debut. 2013 was not a fluke we were not far away from a treble in 2012. Its comedic that you are using that as a reference point for Pep. If you think that is what would happen with City next year you are in for an unpleasant shock

I'm still trying to understand what LVG and Porto have to do with Pep's incompetence. Ancelotti's CL record isn't flawless. He has blown huge leads in the past. But nobody hypes him like Pep

Dortmund's error was going into that game that quickly. Is it not who is alive that would play football. If Monaco get to the semis good on them. That does not excuse Pep's failure. Sorry

Of course I have to list the players before you try to puff up Fraudiola's achievements. He still needed Ovrebo to get past Chelsea denying them 3 point blank penalties. Ovrebo cannot ref an Under 13 girls match anymore never mind a CL match.

Koscielny prevented a goal bound striker from advancing what should the ref had blown? Goal kick?

Unless Carlo loses the league title it cannot be objectively argued he has done worse than Fraudiola

How many La Liga seasons did Carlo have? Good, now juxtapose it with how many EPL seasons Pep has played in. I don't jump about one-season wonders. Where is Ranieri today?

CFC won UCL 2012 so they should have won 2013 too. Bayern got to Semis in 2016 so Carlo must get to the final in 2017 too. AS Monaco (almost sure-fire semifinalsts are now inferior because na Pep them beat. Exactly what I said).

Hahahaha, Jesus see achievements for Jupp. Bayern were winter champions and got hammered by Dortmund in the DFB-Pokal finals. Also got beat by a useless CFC side. Should I also say Pep was first in the EPL after 10 games? Will it count as an achievement? The same way Jupp, Klopp, Rodgers, LVG, Pochettino had better 2nd seasons, watch Pep in his 2nd season. Mancini, Pellegrini, Carlo, Ranieri are examples of one-season wonders who got sacked the following year. Just chill.

All that talk about Ovrebo is tasteless because Pep did not influence it. I could have counted how many times Barca got cheated in that same game but what good will it do? This is not about Pep no matter how you try to change it. Carlo has never been helped or lucky sure. Oya, get to the UCL final and show Pep what he does not know. Simples.

So Kos fouled a striker by genuinely going for the ball. What was the red card for? Before you respond, the very next day Sevilla gets awarded a similar penalty against Leicester but no red card was given. Only problem is the ref of the Bayern game was not called Ovrebo. Neither was the one who wanted to give Bayern an imaginary penalty against RM called Ovrebo. But all those instances are immaterial because they did not happen to a Pep coached team. Then Porto and United with strong UCL history will become moin moin teams.

Eruditor:


You are the one still not getting it. That you scored a goal in a game you lost is insignificant. You lost. If you score another goal and lose in the 2nd leg, you lost and will be out so except losing both legs or the tie will amount to a win, you have no case for Ancelotti. He has only beaten teams Pep beat and has lost the same game Pep lost. Only that he is doing it earlier because he finished 2nd in a group (and Pep never did so).

It is a good thing you have said there is no point talking about Lewa - that is exactly what I have been saying. Once a player is not available, he is not available or else Pep can make the same argument. Remember I am here to show you that no matter the argument you want to make for Carlo, Pep can make it.

PSG under Zlatan did not have this Monaco just like CFC under Hiddink did not have Kante. Therefore, I must make my argument with what I have infront of me and not patching instance from eras and even decades to make an excuse for Carlo. The PSG of this season is below Monaco in the league.

The instrumentality of Gundogan and Jesus before their injury is all I can account for. If Muller was injured before last game like Lewa you would have argued that Muller was missed yet how instrumental had he been before the injury - that is what I would have asked. Therefore, Gundogan and Jesus are as important a loss to city as Lewa is to Bayern. Period.

Just say, if Carlo smiles at me he has done better than Pep. It is better than arguing that a manager who finished in a quarters (for example) has done more than another who got to 3 semis but in the same breath say Pep has not improved on City because he did not beat any team in the present top 4 (when 1- that top 4 is subject to change and if AFC and United make it, your point will be lost). 2, LFC and Tot beat City home and away last season (but did not do it this season). 3, Arsenal beat and drew with City yet Pep has reversed it and garnered more points than Pellegrini managed at this same point last season.

I would point out to the goal because it keeps us in the tie. We are not out yet and I have agreed Carlo has to advance to be adjudged as better than Pep so I am still searching for the source of your agitation

Finished 2nd in a Group? I didn't know group stage finishes count for quarter final draws as well. Smh

Pep only got to the semis because the ping pong ball did not give him Barca, Madrid or Atleti in earlier rounds. Kpokwem

Mandzukic in 2014 was our Lewandowski. I am still at a loss as to why you are listing players who were not on Bayern's payroll. I might as well say we missed Rinaldo

What do you mean by 'this' Monaco? City last year were 4th and knocked out PSG who were 1st. This year City are still 4th and GOT knocked out by Monaco who lead Ligue 1. What's the difference? Pep Fraudiolaaaa

Instrument ko Orchestra ni. Who was arguing about the instrumentality of Muller. He is not even a Bayern starter these days. It is also laughable that you brought up instrumentality of Jesus and Gundogan. How many games and for how many months combined have they been instrumental. Lewy + Muller vs Jesus + Gundogan. The joke writes itself

But you are confidently arguing on a CL tie that is subject to change and on Carlo who is just completing a season at Bayern. Carlo has not done worse

As it stands Pep has lost to every team in the 'current' top 4.

Pep gathering 100 more points is useless. He's still 4th, has won zilch and got knocked out in the 2nd round of the CL to the Bakayoko's of this world. All a significant drop from Pellegrini. How do you say FRAUD in Catalan

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I would point out to the goal because it keeps us in the tie. We are not out yet and I have agreed Carlo has to advance to be adjudged as better than Pep so I am still searching for the source of your agitation

Finished 2nd in a Group? I didn't know group stage finishes count for quarter final draws as well. Smh

Pep only got to the semis because the ping pong ball did not give him Barca, Madrid or Atleti in earlier rounds. Kpokwem

Mandzukic in 2014 was our Lewandowski. I am still at a loss as to why you are listing players who were not on Bayern's payroll. I might as well say we missed Rinaldo

What do you mean by 'this' Monaco? City last year were 4th and knocked out PSG who were 1st. This year City are still 4th and GOT knocked out by Monaco who lead Ligue 1. What's the difference? Pep Fraudiolaaaa

Instrument ko Orchestra ni. Who was arguing about the instrumentality of Muller. He is not even a Bayern starter these days. It is also laughable that you brought up instrumentality of Jesus and Gundogan. How many games and for how many months combined have they been instrumental. Lewy + Muller vs Jesus + Gundogan. The joke writes itself

But you are confidently arguing on a CL tie that is subject to change and on Carlo who is just completing a season at Bayern. Carlo has not done worse

As it stands Pep has lost to every team in the 'current' top 4.

Pep gathering 100 more points is useless. He's still 4th, has won zilch and got knocked out in the 2nd round of the CL to the Bakayoko's of this world. All a significant drop from Pellegrini. How do you say FRAUD in Catalan

The goal keeps you in the tie. But if you win 4-0 second leg with the first leg at 2-0 you would not have gone through? Lol so what is this myth about losing a home game 2-1 and arguing that is keeps you in some tie all because you want to defend Carlo.

No agitation whatsoever. Pep was always at fault but now "Ribery is old, Hummels was missed, Lewa was missed" yet the same you voiced your concerns about Hummels after the AFC tie. LOL. It is all clutching without even shifting gears.

No group stages don't determine quarter final draws but you lost to the same ATM and finished beneath them. Then you lost ahome to the same RM. Hope you are seeing the pattern. You are losing the very same games you hounded Pep for.

Yes he only got to semis because United, Porto, Juventus are not good teams. Yet Juve knocked out Carlo's RM and Pep beat them. But since it was Pep, Juve are minnows.

City knocked out that PSG? Ok good. That PSG is not this Monaco or else Carlo had no business losing to this Rostov since Rostov of last season probably did not even make the UCL. You see why you must adjudicate based on what is in front of you?

We only know Muller has not been instrumental because of his current form. Before Gundogan and Jesus got injured they were featuring and delivering the goods. There is nothing that suggests Lewa would have scored yesterday so summing his goal tally with respect to what Gundogan and Jesus may have done for City is disingenuous. The guy who scored for you the other day is Vidal. The team you had yesterday did not have Lewa and Mandzukic that Pep had is not as good as Lewa. So no need in telling us Hummels and co did not play to excuse Carlo. Now you get it.

I don't understand, Carlo is not done with a season but Pep is done with this season? The tie is not over for Carlo? Did anybody say it is? No. I said if he loses to RM then it proves that Pep was not the problem all along because we have seen that Bayern don't play better under Carlo and it appears like the results may justify it.

LOL to judge a team in a league is to compare their head to head against current top 4? Then they better give Klopp the EPL title. Hahahaha.

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How many La Liga seasons did Carlo have? Good, now juxtapose it with how many EPL seasons Pep has played in. I don't jump about one-season wonders. Where is Ranieri today?

CFC won UCL 2012 so they should have won 2013 too. Bayern got to Semis in 2016 so Carlo must get to the final in 2017 too. AS Monaco (almost sure-fire semifinalsts are now inferior because na Pep them beat. Exactly what I said).

Hahahaha, Jesus see achievements for Jupp. Bayern were winter champions and got hammered by Dortmund in the DFB-Pokal finals. Also got beat by a useless CFC side. Should I also say Pep was first in the EPL after 10 games? Will it count as an achievement? The same way Jupp, Klopp, Rodgers, LVG, Pochettino had better 2nd seasons, watch Pep in his 2nd season. Mancini, Pellegrini, Carlo, Ranieri are examples of one-season wonders who got sacked the following year. Just chill.

All that talk about Ovrebo is tasteless because Pep did not influence it. I could have counted how many times Barca got cheated in that same game but what good will it do? This is not about Pep no matter how you try to change it. Carlo has never been helped or lucky sure. Oya, get to the UCL final and show Pep what he does not know. Simples.

So Kos fouled a striker by genuinely going for the ball. What was the red card for? Before you respond, the very next day Sevilla gets awarded a similar penalty against Leicester but no red card was given. Only problem is the ref of the Bayern game was not called Ovrebo. Neither was the one who wanted to give Bayern an imaginary penalty against RM called Ovrebo. But all those instances are immaterial because they did not happen to a Pep coached team. Then Porto and United with strong UCL history will become moin moin teams.

Carlo didn't win La Liga but won a CL and a Cola Del Rey

Carlo went to England won the league and FA cup

What has Pep done since leaving Barca? Shey una talk say Bundesliga no competitive. What has he done in England? Why would you even bring up Ranieri? Were you expecting him to repeat with Leicester?

Wherever Carlo has to reach is immaterial I have listed the teams he would need to beat to get to the Finals anyway. Monaco is certainly inferior to City on paper only Pep fanboys would argue otherwise. Every City fan and most Pep fanboys were delighted at the draw. They underestimated the degree of a fraud Pep was obviously

Of course they were so useless they beat you at the Bridge and you failed to get past them in Camp Nou

Lmaooo Pep would end up like AVB coaching Shaolin soccer. He has been found out. Better take him back at Barca where MSN would cover his yansh. Aboro la so fun omoluabi to ba de inu re a di odindin

All these managers are victims of impatient management. Fraudiola would not survive 2 years at Chelsea, he would lose his love for football altogether. You can see he has aged significantly since arriving England.

Tasteless? Lmao list the incidents and let's compare to 3 stone wall penalties. I dey wait for you to show incidents that can equate to that

I have told you. We can't talk of Finals without beating Madrid, should we do that everything Pep flies out the window. Period

Going for what ball? The rule is lucid. You don't foul a goal bound striker. Was Lewandowski goal bound or not? Lewandowski was adjudged to foul this same Koscielny in the first leg in an instance where he was clearly trying to clear the ball. Did you see any Bayern fan complain?

As for the Madrid game. You could argue about Carvajal's intent or that it was ball to hand but its bleeding obvious that he made contact with the ball with his arms. We have seen Barca awarded less anyway. They don't call y'all UEFALONA for nothing

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Carlo didn't win La Liga but won a CL and a Cola Del Rey

Carlo went to England won the league and FA cup

What has Pep done since leaving Barca? Shey una talk say Bundesliga no competitive. What has he done in England? Why would you even bring up Ranieri? Were you expecting him to repeat with Leicester?

Wherever Carlo has to reach is immaterial I have listed the teams he would need to beat to get to the Finals anyway. Monaco is certainly inferior to City on paper only Pep fanboys would argue otherwise. Every City fan and most Pep fanboys were delighted at the draw. They underestimated the degree of a fraud Pep was obviously

Of course they were so useless they beat you at the Bridge and you failed to get past them in Camp Nou

Lmaooo Pep would end up like AVB coaching Shaolin soccer. He has been found out. Better take him back at Barca where MSN would cover his yansh. Aboro la so fun omoluabi to ba de inu re a di odindin

All these managers are victims of impatient management. Fraudiola would not survive 2 years at Chelsea, he would lose his love for football altogether. You can see he has aged significantly since arriving England.

Tasteless? Lmao list the incidents and let's compare to 3 stone wall penalties. I dey wait for you to show incidents that can equate to that

I have told you. We can't talk of Finals without beating Madrid, should we do that everything Pep flies out the window. Period

Going for what ball? The rule is lucid. You don't foul a goal bound striker. Was Lewandowski goal bound or not? Lewandowski was adjudged to foul this same Koscielny in the first leg in an instance where he was clearly trying to clear the ball. Did you see any Bayern fan complain?

As for the Madrid game. You could argue about Carvajal's intent or that it was ball to hand but its bleeding obvious that he made contact with the ball with his arms. We have seen Barca awarded less anyway. They don't call y'all UEFALONA for nothing

What is winning UCL and La Copa del Rey? Did he not get fired the following season? Did Pep not win those trophies more than 1ce?

Carlo won league and FA Cup? Next season nko? Ok. So wait for Pep'second season as well. Besides, you know he is in the FA Cup semis? He could win it too. But then it will not count because...fraud.

Was I expecting Ranieri to win it again? But you were expecting City to keep getting to the semi's of the UCL because Pep is involved - see what I mean?

Lol, now where Carlo has to finish is immaterial? So he can lose now and be forgiven after all he lost to RM.

Monaco is inferior on Paper? Like RM were inferior on Paper? Like Polls rated Bayern 72-28 to win the game? Papers were wrong won't you say?

The ifs and maybes have begun. Fraudiola won't survive? Fine. We heard how Carlo would not have lost ahome to Madrid. How Jupp would never do it. Ok. Carlo has done it. That is why I am here. No ifs no maybes. Carlo lost ahome to RM.

Sorry, I can argue that CFC vs Barca game but what does it have to do with Carlo not doing better than Pep which is what I am here for.

Lol, beat Madrid first. Then beat whoever is next. Then you win. That is how it works. Beating top 4 and finishing 4th cannot be better than losing to 4 and winning the league. Like I said, no moral explanations. We need white and black results.

Read me well about Kos I said what was the red card for? Or else every foul in the box should be a red card as that can be argued as a goal scoring chance. Take a look at Crystal Palace vs Arsenal. Penalty no red. It was dubious against Kos and UEFA realized it. So following game Leicester vs Sevilla, they gave the penalty without a red.

Lol @ Carvajals hand. Try his upper arm and close to his shoulder. Try ask ribery why he was laughing and apologizing to Carvajal for the refs gaffe. You are the only one on planet earth that saw it as a penalty but what is the point sef? Carlo did not beat RM in Munich.

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If nobody is making an argument for Milan then your argument is dead. Because City lost to Monaco and it could qualify as an upset but you want to magnify it because it is Pep. Besides, The UEFA Cup is not the Champions league please, ask Sevilla.

In what world is City PSG's mate my good lord? They are not near or about anything. City is fledgling and only just. Thank God last season wasn't Pellegrini's first with them. I like how Barca and RM become big clubs only when Pep is not playing against them or would you remember that City had not beaten Barca till he came? Lol.

City attacking? Yes. Easiest on the eye? Hahahahahahahahahaaha. Carlo beat top 4 home and away? Why did you not say top 5? Lol. Carlo won the league that is what he did. Beating top 4is neither here nor there. Then came his 2nd season how many did he beat then? That is why I told you to wait till Pep's time there is up because if he ends up beating top 6 and wins the league his 2 years would be better than Carlo's.

You mentioned players that were either unproven or no longer featuring. Lehman did not even play against Milan and Hleb was what? Proven by who? What is our concern if Milan finished 20 points behind did they not win UCL a year before? If Litmanen and co in Ajax had won UEFA Cup 3 years ago but you adduce it as a reason that they had cognate experience why should UCL-winning Milan only a year before get a pass? Let me guess, because Pep did not manage the team. If he did you would have called him a failure for not winning the UCL again and say someone else won it before him. You won't remember age of the players or if they were declining.

I don't understand again. Did anyone mention Iniesta as a reason Barca lost? No, we blamed the coach without excusing Iniesta's age. But you want to clutch on to Robben and Ribery being 30+ when you did not remember it when they were raping Arsenal and Dortmund.

Of course its about Pep. Milan lost but that was a Milan side at the end of an era. They had been the best team in Europe since 1989. This is not comparable to a City that was expected to consolidate on last seasons breakthrough. You are comparing for a wrong era anyway. In the times of Ajax and co only the League winner made the CL.

Explain why City is not PSG's mate. I'll wait. You are taking this Pep bias to nuclear levels now. City is fledgling and only just? What do we call Arsenal then? Those ones are still at embryonic stage.

City beat Barca in a group stage match. A game Barca needed 0 points from. You must be having a laugh

City with Nasri, Aguero, David Silva, KDB, Yaya Toure was not easy on the eye? You would soon tell us Fraudiola discovered fire. It's on record that Carlo didn't just win the league but won it in style with the most attacking side the league ever saw. I have told you the ages of key members of that Chelsea squad so struggling the next season was unavoidable. What has been Fraudiola's achievement beside sorrow and disgrace.

Heaviest Defeat - Check
Longest streak without a home win - Check

And I'm sure there would be a lot more to add by season's end.

Don't talk down on Carlo till Pep wins a spoon in England

Lehmann started the first leg. You don't need to come here and tell alternative facts. Hleb was part of the CL run. No? Toure, Fabregas? Gallas didn't play CL footie at Chelsea?

You claimed Ajax lacked experience I have shown you this is false. The players that didn't have CL experience had UEFA cup experience others had International experience. You went to an era where only 1 team made the CL. If that is not dubious I don't know what is. Which player in Monaco can boast of Rijkaard's CV

Iniesta's form is diminishing. This is largely due to age but you claimed Enrique is using Iniesta wrong. Well Pep with his crayfish tactics is also using Kolarov wrong since we are blaming coaches.

Players in their 30's are still capable of genius. Expecting it every 3 days? ROTFLOL

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The goal keeps you in the tie. But if you win 4-0 second leg with the first leg at 2-0 you would not have gone through? Lol so what is this myth about losing a home game 2-1 and arguing that is keeps you in some tie all because you want to defend Carlo.

No agitation whatsoever. Pep was always at fault but now "Ribery is old, Hummels was missed, Lewa was missed" yet the same you voiced your concerns about Hummels after the AFC tie. LOL. It is all clutching without even shifting gears.

No group stages don't determine quarter final draws but you lost to the same ATM and finished beneath them. Then you lost ahome to the same RM. Hope you are seeing the pattern. You are losing the very same games you hounded Pep for.

Yes he only got to semis because United, Porto, Juventus are not good teams. Yet Juve knocked out Carlo's RM and Pep beat them. But since it was Pep, Juve are minnows.

City knocked out that PSG? Ok good. That PSG is not this Monaco or else Carlo had no business losing to this Rostov since Rostov of last season probably did not even make the UCL. You see why you must adjudicate based on what is in front of you?

We only know Muller has not been instrumental because of his current form. Before Gundogan and Jesus got injured they were featuring and delivering the goods. There is nothing that suggests Lewa would have scored yesterday so summing his goal tally with respect to what Gundogan and Jesus may have done for City is disingenuous. The guy who scored for you the other day is Vidal. The team you had yesterday did not have Lewa and Mandzukic that Pep had is not as good as Lewa. So no need in telling us Hummels and co did not play to excuse Carlo. Now you get it.

I don't understand, Carlo is not done with a season but Pep is done with this season? The tie is not over for Carlo? Did anybody say it is? No. I said if he loses to RM then it proves that Pep was not the problem all along because we have seen that Bayern don't play better under Carlo and it appears like the results may justify it.

LOL to judge a team in a league is to compare their head to head against current top 4? Then they better give Klopp the EPL title. Hahahaha.

4-0? Lmaoo you are a fantasist just like Pep. Thanks to that 1 goal even a 2-1 win gets us to extra time at the very least. Madrid can score so long as we can score just 1 more

Pep is still at fault. We are seeing that at City, Ribery is 34 as well, there is no abracadabra that would change that. Ask Apoche cra cra whether Hummels was missed or not. I am stating facts. I have never said they influenced the outcome of the game

We lost to Atleti in the group stages. Wait till the second leg before passing judgement or at least be objective enough to admit Carlo has done no worse than Pep

Juve sans Tevez, Pirlo, Vidal. Clap for yourself

Did you expect Bayern to go unbeaten? Even in our treble year we lost to BATE Borisov. What is your fixation with freak results?

I have asked again delivering over what period? Against Swansea and West Ham? I can also say Joshua Kimmich has been instrumental. He has more goals than Jesus or Gundobelly

There is also nothing suggesting Cristiano Ronaldo would score any time he sets his foot on the pitch but you play him anyway so tell me more about disingenuous

Again no one is giving excuses. I am stating facts. Actually you and Fraudiola are the ones giving excuses. Telling stories that touch about Pep needing time for players to grab his formation and that Conte's formation is simpler blah blah blah blah blah blah

I am giving 360 degree insight on Pep's failure. He is 4th same as Pellegrini, he has the worst record as well. Any angle you wan look am Pep is a massive disappointment at City

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What is winning UCL and La Copa del Rey? Did he not get fired the following season? Did Pep not win those trophies more than 1ce?

Carlo won league and FA Cup? Next season nko? Ok. So wait for Pep'second season as well. Besides, you know he is in the FA Cup semis? He could win it too. But then it will not count because...fraud.

Was I expecting Ranieri to win it again? But you were expecting City to keep getting to the semi's of the UCL because Pep is involved - see what I mean?

Lol, now where Carlo has to finish is immaterial? So he can lose now and be forgiven after all he lost to RM.

Monaco is inferior on Paper? Like RM were inferior on Paper? Like Polls rated Bayern 72-28 to win the game? Papers were wrong won't you say?

The ifs and maybes have begun. Fraudiola won't survive? Fine. We heard how Carlo would not have lost ahome to Madrid. How Jupp would never do it. Ok. Carlo has done it. That is why I am here. No ifs no maybes. Carlo lost ahome to RM.

Sorry, I can argue that CFC vs Barca game but what does it have to do with Carlo not doing better than Pep which is what I am here for.

Lol, beat Madrid first. Then beat whoever is next. Then you win. That is how it works. Beating top 4 and finishing 4th cannot be better than losing to 4 and winning the league. Like I said, no moral explanations. We need white and black results.

Read me well about Kos I said what was the red card for? Or else every foul in the box should be a red card as that can be argued as a goal scoring chance. Take a look at Crystal Palace vs Arsenal. Penalty no red. It was dubious against Kos and UEFA realized it. So following game Leicester vs Sevilla, they gave the penalty without a red.

Lol @ Carvajals hand. Try his upper arm and close to his shoulder. Try ask ribery why he was laughing and apologizing to Carvajal for the refs gaffe. You are the only one on planet earth that saw it as a penalty but what is the point sef? Carlo did not beat RM in Munich.

Of course. We are talking about Real Madrid here.

That more than once abeg always add courtesy of Tom Henning Ovrebo

You are not ready to wait for 2nd leg yet you are telling me to wait for next season. Ogini na fio? And what if he fails to win the FA. Ohhh wait he's not a fraud because we should wait till next season, well what of he gets sacked? Well he's not a fraud he didn't finish the season.

Nope nobody said City had to get to the semis. You are imagining things. Beat the likes of Monaco is all we ask

Which poll rates Bayern over Madrid? Show me the Editor let me slap his face. Were you not here when Raumdeuter told a Chelsea fan to stake on Madrid

Who said Carlo couldn't lose at home to Madrid. Why is your imagination running wild like youths at Spring Break? Trawl the pre match posts and show where any Bayern fan said Carlo would never lose at home to Madrid.

Ohh I wish you would argue it. Let's see what you bring out that would top 3 stonewall penalties

Maybe for you. For me the sole prerequisite is beating Madrid, the defending champs and winners of 2 of the last 3 CLs

Ancelotti did both at Chelsea. Winning and beating everybody. Pep is languishing in 4th having accomplished nada. Isu no be cocoyam

It is down to a referees discretion. The red card was not dubious in any way shape or form, The Carvajal incident could also have been overlooked and no one would bat an eyelid but I have seen less given at Camp Nou and Heaven did not fall down.

Ribery was apologizing? In what language? English, French or Spanish

Speaking of languages how do you say Fraud in Catalan that's all I wanna know

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Of course its about Pep. Milan lost but that was a Milan side at the end of an era. They had been the best team in Europe since 1989. This is not comparable to a City that was expected to consolidate on last seasons breakthrough. You are comparing for a wrong era anyway. In the times of Ajax and co only the League winner made the CL.

Explain why City is not PSG's mate. I'll wait. You are taking this Pep bias to nuclear levels now. City is fledgling and only just? What do we call Arsenal then? Those ones are still at embryonic stage.

City beat Barca in a group stage match. A game Barca needed 0 points from. You must be having a laugh

City with Nasri, Aguero, David Silva, KDB, Yaya Toure was not easy on the eye? You would soon tell us Fraudiola discovered fire. It's on record that Carlo didn't just win the league but won it in style with the most attacking side the league ever saw. I have told you the ages of key members of that Chelsea squad so struggling the next season was unavoidable. What has been Fraudiola's achievement beside sorrow and disgrace.

Heaviest Defeat - Check
Longest streak without a home win - Check

And I'm sure there would be a lot more to add by season's end.

Don't talk down on Carlo till Pep wins a spoon in England

Lehmann started the first leg. You don't need to come here and tell alternative facts. Hleb was part of the CL run. No? Toure, Fabregas? Gallas didn't play CL footie at Chelsea?

You claimed Ajax lacked experience I have shown you this is false. The players that didn't have CL experience had UEFA cup experience others had International experience. You went to an era where only 1 team made the CL. If that is not dubious I don't know what is. Which player in Monaco can boast of Rijkaard's CV

Iniesta's form is diminishing. This is largely due to age but you claimed Enrique is using Iniesta wrong. Well Pep with his crayfish tactics is also using Kolarov wrong since we are blaming coaches.

Players in their 30's are still capable of genius. Expecting it every 3 days? ROTFLOL

Before I respond to this it is not a Pep vs Ancelotti debate. You know this but want to keep detracting from the real gist because you know you have no defence for Carlo.

Again, Milan were at the end of an era but City are not at the end of the era that began with Mancini? I don't understand this level of double-standardness. Milan won the UCL only the year before but what about City and the EPL? 2 years before and their most recent run had them in 4th but you want to sell the false narrative that they should have consolidated on their semi-final place of the previous year. Sorry but this defies common sense.

Haba, Arsenal and City? I don't believe you asked this question. Arsenal FC is 15 times the club City hopes to be. When did City start appearing in the UCL that they would be anybody's mate? Wow, City is being compared with PSG just because Guardiola is there? Hmmm. SMH.

Don't worry about City beating Barca when Barca needed 0 points. Apart from being a barefaced lie, it has nothing to do with Carlo's work in Bayern. I mentioned it to show you what City never did before Pep. They have had other times in the past were even the type of moral victory you are hoping for Bayern would have sufficed but none came. As long as Barca fielded MSN and a full strength squad your argument is DOA.

You have raised an excuse for a team that just won a league title in CFC under Carlo but insist that a team that finished 2nd and 4th before Pep was not in decline again because of Pep. You are the one who is taking your anti-Pep bias to unseen heights and I don't know how else to show you the flaw in your reasoning.

CFC 1st 2009/10 3rd 2009/10 (unavoidable)
City 2nd 14/15 4th 15/16, 16/17 (should consolidate on semis, beat all teams, win 38 games, finish 1st.)

When you were reeling off heaviest defeat I hope you were not referring to in City's history or anything. Pellegrini lost 4-1 3 times to Spurs and LFC just the season before. In fact, I am getting distracted by all these things as it has nothing to do with Carlo. Carlo had 2 seasons in CFC so to compare him to Pep I have to wait for Peps second. It is not rocket science. Carlo chopped steady Ls himself in his second season to AFC, LFC, United and co. Just wait for the second season and focus on his first season at Bayern.


Jeez what does Lehman have to do with the 2-0 at San Siro? Is that not the game Milan lost? Try again.

I said Ajax lacked experience COMPARED to Milan just like you wanted to argue Monaco lacked experience compared to City. Try again....again.

Since who is blaming coaches? You brought up Iniesta on your own. You have brought up Kolariv now on your own even when it adds nothing to what is being discussed. If Carlo is better than Pep inBayern why did he not rest his 30 year olds against Dortmund so they would be fresh and produce their genius in a span longer than 3 days? Is that not what I have been asking?

Kiloshele gangan ?

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4-0? Lmaoo you are a fantasist just like Pep. Thanks to that 1 goal even a 2-1 win gets us to extra time at the very least. Madrid can score so long as we can score just 1 more

Pep is still at fault. We are seeing that at City, Ribery is 34 as well, there is no abracadabra that would change that. Ask Apoche cra cra whether Hummels was missed or not. I am stating facts. I have never said they influenced the outcome of the game

We lost to Atleti in the group stages. Wait till the second leg before passing judgement or at least be objective enough to admit Carlo has done no worse than Pep

Juve sans Tevez, Pirlo, Vidal. Clap for yourself

Did you expect Bayern to go unbeaten? Even in our treble year we lost to BATE Borisov. What is your fixation with freak results?

I have asked again delivering over what period? Against Swansea and West Ham? I can also say Joshua Kimmich has been instrumental. He has more goals than Jesus or Gundobelly

There is also nothing suggesting Cristiano Ronaldo would score any time he sets his foot on the pitch but you play him anyway so tell me more about disingenuous

Again no one is giving excuses. I am stating facts. Actually you and Fraudiola are the ones giving excuses. Telling stories that touch about Pep needing time for players to grab his formation and that Conte's formation is simpler blah blah blah blah blah blah

I am giving 360 degree insight on Pep's failure. He is 4th same as Pellegrini, he has the worst record as well. Any angle you wan look am Pep is a massive disappointment at City

You are equally fantasizing so don't get conservative on me. You can as well imagine a 4-0 win and not just 2-1.

How old is Pepe? 34 himself. Was he not missed? Varane? There is no possible spin to this even if Pauli was here to explain his exclusion principle. If Ribery is old use someone else and prove to be the better Tactician. After all, you have Douglas Costa.

LOL @ Done no worse. I have said ad nauseam that Ancelotti has lost the very same games you slaughtered Pep for. What else do you want me to say? Did I not say the tie was not over?

It is not about BATE BORISOV or AFC (2-0 in Munich). It is that Jupp won a treble ti tan. Now if Carlo does not win the UCL or get to the semis I would have to isolate individual games to judge him but it will be inconsequential if he eventually wins the UCL or gets past the semis. That way he would have done what Pep did not do. I hope you get the point. This is a big picture argument.

Joshua is fit so your using him as an example again fails. If at the time Joshua was in form he got injured, ehen, you can bring him into this. Gundogan and Jesus were playing well and scoring before they got injured. There should be an uppercase period placed here.

I am not the one giving excuses you are. Pep made those statements before the league began but even at that I have accepted he is a fraud. Now I want you to justify why a manager who is not a fraud is not outdoing the fraud. Simple.

LOL. Pellegrini had 3 seasons 1, 2, 4 were his league positions. Judge Pep after he has had the same 3. If we compare what Pep inherited and how City played in the previous season he is getting things fixed. But if we compare Carlo now to Pep either last season or for argument sake Pep's first, Pep is doing better except Carlo overturns the RM 1-2 first leg loss and wins the tie. Till then we wait.

Which is exactly what I came here to tell you.

A40:

Of course. We are talking about Real Madrid here.

That more than once abeg always add courtesy of Tom Henning Ovrebo

You are not ready to wait for 2nd leg yet you are telling me to wait for next season. Ogini na fio? And what if he fails to win the FA. Ohhh wait he's not a fraud because we should wait till next season, well what of he gets sacked? Well he's not a fraud he didn't finish the season.

Nope nobody said City had to get to the semis. You are imagining things. Beat the likes of Monaco is all we ask

Which poll rates Bayern over Madrid? Show me the Editor let me slap his face. Were you not here when Raumdeuter told a Chelsea fan to stake on Madrid

Who said Carlo couldn't lose at home to Madrid. Why is your imagination running wild like youths at Spring Break? Trawl the pre match posts and show where any Bayern fan said Carlo would never lose at home to Madrid.

Ohh I wish you would argue it. Let's see what you bring out that would top 3 stonewall penalties

Maybe for you. For me the sole prerequisite is beating Madrid, the defending champs and winners of 2 of the last 3 CLs

Ancelotti did both at Chelsea. Winning and beating everybody. Pep is languishing in 4th having accomplished nada. Isu no be cocoyam

It is down to a referees discretion. The red card was not dubious in any way shape or form, The Carvajal incident could also have been overlooked and no one would bat an eyelid but I have seen less given at Camp Nou and Heaven did not fall down.

Ribery was apologizing? In what language? English, French or Spanish

Speaking of languages how do you say Fraud in Catalan that's all I wanna know

I am not ready to wait for 2nd leg? Point at any statement of mine that alludes to that.

Beat the likes of Monaco? Should Bayern not beat the likes of ATM, RM and Rostov?

Lol don't bring Ramdeuter into this. Bayern were home 1, had the better run of form 2, and are better on Paper. Boateng and Javi are supposed to be better than Nacho and Sergio. Alaba and Marcelo cancel out. Lahm is better than Carvajal. Neuer is better than Navas. Alonso, Vidal and Alcantra are bettet than Casemiro, Modric and Kroos even if the margin is close. CR7, Bale and Benz match up evenly with Muller, Ribery and Robben based on current form and Bayern were home.

So the plethora of pundits were not wrong to give Bayern the 72-28 odds at Munich don't even go there.

Ancelotti did what at CFC? I told you why did you not add top 5? And why is it based on 1 season? If we can judge based on 1 season can I not judge based on 1 leg?

If it is down to the refs discretion then don't bring up Ovrebo. You see how those tortuous strings work? You beat what is given to you. I had a red card, away and I qualified yet you praise the ref when the red card was undeserved. But in your case you exonerate him. Still a nice distraction.

Pep is a fraud in catalan. I agree. But a non-fraud is not playing better and has lost more of the same games than the fraud. How do you reconcile it?

Ribery did not console Carvajal? If you did not see it, that is fine. But atleast you can see that Carlo lost a home game to RM and you claimed that had not happened till Pep.

Eruditor:

Before I respond to this it is not a Pep vs Ancelotti debate. You know this but want to keep detracting from the real gist because you know you have no defence for Carlo.

Again, Milan were at the end of an era but City are not at the end of the era that began with Mancini? I don't understand this level of double-standardness. Milan won the UCL only the year before but what about City and the EPL? 2 years before and their most recent run had them in 4th but you want to sell the false narrative that they should have consolidated on their semi-final place of the previous year. Sorry but this defies common sense.

Haba, Arsenal and City? I don't believe you asked this question. Arsenal FC is 15 times the club City hopes to be. When did City start appearing in the UCL that they would be anybody's mate? Wow, City is being compared with PSG just because Guardiola is there? Hmmm. SMH.

Don't worry about City beating Barca when Barca needed 0 points. Apart from being a barefaced lie, it has nothing to do with Carlo's work in Bayern. I mentioned it to show you what City never did before Pep. They have had other times in the past were even the type of moral victory you are hoping for Bayern would have sufficed but none came. As long as Barca fielded MSN and a full strength squad your argument is DOA.

You have raised an excuse for a team that just won a league title in CFC under Carlo but insist that a team that finished 2nd and 4th before Pep was not in decline again because of Pep. You are the one who is taking your anti-Pep bias to unseen heights and I don't know how else to show you the flaw in your reasoning.

CFC 1st 2009/10 3rd 2009/10 (unavoidable)
City 2nd 14/15 4th 15/16, 16/17 (should consolidate on semis, beat all teams, win 38 games, finish 1st.)

When you were reeling off heaviest defeat I hope you were not referring to in City's history or anything. Pellegrini lost 4-1 3 times to Spurs and LFC just the season before. In fact, I am getting distracted by all these things as it has nothing to do with Carlo. Carlo had 2 seasons in CFC so to compare him to Pep I have to wait for Peps second. It is not rocket science. Carlo chopped steady Ls himself in his second season to AFC, LFC, United and co. Just wait for the second season and focus on his first season at Bayern.


Jeez what does Lehman have to do with the 2-0 at San Siro? Is that not the game Milan lost? Try again.

I said Ajax lacked experience COMPARED to Milan just like you w anted to argue Monaco lacked experience compared to City. Try again....again.

Since who is blaming coaches? You brought up Iniesta on your own. You have brought up Kolariv now on your own even when it adds nothing to what is being discussed. If Carlo is better than Pep inBayern why did he not rest his 30 year olds against Dortmund so they would be fresh and produce their genius in a span longer than 3 days? Is that not what I have been asking?

Where did I say it was a Carlo vs Pep debate? Why would I try to convince a Barca fan that Fraudiola is not the best thing since Jameson and Sprite

Haha now you are being clever by half. Who did Milan add to their squad let's compare that with City. You think you are arguing with your maiguard

15 times? Why not 1,500. Hahaha I go die oh! You mean Arsenal the laughing stock of England. When did Chelsea start playing in the Champions League. Na by that one? Give a definite reason why PSG is a cut above City in 2017

Why are you bringing up irrelevant group stage results. City didn't even finish ahead of Barca so what improvement are you talking about. Be consistent brah. Who is hoping for moral victories where I talk that one? Ye ma paro mo mi mehn

What are you chatting about? What has Pep done to arrest the decline you speak of despite freshening up the squad. Were Chelsea on the up when Carlo took over? Yet he won the league buying Ramires. Ramires FFS!

Pep bought Stones, Bravo, Gundogan, Nolito, Sane, Jesus. Met KDB, Sterling. City is still 4th and got knocked out by Monaco and you are still claiming he has improved City. Are you hearing yourself at all?

I meant Pep individually took his worst L in England

You want us to ignore Lehmann who did his job by keeping a clean sheet in the first leg. Nehi nehi

You are gleefully judging Carlo after 1 leg but we can't judge Pep who has had a mediocre season thus far. Lewl

Ajax had players with World Cup experience, CL experience and players that had won TITLES at AJAX. Whether Ajax lacked experience is immaterial

You claimed Enrique is using Iniesta wrong. I am telling you Kolarov was also being used wrong.

Dortmund not Ingolstadt. Costa has been out for weeks, Coman has not been up to scratch as any Bayern fan can attest. Stating facts

Eruditor:


I am not ready to wait for 2nd leg? Point at any statement of mine that alludes to that.

Beat the likes of Monaco? Should Bayern not beat the likes of ATM, RM and Rostov?

Lol don't bring Ramdeuter into this. Bayern were home 1, had the better run of form 2, and are better on Paper. Boateng and Javi are supposed to be better than Nacho and Sergio. Alaba and Marcelo cancel out. Lahm is better than Carvajal. Neuer is better than Navas. Alonso, Vidal and Alcantra are bettet than Casemiro, Modric and Kroos even if the margin is close. CR7, Bale and Benz match up evenly with Muller, Ribery and Robben based on current form and Bayern were home.

So the plethora of pundits were not wrong to give Bayern the 72-28 odds at Munich don't even go there.

Ancelotti did what at CFC? I told you why did you not add top 5? And why is it based on 1 season? If we can judge based on 1 season can I not judge based on 1 leg?

If it is down to the refs discretion then don't bring up Ovrebo. You see how those tortuous strings work? You beat what is given to you. I had a red card, away and I qualified yet you praise the ref when the red card was undeserved. But in your case you exonerate him. Still a nice distraction.

Pep is a fraud in catalan. I agree. But a non-fraud is not playing better and has lost more of the same games than the fraud. How do you reconcile it?

Ribery did not console Carvajal? If you did not see it, that is fine. But atleast you can see that Carlo lost a home game to RM and you claimed that had not happened till Pep.

You are here genuflecting on the first leg loss when we are not even out of the tie yet. If Bayern advance won't you come here to tell us 'but Bayern lost in Munich'

We lost to BATE in our treble year. Maybe I used the wrong word. Eliminate. City should be eliminating Monaco. Happy?

I'm telling you the average Bayern fan did not share your confidence. Bayern were home? What does home and away have to do with teams like Bayern, Madrid, Barca? How is 35 year old Alonso and Vidal better than Modric and Kroos? What kind of dubious analysis is this.

Ribery, Robben and Müller matchup evenly with BBC. In what universe. Better run of form? Le le oh Chineke

You rely too much on punditry and it makes me wonder if you watch these games. Madrid topping La Liga. The toughest league in Europe? If pundits tell you to bleach shey you go bleach.

Ancelotti won the double in England in his debut season. Infact unless Pep wins the FA cup his debut season in England would have been a colossal disaster.

Of course you qualified. With the help of a despotic ref. Its not a coincidence that Ovrebo's career went to shyte after that game

How is consoling someone an admission of guilt? Are you some kind of Occupational Therapist. How do you know this.

What are you on about? Didn't we lose to Chelsea, Arsenal under Jupp? To City under Pep? Did anyone give him drama? Anybody can lose at home. Don't lose 4-0 is what we are saying

A40:

Where did I say it was a Carlo vs Pep debate? Why would I try to convince a Barca fan that Fraudiola is not the best thing since Jameson and Sprite

Haha now you are being clever by half. Who did Milan add to their squad let's compare that with City. You think you are arguing with your maiguard

15 times? Why not 1,500. Hahaha I go die oh! You mean Arsenal the laughing stock of England. When did Chelsea start playing in the Champions League. Na by that one? Give a definite reason why PSG is a cut above City in 2017

Why are you bringing up irrelevant group stage results. City didn't even finish ahead of Barca so what improvement are you talking about. Be consistent brah. Who is hoping for moral victories where I talk that one? Ye ma paro mo mi mehn

What are you chatting about? What has Pep done to arrest the decline you speak of despite freshening up the squad. Were Chelsea on the up when Carlo took over? Yet he won the league buying Ramires. Ramires FFS!

Pep bought Stones, Bravo, Gundogan, Nolito, Sane, Jesus. Met KDB, Sterling. City is still 4th and got knocked out by Monaco and you are still claiming he has improved City. Are you hearing yourself at all?

I meant Pep individually took his worst L in England

You want us to ignore Lehmann who did his job by keeping a clean sheet in the first leg. Nehi nehi

You are gleefully judging Carlo after 1 leg but we can't judge Pep who has had a mediocre season thus far. Lewl

Ajax had players with World Cup experience, CL experience and players that had won TITLES at AJAX. Whether Ajax lacked experience is immaterial

You claimed Enrique is using Iniesta wrong. I am telling you Kolarov was also being used wrong.

Dortmund not Ingolstadt. Costa has been out for weeks, Coman has not been up to scratch as any Bayern fan can attest. Stating facts

I already accepted that Pep is a fraud who messed things up in Bayern. I am now asking you if Carlo is one too because he is not outdoing Pep.

All those comments about maiguard are unnecessary because this is not airmark arguing with you. Apart from the question about who Milan added being pleonastic to the discourse, it will not make your case for you as they had won the UCL only the season before. But for Pete's sake they added Pato, Emerson, Aubemayang these names I reeled off the top. I am sure they got a defender or 2. So if you are going to excuse them again you can not with a straight face make a case against City.

CFC just became elite like 4 seasons ago. That is when they started getting into top draws in the UCL. I cannot talk about AFC as you would know about their reputation considering you used to be a fan. What I won't do though is debate City vs PSG as I am sure you know better and are only trolling. But let me again assume you are not joking: PSG are the Manchester United of France; most successful in trophies. So are you still asking me how City measures up with them in terms of pedigree? They have won more trophies than City from last 3 years into 2017. They have played more UCL games and won more in the same time span. They have scored more goals, and gotten to more KO rounds than City. City is like Leicester to them. Let me stop here.

Irrelevant group stage result? Beating Barca? Needing the win to qualify for the next stage? Hahahaha.

Did City not sign Mangala, Otamendi, Bony, KDB, Sterling etc before? Why did Pellegrini finish 4th with lower points than Pep? If you do not see the work he has begun in City that is fine. He is a fraud. Ancelotti in Bayern is not doing any better. He won with Ramirez? Ok. He got sacked too with Ramirez but this is not about Carlo in CFC. What has he done to Bayern? Answer on marble.

No Pep lost 4-0 in Munchen. Also lost 4-1 to Wolfsburg. Lost 4-0 to Barca with City too. All distractions. Pep is a fraud. How is Carlo the non-fraud doing?

I mentioned a game to show you a relatively inexperienced Arsenal side beat Milan 2-0 in San Siro. You mention Lehman. I remind you Lehman did not play in San siro then you say I want you to ignore the Emirates game when I had already told you Arsenal did not win that game. They won in San siro. So try again mate.

No I am not judging Carlo after one game. I have consistently told you I like him and want him to atleast beat RM (for obvious reasons). My problem is when Pep lost the same game you blamed him solely for it but now that Carlo has lost at the Allianz, you are making excuses for him. That is my grouse. It is with each excuse you raise that it now appears I am judging Carlo when I am not.

Whether Ajax lacked experience is immaterial? Good. Whether Monaco lacked experience is immaterial too. Now let us go back to Carlo and Bayern.

LOL abeg wetin concern Kolarov concern anything? You wanted to justify how aged players can falter and you sited Iniesta. I simply told you that Iniesta can still produce more if utilised properly. I do not know how Kolarov got into this. If Ribery and Robben did not perform against RM - IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF THEIR AGE. That is the point I am making. You ought to agree that Carlo did not utilise them well. That is exactly what you would have said about Pep. I am surprised you are still not getting it.

I remember when you said Pep hurt Gotze's career and your fellow Bayern fan had to point out that Gotze was not used by Carlo and how he has not set the world on fire in Dortmund. I also remember how someone had to show you that Kimmich was Pep's creation. How Boateng, Muller, Costa, Coman have all dropped form under Carlo. How Bayern have scored less goals and lost more.

So as you can see, I am here to remind you again that when RM beat Pep and Bayern 4-0 I came here to tell you things went uncontrollably wrong and that it was not his fault. If you go online, you would see an excerpt from a book written about Pep's time in Bayern especially against RM. How the setpieces hurt but more so, how he let the players do what they wanted in the 2nd leg. How he defended them and took the blame (even when he knew he planned to use 3-4-3 on the day and they had trained with it, but they wanted to try out the Jupp way so he let them and it backfired etc). You wanted to hear nothing of it. You said Carlo would have done better and not lost ahome to RM. So I am here to show you Carlo lost ahome to RM.

Let us get things into perspective because I don't want to veer off any more into City and Barca etc. Just limit it to Carlo's time in Bayern. Thanks.

A40:


You are here genuflecting on the first leg loss when we are not even out of the tie yet. If Bayern advance won't you come here to tell us 'but Bayern lost in Munich'

We lost to BATE in our treble year. Maybe I used the wrong word. Eliminate. City should be eliminating Monaco. Happy?

I'm telling you the average Bayern fan did not share your confidence. Bayern were home? What does home and away have to do with teams like Bayern, Madrid, Barca? How is 35 year old Alonso and Vidal better than Modric and Kroos? What kind of dubious analysis is this.

Ribery, Robben and Müller matchup evenly with BBC. In what universe. Better run of form? Le le oh Chineke

You rely too much on punditry and it makes me wonder if you watch these games. Madrid topping La Liga. The toughest league in Europe? If pundits tell you to bleach shey you go bleach.

Ancelotti won the double in England in his debut season. Infact unless Pep wins the FA cup his debut season in England would have been a colossal disaster.

Of course you qualified. With the help of a despotic ref. Its not a coincidence that Ovrebo's career went to shyte after that game

How is consoling someone an admission of guilt? Are you some kind of Occupational Therapist. How do you know this.

What are you on about? Didn't we lose to Chelsea, Arsenal under Jupp? To City under Pep? Did anyone give him drama? Anybody can lose at home. Don't lose 4-0 is what we are saying

Did you lose to City ahome? No. That 3-2 was away after you led 2-0 and then got the red card. That is why YOU pardoned him. Besides you had qualified and City had not. I have made my point clear about BATE BORISOV and co. The only thing I will touch here is the BBC and Alonso etc debate.

Yes Alonso, Vidal, Thiago are better than Casemiro, Kroos and Modric. Now because you lost you won't see it but when you were spinning them dizzy with sleek passes first half and dominating the midfield you did not see that those kids of Madrid were the sons of the Bayern midfield. So much so that Zidane made CR7 and Bale sit deep to help weather the storm.

As per BBC and Robben, Ribery and Muller I stand by what I said. BBC have not exactly been in form. They could not beat Dortmund and the Bayern trio made light work of Dortmund. CR7 is not much of a winger anymore and what exactly did Bale do all game except Mark Ribery?

This is not just about referencing pundits. I watch games deeply especially when I am interested in the outcome. Alonso maybe 35 years old but he never played football by running up and down so his age does not matter except someone pacy was trying to run past him. Vidal is a B2B midfielder and he frustrated Casemiro in the first half. Thiago Alcantra has been a revelation not only this season but even before barring injuries. He was swallowing Kroos in the first half.

Kroos, Modric and Casemiro came into the fray in the 2nd half and Kroos said why: "we noticed that Bayern don't press you all game like they used to under Pep". That was why they could overwhelm Bayern and then Javi picked the red card which showed that Carlo had no plan B.

Eruditor:


Did you lose to City ahome? No. That 3-2 was away after you led 2-0 and then got the red card. That is why YOU pardoned him. Besides you had qualified and City had not. I have made my point clear about BATE BORISOV and co. The only thing I will touch here is the BBC and Alonso etc debate.

Yes Alonso, Vidal, Thiago are better than Casemiro, Kroos and Modric. Now because you lost you won't see it but when you were spinning them dizzy with sleek passes first half and dominating the midfield you did not see that those kids of Madrid were the sons of the Bayern midfield. So much so that Zidane made CR7 and Bale sit deep to help weather the storm.

As per BBC and Robben, Ribery and Muller I stand by what I said. BBC have not exactly been in form. They could not beat Dortmund and the Bayern trio made light work of Dortmund. CR7 is not much of a winger anymore and what exactly did Bale do all game except Mark Ribery?

This is not just about referencing pundits. I watch games deeply especially when I am interested in the outcome. Alonso maybe 35 years old but he never played football by running up and down so his age does not matter except someone pacy was trying to run past him. Vidal is a B2B midfielder and he frustrated Casemiro in the first half. Thiago Alcantra has been a revelation not only this season but even before barring injuries. He was swallowing Kroos in the first half.

Kroos, Modric and Casemiro came into the fray in the 2nd half and Kroos said why: "we noticed that Bayern don't press you all game like they used to under Pep". That was why they could overwhelm Bayern and then Javi picked the red card which showed that Carlo had no plan B.

and why was Muller and Alonso taken off?

Vidal too was misbehaving

purplekayc:
and why was Muller and Alonso taken off?

Vidal too was misbehaving

Muller is not an out and out striker. He plays better off a target man or from the wide as a wing forward. After the red card, Muller had no chance of helping his team as his positioning was not following what was expected of a target man in that sort of game. That is why I agreed Bayern missed Lewa. In the game, at some point, Sergio Ramos asked Marcelo and Carvajal to move forward and join the attack. He felt himself and Nacho could handle everything because Muller kept dropping deep or coming forward and being isolated. Bayern started depending on Robben for the attack.

As Madrid midfield got more confident and moved up, Alonso became a weaklink because of his lack of pace and defensive frailties. Carlo feared he would get a silly yellow trying to hold unto Modric who started getting in his element.

Vidal is erratic. What makes him great makes him silly.